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....that men who pay 20 baht to jack off in the bar....
That's very misleading.
The boys don't jack off; they play with themselves or let the customer do it for them.
But they don't cum. No guy is going to cum for 20 baht. It's just cock play.
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However francois accepts that men who pay 20 baht to jack off in the bar are to be commended. Others should/ must reward some boys even if they do not appeal. It was not noticed you doing that. maybe it is your feeling that others, but not you, should.
What about the people who visit the bar to look at the talent or to enjoy the draft beer.Will you bring your rule into force by insisting all bar visitors do so.
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Wombat, I never saw you in any bar, but then, I only saw you once walking in Sunee Plaza.
And you have no idea who I am !
I always tip the bar boyz as a courtesy to them.
As for those who visit the bars and enjoy the beer, so be it, but remember, the boyz are there to earn some money and without some tips and offs there will be no more bars and boyz.
I never mentioned that the boyz "jack themselves off or the farangs jack off" for 20 Baht, that is your spin. You sure have a way of twisting the facts to suit yourself.
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The accepted 'fees' are as follows.
Quick grope. 20 baht.
Drink with boy. 100 baht.
Drink and some good fun with boy. 200 baht.
Boy comes for you. 300 baht.
Other services and prices available on request. Please ask your waiter for today's special.
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arsenal
The accepted 'fees' are as follows.
Quick grope. 20 baht.
Your accepted fees are on the mark although the quick grope category is somewhat discretionary; 20 Baht is common, 40 Baht is not uncommon, and there are some generous chaps who give 100 Baht.
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I was in Winners the other night with my Australian friend and his Thai friend.We were interrupted by his Thai friend "him cum" We all looked across as we were sitting at a side table, and boy was most embarrassed by sudden explosion.
I looked away but the Thai boy kept watching until he left. Him give 20baht,not good.Thai boy was shocked.
No it was not the guy formerly Eros ,who was in attendance .
I think Arsenal figure were out of date .Some ask for a quick look maybe a feel But anything more is overkill.
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lonelywombat
I was in Winners the other night with my Australian friend and his Thai friend.We were interrupted by his Thai friend "him cum" We all looked across as we were sitting at a side table, and boy was most embarrassed by sudden explosion.
Are you sure he hadn't just spilled his margarita?
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frequent
Are you sure he hadn't just spilled his margarita?
If he had been bought a drink at all,it would have been the cheapest
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lonelywombat
If he had been bought a drink at all,it would have been the cheapest
By that I assume you mean the lowest quality, since all drinks are the same price in those sort of bars (so I'm told) so there's no such differential as "expensive"
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lonelywombat
I think Arsenal figure were out of date .Some ask for a quick look maybe a feel But anything more is overkill.
You mean they were to low or too high? Fact is they are correct.
If the customer gave the boy only 20 Baht then he really is a Cheap Charlie.
I have heard similar stories of a customer stiffing a boy in Eros with a meager tip which left the boy in tears.
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francois
Your accepted fees are on the mark although the quick grope category is somewhat discretionary; 20 Baht is common, 40 Baht is not uncommon, and there are some generous chaps who give 100 Baht.
Let's just call a spade a spade:
Apparently you can have a " quick grope" of a boy young enough to be your grandson for 20B or 46 UK pence or half a Euro or 64 US cents
whilst sums of 40B or 92p, 1 Euro, or $1.28 are not uncommon, and positively "generous" sex fiends might splurge 100B or £2.31 or 2.59 Euro or $3.19
Furthermore, even tipping the minimum amounts above gains you the approval of and kudos from two of our esteemed moderators
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An interesting moral point raised most eloquently by Scottish Guy. I'm sure others will take stock of the ethical position regarding prostitution in all its many and varied forms. Thank you for posting.
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scottish-guy
Furthermore, even tipping the minimum amounts above gains you the approval of and kudos from two of our esteemed moderators
What is your suggested tip, scottish-guy? I mean what do you tip in the bars in Pattaya when you are here?
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scottish-guy
Furthermore, even tipping the minimum amounts above gains you the approval of and kudos from two of our esteemed moderators
You're wrong.
The tipping of 20 baht didn't get my "approval" or "kudos." It didn't get my disapproval, either. I purposely refrained from expressing a personal opinion either way. I was merely reporting here what the boys have told me.
At the end of the day, the approval or disapproval of the tip in this case can only be made by the recipients, not an onlooker.
That's what I was reporting on, nothing else.
BTW, I've mentioned previously that my minimum tip is 100 baht, so your assertion that I approve of a 20 baht tip is false.
And SG, you conveniently disregarded the fact that money goes a lot further in Thailand than in the UK, America or Europe.
And if you consider that the average daily wage is apparently 300 baht per day 20 baht doesn't sound so bad at all.
At least from the boys' point of view.
And theirs is the only one that really counts.
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i might be paying too much but if i go into a normal open beer bar , , have a drink an chat to a boy , i tend to leave a tip of 100 for him
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Your question is a little unfair Francois. Scottish guy has been in a loving and monogamous relationship of equals for eight years so it's unlikely he's visited any go go bars and certainly hasn't groped any boy in that time.
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1. Francois, I have never tipped less than 100B and that is without sexual contact in public. Maybe for a boy to sit and talk - with or without a view to making a deal. One thing I would not do is grope/wank/suck lads off in public - as I think it's utterly demeaning for both parties. However, I'm aware there are some people who choose to carry out their low-class, disgusting behaviour in public and then tip a pittance for it - all I am doing is drawing attention to the sleaziness of it and the relative meagreness of a 20B/40B tip.
2. a447 - I was referring to your statement where you (and Arsenal) posted that '20B' guy was tremendously popular. Did I miss a bit where you expressed any disapproval? Since you didn't express any disapproval then I assumed your approval. If it helps, I'll modify my description of your attitude to these goings-on from 'approve' to 'condone'. Is that better for you?
Your assertion that it is only the opinion of the exploited prostitute which counts is breathtaking - no doubt those starving prostitutes in Haiti thought they were getting a good deal from the Oxfam charity workers - but almost everybody else (with the exception of LatintopXXX no doubt) thinks otherwise
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Thank you for your clarification Scottish Guy. It's good to know that morality has not entirely left us in modern society.
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"I assumed..."
Therein lies the problem.
I'm not "approving" or "condoning" anything.
I'm simply stating the boys' point of view, as expressed to me many times over the years.
As for "exploited prostitutes" the guys who I've been seeing on a regular basis over all these years in Bangkok and Pattaya would die laughing if they heard that.
Sure, they are "prostitutes." They'd be the first to admit that. But "exploited"? Hardly.
They are all enjoying the hi-so lifestyle and could have retired from the game years ago and set up a business back home.
I reported earlier that last trip I didn't get to see one of my regulars in Bsngkok - he was in Issan building a huge two-storey house for his parents. And an American customer has bought him a new Ford truck - I also wrote about that in my last report. Last year the same customer took him on a holiday to Japan and another took him to Singapore.
Do you really think he feels "exploited"?
He might even see himself as an astute businessman!
"Your assertion that it is only the opinion of the exploited prostitute which counts is breathtaking "
Again, you've read something into my comment which isn't there. I did not make any assertion whatsoever about prostitutes in general being exploited. I was specifically commenting on the boys' attitude to the customer's 20 baht tips. Nothing more.
Your insinuation regarding my alleged attitude to Oxfam's behaviour in Haiti is disappointing.
Whether or not prostitutes are, by the nature of the job, being exploited is another issue. Perhaps you'd like to start a thread on that topic.
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scottish-guy
1. Francois, I have never tipped less than 100B and that is without sexual contact in public. Maybe for a boy to sit and talk - with or without a view to making a deal. One thing I would not do is grope/wank/suck lads off in public - as I think it's utterly demeaning for both parties. However, I'm aware there are some people who choose to carry out their low-class, disgusting behaviour in public and then tip a pittance for it - all I am doing is drawing attention to the sleaziness of it and the relative meagreness of a 20B/40B tip.
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You are to be commended, SG, for your tipping practices. Having a boy sit with you does warrant a 100+Baht tip. On the other hand giving a 20/40 Baht tip for a fondle, is not disgusting behavior. This is especially true when one visits the bar, night after night, it is simply a reward. The disgusting behavior is those who just sit and gawk and never tip.
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One man's meat etc.....
Francois and I shall have to agree to differ on what is or what is not demeaning behaviour and a447 and I shall have to agree to disagree about what constitutes exploitation
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a447
They are all enjoying the hi-so lifestyle ...
What a rich fantasy life a447 must have if he believes that a bunch of bar prostitutes, however well remunerated, are enjoying "the hi-so lifestyle". Perhaps he could devote a separate post to describing what he conceives the "hi-so" lifestyle to be. At the very least it includes attending cocktail parties where members of the government and descendants of the royal family (known by their honorific "na Ayutthaya" suffix) are to be found. Ask yourself - how likely is that? On the other hand it's merely another example of the unparalleled understanding of Thai culture, society and politics of the Three Stooges who moderate here
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arsenal
An interesting moral point raised most eloquently by Scottish Guy. I'm sure others will take stock of the ethical position regarding prostitution in all its many and varied forms. Thank you for posting.
And the legal position? Like lese majeste, prostitution is illegal in Thailand yet here we have a Forum wholly devoted to celebrating it
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Far be it for me to try and second guess what lies behind Scottish Guy's strong ethical standpoint. But I think he's saying he doesn't go into go go bars because he doesn't want to see "disgusting behaviour" and also because he can't stand to see the young third world sex workers exploitation. As I said, I for one am glad that strong, paternalistic and old fashioned Victorian morals are still to be found in modern society and here on Sawatdee. His outrage does him credit.
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arsenal
Far be it for me to try and second guess what lies behind Scottish Guy's strong ethical standpoint.
Really? Yet you're on the record claiming to know what posters "really" mean when they make cryptic or ambiguous posts. Do make up your mind
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arsenal
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No point in showing us a GIF that shows rhythmic movements - we already know you're a wanker
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I’m not “outraged” in the least - just happen to think that an elderly man who goes along a line of teenage boys standing at the edge of a stage, masturbating and sucking each one in turn in full view, and who tips them 20B, demeans himself and shamelessy exploits each boy.
Further, anybody who regards such behaviour as standard is clearly deluding himself and anybody who says it must be ok because the boys are happy (due to their impecunious circumstances) to accept 20B to be molested in public, just leaves me shaking my head in despair at the lack of insight.
Prostitution will always survive as there will always be a market, and it will always be explotative - I fully accept that - but what we dont have to do is to rub the boys noses in it by behaving shamelessly or approving/condoning/making excuses for those who do
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Thanks for the clarification Scottish Guy. If I understand you correctly it's the age of the customer you find so disgusting. If a younger man does it it's OK. That's an interesting moral viewpoint to take and one that will no doubt attract interest. How old is the acceptable age for this shameless sexual behaviour? What's the cut off point?
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You totally (and probably deliberately) misunderstand - its not the age of the punter per se - I only refer to “elderly” because the particular customer under discussion fits the description.
At no point did I say it would be acceptable if he was (say) 35
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OK so it's the act itself.Thanls for the clarification. The problem with Victorian style morals such as yours is that, commendable as they are, someone has to pay for them. Not the moraliser but the supposed 'victim'. A boy can make several hundred baht a night from these activities and often a lot more. 500 baht is not uncommon. If this behaviour which so appals you is stopped, as you would like it so, how is the money the boys (poor boys as you've stated) receive to be replaced. How will they buy food, pay the rent, feed the kids etc if one of their major sources of income is withdrawn on the whims of a western progressive occasional tourist?
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I assume you have seen this particular guy “in action” as I have?
If so you will have noticed that not all the boys are willing to play his demeaning game - around 50% will come forward to be molested in public whilst the others opt out. Why do you think the others opt-out (assuming it’s not because they are living that hi-so lifestyle we are hearing about and don’t need the money)?
Could it possibly be because they do not regard the activity as some kind of jolly jape as you seem to? That they actually find it humiliating?
As far as I am aware the go-go bars in question do not have a nightly mortality rate of 50% caused by boys starving to death by foregoing their 20B for this particular “activity” and I don’t think my disapproval of it will result in mass hardship as you suggest - not least because things will continue irrespective of my opinion or that of any other “occasional tourist” - and rightly so
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Its not one person doing this. Its most of the customers. Its not 20 baht. Its several hundred baht and it makes the difference beteeen having money and not having it. So where is the replacement money coming from if the activity you find so shocking and offensive ends? This is all about the money?
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arsenal
A boy can make several hundred baht a night from these activities and often a lot more ...
And enjoy "the hi-so lifestyle" according to your fellow Stooge
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“Most of the customers”? Are you sure about that - it seems highly improbable - I myself have only seen one guy behave in this manner - and everybody who regularly frequents Sunee knows who I mean - and whilst I accept that others may now be copying him I’d be surprised if “most” are
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Let's not get sidetracked Scottish Guy. Where is the replacement money coming from?
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scottish-guy
I myself have only seen one guy behave in this manner - and everybody who regularly frequents Sunee knows who I mean...
Just a quick point. I'm referring to the guy originally mentioned by lonelywombat - the guy who turns up in Eros every night.
I've never seen anyone "who goes along a line of teenage boys standing at the edge of a stage, masturbating and sucking each one in turn in full view."
"because they are living that hi-so lifestyle"
I was simply repeating the expression the boys use themselves. And as always, I was referring solely to personal experience, not to other bar boys with whom I have had no interaction.
I don't know what their opinion is on anything. And nor am I aware of the lifestyle they lead.
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The line and sucking thing. Me neither actually a447.
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a447
"because they are living that hi-solifestyle". I was simply repeating the expression the boys use themselves.
I've always thought you were a complete fool a447, but taking what bar boy tells you at face value elevates even your naivety to a whole new level. However it's of a piece with the unparalleled knowledge and understanding of Thai culture, society and history displayed by you and your fellow Stooges in every post the three of you make
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scottish-guy
I’m not “outraged” in the least - just happen to think that an elderly man who goes along a line of teenage boys standing at the edge of a stage, masturbating and sucking each one in turn in full view, and who tips them 20B, demeans himself and shamelessy exploits each boy.
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I do agree with you, SG, in this particular matter. I have only seen this happen in one bar.
And yes, it is demeaning especially so for 20 Baht.
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9623 posts and every one of them ignorant etc etc according to Frequent. Mr Meany.