Re: My Experiences in HERO and Tawan Aug 2012
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Originally Posted by nescool
Let me ask you if you meet a boy on street, and he said i work for XXX bar, will you tell him, hey take me to your bar and let me pay your boss, simply because you worked there everyday....
Meeting a boy by chance in the street is a different thing totally.
What you did was meet the boy at the sex venue where he's employed - (whether it's a massage shop or a gogo or whatever) - the venue facilitated the meeting and/or arrangement, so you pay the Boss.
If you stumble over a boy in the street who happens to work in a sex venue then of course you don't pay the venue - as the venue did not facilitate the meeting/arrangement.
I accept that you say you did not "misbehave" intentionally - but those are (I believe) the generally accepted rules!
Re: My Experiences in HERO and Tawan Aug 2012
Scots you do get the bit that on the second visit he did ( if I'm reading it right) off the guy, pay the required fee, go to the venues short time room, had his fun, paid the guy, concluded all business and only THEN when everyone was paid their required rates ( including the boos) he asked the guy would he be interested in joining him the next morning outside of bar working hours at the OPs hotel as it was cleaner / better suited for the OP etc?
Whilst I get that go go bar owners may say " ah I should still get my cut no matter what as he met him on my premises in the first place" but I would think perhaps most reasonable minded people might be of the same opinion as the Op in that he'd paid his fair and full whack to the bar for that nights service and anything after hours over and above that would be between him and the guy.......perhaps others would disagree about that but I think as he DID pay the full whack required during his visit it's a fine line just how far one can and should be expected to go down that road on them re paying the bar for every and any meeting thereafter perhaps. As if he happened to have met him at a food stall an hour later would be STILL be expected to return to the bar to pay up even though the guy was at work the next day as normal ?
Again it would be different if he was offing him again the next day during bar hours etc but I'm surmising in this case it was simply a short time deal before the guy started work hence it was solely in his own time and at the guys own discretion. As others have said it might be interesting to hear Neals (retired) professional opinion on this one as whilst I may not have been just so forward to have asked for the guys number in the bar as that's such a red rag to a bull to bar owners ( quite rightly most times) if he'd of met him outside etc I think it's fair enough to all parties ? Neal - what do you think ??
Re: My Experiences in HERO and Tawan Aug 2012
NIrish Guy and OP - I actually missed that the deed was done on the premises and everyone was paid what was due, so apologies to the OP. I've never tried to arrange out of hours service so won't comment on that aspect.
(btw, NIrish - please use shorter sentences - you're posts are getting hard to follow - but always worth the effort :notworthy:
Re: My Experiences in HERO and Tawan Aug 2012
In a word - no :-) as half my posts are banged out on my phone while I'm in the middle of doing something else if I was to sit and compose every word and or ask everyone to write as I might like I'd be here all day - so i guess the rule of "if people don't like it" ( and I know some / many dont) they should of course simply ignore my posts and move on - and theres no offence intended there by the way I'm just being honest at the level of effort I'm prepared to invest on an Internet message board I guess - and rightly or wrongly that's the way of it I'm afraid, just take bigger breath, you'll be FINE honestly :-) but thank you for the positive comments too. :-)
Re: My Experiences in HERO and Tawan Aug 2012
Yes, I do get the fact that the OP paid for his fun - and of course that's as it should be, and I can have no issue with that. He paid his money and he got the service. Fine.
However the fact remains that whilst on the premises he then privately arranged a "return fixture", to take place in his hotel the next day. In those circumstances I feel he is technically liable to pay an off fee (or whatever you want to call it) and should (at the very least) clear this with the boss so as to avoid any dispute.
It becomes a case of where do you draw the line - are people saying it's OK because he made the arrangement immediately after he had paid for a session? I'm sure if he had gone into the premises to make the arrangement with the boy for a "hotel visit" the following day or a week later, you'd all be saying he has to pay.
Surely it's the principle of the thing, not the timing of it.
Now if he had bumped into the same boy "off-duty" in the street or on the beach on another day, then I think that's fair enough - but they way I see it - when you make arrangements in a whorehouse (of whatever designation - bar, massage) you pay the Madame!!
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Re: My Experiences in HERO and Tawan Aug 2012
Oh after reading newalans post I must confess I didn't register it was a massage place and not a go go which in that case in my view ABSOLUTELY wipes out any requirement for an off fee or any further form of payment to the premises fir work undertaken outside of office hours - never in a million years would I even dream of paying that- and I don't honestly think it would even be expected by the massage shop owner if truth be told !
Re: My Experiences in HERO and Tawan Aug 2012
I'm sorry NIrish, I don't see how that comes into it at all - there has been no suggestion that the massage boy's shift was finished just because he had serviced the OP on the premises :dontknow:
If the boy was still "on duty" - and nothing has been said to the contrary - then I would have thought he ought not to be available for private arrangements without an off fee or a "takeaway fee" (talk about splitting hairs!) being due.
Yes the boy can do or arrange whatever he likes off-duty but I would suggest that he can not make those private arrangements while still on-duty
If the OP subsequently bumps into him in the street then fair enough - nothing payable.
However, I am open to other views.
Re: My Experiences in HERO and Tawan Aug 2012
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Originally Posted by NIrish Guy
Oh after reading newalans post I must confess I didn't register it was a massage place and not a go go which in that case in my view ABSOLUTELY wipes out any requirement for an off fee or any further form of payment to the premises fir work undertaken outside of office hours - never in a million years would I even dream of paying that- and I don't honestly think it would even be expected by the massage shop owner if truth be told !
[deleted], Alternative opinions are necessary sometimes, especially when that mod is unnecessarily arguementative with new posters as well as wrong.
A takeaway fee is only necessary when the boy is actually taken away it's not an off fee it's a takeaway massage....the hint is in the name.......during his working hours only. No one said the boys shift was finished after servicing the customer(OP) things are being made up as 'they' go along. The boy is obviously available for private arrangements outwith his working hours. Takeaway fees are only applicable during his working hours. I mean just how difficult is that to take in? [deleted]
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Re: My Experiences in HERO and Tawan Aug 2012
Clearly the OP said that he met the boy ON THE PREMISES of the massage place and during working hours that he did not like the room and asked for the boys number to meet him later at his hotel room. The boy should have been fired and the customer asked not to return. Look guys you know the opinion of bar owners which is the same as massage parlors and many other businesses. Don't go into these places and ask for their phone numbers if they are working to secretly meet them afterwards and cheat people who work hard for their working staff to keep you company when all you really whish to do is to cheat the place. Go to the beach! Walk along somewhere and find someone. Dont go into these places to meet people and sneak away with their phone numbers.
I guess if it were really correct and OK, why did you not ask for his phone number right in front of the boss if you thought for one second it was ok?
And Newalaan: When you write very nasty rude and insulting posts, I will not get involved and reverse decisions that your posts disappear. You can make your point without talking down to people and if you cant....
Re: My Experiences in HERO and Tawan Aug 2012
I think that the MODS that run this forum really need to start reading the threads before coming down on some of the well respected posters on the board...
The OP had sex with the boy in the massage shop and declined to return there a 2nd time. He subsequentally arranged to meet the boy in the boys own time at his hotel.
The masseur is not an indentured servant and des not belong to pimp outside of working hours
It is sad to see that the pattaya bitch forum is even more popular than sawatdee these days... so many posters have been run off of this forum.