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OMFG a447 I never thought you'd stoop to lying, but you have:
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You're right they are at odds with each other because that's NOT what Newbie99 originally posted AT ALL!
Are you seriously suggesting it was ME who first made the "cookie cooker" remark? Because if so that's an unequivocal LIE- it was a direct quote from Newbie99's original post on the subject - a direct quote you have deliberately edited.
Plus, Newbie99 made no mention of Cambodian bar boys in Jomtien "cultivating their appearance" - you've simply invented that to suit your argument.
You owe me an apology for lying about who posted the "cookie cooker" remark and you owe the board an apology for implying things were said which were not said at all.
Oh, and before you lie any more, be aware I have screenshots of Newbie99's original post, complete with his "cookie cooker" remark
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No. Newbie99 made the cookie cutter remark, not you. I never said you did.
He repeated it here(see my post above):
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And what I am saying is that there are a bunch of Cambodian boys in Jomtien who look like they came out of the same cookie cutter. I am not saying all Cambodians look alike.
I have repeatedly referred to your assertion that the poster said all Cambodians look the same. That's all. I've never mentioned cookie cutter.
So I wasn't lying.
And BTW, I have no problem whatsoever with the expression "cookie cutter." It's similar to saying things are "cut from the same cloth" or people are "a carbon copy." Totally innocuous expressions to denote similarity.
Just because Clinton used it in a racist way, doesn't mean it suddenly becomes a racist expression.
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I seriously think you're losing the plot altogether - you clearly accused me of inserting "cookie cooker" - you posted an edited quote from Newbie99 and acused me of "changing it" - I even posted a screenshot of what you said - how can you deny it?
I'll post it again below this - as it's a screenshot the colour merges.
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No, you changed it, not by using "cookie cutter" but by writing:
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By saying that all Cambodians come out of the same cookie cooker
He didn't say that. You say you have the screenshot, so please produce it to show where he did.
And you are correct when you say Newbie99 did not mention the guys "cultivating their appearance." But he didn't need to, as it's common knowledge to anyone who has visited the area. I actually quoted Nom in my recent Pattaya report - he made a similar observation.
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Would you please look at the edited quote you cite from Newbie99 in post #40 and they way you claim to illustrate how I "twisted" it. The edited quote from Newbie fails to include the cookie cooker reference HE made - yet you include it in "my" quote, which was actually quoting HIM - how strange eh?
And talking of post #40 you have been back and edited it - your remark about Clinton was way out (I chose to let it go) but I notice you have now edited that.
I have a screenshot of Newbie's original post which proves he used the term cookie cooker - which (like you) I don't give a damn about, except that in post #40 you were clearly implying (by leaving it out of HIS quote and including it in MINE) that it I had used it originally. You now say you didn't mean it that way. If you still want that screenshot posted then you can have it - no problem whatsoever.
You know what a447 - get lost. I have the law of 27 EU countries (and according to Sglad even Australian law) on my side: A group of Cambodians (and the nationality was specified) was described as all coming from the same cookie cooker, and that's a racist comment - Newbie's comment has nothing to do with "modifying their appearance" as you invented
Your original defence (and what a position to put yourself in, defending that sort of content) was that it wasn't "racist" because Cambodians aren't a race. Now that's been proved wrong (comments don't have to refer to a race to be racist) you are desperately trying to find some other way out. It now appears you're hanging your hat on a distinction between "all Cambodians" and a "group of Cambodians" - well, bad news - that doesn't work either - whether it's ALL Cambodians or a GROUP of Cambodians doesn't matter, it's the fact that their Nationality has been used to single them out.
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Yes, I have looked at it.
I don't take screenshots, and I can't remember word for word what he said, so I took the quote from Moses' post. Although it was also not a word for word quote the intent and meaning of Newbie99's comments remain exactly the same.
I'll repeat it for the very last time. Newbie99 did not say that all Cambodians look the same. Therefore, his comment was in no way racist. That's the only point I am making.
It's 1:30 am and I'm off to bed.
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Have a good sleep.
It's clear that you are now pinning your defence on only a "group" of Cambodians being insulted (they all look the same) rather than the whole Cambodian nation being insulted.
Perhaps when you wake up you'll realise how ridiculous that position is - it's possible to racially insult a single person (and be potentially locked up for it) never mind a group
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Canadian Human Rights Act. Section 3 of the Canadian Human Rights Act prohibits discrimination based on "race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, age, sex, sexual orientation, marital status, family status, disability and conviction for which a pardon has been granted".
Do you see here "citizenship"? If no, please stop your flooding.
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No, but I see "national origin" - did you miss that? Is Cambodia not a nation now?
Anyway, I'll see your Canada and raise you 27 EU Countries.
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Can someone remind me which country rules does this board work to?
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Can someone remind me which country rules does this board work to?
No country. Just whatever rules a moderator or group of moderators feel like cooking up at the time to suit themselves.
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Have a good sleep.
It's clear that you are now pinning your defence on only a "group" of Cambodians being insulted (they all look the same) rather than the whole Cambodian nation being insulted.
Perhaps when you wake up you'll realise how ridiculous that position is - it's possible to racially insult a single person (and be potentially locked up for it) never mind a group
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Are you seriously suggesting that Newbie99 would find himself in trouble with EU law because of his comments? Surely not.
In any case, EU laws are only valid in EU countries and have no relevance here.
Also, you are missing the most important point. His comments did not refer to their ethnic appearance. Saying a group of people look alike because of their outward appearance -their clothes, hair styles, bulked-up bodies, etc - is not racist.
It falls under freedom of speech.
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No country. Just whatever rules a moderator or group of moderators feel like cooking up at the time to suit themselves.
The "cooked-up" rules were taken out of the oven long before you arrived on the scene.
But I can still serve them up to you, even though they've now gone rather cold. Here they are :
https://sawatdeenetwork.com/v4/showt...amp-guidelines
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Are you seriously suggesting that Newbie99 would find himself in trouble with EU law because of his comments? Surely not.
In any case, EU laws are only valid in EU countries and have no relevance here.
Also, you are missing the most important point. His comments did not refer to their ethnic appearance. Saying a group of people look alike because of their outward appearance -their clothes, hair styles, bulked-up bodies, etc - is not racist.
It falls under freedom of speech.
No I'm not suggesting the board falls under EU rules or Australian rules for that matter.
The fact is you started off by quoting an online dictionary at me, and what I'm doing by mentioning 27 EU countries is pointing out and giving evidence of the weight of legal and public opinion as to what constitutes a racist remark nowadays and how it has evolved from a dictionary definition. But you knew that anyway didn't you, and you're simply grandstanding.
Neither am I suggesting that Newbie would face sanction from EU law for a post on this board as it is obviously outwith EU jurisdiction, but I'll tell you this - if he made those remarks in the UK and there were complaints, he'd be getting a visit from the cops (as would the publisher of the remarks) and that's no exaggeration. It happens regularly with comments made on Twitter, and offended people are very quick to report stuff these days.
Secondly - if Newbie99 had said any of the stuff you point to about "clothes, hair styles, bulked-up bodies", then you might have an argument. Unfortunately for your argument, he said none of that and (as I've already said) you're now just inventing stuff. What he did say was that they "came out of the same cookie cooker". Now I don't know about you but I have never heard of existing cookies being put into a cookie cooker for modification, they are put into a cookie cooker to be made therefore it could easily be deemed to be a reference to their ethnic appearance.
Finally there is "freedom of speech" only as long as it does not break the law or offend people. If you truly believe there is total "freedom of speech" then I invite you to post some disparaging remarks about the Thai Royal family on this board and see where it gets you and your boss. I suspect you'd be arguing about freedom of speech from a cell in the "Bangkok Hilton".
Whether you and Moses like it or not, the world is moving on and there are certain things that just cannot be said any more. Saying a group of people all look alike is fine - but once you bring Nationality into it you're treading on very dodgy ground. Both you and Moses have spent more time and effort trying to browbeat me (which you'll never succeed in doing) than you have spent addressing the original remarks. And frankly, that's shameful.
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you're simply grandstanding.
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you....have spent more time and effort trying to browbeat me
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OMFG a447 I never thought you'd stoop to lying, but you have:
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you're losing the plot
Such insults suggest you know you were losing the argument. I was enjoying the discussion until you decided to get down in the gutter. With you of all people, I expected better.
As yet, not one single member has supported your view. Perhaps unlike yourself, we know the situation in Jomtien Complex and so understand exactly what Newbie99 was describing - their appearance tailored to the needs of their customers. So it was obvious to those familiar with JC that his comments were in no way racist.
What do you know that we don't?
That's it! I've had enough!
Case dismissed.
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None of the above quotes are insults ("losing the plot" may be borderline) - they are comments on your contribution to this debate and I don't retract or regret any of them.
It's actually not a popularity contest, but I would point out that Sglad has in fact supported my view, but no doubt you'll dismiss that as some kind of plot to get at you.
I'm pretty sure Arsenal will have supported your view but then again if I said the sun rises in the East and sets in the West and somebody else denied it, he would automatically take the denier's side. As I say, it's immaterial to me either way.
You might wish to consider that a considerable percentage of contributing members may be in the older age bracket and possibly less aware of what kind of terminology and language is or is not acceptable these days.
Being considerably younger than most, utterly fabulous and down with the cool kids - I'm much more up to date .
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utterly fabulous and down with the cool kids - I'm much more up to date .
Well now, I'm sorry to be the one to break it to you BUT it seems you're now officially old as if YOU were as down with the cool kids as you believe you'd realise (as I now know what with me being WAY younger and more hip and trendy and "with it" and all - probably:)) you'd realise that cool kids is now in fact OUT and they're now referred to as KOOL kids - with a K no less !
But hey I know it's hard to keep up, but don't worry just like in "Interview with a vampire" ( what a great movie btw) I, just like the beautiful Louis will keep you, the ageing Lestat, current and up to date and "with it"........it's ok, you dont need to thank me, you're welcome ! :) he he
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I've waited a couple of days for the heat to die down.
Below is the screenshot of the original post which sparked the debate. Unlike the selective quotes which have been previously posted, it is unedited.
It has been suggested that Newbie99 meant that the Cambodian boys in Jomtien "modified their appearance" to "all look alike" , rather than meaning they all look alike 'ethnically'.
In fact, you'll see that Newbie99 comments specifically on their height and musculature in comparison to the Thai boys. It's a long process to "modify" one's musculature and has anyone ever tried "modifying" their height?
Are we now to be told that Newbie99 meant the Cambodian boys all went out and bought gym memberships and elevator shoes?
It's clear to me (and it ought to be clear to any fair minded reader) that the original comment had absolutely nothing to do with "modifying" appearance.
As for why the original post differs substantially from the edited and paraphrased versions or snippets which were presented as a defence - well, that's for others to explain
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Anyone really want to feed this troll clearly trolling for another shitfest.
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FAN#2 still stalking every single post I make - if only there were rules to prevent this
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If there were you and frequent wouldn't have been able to drive 78 year old Paborn off the board. Proud of yourself big man?
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Rest my case.
Whatever it is he’s posting it will be entirely troll-like
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And yet it's you, dear Scotty, who's getting involved in yet another shitfest on the main forum.