Re: Reviving Boyztown. What does it take
THe main things people want now is value for money, and thats hard to find now in boys town. Take the cafe royale, toi has been singing there for too long , where in the west would you find a singer in the same place for almost 10 years? Last week i was up near big C (2nd road) and 1 of the open bars had a group playing queen songs, it was full to over flowing, some thing like that should be tried by the cafe. I am not trying to run down the cafe but just compare the prices to the venue in jomtiem, Beer is 140bht in the cafe 120 in venue soda water 100 via 80, no wonder theres hardly any guys in there after midnight, and the venue now has decent shows put on by Ray and Darren, GOOD VALUE., The drink prices are too high in most bars in boys town . Again compare the cafe beer 140 whole sale price 30 to 35 bht , soda water 100 whole sale 10bht, drop the prices and bring in a decent show , then see if people come to watch, and stay for a while instead of having 1 drink and leaving
Re: Reviving Boyztown. What does it take
"But, my Danish friend, you can get all that at home in Denmark (except the low prices!) - as can most tourists from Europe, Australia, USA, Canada etc"
Yes my Scottish friend I know :hello1:
But why not attrac the young crowd born in Thailand, they can be freelancers, no problem for me, who enjoy the "beat", as before, in BT. Why not turn some of the bars in BT into some kind of venue in Pattaya, where the crowd from eg. DJ, Soi 2, in Bangkok is running to every weekend?
Maybe it will not work, but I think someone should think in alternatives.
I know what I can get in Denmark or in Scotland, if it matters, but I can not have the feeling of being in Thailand, all the thai boys, their smooth skin and bodies and the happy feeling of being there.
I just dont think I get value for the money in Boyztown anymore, maybe because I am not a go-go bar person, not even in Panorama.
I dont think I am a Cheap Charlie, but prefer to use my money in Sunee, Bangkok, Chaing Mai and on the boyz.
Re: Reviving Boyztown. What does it take
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Originally Posted by aot87
The main things people want now is value for money . . . Beer is 140bht in the cafe 120 in venue . . .'
Many expats and regular visitors have an Oscars/Panorama membership card, giving them a 10% discount at the Caf├й Royale. However, that still makes the beer 6 baht more at the Caf├й Royale.
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. . . the venue now has decent shows put on by Ray and Darren . . .
That highly subjective statement is an opinion, not a fact.
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Originally Posted by justme
After all the night manager that they hired recently is one of the old dragsters and she will never change nor bring change to Cafe Royale. She can't even change anything but the front sign in front of her bar! She doesnt even fix the step in front of her bar so that people wont fall. Surrounds you with 15 fat ladyboys of ladyboys. Not a handsome MAN amongst them. My opinion.
We are all entitled to our opinion, but please be aware that most of us are physically capable of lifting our feet high enough to clear a step. Furthermore, we don't all want a tattooed baht bus driver up to their armpit in our anus. Although I think it's very kind of you to give them somewhere to ply their trade.
Re: Reviving Boyztown. What does it take
Drop the price of a drink to 99B and boystown revival would def happen
Lets face it if the girly bars can get by on sub 70B drinks - the straight bars can too...
If this is unrealistic - let the fist drink be sub 150, and 2nd and subsquent drinks 100-120B
Boy drinks 100B always
Re: Reviving Boyztown. What does it take
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Originally Posted by aot87
The main things people want now is value for money . . . Beer is 140bht in the cafe 120 in venue . . .'
Many expats and regular visitors have an Oscars/Panorama membership card, giving them a 10% discount at the Caf├й Royale. However, that still makes the beer 6 baht more at the Caf├й Royale.
PinkSilom, it's not about ex-pats. Ex-pats won't grow the market -they're already here and are going nowhere except the grave (sorry guys). And anyway - Unkie lets them get boozed up for 99B I believe.
Your average 2 week tourist won't benefit from the Discount card unless they are a raging alcoholic in which case they probably don't know what they are paying anyway. Frankly I'd be surprised if the Discount Card is widely used. Across the board price cuts are what is necessary to stem the haemorrhage of regular visitors and attract others back from Sunee and elsewhere.
I agree with your other 2 points wholeheartedly and deprecate the attack on David at LCR. He is one of the nicest guys you could meet and it is solely down to HIM that LCR gets much of its trade - go back 2 years and it was nigh on empty, that's how run-down it had got. As for the entertainment, there may well be contractual issues preventing the wholesale changes suggested.
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Re: Reviving Boyztown. What does it take
Scottish Guy said
PinkSilom, it's not about ex-pats. Ex-pats won't grow the market -they're already here and are going nowhere except the grave (sorry guys). And anyway - Unkie lets them get boozed up for 99B I believe.
Your average 2 week tourist won't benefit from the Discount card unless they are a raging alcoholic in which case they probably don't know what they are paying anyway. Frankly I'd be surprised if the Discount Card is widely used. Across the board price cuts are what is necessary to stem the haemorrhage of regular visitors and attract others back from Sunee and elsewhere.
I agree with your other 2 points wholeheartedly and deprecate the attack on David at LCR. He is one of the nicest guys you could meet and it is solely down to HIM that LCR gets much of its trade - go back 2 years and it was nigh on empty, that's how run-down it had got. As for the entertainment, there may well be contractual issues preventing the wholesale changes suggested.
Scottish guy, I think you are wrong in your statement. When Mick was running LCR at night it was often busy. All i see that David has brought to LCR is
sod all. If i was Craig I would be looking at changing the management and entertainment. Bring someone with a bit of life, that will know what to do to get the customers back.
Maybe table top dancing, not gogos but sexy dancers, with a good DJ and let freelancers in. Drop the prices a little and your be laughing all the way to the bank :alc:
Re: Reviving Boyztown. What does it take
I think you may have misunderstood what I meant - maybe I didn't express it well:
In its heyday LCR was very busy - specifically when Ian and Robbie were around - but that ended 3 or 4 years ago I'm afraid. Going back 2 or 3 years it was dead as a dodo, the food was awful and the whole place was depressing.
David has made an improvement over that sorry state - in my opinion only . I am not saying LCR is as busy as in its heyday (where is?) - I'm saying it is better now than the depths of 2/3/4 years ago when it was truly awful, with inedible food, 20 watt light bulbs which meant you couldn't see the bloody menu, and just a place really you would only go if you wallowed in self-pity and wanted to feel depressed.
Yes, it's not ideal, I agree. The entertainment is repetitive but he can still fill the place when he has his theme nights. Maybe his hands are tied to an extent, that's the impression I get.
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Re: Reviving Boyztown. What does it take
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Originally Posted by lonelywombat
Years ago when I used to have early evening drinks , in Serene, My lLfe or Panorama the thai food carts used to set up shop where Madam Jim parkes her truck and the rest of the space packed with bikes.
I appreciate that Ambience,Cafe Royale and even Street life would not be happy if they were to return, but watching the bar boys eating from these stalls was always an eye candy moment, and at times I have had a snack from them as well. Later in the evening I would usually buy an off a snack from these stalls and he either ate there or with me in My Way or Serene. I think Panorama did not allow.
But the street is empty and folorn. Maybe the activity and the availabliity of Thai snacks for beer bar patrons and their boys is a way to make things busier. These stands would not seriously be considered as competition for the 3 restaurants. Anything that brings and keeps more people in soi 3 has to be looked at.
Wow! i am sure they really appreciatd your 25 baht contribution to the food stalls, and no doubt your 70 baht for the one drink that no doubt lasted you all evening, maybe you should have taken your "off"to Bruno's, Mata Hari or Mantra?
Re: Reviving Boyztown. What does it take
Regarding the 2 singers , i belive both of them have long term contracts fixed by mike when he was in charge, these would have to be terminated to allow a change
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Originally Posted by aot87
Regarding the 2 singers , i belive both of them have long term contracts fixed by mike when he was in charge, these would have to be terminated to allow a change
You have hit the nail on the head dear
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