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Originally Posted by cdnmatt
I have no idea
the rest of your post supports this so you should have just stopped there
I know it is still considered perfectly reasonable for Internet startups to have no idea about their real target market and even less idea of how to build a revenue stream from that target market but give me a break - a high quality web site with the combined features of facebook and Ashley Madison but just for gay Thailand that is going to drive its membership by spamming pickup apps and get its revenue from other dating web sites beating down its door wanting to advertise?
one thing you are right about is it is a massive project that is never going to be achieved by some "expert"/wanker in Nakhon Nowhere after buying the software scraps and handful of eyeballs from Sawatdee Network with his life savings
the gay market is fragmented and complex in most countries and both experienced old media (print/TV) and new media (web) companies still have problems understanding and surviving in this market segment let alone Internet startups with their head in the clouds (or usually the "cloud")
the Thai gay market is even more fragmented and complicated and then there are the language issues etc ... you just need to look at the casualties in the mainstream print media, the freebie print media and web sites over the last few years - but not just in Thailand, pick any other SE Asian or other Asian country
if you really want to address "all things gay in Thailand" you are going to need significant resources, skills and capital and it is still doubtful that the revenue stream will ever be there to justify the investment, else stick to tightly focused sites that require limited resources and can survive on limited revenue or just play at the hobby level like many sites do now - not just the English language forums!
bkkguy
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Originally Posted by scottish-guy
Ah well Lego, it must be great to know everything.
That's not at all how I meant it. After you've lived and worked in Thailand for some years, you simply know more - not everything - about local laws and customs than your typical visitor. That's why it's unlikely that i would walk into a defamation trap. Getting scammed could happen to me, too, but maybe it would be more likely to happen in Malaysia or in Vietnam, where I only travel occasionally and don't know a lot.
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That said, a board focussing on all things gay in Thailand really ought to have a much, much larger market. No-one yet seems to know how to achieve that!
Where's the successful board focussing on all things gay in America or the UK? For the younger generation, there's less-and-less of a gay/straight divide, they don't base their whole identity on being gay. It's only niche pursuits that aren't addressed by mainstream media sites, for example the gay sex industry that now drives traffic to boards such as this. The average lgbt tourist to Thailand is more likely to simply flick through the latest online copy of Thai Puan http://www.thaipuan.com/ and be good to go, rather than ask questions or dig through posts on a forum.
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Were this my board, which it isn't and nor will it ever be, but. I would simplify it right down to two forums. Thailand and everything else. Too many forums means interesting things get missed and are therefore less likely to be posted on. Indeed I myself have posted some Nobel standard writings on some of the less visited forums and thought is it really worth the effort considering how few actually read it.
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As topics in The main forum on Thailand almost alway meander to content other than Thailand why not just have the 1 main forum?
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MFAS: Personally I think we need/like a forum just devoted to Thailand but we also want one to talk about all the other stuff. For example Scottish and I need somewhere to continue throwing saucepans at each other.
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Arsenal why not do it in the main arena if one is not interested they needn't look!
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Originally Posted by bkkguy
if you really want to address "all things gay in Thailand" you are going to need significant resources, skills and capital and it is still doubtful that the revenue stream will ever be there to justify the investment, else stick to tightly focused sites that require limited resources and can survive on limited revenue or just play at the hobby level like many sites do now - not just the English language forums!
Isn't that basically exactly what I said? It's a massive project, would also be a huge gamble, and not one I'm interested in. Nonetheless, the current membership of this board is dieing off (literally), so unless it's revamped to somehow attract a broader audience, it's most likely going to be offline within 24 months. Simple as that.
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Were this my board, which it isn't and nor will it ever be, but. I would simplify it right down to two forums. Thailand and everything else. Too many forums means interesting things get missed and are therefore less likely to be posted on.
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As topics in The main forum on Thailand almost alway meander to content other than Thailand why not just have the 1 main forum?
I agree totally with both of you and others that have suggesting this for some time
Why do we need a listing for gay romeo Why not keep it as another thread in Thailand
Two threads and one for the political rubbish for those who need it.
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Two threads and one for the political rubbish for those who need it.
I've always been in favour of several threads. There are readers - those living here as well as visitors - who like/want to travel to other parts of S. E. Asia, for example, and who appreciate othersтАЩ experiences. Having to wade through a host of Thailand posts to try and find the latest info on Myanmar or Vietnam etc. might be a turn-off. And even though existing boards have search boxes, they do not always seem to throw up precisely what one is looking for.
On the other hand, the title of the site makes it is clear it is about Thailand. So perhaps info on neighbouring countries could be seen to loosen that focus. Yet it does seem that the more you focus exclusively on Thailand gay issues, the less attractive the Board becomes to possible new members. To stay alive and relevant and at the same time maintain the sense of camaraderie that Scottish mentioned, surely a Board surely has to be open to as wide a range of topics as possible in as readable a format as possible.
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the current membership of this board is dieing off (literally), so unless it's revamped to somehow attract a broader audience, it's most likely going to be offline within 24 months. Simple as that.
I am sure others believe this is the root of internet Board problems. Unless the list of active posters can somehow be increased, is there a future? As Tobi pointed out, the average lgbt tourist nowadays is unlikely to go through a site like this. They have so many other more targetted info sources. They are also certainly likely to be younger and increasingly far more likely to be Asian than the existing readership. Leaving aside the cameraderie issue, has this Board ever had an Asian member? gaythailand has just one, I believe, and he posts only very occasionally. Earlier I mentioned the Singapore blowingwind site. Its Traveller section has a huge 96 pages on Bangkok alone with some very detailed info on gay places, and a further 3 on Chiang Mai. Frankly, it has more info for the gay traveller - understandably the younger gay traveller - than any of the existing Thailand-based forums. Most there speak good English. Shouldn't at least some of these Asian tourists who often come here two or three times a year be part of Sawadee's target market? I believe that makes sense. But how then does an existing Board like this maintain its sense of camaraderie without alienating potential new members who feel they won't fit in?
I wish I had some answers!
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Frankly, it has more info for the gay traveller - understandably the younger gay traveller - than any of the existing Thailand-based forums.
There's the difference. Both boards cater to a totally different demographic; this one to the...errr.....more experienced gay man and tends to focus on paid sexual encounters. Hence, we have posts here about tips and where to find money boys.
The boards catering to a younger crowd are all about where to meet sexual partners where no money changes hands.
There will always be plenty of guys who find they are at an age now where they have to pay. We all reach that stage sooner or later. And I think this board caters pretty well for them. So I don't see the demise of this board in the near future. Older members die off but there are lots of guys coming up behind them to take their place.
The board just needs to find an avenue where it can advertise to these older guys. That's the only way membership will increase.
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Older members die off but there are lots of guys coming up behind them to take their place.
I'm not sure there are lots of guys coming... !!
It's only an impression on my part gleaned from a small number of guys in their 50-60's but the visible sex industry in places like Thailand appears to be irrelevant to them. This also seems to be just as true for the straight girlie bars too, there are just so many alternatives nowadays for those who wish to pay-to-play, across a multitude of other countries. I'm afraid that Thailand no longer appears to be leading the pack of gay-friendly places to visit either and the sex industry certainly isn't dirt cheap for those on a tight budget as from my own limited experience the cost of offing a boy from a Bangkok bar can easily reach $100+ in total and escort services are charging 8,000-10,000 Baht for an overnight.
I also believe app and website freelancing are vastly preferred by the majority of working boys and girls instead of being enslaved to a bar, club or brothel. It leaves them fully independent and in control of their working day-or-night, able to pick-and-choose their clientele, and grants them a much higher degree of anonymity.
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. . . The board just needs to find an avenue where it can advertise to these older guys. That's the only way membership will increase.
I wholeheartedly agree with your comment above a447.
What about advertising Sawatdee Network in the local Thai gay magazines? Did Neal try this? IтАЩm not entirely sure, I have a vague memory that he may have advertised in foreign gay magazines.
In my case, I had been travelling to Thailand for 4 or 5 years before I was even aware of this forumтАЩs existence. A friend sent me a link, and after about a year of being a reader, I joined what was then SGT and became a member.
When IтАЩm out and about in Bangkok, Silom Soi 4, or Soi Twilight, I always see many fa-r├аng in my age group. But, given how few Bangkok members we have, and even allowing for visitors from Pattaya, the vast majority of the English speaking westerners I see, clearly do not post here. Like me in years gone by, I wonder if they are even aware of Sawatdee Network. It is possible that there is a an untapped group of potential new members right here on our own doorstep, so to speak, waiting to be enticed to join we few, we happy few, we band of brothers. ;)
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I also believe app and website freelancing are vastly preferred by the majority of working boys and girls instead of being enslaved to a bar, club or brothel. It leaves them fully independent and in control of their working day-or-night, able to pick-and-choose their clientele, and grants them a much higher degree of anonymity.
Talking of boys тАЬfreelancingтАЭ or even moonlighting, I met a Thai guy off PlanetRomeo last night. I was surprised to learn that he worked in one of the тАШSoi TwilightтАЩ bars. Why, I asked, was he on Planet Romeo? He explained that many of the Chinese or other Asian customers who visit his bar, are more interested in watching the show than offing the boys, so heтАЩs not making a lot of money from working in the bar. Well that suited me perfectly, because IтАЩm not really interested in watching the shows any more, IтАЩve seen them a 100 times before. And, I didnтАЩt have to buy two costly drinks and pay an off fee to meet my visitor. The boy also benefited financially and, because I saw him early in the evening, he was able to go off to work in his bar and not be penalised for turning up late and still, potentially, meet another customer.
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Change the name of the Forum! Sawatdee Network is meaningless. Try Gay Network Thailand or Gay Sawatdee Thailand, or something similar with words such as Gay, Thailand, etc. Sawatdee means nothing to the first timer and Network sounds like a TV station or computer shop.
When doing a google search for gay thailand the first site that pops up is gaythailand.com. Gotta give Michael for creativity.
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Yes, i agree; the name is meaningless and doesn't suggest anything gay.
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Originally Posted by a447
There's the difference. Both boards cater to a totally different demographic; this one to the...errr.....more experienced gay man and tends to focus on paid sexual encounters. Hence, we have posts here about tips and where to find money boys.
The boards catering to a younger crowd are all about where to meet sexual partners where no money changes hands . . .
The board just needs to find an avenue where it can advertise to these older guys. That's the only way membership will increase.
I entirely agree with the first comment. But can any one Board continue with the past policy of catering almost exclusively to those in the older age bracket seeking paid sex? Is there no way to go some way to marrying the needs of existing members with the desires of new and younger ones? I am with those who believe the nature of the market in Thailand is now changing quite rapidly, only in part due to the social networking sites. The boy Jellybean met is correct when he says the new Asian customers in the bars mostly want to watch, not off. And that I think is one reason why drink prices in such establishments have been escalating rapidly.
And although Jellybean says he agrees with A447's comments, I suggest his point about the Gay Romeo boy somewhat negates that view. Gay Romeo caters for hook-ups. This Board doesn't!
As for those already living in Thailand not being aware of this Board, my own view is they are probably not many. There are two guys around my age living in my building. I recently asked if they read any of the Boards. They told me they did before they moved here some years ago but soon after they gave up. They said they find what they want from word of mouth or other sources. So I really cannot see how the membership can be expanded from that particular source.
Lastly, I also agree wholeheartedly about the site name. Sawatdee Network doesn't even imply what it is or used to be. With all respect to Surfcrest, nothing about the name suggests it is the place to find out about things gay in Thailand.
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I met a Thai guy off PlanetRomeo last night. I was surprised to learn that he worked in one of the тАШSoi TwilightтАЩ bars.
I found quite a few bars had freelancers hanging about, no doubt they're also on Planet Romeo or similar. I didn't think to check at the time. I also found the escort services seemed to have a monopoly on the real stunners, both male and female, although that might have been something of a fluke.
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The boy Jellybean met is correct when he says the new Asian customers in the bars mostly want to watch, not off. And that I think is one reason why drink prices in such establishments have been escalating rapidly.
It goes back to what I said earlier about red light districts becoming tourist attractions, the same is true in the Netherlands and Germany according to their local media, a visit is now just seen as a slightly risque stop on the average traveller's itinerary.
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I am sure others believe this is the root of internet Board problems.
It is. People these days are looking for a) real-time communication with those of the same interests, and b) real-time information at their fingertips, not sifting through tons of threads. That's why forums such as this are dying. It's not just SGT, but majority of forums of this format are dying a slow death, or at least are slowing down. SGT is a bit of an anonalmy though, due to the general age of its membership (ie. retired folks).
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This is my point in reducing the number of forums. It's likely to become a 24 hour conversation place with Thailand as the main draw but a variety of other topics all trundling along simultaneously.
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Just go back to "Sawadtee Gay".....ever think of creating an app ?
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I only log-in here to check if there is any news about Pattaya , new bars etc, and other information .
The rest is focused on a few members arguing about silly things . Yes, this is a stoneage board and will probably die on its own sooner or later.
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Given that you've made THREE HUNDRED AND SIXTY posts, reasonable people would assume you find this forum at least somewhat interesting.
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I believe Loke is more at home in the sanctuary where the "Fist" reigns; you can even get recipes there!
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Given that you've made THREE HUNDRED AND SIXTY posts, reasonable people would assume you find this forum at least somewhat interesting.
Out of curiosity, I checked the posting list on the members site. Seems there are approx. 790 actual members of which 26 have made more than 1,000 posts and a further 141 have made more than 100 posts. (This excludes 6 deceased members but includes the largest poster of all - Beachlover with over 5,000!) Given that many of the remainder made less than 10 posts and many have not posted for over a year, the posting membership is somewhere around 167.
Much more worrying for the future, I suggest, if that roughly half the membership joined 5 or less years ago. Of these, four have made more than 1,000 posts ( believe two had returned after an absence) and only about 23 more than 100. The remainder are mostly either in single digits or have made no posts.
Assuming the figures on the membership page are accurate, the site is definitely being carried by long-term posters. For whatever reason, the vast majority of those who joined since January 2011 are not finding reasons to post. That surely is not a good omen for the future.
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' ... Seems there are approx. 790 actual members of which 26 have made more than 1,000 posts and a further 141 have made more than 100 posts. (This excludes 5 deceased members but includes the largest poster of all - Beachlover with over 5,000!)
Nothing to do with the actual topic of this thread [pardon me] but does anyone on this board have any clue what happened to Beachlover.
His last post was almost two years ago now [March 1, 2014]. This quote below was his last post; short and sweet -- not normally Beachlover's MO, he was a mouthy bugger -- and certainly not a post containing any drama. A tiny bit of funny insult to Brisbane but not enough to send him off a cliff.
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Frankly I never go and visit the peasants in my own country and I have no desire to do so in someone else.
Mate, I think you ARE one of the peasants in your own country... hahahahaha.
Shirley someone has a clue to this minor mystery.
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Who knows, maybe even the honorable Beachlover was in attendance.
No. I wasn't. :P
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Is the join date accurate? I think I've been posting here longer than the stats say. I for one hope this board stays around, even though I don't post much anymore.
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Nothing to do with the actual topic of this thread [pardon me] but does anyone on this board have any clue what happened to Beachlover
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what I see is a bunch of 60yo+ farangs obsessing and fretting over a dynamic young guy who gets their hearts racing. :P
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One thing I'm finding more and more spending more time in the higher end 5-star hotels (as opposed to the lower end of the 5 star range) is they tend to give you the minibar for free, or at least soft drinks and beers. I think it's cool!
I don't get through much, but it's nice to know it's there. And cool to offer friends a drink when they visit.
The other thing I'm liking more often is having a Nespresso machine in my room. I love that! The next best thing is having a butler service with free tea/coffee any time.
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http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y69...vieandBute.jpg
In my opinion, the demographic coming to Thailand has changed and we haven't caught up. The older guys that are coming to Thailand to enjoy the fruits of the commercial industry are in decline. As Thailand modernizes, fewer Thais are participating in the commercial industry and more Thais through social media are aware of that aspect of their country's business and the negative attitudes associated with it. Someone may have been able to leave their village, be a barboy and not be found out...but I suspect that's not so easy anymore, hence the increase in foreigners from neighbouring countries in the business, replacing the Thais.
When I first came to Thailand in the early nineties, most of the people I met here and became friends with were American. When I first bought into the Jomtiem Complex, most of the residents in my building were Italian. Over the years, through the political events that have happened...the Americans coming to Thailand have whittled away. I still have the same American friends in Thailand, but they are getting on in years now and are probably enjoying the sun and the sand more so than the boys anymore...so the topics here aren't always relevant. Most of the Italians in my building have been replaced by straight Scandanavians and there is a sharp increase in Thais owning AND staying here. The Gay beach isn't as gay as it once was and so the draw as a gay beach destination isn't really there anymore...especially with the amount of pollution in the water. Dontang Beach was a wild and crazy place...once upon a time! So was Pattaya...so was Thailand.
But it's not all doom and gloom...just the sunset of one era and the beginning of another. People still travel to Thailand and because of their income status, gay men love to travel and tend to spend quite a bit of money when they do. While us Canadians and Australians are struggling with a low dollar, the gay men with two incomes are still able to break through the cost barrier and travel, especially in pairs.
I live down in Vancouver's very gay neighbourhood, it's the place to live, not just because it's the most beautiful part of the City where all the beaches are, but because us gay people like to stick together. If it isn't hanging out together, eating in restaurants and sharing some drinks in the bars it's hanging out nearby to catch a glimpse of who's hot, or who's being towed around these days by who's hot. The need will always be there for us to be together because that's where the sex is and you never want to be far from the watering hole. (no pun intended...lol)
So gay men are traveling, they are traveling to Thailand...but this new generation of men coming may not be coming for the commercial scene. Probably about 9 out of 10 new members that take the time to register, have a look around...and we never see them again. The front page articles that we publish here promote all aspects of Thai tourism and attract interest, but it's not always interest that has them staying. It doesn't help that some of the front page widgets are not functioning anymore, giving the initial impression that the site isn't sharp and professional...as is expected these days with the amount of competition for people's attention. There are probably visitors that never even make it to the forum or who leave through exit links before exploring the whole site. The traffic on the Board is very different than the front end. It's two separate groups of readers and so the key is to capture that interest and to retain it.
Some of the conversations here have been about Forum reorganization. I've had several suggestions on Forum reorganization and I've done that many times...even recently by moving the Flaming Room, The Sunday Funnies and Thailand Resources out to the Shop. All of this is easy, but while doing one thing makes someone happy...it will be sure to make another unhappy. If you have something you want me to adjust, I can. The reality though is that I have bigger things to fix and I've never been here so many hours of the day lately...working towards that. I am starting to make some good progress finally on some of the technical things I'm working on.
I've had some good discussions with some members that have expressed interest in purchasing the site. As I said when I first started this thread, I wanted to put the idea out there for people to give some honest thought towards. I am going to continue working on improving the site, whether or not a sale happens in the near future or not. The site does indeed have a purpose, especially as world population grows, the one in ten factor applies and Thailand continues as a popular destination for tourists and expats in the world. If this site is going to continue to be meaningful in the landscape of Thailand and being Gay in Thailand...it needs to evolve with the demographic and that will continue to be the direction I take the site. My first priority is to reduce the monthly costs, updating the software and reintegrating the information better to make it more one site, than two ugly Siamese twins. :-B
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Nothing to do with the actual topic of this thread [pardon me] but does anyone on this board have any clue what happened to Beachlover.
Haven't you heard? He is all washed up. Somewhere in Australia I believe.
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' ... Haven't you heard? He is all washed up. Somewhere in Australia I believe. ... '
Nice beach. Spectacular wave motions. The blue/green water looks pristine, as does the stiff.
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' ... When I first came to Thailand in my early nineties ... Surfcrest. '
I've often wondered whether Surfcrest is older or younger than me [Canadians do that a lot], and now, exposed as a geezer.
No wonder the board is on it's last legs . . . the owner can't make it down the stairs to address the on-going mayhem.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/retailandconsumer/12127737/Travel-agency-for-gay-friendly-holidays-turns-over-1m-in-three-months.html
I'm curious - what is a gay-friendly flight? Cute all-male flight attendants and free trips to the crew rest area? How about the cockpit crew? I guess these could not include Qatar and Emirates, two of the best airlines in the world.
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I'm curious - what is a gay-friendly flight?
I'm not altogether sure, but assume it's airlines that won't have you arrested for holding hands or snuggling up to a same sex partner. I've never had any problems on Emirates whereas I was warned about flying Kuwait Airways by a crew member of BA, they even apparently ditched a route recently rather than allow Israelis on board. I'm sure some of the African airlines would be high risk in more ways than one.
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Is the join date accurate? I think I've been posting here longer than the stats say. I for one hope this board stays around, even though I don't post much anymore.
Join the club - I have been posting here FAR longer than the date given. The earliest of my posts I can find is from August 2008
In my case the discrepancy was due to being banned/deleted/excommunicated by the previous owner and when I came back, the deleted and re-registered "Scottish-Guy" identities could not be matched up
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Gay friendly flights. I agree with Tobi, what does that mean? Personally I can well do without any shenanigans of that nature while I'm locked in mortal combat with the Kevlar standard wrapping around the bread roll.
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Try Havana tour! http://youtu.be/F1Q2GNe91cw
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Guided tour!
Krazy Dragon (Dragon Loca Havana) https://youtu.be/SwFC9QKCzgw
[youtube:2mfridhd]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwFC9QKCzgw[/youtube:2mfridhd]
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Thanks for links, you've just reminded me I'm due a rematch of those great movies, although the down side of dating a younger Asian guy....I just said to him "ohhh we'll maybe watch The Godfather again tonight" only to get a "watch the WHO ?" as he had no idea what I was talking about :-( young people today, if it's not on an App they're not interested it seems :-( Philistines the lot of them ! :-)
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Do you actually make money on this board, or is it just, "Thank God I broke even this month!!".
I couldn't see anyone running this board who was not retired, so that counts me out.
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Never mind NIrish - I'll attend your "Whatever Happened to Baby Jane" movie night even if the twink/s wont.
I presume it'll be ratatouille for dinner?
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