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Word that I had a problem got back to the owner of one of the bars on the soi, who I had known for six months or so and considered a friend, and he appeared running down the soi whirling a sword above his head, which somewhat distracted the thugs.
LOL... Now there's a dramatic rescue.
I agree though... whilst Thais will be naturally biased towards other Thais... they will still judge their own kind and decide, which side to stand on accordingly. They are not that delusional that they would never see that a fellow-Thai has done something wrong/unethical... plenty of cases where Thais are ashamed at what a fellow Thai has done and tries to make up for it accordingly.
And likewise for farangs... I'm sure plenty of farangs have been somewhat embarrassed by their fellow countrymen.
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Originally Posted by Beachlover
I agree though... whilst Thais will be naturally biased towards other Thais... they will still judge their own kind and decide, which side to stand on accordingly. They are not that delusional that they would never see that a fellow-Thai has done something wrong/unethical... plenty of cases where Thais are ashamed at what a fellow Thai has done and tries to make up for it accordingly.
Agreed, BL.
Nobody here has suggested that you "cannot trust a thai person" or "that Thai people will always side with other Thai people regardless of circumstances". I cannot understand why someone would deliberately encourage others to "take the risks" when those risks are apparently as real as they are easily avoidable, but that is nothing new.
My point, which I thought was very clear, was two-fold. Firstly, that anyone saying that they can "take care of myself" was being dangerously delusional, particularly if they had been on the receiving end of direct threats of violence: if someone hits you on the back of the head with diec's baseball bat it doesn't matter whether you are a black belt 10th dan in origami or a computer nerd - you go down. Secondly, that the idea that "If worst ever comes to worst, I know enough Thais know to be comfortable with my own security" is equally stupid - they may or may not be there when a problem arises, and they may or may not take sides when weapons are involved, as they increasingly are and evidently were in past incidents involving Kim (Matt's bf). Taking anyone's assistance for granted, regardless of nationality, is simply naive.
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Gone Fishing
Thats two posts you have made in this thread, where I 100% agree with you.
I think I need to lay down :tard:
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Let's just cut through all of the flying shit here and reduce the problem presented that started this thread and the solution to the problem to a couple of sentences.
Anyone can can have a one time problem, but repeated same issue problems???? The author needs to get a mirror and stand in front of it until he figures out what he is doing wrong and commits to changing his behavior before he ends up dead in some alley.
In all of the years I have been coming here, staying here long time, riding a motor bike here, riding baht buses here, and generally fooling both day and night around in Pattaya I have never, never, never had a problem even close to the nature described. I do not know any one else who has had a problem as the author describes.
Wake up and change yourself before you are an article in the local news.
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i would say as of late, all i seem to hear is about falangs having problems with extortion, or nasty thai people knocking at their doors, whether it be by the mafia or pretend cops, these facts are then backed up by the falang disappearing & leaving all his stuff in his room/condo.
This always has something to do with the sunee bars, in the last few years i have notice a dramatic increase in these horror stories (true events), try to have fun whatever you like to do, but be care
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i would say as of late, all i seem to hear is about falangs having problems with extortion.....then...the falang disappearing & leaving all his stuff in his room/condo.....This always has something to do with the sunee bars...
You're right - when it has something to do with the Boyztown bars the falang leaves his fingers and money behind (allegedly).
:hello1: :hello1: :hello1:
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Re: How do you deal with extortionists?
Matt
Pace Brad, there's a difference between taking a risk and sticking your head in the mangle. There are reasons why all the old farts on here have grown old. One of them is we haven't got ourselves killed yet.
Once you've paid up to these people, it's very hard to break the cycle without making them lose face. If, for the sake of example, one of them has said to a friend "here comes Matt - he's always good for a thousand" and saunters up to you with his hand out, he can't walk away both without money and also without losing face - however you try to manage the refusal.
You mentioned a while back you and Kim were thinking of relocating to Khon Khaen. Now might be a good time to give it an extended trial.
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i would say as of late, all i seem to hear is about falangs having problems with extortion, or nasty thai people knocking at their doors, whether it be by the mafia or pretend cops, these facts are then backed up by the falang disappearing & leaving all his stuff in his room/condo.
This always has something to do with the sunee bars, in the last few years i have notice a dramatic increase in these horror stories (true events), try to have fun whatever you like to do, but be care
This always has to do with Sunee bars? And you have noticed a dramatic increase of horror stories? Funny this seems like typical bull shit that should be disregarded at once.
Last September English Bravo channel aired an eight hour documentary series called "Big Trouble in Thailand" and I do not recall a single horror story they filmed which had to do with Sunee. They had some really wild shit on that series too! Problems in Pattaya? Yes. No problems in Sunee. And these guys were out prowling around looking for horrors to film. What happened? The fact of the matter is that very few bad things ever happen in Sunee.
http://www.bravo.co.uk/shows/big-trouble-in-thailand/
As far as sex destinations go in the world today, Sunee is pretty mild. If you can't handle what goes on in Sunee, then you may as well pack it in and move to an uninhabited island or go live in a convent. That's my advice to the wusses here.
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You mentioned a while back you and Kim were thinking of relocating to Khon Khaen. Now might be a good time to give it an extended trial.
That's actually happening in a couple days. Due to the constant death threats from his ex-roommate, Kim's been back home for a little under three weeks. I stayed behind due to my work schedule, as I wanted to finish up a couple projects first, because I know I'm going to lose a week or two of work once I go there. That's why I've been posting like an erratic, drunken jackass lately. When I'm alone, extremely busy with work, with not much to look forward to, the whiskey tends to pour a little easier.
Things took a little longer than hoped, so Kim was going to come down a couple days ago, so we could be together. He's still in contact with the ex-roommate though, so for some stupid reason, actually told him that he was coming back to Pattaya for a bit. So sure enough, the death threats once again ensued, and now Kim can't come. So I'll finish up a bit of work, and head up there.
Let's just hope Kim is actually genuine, and my doubts are unfounded, as I've heard all the horror stories the same as you guys. If this isn't a genuine relationship, and Kim is just looking to take advantage of, and manipulate me, it's going to happen when I'm staying in his moobaan. If I had to bet on it, I'd say it's genuine, but I guess I'll find out in a few days. I hope I don't get hurt, because as you guys know, my heart's already pretty open to him. I'm pretty sure it will be fine though.
I'm not worried about the idiots in Sunee, and sorry about originally posting about it. I just assumed that most regulars to Sunee would have experienced similar, especially the ones who live in Pattaya. Or you probably have, but just aren't posting about it. The ex-roommate I am a bit worried about, and have no idea how to handle that one. He seems absolutely hell bent on ensuring Kim and myself break-up, and it's for no reason other than pure jealousy, He's just pissed that Kim showed up in Pattaya for a few weeks, and ended up with a quality farang who's willing to go into it for the long-run with him, while after years he's still stuck doing short-time's for 1000 baht.
I don't know, I guess time will tell. Pom mai luu, pom mai luu...
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You have doubts?... I hope they're unfounded.
Good luck with the move.
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You have doubts?
Of course. I'd be an idiot not to. Just like I'm almost certain he lays in bed every night before going to sleep, wondering whether or not what we have is actually real. Or if I'm just some jackass farang who has no qualms about picking up a new "boy friend" from Sunee every six months. The fact that we met in Pattaya, combined with the language barrier, tends to make relationships progress a little slower.
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I think we have been slow on the uptake on this one.A past poster stopped posting in febuary 2009 and cdnmatt started posting in july 2009. I'm supprised smiles didn't connect the 2. CDNMATT is our old friend BRANDON..It took a while brandon but you have been sussed. Did you ever buy that flash car? are your parents still sending you money ? Does Kim let you do it bareback ?
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LOL, no, I'm not "brandon", whoever that is. I'm just some guy looking to live his life the best he can, like everyone else out there. And if you really must know, no, we don't even to anal. He's constantly pushing for it, but I don't want it. You might not believe it, but not everyone out there is obsessed with sex to the point that it runs their lives.
Anyway, I've quite obviously over-stayed my welcome on this board, so I'm off. See you boys!
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LOL, no, I'm not "brandon", whoever that is.
Highly suspicious.
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Anyway, I've quite obviously over-stayed my welcome on this board, so I'm off. See you boys!
Not at all. Just make sure that your handle will always have seven characters. Your boys
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Oh door mat, what kind of idiots do you think we are? You're trying to tell us your little kimmey needs to be uprooted to a new place because he has an ex-room mate who is jealous of you and is threatening little kimmey's life because of it? You really should lay off the booze and head for an AA meeting.
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Due to the constant death threats from his ex-roommate, Kim's been back home for a little under three weeks.
Hi Matt
Before you leave - did it ever occur to you that this ex-roommate could actually be Kims other BF?
Or Ex-BF
In my experience most thai guys that share togther are usually getting it on some way... or have had it on together in the past
Usually these guys agree to help each other mutually - but now Kim has left this guy in the lurch - with bills to pay etc
This would explain why he is so pissed off
It might also explain why Kim is still in contact with this guy
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" ... I'm not worried about the idiots in Sunee, and sorry about originally posting about it. I just assumed that most regulars to Sunee would have experienced similar, especially the ones who live in Pattaya. Or you probably have, but just aren't posting about it. ... "
I'm very sorry that cdnmatt thinks it's necessary to leave Sawatdee because of a rough time in a thread. But, with the attitude in the quote above it was bound to happen.
Even with the huge majority of the replies centered around the very specific fact that they'd never ever experienced what cdnmatt has said he's experienced, cdnmatt still sticks to a kind of 'accusatory-ness' that we're all secretly bullshitting him.
For what motive? God knows there enough members on this Board who'd probably jump at the chance of publishing similar stories ... if they'd ever happened.
But no, our friend cdnmatt sticks to the ostrich position through it all. Then flies the coup.
Like I said, bound to happen sooner or later. There's but always Pattaya Passion.
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Then flies the coup.
That's COOP, dear. In any case, I hope we're all not fleeing the COUP within coming weeks.
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I think we have been slow on the uptake on this one.A past poster stopped posting in febuary 2009 and cdnmatt started posting in july 2009. I'm supprised smiles didn't connect the 2. CDNMATT is our old friend BRANDON..It took a while brandon but you have been sussed. Did you ever buy that flash car? are your parents still sending you money ? Does Kim let you do it bareback ?
Dude... you're taking the piss aren't you?
I don't see any link between Brandon and cdnmatt...
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I think we have been slow on the uptake on this one.A past poster stopped posting in febuary 2009 and cdnmatt started posting in july 2009. I'm supprised smiles didn't connect the 2. CDNMATT is our old friend BRANDON..It took a while brandon but you have been sussed. Did you ever buy that flash car? are your parents still sending you money ? Does Kim let you do it bareback ?
Dude... you're taking the piss aren't you?
I don't see any link between Brandon and cdnmatt...
Apparently it was especially suspicious that one poster stopped posting in "febuary" 2009 and another started in "july" 2009. WTF?
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I don't see any link between Brandon and cdnmatt...
What they shared in common was that they were both young and had a delusional sense of self-importance, much the same as you Beachlover.
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I would love to be accused of having a delusional sense of self importance... :-(
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I don't see any link between Brandon and cdnmatt...
What they shared in common was that they were both young and had a delusional sense of self-importance, much the same as you Beachlover.
Ah yes, the Fat Old Fart chorus about the young over the centuries!
"Far too young to have an opinion"
"Should be seen and not heard" or in the view of some of the posters here "Should be seen, drooled over, dribbled over, then despatched, but never heard"
If we have reached the point where any poster purporting to be young must be, ipso facto, the same person, then we are not far from the raving paranoia of Hedda, in that anyone disagreeing with her statements, must be the same person, as there could only be a maximum of one person who would contradict her!
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Anyway, I've quite obviously over-stayed my welcome on this board, so I'm off. See you boys!
I wonder if, following my direct and in-direct references to it, he ever read any of the threads I referred to on here concerning yaa-baa addicts, their behaviour, and the signs to watch out for - all of which (according to Matt's posts) Kim exhibits constantly and increasingly, as do his friends, and which would account for the particular problems referred to here.
If you are still there Matt, I have nothing apart from your posts on which to base that possibility but if you have not done so already you would be well advised to read them and to at least consider the possibility before you get seriously hurt (and I am not just talking about emotionally).
For the record, I think you are not only who you say you are, but also genuine, well-meaning and well-intentioned - just incredibly naive and rather unwilling to listen to advice even when you ask for it. Good luck - I think you are going to need it.
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[quote=Brad the Impala]
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I don't see any link between Brandon and cdnmatt...
What they shared in common was that they were both young and had a delusional sense of self-importance, much the same as you Beachlover.
Ah yes, the Fat Old Fart chorus about the young over the centuries!
"Far too young to have an opinion"
"Should be seen and not heard" or in the view of some of the posters here "Should be seen, drooled over, dribbled over, then despatched, but never heard"
If we have reached the point where any poster purporting to be young must be, ipso facto, the same person, then we are not far from the raving paranoia of Hedda, in that anyone disagreeing with her statements, must be the same person, as there could only be a maximum of one person who would contradict her![/quote:3ghrc6nv]
As eloquent a piece of projection as I have ever read Bradley, even for you.
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With all the multiple personality/ID fakers on the SGT board, I wish to reveal that I am actually Elvis Presley.
Obviously, my "death" was faked.
The Scottish-Guy monicker pays homage to the fact that the only time I set foot in the UK it was in Scotland.
I'm surprised none of you noticed before.
I thought I'd better own up as it is clearly only a matter of time before one of the drones circling Sunee Plaza catches me on film -
or alternatively, until one of the multitude of international detectives sitting around Sunee, sipping coffees and peering through cut-out holes in newspapers takes me into custody on a charge of possession of a fat belly.
Thankyouverymuch.
:hello1: :hello1:
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Originally Posted by Beachlover
I don't see any link between Brandon and cdnmatt...
What they shared in common was that they were both young and had a delusional sense of self-importance, much the same as you Beachlover.
But were they closeted employers of labourers on (wait for it, wait for it){drum roll} six figures?
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...we are not far from the raving paranoia of Hedda, in that anyone disagreeing with her statements, must be the same person, as there could only be a maximum of one person who would contradict her!
Is Fuck-Face Hedda re-born?
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Check your quote credits above copper... I didn't write the second quote.
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Check your quote credits above copper... I didn't write the second quote.
The proper use of the quote function is obviously beyond the old coot's mental capacity -- despite his claims of being an IT consultant and having a deep understanding how the internet works. Oh, yes -- same guy all right: who is the only other person we know who would take a small personal revelation and harp on it ad nauseum?
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[quote=Brad the Impala]
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I don't see any link between Brandon and cdnmatt...
What they shared in common was that they were both young and had a delusional sense of self-importance, much the same as you Beachlover.
Ah yes, the Fat Old Fart chorus about the young over the centuries! [/quote:3pu8u7wo]
Actually, some older people have this deluded sense of self importance as well... until they're walked over.
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Anyway, I've quite obviously over-stayed my welcome on this board, so I'm off. See you boys!
Cold turkey... I'm impressed.
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view of some of the posters here "Should be seen, drooled over, dribbled over, then despatched, but never heard"
Yep... drooling and dribbling... it's just what every boy wants lol.
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With all the multiple personality/ID fakers on the SGT board, I wish to reveal that I am actually Elvis Presley.
Obviously, my "death" was faked.
The Scottish-Guy monicker pays homage to the fact that the only time I set foot in the UK it was in Scotland.
I'm surprised none of you noticed before.
I thought I'd better own up as it is clearly only a matter of time before one of the drones circling Sunee Plaza catches me on film -
or alternatively, until one of the multitude of international detectives sitting around Sunee, sipping coffees and peering through cut-out holes in newspapers takes me into custody on a charge of possession of a fat belly.
Thankyouverymuch.
:hello1: :hello1:
It was so bleedin' obvious as not to be pass-remarkable. :occasion9:
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To scotch rumours that I am, in fact, Richey Edwards, I have decided to publish my photograph:
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Jacklipton wrote:
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I would love to be accused of having a delusional sense of self importance... :-(
Hilarious...55555. Spilled my coffee on that one.
Thanks Jack
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CDMATT ,I will be bluntly truthful to you,you suffer from low self confidence.
Just reading your posts on this board tells me you have low confidence to let people walk over you demanding you to give them money or they will box you?
Where is your Assertiveness?
Its like you are more confidant only when you have someone holding your hand all the time and you must seek assurances from strangers on this board.
For your own sake man,grow some balls,please.and thats not a put down.
Get some confidence,instead of sitting on your bum in bars,go and do some Muay Thai or boxing or ju jitsu lessons and get some self esteem.
are you scared to say no to them,are you not confident of your ability to fight back and defend yourself.
Is your personality passive? To be assertive you dont neeed to be aggressive.
These so called "tough Thais" are not so tough if they go to London,Sydney or New York,believe me theres tougher more evil guys there who would do them like a hot dinner.
Are they calling you bluff?
This morning at 11am I had a guy from the beach,took him to my room,30 minute service not so good,already agreed on 500 baht at the end he demanded a extra 200 baht,tall thai guy,tattoos etc,he sat on the bed refused to move,stood my ground,he got into his aggressive mode,i stood in my assertive mode but i was ready to defend myself if necessary,ihe stood up to me,i stood back to him ready to fight,he backed down,waiied me and left.
What do u do in your own City when strangers,druggies etc walk up to you and ask for money.
Im telling you this because its the truth,jeez mate,dont be a f......n walk over,grow some balls and get some RESILIENCE spend a week in Bangkok or New York,thinking for yourself and being independent instead of relying on other people to hold your hand.
Dont take it the wrong way,I dont want you to get upset but im telling you how I see you,something you dont want to know.
You should try driving a cab in New York City on the nightshift,this will raise your self confidence and resilience im sure.
Please think about seeing a Psychologist for assertiveness/resilience training and im not putting you down only trying to help you.
Where are you,I need 200 baht. :pop:
I AM YOUR GURU
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{edited by jinks.... Smiles and all - shout about it}
As I take a short break from my hectic day IT consulting in ... dammit, Fuck-Face, where am I this week? ... I can only say to you Beachlover that as you are such a pronounced admirer of the aforesaid Fuck-Face whose attention to detail and truth is non-existent, I thought you wouldn't mind.
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-- despite his claims of being an IT consultant and having a deep understanding how the internet works.
Your self-confessed fascination with concocting false profiles is so well-known the obvious conclusion is that this career change you have created for me is represented on some half-forgotten fictitious profile you created at some point in the past and have now confused in your own mind with something else altogether. It's of a parcel with your trawling of the social networking sites to find photographs supposedly of posters that you can then assert really are that person - if only you had the courage to post them. Ah, those Thai libel laws.
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Let me give you some real facts,
I love business and running businesses.
There are only several races that succeed mostly in business in Thailand.
They are Jewish,Cockney,Scottish and sometimes Russian.
The rest get walked over just as this man has been.
Remember be one step ahead of them ,try to learn Thai,it can be done,believe me,persistance.
There is a Jewish business book you should read on the internet.
PROUD TO BE JEWISH.
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{edited by jinks.... Smiles and all - shout about it}
As I take a short break from my hectic day IT consulting in ... dammit, Fuck-Face, where am I this week? ... I can only say to you Beachlover that as you are such a pronounced admirer of the aforesaid Fuck-Face whose attention to detail and truth is non-existent, I thought you wouldn't mind.
Right...would you mind correcting your post by removing my credits from that quote anyway?
I've no idea who hedda is or what it talks about.
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Right...would you mind correcting your post by removing my credits from that quote anyway?
What's in it for me?