latin, that's the most interesting post of yours I've ever read,
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latin, that's the most interesting post of yours I've ever read,
yes, occasionally I do interact with the locals, must admit I thought he was softening me up with some sob story for some extra cash...but no, he just wanted to chat..I rather enjoyed it and liked the fact he wasnt the usual stooopid big hair do young dumb full of cum MB who spends his cash as fast as he gets it...he actually had a plan
Well done, Latin. A good post.
I think that you should try interacting with the locals a bit more often.
We might even find your humanity.
All my offs are like that Latin. Be careful, enjoying their company as well as their bodies can become seriously moreish. And very very few of them make these stories up. It's just two people having a nice conversation about our respective lives.
...now dont think Im getting all soft and nice...this was a one off....it appeals to me to think of them as being there just to give me pleasure...
..amd neddy..i do have humanity..I actually give to charity...not the save the fucking whales types..but real ones..
Some good posts, make me wish I could revisit and rekindle contacts I had with guys who were pleasant and entertaining, not only when we were in bed together.
why dont u?? with facebook and grindr and line and whatsapp to name a few its free and easy...I have a fairly large circle of aquiantances and we often plan stuff on whatsapp or facebook....one will start off with an invite like..Im off on a " pussy pounding holiday in Pattaya" ..who's in??"
oh...reinforces my mantra.." fuck 'till u drop"...
[QUOTE=latin..however on one occasion I engaged what I thought was a fit lad in his 20's only to have someone clearly in his mid thirties show up. My initial reaction was to tell him that the deal was off as his face pic clearly didnt match the adverised goods.
He turned out to be quite a cheeky fellow, lifted up his t-shirt to show a washboard stomach and said that he had a good body, si after negotiating an age discount I fucked him..[/QUOTE]
I bet the man was equally generous with his own discount for older clients.
i believe that this is the most interesting series of posts I've ever read on the forum. Thanks to everyone.
christian...thats why I refuse to tip those damn mamasans and waitstaff in gogo bars...only one that gets tips are the gogos.
Dinagam...funny!?
I've never quite worked out why go go bars have so many non go go boy staff. Inefficient.
Someone has to wipe up the jizz
arsetroll...u do realise that just about all the staff are offable??? dont u??
scotty...u been watching too many cum shows...and they are probably there to mop up the drool from all the geriatrics
..anyway...as usual we have done a huge detour and gone totally off road where this topic is concerned. In reality the main reason that the vast majority of these guys enter prostitution is because of the money...the easy money...most are as lazy as can be and are happy to sell their bodies and self respect as it pays more than a 7-11 employee and heavens forbid sure as hell a lot easier than working on a construction site.
Question to be asked is why do they find themselves in this situation...why the lack of schooling, opportunities, why is their best asset their bodies??
And before we wonder..its not unique to Thailand..world is awash with guys attracted to whoring by the lack of opportunities elsewhere...
Maybe I've not been asking all the right questions but one difference I've just realised between Thailand and a place like Brazil is that lots of MB in Brazil are part time, usually available after hours or on weekends, most tend to have low paid regular jobs that serve as their baseline income....the MB jig is usually a sweetener.
Jeez, here I am agreeing with latintop again (don't worry, lads, I have doctor's appointment scheduled) The boys I've been with over the years (nowhere near as many as latin, I suspect) all had that same attitude. Do the prostitution thing for 10 years, then when you reach 30 move on. The sensible ones (there must have been some) actually saved some money, and maybe started their own little business. But I suspect the majority pissed it up against the wall and reached their 30s with nothing to show for it. What they ended up doing, I've no idea.
I asked my oldest of the 2 friends I''ve been talking about what he did for work, and his reply was "food". Does he work in a factory, restaurant, kitchen. Has he perchance become the food critic for the Bangkok Post. These are the hard questions I intend to put to him in January.
Anyway, latin. I'm going to disagree with your next post, whatever it is, 'cos all this agreeing is making me uncomfortable.
Just a quick mention of the guy I've been talking about who's hoping to go to Morocco - when I was last there, he worked in an internet cafe. Now he teaches massage. He has ambition. I've no doubt he slept with men for money, does that make him a money boy? Not in my eyes. There's something to ponder, lads.
on same subject but going way back have just started reading " A class apart-The private pictures of Montague Glover".....how I wish I lived in 19th century England..
Oh come on, latin, nobody is going to believe you actually read books! So you want to live in the 19th century? Two words - Oscar Wilde
I remember that Montague Glover book, and from what I recall, it was mostly pictures, so I believe Latin may be actually reading (wanking over) it.
If I remember rightly old Montague was a rather posh English guy who took loads of pictures of his labourer boyfriend wearing tight trousers with an obvious bulge...a lovely little book, really!
Haha, that sounds more like it Ronan
I was going to point out that as outlined in that very fine book that a large driver of rent boy trade was driven by economic needs, so the situation obviously is not limited to Thailand. As Thailand slowly creeps up the economic ladder the MB sex trade will slowly diminish.
Same situation is encountered world wide, vast majority of MB are driven by lack of regular opportunities.
I hate it when you make sense, latin
It seems to me that there is actually no shortage of boys to work in the bars. Looking at the new bars that have opened recently such as Winner Boys, New Cupidol, 360' Degree Bar, Prisma all of them have been able to find plenty of boys to work there both straight and gay. It's only the lack of customers that means the supply dwindles down. If they were full of customers they'd be bursting at the seams with boys. Take Prisma, Toy Boys and Scandic all together and you've got over 60 available boys just from those three places.
This is very true. The money, if you can command it, is still quite good. It still amazes that some of the boys working in Family Mart or 7-11 make roughly 40 baht an hour. And those guys work their ass off. It must be difficult to hear from their friends who spend the night drinking, on our dime, and get paid for it at the same time. Just one off a week would net them more money than they would make in an ordinary week somewhere else. Now, let's also talk reality - The bar scene is not for everyone, nor should it be. I have lived in Northeastern Thailand since 2008. I love the laid back life here. You don't need much here to be comfortable beyond your wildest dreams. Many of these boys live very simple lives - and they love it. They don't need more than a few hundred a baht to not only survive, but thrive in their village. As the OP has stated, there are loads of opportunities springing up all around the Northeast. While it does not net the possible thousands of baht one can make on a good night in Bangkok or Pattaya, many of these boys no longer want it.
I really think the lure of the big city is slowly giving way. I remember in 2008, when I went to my now husband's home in the village, we could barely get a signal with AIS. No other mobile service would even work out there. Today, we have Fiber Optic Internet out there that is actually faster than at our home in Khon Kaen - go figure. I guess what I am trying to say is that times are really changing in Thailand and the boys are realizing that they no longer need the bar scene to be happy. I am happy to see that. Hope it all makes sense - Perhaps I'll start posting more - I sure enjoy the new 'feel' to reading the posts now being made by civil people who love this country - Good on you all!
Don't forget the pleasure the working guys derive from their friendship groups. It's not unusual for a group to arrive together in Pattaya as old friends from school, or the village or even as family members. There is a sense of camaraderie amongst them; a guy who has a successful night will treat his friends to dinner, or help with the rent. They will sometimes share a room, particularly in their early days, and enjoy social activities together.
Retired guys will speak of the pleasure it gave them to be in groups-particularly gay ones- after a degree of isolation at home. And of course, Pattaya, with all its faults, was an thrilling, vibrant environment for those coming from a small village in Isaan.
I think you're spot on, Oliver.
My Pattaya regular moved there with his brother and a group of friends from the same town. They all work in the sex business, share rooms and hang out together. And they look after each other, sharing offs amongst themselves - "Can you take my brother instead? He hasn't had a farang this week" - and, of course, help each other out when times are tough.
And they also work at the same bar. When one changes, the others follow.
Jason, You appear to be a perfectly pleasant, rational, intelligent individual with no grudges to bear. Your posts will be much in demand on SGT.
Hi KKJason. Welcome to the board. Living in KK with your partner from a small Thai village and loving the simple life means you've already got quite a lot in common with CDMatt. It will cerainly be interesting to compare the different viewpoints on what is essentially the same ifestyle.
kkjason...not sure i agree with your statement that the country boys thrive in the quiet village....i suspect having access to the internet heightens their awareness that the world beyond the village is a lot brighter.
They also see nice brick houses with proper roofs being built around them and want the same...and the quickest way a boy with limited prospects can make fast money is peddling his body..
And here I have to agree with u...it really does amaze me when I find a handsome specimen behind a family mart counter working for slave wages..a 3 hour romp on my dick would be the equivalent of 3 days wages..
Thailand still has a long way before the country side catches up and becomes truly middle class.
Another country that Im fast becomong afan of is Brazil..and Im not talking about the mega cities like Rio and Sao Paulo..its the reginal towns of up to 2 million people....grinding poverty drives many into whoring..all colours and types available..
A 447 reminds me that in my my early days in Pattaya I was sometimes asked by dancers to take one of the guys who hadn't been offed for a long time. In one case, he was someone who, I was told, would lose his job if he didn't find a falang. To my eternal shame, I didn't. I've felt bad about it for twenty years.
So, what happened? Am I to presume that he lost his job?
WHY !? Not your fault that he wasn't very good or popular at his job - if I was crap at my job for whatever reason I wouldn't get a pass, I dont see why a Thai guy should be any different and if you didn't fancy him enough to off him that's not exactly your fault either.
To feel bad about that for 20 years is to me crazy - plus it was of course probably all just bullshit anyway and if you went back there the next week you would I'm sure have found him still working away.
For all you know if it WAS true that perhaps you actually did the guy a favour, as maybe his heart wasn't in the work hence why no offs and IF so he lost his job because of that non off then maybe he went back to work elsewhere, is much more happy today because of that and is in fact thanking you for that for all you know.
Either way I'm betting that 20 years later HE still doesn't feel bad about it (or even remember it or care).
OK...I'll add something that I was too embarrassed to mention earlier; the guy was deaf and the dancers told me that this made it difficult for him to attract falangs. It was my first or second visit and and I was, at that time, too enthralled by what was on offer to think beyond my desires. And yes, Nirish, I've told myself that I may have done him a favour; for one thing, he may have been saved from hiv.
Nevertheless, if you know your TS Eliot, you may remember the phrase "to do the right thing for the wrong reason" in Murder in the Cathedral. If I did him a favour , it's because I fancied someone else more than him.
A 447....I don't know. This happened at Cockpit (old-timers will remember it with affection) and I don't recall returning that visit.
Deaf or not makes no difference Oliver. You didn't fancy him and that's the end of it. I offed a boy from xxxxxxxx and he only had one eye, the other was glass. I offed him because I fancied him, had I not I wouldn't. "I can do anything anyone else can do" he told me indignantly when I asked him about the difficulties of riding a motorbike with only one eye.
Oliver, don't worry about it at all. Being deaf is his "normal", so I'm sure he just shrugged it off, and kept pushing forward in life.
Fun fact: Disabled people don't like being treated like they're disabled.
the things people worry about..and for 20 years too...oliver u should have done a latin and taken advantage of the situation...seen the silver lining as they say...negotiated a rock bottom price...remember he needed it more than u..