And also the end of the boys drink tips....
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Arsenal is correct about watching the guys from across the soi. When I have a beer on my own while P is having one of his two hour showers before dinner, I always choose an empty-ish bar near a full-ish one. I like to see the guys interact; and you see more of their personalities than when you are sitting in their bars.
Of course, nothing compares to Panorama circa 1997 when a seat at the front provided rich entertainment as the go go guys sauntered past on their way to work and hosts teased and petted each other....but the Complex certainly has its charms.
As for a447's remark, I recall being in Toyboys at about 2300 on a quiet night when there were only seven or so dancers. A falang entered and bought drinks for five them. They sat next to him , chatted with each other and played with mobiles. The four or so falangs were left with a choice of two dancers. My ungenerous interpretation of this sort of behaviour is that the falang is showing-off rather than being kind to the dancers. After all, they are possibly losing an off.
I once visited Corner Bar in Sunee. There were about 5 boys sat with 2 German customers drinking & the remaining 2 boys or so were definitely not my type. I think the boy got 100 baht each from this.
I would have been more interested in activities worthy of a tip in excess of 1000, but by the time they'd finished, I'd already decided to move on as well. Besides, I get better results with boys who have consumed less alcohol.
Go to Winner early in the evening and half the boys would be typically sat with 2~3 farang at the far end of the bar. Less than a quarter of them will be on stage. Later on, when the owner's left, so no one is cracking the whip, there might be as many as 15 boys on the premises and none of them on stage or with customers.
It's not just where one farang buys the drinks that things go wrong.
There's one bar in Jomtien where I have seen groups of Asians drinking amongst themselves, groups of farang drinking amongst themselves and at times, not a single case of the two groups mixing. The bar directly across the soi shows how it should be done. The boys circulate & keep an eye out for customers eyeing them up & say hello if there's obvious interest. That's how host bars should work.
I once went into Nature Boys Bangkok. The two boys got up, but were back to playing with their phones before my drink arrived. As they were not keeping their side of the unwritten bargain, I made a quick exit before the drink arrived.
Of course, in the majority of bars, sufficient organisation exists for things to function properly. And if not, there is always a phone app.
What you have written is terrible. We have a constructive thread and you try to derail it with more crude insults. Also way off topic.
Just a couple more sackings are needed for this forum to complete the journey from being a zoo to a place that's civilized, yet still has some banter.
Note to moderators: You have my blessing to delete this post, as long as the preceding one goes as well.
Some farangs are a difficult bunch to please and some in particular are very precious. While a few here have complained about bar staff ignoring them, there are probably just as many or more who will complain about boys who approach them without being invited. It's considered rude to start approaching a customer even before his drink is served and normally the staff would make small talk as they serve the drink to you. If a customer is interested in a particular boy, he can always invite him over and buy him a drink. Bear in mind that the more seasoned boys can be very good at reading body language and can tell a stand-offish customer when they see one and thus would leave him alone. It's also not considered inappropriate in commercial bar culture to ask a mamasan or captain whether a boy seated in a group (whether with a customer or not) is available to sit with you. The captain/mamasan woud make the necessary and discreet enquiries on your behalf.
I've seen farangs who get upset when a boy that they're interested in "offing" has not fallen heads over heels in love with them during that first drink and others who rudely wave boys who are not their "type" away for simply saying hi or making bonhomie. It takes two to tango and it usually takes time to build up that chemistry what more when there's a huge linguistic, cultural and age barrier between the parties. The complexities of human interaction and contact can't be reduced to a number, statistic or formula.
Goji wrote:
One of the main problems is that whilst the customers see the bar as a place for the guys to work, some of the guys see it as a place to party.Quote:
It's not just where one farang buys the drinks that things go wrong.
This was evident at Neal's old Bar, Happy Place. When he was there keeping an eye on things, all was ok. But as soon as he left or if he took a night off, the customers were ignored - we couldn't even order a drink - while the guys raided the bar and then sat outside drinking all the profits.
Not exactly what the pink dollars want!
a447 wrote.
"the customers were ignored"
Not just Pattaya bars. 20 yeats ago i went into La Mamounia in Marrakesh for a coffee. 20 minutes passed and no one came to ask me what I wanted to order. So i left.
Posters who remember the gay guides like "Men of Thailand" know that the the writers usually identified those bars in which the guys approached customers and those where they didn't.
In Pattaya in those days, go-go dancers in the smaller, more twinkish places did, while those in the larger bars like BBB , A Bomb and Toy Boys didn't. At least, that's my recollection.