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Keep in mind, Chiang Mai people aren't idiots and thanks to Miguels Mexican places as bad as Pattaya simply can't survive. That's why I want all Pattaya Mexican places to go under because that opens the space for a new place to set a decent standard here.
I have been to Sams three times. All times, really low standard food. Mexicans would be disgusted and wouldn't eat there unless they were starving and it was free, and because I know Mexican food, so was I.
The truth about the stomach upset is true. Take it or leave it. I say don't go there because the food is terrible and doesn't even resemble good Mexican food, not because of the stomach problems.
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Tastes vary, but ALL of these are much better than anything in Pattaya --
Sunrise
La Monita Taqueria
Tacos and Salsa (run by a Mexican)
Los Cabos
In Chiang Mai,
Miguels, also much better than anything in Pattaya.
Haven't tried yet, but hear good things also about El Diablos
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No more excuses. Pattaya deserves better!
Ah, do you understand that your opinion is only your opinion?
If I like a mexican restaurant in pattaya and enjoy the food better than the mexican food alternatives that you have pointed out...then the alternatives are NOT BETTER.
You may have a preference and believe them to be better but that is just your opinion.
Do you understand that?
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No, this goes beyond opinion. It is simply not possible for anyone who knows Mexican food to think Sams has better Mexican food that any of the places I mentioned. I am not saying all of the others are great or would rate in California. etc., but there is no doubt Sams is objectively bad. It is true some people may like Sams, but they simply have horrible taste and know nothing about what Mexican food can be.
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No, this goes beyond opinion. It is simply not possible for anyone who knows Mexican food to think Sams has better Mexican food that any of the places I mentioned. I am not saying all of the others are great or would rate in California. etc., but there is no doubt Sams is objectively bad. It is true some people may like Sams, but they simply have horrible taste and know nothing about what Mexican food can be.
No your comments are just your opinions.
What if I do not know mexian food or if I dislike your preferred/recommended style of mexican food and find Sam's enjoyable in that case Sam's would be a better choice for me.
Your opinion is that the food is bad. Mine opinion might be that it is good.
These are our respective opinions. Just that opinions...Not absolute facts.
You do understand that your comments are subjective? You get that right?
What objective standard are you using? What is the comparison? Your taste preference is a subjective measure not an objective measure.
See Scottish Guys comments above.
You might be suffering from the dunning kruger effect. (ooo..I have been wanting to use that for a bit). Don't worry it is not fatal.
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Oh, please, that was total BS. I don't doubt there are many people who prefer a 10 baht hot dog to a 2,000 baht world class Argentina steak, but it is not opinion that the hot dog is better food. Objectively, the Argie steak is better. Same difference. I can be objective about this because I do happen to be an expert on Mexican and many other food types. Not all, of course. I can't really judge sushi so well, so in that case I would be at the yahoo level, saying I "like" this or that, based on nothing really objective. Only total morons wouldn't get my point here.
Another example. I don't doubt there are many people (probably the OP) who would prefer a bland bottled Pace salsa to the best homemade salsas in Mexico City and proclaim the Pace to be better. Objectively, they would be totally wrong by any standard of reason. They would be right about their horrible taste in Mexican food though.
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Oh, please, that was total BS. I don't doubt there are many people who prefer a 10 baht hot dog to a 2,000 baht world class Argentina steak, but it is not opinion that the hot dog is better food. Objectively, the Argie steak is better. Same difference. I can be objective about this because I do happen to be an expert on Mexican and many other food types. Not all, of course. I can't really judge sushi so well, so in that case I would be at the yahoo level, saying I "like" this or that, based on nothing really objective. Only total morons wouldn't get my point here.
Another example. I don't doubt there are many people (probably the OP) who would prefer a bland bottled Pace salsa to the best homemade salsas in Mexico City and proclaim the Pace to be better. Objectively, they would be totally wrong by any standard of reason. They would be right about their horrible taste in Mexican food though.
I do get your point which is that you have opinions about food. Great.
But you have not stated any objective measures that you use to make your comparisons between object one and object two. You have stated your opinions. Great. I am glad you have them but they are subjective measures of your thoughts and tastes. They are not objective measures of good and better.
I mean you do understand the difference between and objective and a subjective measure? I am assuming you do understand that they are different.
If I was a thai worker making a few thousand baht a month I suspect I would prefer the 10 baht hotdog as I could not afford the Argentine steak. Just a guess.
If I liked bland food and found mexican flavors too strong and preferred the taste of Pace salsa then I would be wrong according to you to have those tastes and preferences. I would be wrong by any standard of reason?
God it must be wonderful to see the need in other to conform to your standards.
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John Colapinto: Lunch with M. -- Undercover with a Michelin inspector
A degree in hospitality, hotel management, or cooking is mandatory for Michelin inspectors. Every job that Maxime held, from high school on, had been in the domestic food, wine, or restaurant industry. She got a masterтАЩs from N.Y.U. in food studies, and obtained a sommelierтАЩs certification. Six years ago, she was working in a food-and-hospitality job in a city far from New York when she learned that Michelin was recruiting inspectors to produce a New York City guide. тАЬI immediately started stalking Jean-Luc,тАЭ she said. She had several preliminary interviews in New York, during which she was warned about the rigors of life as an inspectorтАФthe travel, the regimen of constant eating, the pressure to fill out meticulously detailed reports on time, the enforced anonymity, the low pay. (тАЬLetтАЩs just say itтАЩs not about the money,тАЭ she said.)
Maxime eats out more than two hundred days of the year, lunch and dinner. She eats the maximum number of courses offeredтАФat Jean Georges [New York, 3 Michelin stars], we were having three courses, plus dessert; that way, she said, тАЬyou really get to see the most foodтАЭтАФand she is required to eat everything on her plate. It is a regimen that calls to mind the force-feeding of the ducks that supply Vongerichten with his velvety foie gras, but Maxime, blessed with a quick metabolism, had managed to avoid obesity, an occupational hazard.
If she were on an inspection visit, she said, she would go home directly after finishing dessert and paying her bill, and begin filling out her report, which is made in the form of entries in a classification form supplied to all Michelin inspectors. She would list every ingredient in everything she ate, and the specifics of every preparation. She would rate these according to several criteria, including quality of the products, mastery in the cooking, technical accuracy, balance of flavors, and creativity of the chef.
For a restaurant like Jean Georges, filling out the reports would take two to three hours. A Chinese restaurant might take an hour. http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/11/23/091123fa_fact_colapinto?currentPage=all
Facts = educated opinion = opinion?
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You must bear in mind that we are talking here about Pattaya, where the universally accepted arbiter of culinary standards, the Pattaya Mail's Miss Terry Diner, wouldn't recognise an objective verdict on a cucumber unless you shoved it up her no doubt suitably capacious ass.
Any Michelin judgements in Pattaya are more likely to concern the tyres on your car.
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I give up. Keep on spending your money on the dreck Mexican food in Pattaya. There is good food to be had in Pattaya. but no good Mexican food. I know some people are satisfied with something that gives a hint of Mexican food but I love Mexican food too much to soil my palate with the local stuff. I'd rather have nothing because in my view the local stuff is already nothing.
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I give up. Keep on spending your money on the dreck Mexican food in Pattaya. There is good food to be had in Pattaya. but no good Mexican food. I know some people are satisfied with something that gives a hint of Mexican food but I love Mexican food too much to soil my palate with the local stuff. I'd rather have nothing because in my view the local stuff is already nothing.
I am glad you recognize those are your opinions.
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I never said that. Objectively the fabulous homemade salsas in Mexico City are better than bottled Pace salsa. Not an opinion. A fact. It's is also a fact that many ignorant people would like the Pace stuff better. But that doesn't make it better, it just shows they have bad taste. You're not going to convince me otherwise. There are objective realities in food quality that are a totally different thing than people's taste and opinions.
BTW, I have spoken to Sam about his food. He is a nice guy I admit but he serves very poor Mexican food. Apparently there is a market for it. Good for Sam. Bad for lovers of decent Mexican food.
Sams isn't the worst in town. That's probably a tie between Tequila Reef and Blue Parrot.
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Any Michelin judgements in Pattaya are more likely to concern the tyres on your car.
Nice..very droll.
One of my pet peeves is self appointed arbiters of tastes and standards.
Oh..you don't want to do that.
Oh..you don't want to buy that.
Oh..you don't want to go that way.
I had a terrible childhood and have authority issues..sob sob.
Don't tell me what to do.
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I never said that. Objectively the fabulous homemade salsas in Mexico City are better than bottled Pace salsa. Not an opinion. A fact. It's is also a fact that many ignorant people would like the Pace stuff better. But that doesn't make it better, it just shows they have bad taste. You're not going to convince me otherwise. There are objective realities in food quality that are a totally different thing than people's taste and opinions.....because in my view the local stuff is already nothing.
No you are wrong.
It is a fact that salsa made in mexico city is probably fresher.
It is a fact that salsa made in mexico city is probably spicier.
It is a fact that in mexico city they probably use fresh cilantro.
It is a fact that cooking and canning tends to make foods bland and so an industrial food product compared to a fresh made product has a fresher taste.
It is those facts that lead you to conclude that the salsa is better.
There is a difference between just saying this is my opinion and I am correct because my opinion is always right and laying out some objective measure on which to lay your opinion.
So if someone else has a different opinion or likes the taste of industrial salsa they are ignorant because they do not conform to your expectations of how they should feel about food.
I am glad you have opinions but they are just that opinions. And if you want to share them with the board..great. But as a poster I also have the right to point out that you are just telling me what you think. Your opinion carries very little weight in terms of my decision making.
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MY GOODNESS! All I wanted to originally say was that I went to Sam's and I liked it! I live near Mexico and there are a ton of Mexican Restaurants there and while I do believe that IN FUCKING COLORADO and TEXAS and MEXICO they are better, well we are in PATTAYA THAILAND. I have found it to be the BEST I have had the pleasure of eating at in PATTAYA THAILAND and while I wish I were in Colorado eating fresher, larger, and tastier portions of Mexican food, alas, I am here.
I am neither ignorant nor stupid and while YOU may choose to do without because you say it takes like shit, obviously it must have been at least ok if you returned THREE times. Thanks for your OPINION but as y health isnt so great and I dont know if I can wait so long for your gourmet Mexican Restaurant to open, I will settle for Sam's. Thank you!
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Here is why I returned three times.
1. To try out the new place. It was crap.
2. Some poster on thaivisa said it was great and it had gotten better. Returned. It was still crap.
3. Another poster on thaivisa said it was great and it had gotten better. Returned. It was still crap.
Three strikes, you're out.
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OK out for you.
May I point out that Thailand is very large. There is Northern Thai food and other "variations". The boys from the north, while they will eat the south and others, they dont prefer it to the spicy hot of the north and the south cant really stomach the spicy hot of the north. In and I dont know how to spell it Sakonikon likes to eat dogs and cats, but other areas dont. New York has a New York Style cheesecake. I prefer it but there ARE many variations.
Mexico is HUGE, much larger than New York, Thailand and even Sakonikon. Thats all we are really trying to tell you. Even if you are a Mexican from Mexico, there are variations and there are many variations that many people enjoy. Let it rest now.
My last post on this thread.
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No. It is not possible that a Mexican person would ever think Sams food is good Mexican food or good Mexican American food for that matter. Please note I have nothing against Mexican American food if it is good. For example I think good San Francisco Mission District burritos are fantastic and one of the great foods of the world. Many Mexicans enjoy those as well and they have no problem that that style of Mexican food is not even sold in Mexico. Sams is not good. That is a fact. My confidence level on that is 100 percent. Anyone who thinks it is good Mexican American food simply doesn't have the experience to know better.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco_burrito
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No. It is not possible that a Mexican person would ever think Sams food is good Mexican food or good Mexican American food for that matter. Please note I have nothing against Mexican American food if it is good. For example I think good San Francisco Mission District burritos are fantastic and one of the great foods of the world. Many Mexicans enjoy those as well and they have no problem that that style of Mexican food is not even sold in Mexico. Sams is not good. That is a fact. My confidence level on that is 100 percent. Anyone who thinks it is good Mexican American food simply doesn't have the experience to know better.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco_burrito
You keep forgetting that those are your opinions not absolute fact.
Are you are aware that the two are not the same?
Stating an opinion does not make it factual.
Is that something you understand?
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He doesnt understand Kitty. He is an expert on all variations of Mexican food.
Let him go to Chain Mei and to Bangkok.
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He doesnt understand Kitty. He is an expert on all variations of Mexican food.
Let him go to Chain Mei and to Bangkok.
Ah...don't spoil it for me. I was hoping I could get him to again proclaim his expertise on all mexican food in all variations and again state with absolute certainty that anyone who does not agree with his standards is ignorant.
Wait...I have a vision...froth...froth....foaming and frothing at the mouth...it is becoming clearer..Sorry I lost it.
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and here is my OPINION on Mexican food based on more than a dozen trips to various parts of Mexico on business.
There is no such thing as good Mexican food in Mexico. It is usually grossly over-spiced to mask the taste of rotting meat or vegetables.
I have some experience of Mexican food outside of Mexico and it is edible in so far as other countries have much stricter hygiene standards. Thus I would be willing to try Sam's Place if every other restaurant in Pattaya was mysteriously closed at a time I wanted to dine.
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For Narakmak to describe a restaurant's fare as "Shit" shows that he does, indeed, have considerable experience of Mexican food ... before, during and especially after eating it.
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Hi,
Congratulations guys, other than a few arguments over geography you have managed five pages of staying on topic!!
I think Mexican food and drink, by and large is fairly lousy cuisine, WHEREVER YOU EAT IT!
Regards Justme, the breakfasts in England don't as a rule serve cold ham with traditional English breakfasts, We usually serve hot bacon or grilled thick ham, and UK sausage are to die for, unlike those boiled burger sausage America dishes up. what do you call them, weenies or something bloody silly!!............. We have an absolute amazing array of sausage in the UK, and no puns please!!
Eggs, can be ordered and cooked how you want them in any reasonable breakfast venue! and we don't just fry them, we poach, boil,scramble,risotto,benedict, etc etc.
So, hands off criticising our full English breakfast, we don't have much of a cuisine but our greasy spoon breakfasts, and great English Teas are top of the tree!! ................ :laughing3:
And you guys stop arguing about Mexico borders because they extending a lot further up into what you now call USA till you lot pinched their land..... :laughing3:
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Well now the Quill has spoken! :sign5: He has settled many arguements in one post, the boarders of Mexico, Mexican food and Eb=nlish (uggh) breakfast! :sign5: I love him!
And thats that! Hey Kevvy, you coming to our party?
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Well now the Quill has spoken! :sign5: He has settled many arguements in one post, the boarders of Mexico, Mexican food and Eb=nlish (uggh) breakfast! :sign5: I love him!
And thats that! Hey Kevvy, you coming to our party?
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Love too, but I think I am in the Laos with the cowboys then!..............hehehe!
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A BRIT thinks all Mexican food is low quality and too spicy in Mexico. Now, that takes the cake for total ignorance. Not opinion, just sheer idiocy.
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A BRIT thinks all Mexican food is low quality and too spicy in Mexico. Now, that takes the cake for total ignorance. Not opinion, just sheer idiocy.
Oh what joy and idiocy to you too .... Kevin carefully says 'I think' , so it is his OPINION of Mexican food, he is not stating it as fact. Get a grasp on your English!
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It is clearly the opinion of an idiot.
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It is clearly the opinion of an idiot.
and that is your opinion, no more or less valid than anyone else.
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Clearly a very ANAL crowd here. Not so surprising.
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Anyway, for anyone who loves or wants to try what REAL Mexican food tastes like.......
Sam's Mexican restaurant also has American food. Steaks, hamburgers, buffalo wings, chili....hmmmmmm!
If you are going to Jomtien Beach, keep looking on your left for Mignon Restaurant. make a left there and a short few yards down the road is another left.
On that corner where you make that second left is SAM'S.
A nice casual rastaurant and the food is quick and service was fine. Sam was a very social host. ENJOY!
Sounds good if you like Tex-Mex, which is OK for the occasional very casual snack but that is NOT real Mexican food. Sadly it is what the rest of the world now thinks is Mexican food. But then Americans continue to try to change the world, as they honestly believe that they own it! Just look what they have done to the English language, but leave ethnic cuisines alone, most have been around for thousands of years and all are better in their original form.
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But then Americans continue to try to change the world, as they honestly believe that they own it! Just look what they have done to the English
You are a fucking jerk! You say Americans when you should be saying many within the American Government.
Dont lump us all together...it just shows what a narrow minded idiot you are!
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It's not even really Tex Mex. But it is some kind of Mexican American food and it is very BAD Mexican American food. Indeed, Mexican American food can be fantastic, you just won't any good version in Pattaya. I totally disagree that only "authentic" Mexican food is acceptable. That's total BS than anyone who tastes a burrito in the Mission District in San Francisco will know in a second. Authentic Mexican burritos are totally boring in comparison (and generally only found in Northern Mexico) and it was only in the USA that the burrito became a culinary wonder.
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Clearly a very ANAL crowd here. Not so surprising.
Seems no more anal than you prick, and who you calling a fucking idiot, cowardly twat who hides behind a keyboard to be rude...............prick!
and an avator saying God is banned and calling yourself ''' very cute '' in Thai with an incorrect phoenetic translation................knob!.. :laughing3:
:boxing: anytime!
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I stand by this, anyone who asserts Mexican food is basically lousy is a total idiot. Period, end of story.
BTW, yes I have met you when you had that Cage bar. Reinforces my opinion of what you are.
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Clearly a very ANAL crowd here. Not so surprising.
I think we should have a drink ... when you free? And where would you like?
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" ... Seems no more anal than you prick, and who you calling a fucking idiot, cowardly twat ... "
Wish you would stop being so damn timid Kevin ... don't hold back for christ sake :rolling:
Amazing Sawatdee: a thread about Mexican food morphs to include anti-American tirades and whether 'opinions' can in fact, be idiocy ... or idiosyncracy.
Hitler had the 'opinion' that the Jews were to blame for just-about-everything, and look were that got us.
Lesson from World War ll: 'Opinions' are highly over-rated.
But carry on . . .
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I stand by this, anyone who asserts Mexican food is basically lousy is a total idiot. Period, end of story.
BTW, yes I have met you when you had that Cage bar. Reinforces my opinion of what you are.
Prick of the first order !........a person gives their own opinion and you launch into a tirade of abuse because you are bravely sat at behind a computer, what is your problem........little man syndrome??
or just a rude twat??? and do you think by your bravado on here I would have any opinion at all about you, with the exception of the aforementioned. I can't believe the rudeness for absolutely no reason.
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I know what you're like in person. 'Nuff saId.
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I know what you're like in person. 'Nuff saId.
Yup,
As expected a load of innuendo and baseless suggestive twaddle to back up your completely out of order posting.
Spineless arsehole you are.
reminder of what I said, noting the word ' think ' not asserted:
quote:/ I think Mexican food and drink, by and large is fairly lousy cuisine, WHEREVER YOU EAT IT
reminder of what you said:
A BRIT thinks all Mexican food is low quality and too spicy in Mexico. Now, that takes the cake for total ignorance. Not opinion, just sheer idiocy
and then
It is clearly the opinion of an idiot.
I didn't mention too spicy, I eat both Lao and Indian food and I never mentioned low quality, and why the emphasis on my nationality, totally uncalled for and provacative abuse......you wanker!
You have shown your colours and what you are, I don't feel it necessary for me to continue posting on this particulat thread because you ' get off ' by deliberately trying, and succeeding on this occasion, in annoying me intensely.
I don't usually bite but you're one piece of work.
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What you did say, can't find it, did you edit it out, was that the meat in Mexico is ROTTEN and that's why it's spicy, to cover up the rotten meat.