That is certainly true. And I'll ask the same question I asked before - if a boy thinks he is worth 6000 baht, what is he planning to do to earn it?Quote:
Originally Posted by latintopxxx
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That is certainly true. And I'll ask the same question I asked before - if a boy thinks he is worth 6000 baht, what is he planning to do to earn it?Quote:
Originally Posted by latintopxxx
..only answer I would accept is if he is a stunner that he would promise me a fresh version of himself every afternoon for a week, ride him on day 1...after that he's supply me with a new one and take a cut...
Moonlight and Jupiter models are doing enough money from tips so I assume they won't bother to go with clients unless the fee is very high many clients there are from East Asia who don't have a problem to pay this amounts if they wish to get a boy from the bar. Personally I don't visit such upmarket bars because I am not willing to pay inflated fees and high price for drinks. It didn't happen to me but if a boy in apps ask me for 6k I wouldn't bother to reply and certainly a negotiation with him will be a waste of time.
Looking at what's been going on with Thailand's demographics over the past few years things like social inequality, limited income and low-quality education are discouraging Thais from having children - resulting in record low births where silver-hairs now account for nearly one fifth of the total population. What does this mean? It means there are fewer boys available to service the market that's dearest to our hearts with no signs of improving anytime soon.
This would account for the higher number of immigrants we see working the scene, as well as supporting other markets and industries. When I first moved to Bang Saray 6 years ago the fishing boats were filled with cute half-naked Thai boys manning the nets...mmmmmm. Now, the majority of deckhands are immigrant workers mostly from Laos and Cambodia. The boat owners say that Thai boys simply won't toil that hard for minimum wages any more. Go figure? Let's see...they have the choice of bouncing around at sea in a 100 year old wooden death-trap of a boat sleeping with smelly fish for 300 baht per day - or lounging around in a gay bar where they receive 1,500 baht for bouncing around in a soft bed with a not-so-smelly farang for an hour. I know which one I'd pick.
Maybe having fewer available boys to support the market over-time will have an impact on cost - but honestly, I don't believe we'll ever see anywhere near 6,000 baht in our lifetimes. Hell, the average short-time fee of 1,500 baht in Pattaya hasn't changed in the past 20 years that I can attest to - and I seriously doubt it will move too much in the future either.
6,000 baht??? Somebody's either smoking some really bad weed or some really good weed. One or the other.
I would, but only for the satisfaction of saying "Not no, but hell no!"Quote:
Originally Posted by BOY69
...and furthermore to dodgers post...we already have neighbouring "boys" replacing Thais in the oldest profession...not that I'd notice...but have been told...most working boys are from poorer neighbouring countries...
Certainly not. We had a polite chat before we got to the point. He was the one who raised the issue and asked for 6000 to meet. In hindsight, he even made the effort to online translate between English and Thai, some replies are clearly from translation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Patanawet
It's just that some boys, who appeared a few times in gay porn, think they are porn stars.
its also rather refreshing to get 1stb hand info from Dodger regarding the fishing boat staffing issues...too often its hearsay...now i may not be right but i get the impression that the lower class (and I mean that in a kind way) Thai culture turn a blind eye to the ways in which one has to earn a living, people back home in the god forsaken villages are happy to believe that "boy next door" is in Pattaya employed as a waiter...as long as the money keeps flowing back home...
6000 baht? He'd have to give me a life altering blow job while doing a head stand on a kitchen chair for that kind of money.
BCPFC
Believe that if you wish.
With some of the overweight, unclean and frightful-looking punters around Pattaya, I'm surprised the 6000 is not in US Dollars.
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The GM at Le Meredien told me they have serious staffing issues, and cannot get Thai staff. He said they now recruit from all over Asia.
maybe Le Meredien needs to increase their wages then the potential employees would find renting themselves out not as lucrative..
Unfortunately, not many of the staff are that attractive, at least to me!
...anyway off topic...its all about the money/working conditions....BHT350/day on a constructioin site/fishing boat in the heat and dust...or triple that in an hour ...
What are the going rates for Moonlight and Jupiter? At Jupiter I see boys sit with customers (many of them women) but never actually go off with them.
...is moonlight the one in silom soi 6?...if yes then its just one big tease..
it is true..Japanese,Korean and some Chinese are paying it .Friend of mine works there and I asked if he was offered 2000 for short time would he accept it and he said no.6000 and 3000.incredible but true.
I've read across the forums grumbles from expats about tourists making life difficult by paying more than the going rate. Is there really a going rate? isn't the sex business just a market like most other business? Or do expats residing here expect they are entitled to a lower rate while tourists pay what they like?
As an aside, presently the cinema in Bangkok's Sam Yan shopping mall is showing an excellent Japanese gay movie "Egoist" which I thought was superb. Without giving the plot away it touches on exactly Latintopxxx's comment about the minimum wage. And btw the younger of the two guys is aggressively cute! Some good sex scenes too.
...its the same the world over, only difference is that in Thailand's tourist hotspots its more open & visible, not unusual to see old foreign guys with younger local (quite a few i believe are Laos/Burmese) guys....all about economiocs...i relish the power imbalance, I know that the fit young guy Im french kissing/sitting on his face/fucking....in Cape Town/Joburg/lisbon/Rio/Sao Paulo/Fortalesa/Funchal/Ft Lauderdale/Evansville to name a few are doing it for money & would rather be a 1000km away from me...but the money is so much better..love it when they need to watch straight porn to get an erection..so kinky...
After living here as a new expat retiree for 18 months - I would say that there is a 3-tier pricing system:Quote:
Originally Posted by Armando
- Thais who pay their escorts at a rate which tends to be 50% the price that us expats pay,
- Expats - who want to pay the non tourist price because we live here and we know what the expected expat price should be,
- Tourists - who pay the expat price or an inflated priced due to:
- their naïvete (lack of experience in the local escort market),
- come from Japan, South Korea, or China and will just pay more (why I am not sure - but when I ask my local massage friends they say the the first 2 tip on the high end),
- got money to burn (from saving for a long time) on their 2 week holiday and don't care what it costs.....
"Tourists - who pay the expat price or an inflated priced due to:
- their naïvete (lack of experience in the local escort market),"
Seriously!!! Few on this forum have more experience of offing boys in Pattaya than me and I'm happy to pay the tourist rate. Expats come up with all sorts of ways to justify their underpayment of boys but describing tourists with over 20 years experience and 60-70 visits as naive is a new one.
..oh good Lord ...even i do it...if approached by a number ive aklready had the pleasure of enjoying I will alway negotiate a lower price...my reasoning being that its not new, like eating left overs..they almost always agree...last time cost was only BHT 500. lasted all of 20 min...he had to count..1 bht /stroke......I came around stroke 488...not bad timing...,
I pay the equivalent of 3000 baht here so the 1500 in Thailand is chirpy chirpy cheap cheap. And they speak English (usually) and they're straight so more fun. It's the bogus naive claim I object to.
Good point Arsenal.
I mis-stated the point that I was trying to make.
I modified it below - hopefully to make my point clearer.
I am also in your camp - as an expat - I found a person who is well connected in the straight-guys-who-only-play-with-ladyboys part of life and she/he (the ladyboy) refers to me (for a fee of course) "straight" guys that she knows are a bit hard up (no pun intended) for money my way so that I can play with them and their prices tend to be in the 3.000 to 4.000 baht range and like you wrote below - they are fun and a nice diversion than the traditional MBs.
For my local guys that I solicit that are not via the ladyboy arrangement I pay the local expat price + 500 baht. I usually never share what I actually pay in these forums as I have been attacked by other forum members for:
- ruining the local market for the bargain hunters,
- creating unnecessary inflation
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After living here as a new expat retiree for 18 months - I would say that there is a multi-pricing system:
- Thais who pay their escorts at a rate which tends to be 50% the price that us expats pay,
- Expats - who want to pay the non tourist (fair market rate) price because we live here and we know what the expected expat price can be,
- Tourists - 3 types:
a.) bargain hunters who will bid the offered price down to their advantage,
a.) generous tourists who willingly pay a premium over the expat rate in order to not take unfair advantage against the local guys,
b.) non-familiar with the local market - who pay the expat price or an inflated price due to:
- their lack of experience with the local escort market,
- come from Japan, South Korea, or China and will just pay more (why I am not sure - but when I ask my local massage friends they say the the first 2 tip on the high end),
- got money to burn (from saving for a long time) on their 2 week holiday and don't care what it costs.....
As regards the multi-pricing system mentioned above I would say I fall into the second category I.e. generous tourists. I’ve just returned from Pattaya where I spent a two week boy orientated holiday. Most nights I had a boy sleep with me ( 6 different ones) . These offs I sourced from (a) Jomtien Complex (b) Grindr (c) winner gay Gogo.
Money was not my issue, but I’ve made a number of trips to Pattaya over the years so I believe I know the system and try not to be ripped off. The issue was to off the more attractive boys who could communicate in English. My standard tip was 2000, but I did go higher for a super cute boy from Grindr who I kept for 2 nights and the day in between. I must have given him about 7000-8000 in tips and for a present and meals/drinks etc.
If giving that much makes you happy, I see no problem with it. But it is a different story when a boy asks for or even demands much more than the standard amounts, that's where I see a problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daveuk
Yes I agree Gaybutton. If my stay in Thailand had been much longer, say 2 months which I’ve done in the past, the super cute boy would probably transitioned in my boyfriend. Then, by experience I know that he would have become really expensive in terms of cash, presents and entertainment for his friends,
In fact if I estimate my expenditure on boys during the two weeks and convert it into U.K. pounds it looks like terrific value for money,
Pattaya is still, despite everything, a great holiday destination for gays like myself who like Asian men.
...most i ever spent was 2k and that was only because it was bkk which usually commands a slightly higher price, he was drop dead masculine gorgeous, had a girlfriend and usually didnt bottom...most of the time my max is 1000...i normally dont do the same one twice in the same 10 day period but if i do i usually discount the price because its not new and its always him that contacts me wanting a second appointment...one short fit compact guy witha body like a kick boxer (nice firm muscle body) hassled me non-stop for a 2nd date even though 3 days prior I had pounded him hard...was a real surprise, didnt think I'd see him again...was real rough but clearly he didnt mind.
I dont begrudge the cheeky ones asking for 6k, if they get it then good on them...