...elderly...what a cheek...they are only in their early 50's...
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...elderly...what a cheek...they are only in their early 50's...
1. There are thousands of different chemicals from a burning cigarette derived from the tobacco as well as the rolled paper etc. One can never be certain that nicotine is the beneficial component.
2 Dr Miyara made the observation on Chinese patients at the Paris hospital. How big was the sample size?What about Caucasian patient samples?
3. Has the observation gone beyond the hypothetical phase and general observation and headcount?
4. You need to subscribe to read the remaining 88% of the article. Parsimony is in the French blood.
Here's an article in English about this french study: https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ng-coronavirus
I doubt the efficacy here - perhaps a case of wishful thinking or simply clutching at straws.
If this were true, Covid has a macabre sense of humor.
It is too early to tell at this point, but it is statistically relevant.
Just a few weeks ago, newspapers published that smokers were 14 times more at risk, based on a very limited Chinese study (three smokers in the test group). At least the french study is more credible.
In the part of the article posted it says they found the number of smokers among patients lower than expected.
Nicotine is a poison, and there have been cases from babies/children dying after eating cigarettes.
It might indeed be the cases that some substance in cigarette smoke is more harmful to the virus than to human.
When this was published published (below), I thought it was strange that the percentage of current smokers ending up in ICU is lower than the percentage of former smokers.
Perhaps lung damage + presence of nicotine is better for covid resistance than lung damage + no presence of nicotine ? [That's pure speculation]
I suspect the tobacco industry is involved in this data manipulation.
This seems like a demonstration of just how toxic smoking is!
Yes smoking....and injecting yourself with bleach....all good!
Surfcrest
I think Latin is referring to the drug dealers, rapists, murderers, money launderers, muggers and robbers who make up the majority of prison populations. I don't think he's talking about the speed limit breakers, prostitute hirers, literers and non helmet wearing motorcyclists Francois.
There are quite a few Thais for whom a particular poster "doesn't give a shit" and they include decent young men from usually impoverished backgrounds who are trying to earn an honest living entertaining us. Sadly, occasionally they have the misfortune to meet-up with a falang for whom they are worthless individuals , ripe for screwing in every sense of the word.
I wouldn't expect him to "give a shit" about offenders whom humane societies send to prison as (rather than "for") punishment, preferring the Victorian view of Charles Dickens in the character of Joe Gargery in "Great Expectations" to run-away prisoner Magwitch... a paraphrase." You are welcome to our food . We don't know what it is you have done but we wouldn't want you to starve because of it, would we Pip."
...oh stop beating that tired old socialist drum...as if Thais are a naive sheltered lot...they practically invented sex...the craziest live fuck shows I've seen have been in Thailand...have u ever visited Thai porn sites???...kinda arrogant to think that u the all knowing westerner r in a position to teach them...lol...
Today, I highlight one report from the Bangkok Post, an article from The Times from April 29, 2020 with the results of a YouGov survey in the UK. Do you find them surprising? An updated selected extract from the worldometer website, one report from The Guardian of April 30, 2020 and an article from The Sunday Times of April 26, 2020:
For the full report see: https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand...s-cases-sundayQuote:
Thailand reports 3 new coronavirus cases Sunday
published : 3 May 2020 at 12:21
updated: 3 May 2020 at 13:42
writer: Reuters
Thailand reported three new coronavirus cases and no new deaths on Sunday, as the country started lifting restrictions on some businesses and aspects of life.
The new infections marked the lowest number since early March, just before the country started reporting clusters and tolls started rising.
Thailand has seen a total of 2,969 coronavirus cases and 54 deaths since the outbreak began in January . . .
Below are the survey results from The Times, do they correspond with your views?
For the full report see: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/p...hows-55f620fz7Quote:
Public against swift coronavirus reopening, poll shows
Francis Elliott, Political Editor
Wednesday April 29 2020, 12.01am, The Times
Public caution over easing the coronavirus lockdown is underlined by a poll which indicates that more than a quarter of people do not want any restrictions lifted even if the government concludes it is safe.
Boris Johnson is expected to give details this week of progress against the five tests he has set before the government starts “refining” social-distancing measures. The most demanding is the need to avoid a second wave of infection that would overwhelm the NHS.
Mr Johnson will not set out specific measures under consideration until shortly before a May 7 deadline for parliamentary approval for the lockdown to continue.
Among measures being lined up for the first wave of adjustments are increasing the number of shops to open, allowing households to combine and restarting some sports.
A YouGov survey for The Times found that 28 per cent of people do not want any aspect of the lockdown eased even if all five tests have been met. Other options attract modest support: 22 per cent want more shops open and only 11 per cent want schools to be reopened. Only 4 per cent want the lockdown lifted entirely, according to the survey . . .
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https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
Having just updated the above table from worldometer, it is worth considering the value of comparing death rates with other countries and this is exactly what is discussed in the following article by Professor Sir David Spiegelhalter in The Guardian of April 30, 2020, which some members may have missed:
For the full article see: https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ther-countriesQuote:
Coronavirus deaths: how does Britain compare with other countries?
David Spiegelhalter
It’s tempting to try to construct a league table, but we’ll have to wait months, if not years, for the true picture
Thu 30 Apr 2020 14.56 BST Last modified on Sat 2 May 2020 10.30 BST
At prime minister’s questions on Wednesday, Keir Starmer said he had added up a total of 27,241 coronavirus deaths so far, leaving the UK “possibly on track to have the worst death rate in Europe”.
Is he right? Unfortunately, measuring the impact of the virus is a fiendishly complex task. It’s nothing like keeping score in a game. Starmer, as a lawyer, would know that we have to define our terms carefully. And so, assuming we want to make a comparison based on death rates, we first need to decide what a death rate is.
You would think it would be easy for a bean-counting statistician to count deaths – the one certain thing (apart from taxes). But it is remarkably difficult. I have stopped taking much notice of the number given out at the daily press conferences, as it is only based on reports from hospitals, oscillates wildly around weekends, and recently included deaths that occurred a month ago. And this week the number of UK deaths jumped up by nearly 5,000 to 26,097 in one day – rather close to Starmer’s count – by retrospectively including non-hospital deaths that had tested positive for the virus . . .
Also looking at the above table, over the last few weeks I found myself wondering why Vietnam was showing such a significant difference in Covid-19 infections and deaths compared with the UK despite having a greater population. The following article from The Sunday Times of April 26, 2020 offers an explanation:
For the full report see: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/Quote:
Coronavirus: turn the second wave into a ripple and we may stay afloat
As countries that locked down more quickly than Britain start to ease curbs against Covid 19, the danger of a new flood of infections increases
Tony Allen-Mills and Andrew Gregory
Sunday April 26 2020, 12.01am, The Sunday Times
The mobile phones of millions of Vietnamese users of a messaging app named Zalo started buzzing this month with an urgent alert from the ministry of health in Hanoi. Anyone who had visited the Lucky Star gym in the Me Linh district of Hanoi between 6.30am and 8am during a 10-day period in March was instructed to self-isolate immediately and to contact their local authorities.
The recipients of the message knew exactly what it meant: someone who had been using the gym had tested positive for the coronavirus. The government embarked on a nationwide effort to trace that person’s every contact during the period he or she would have been likely to infect others.
If it seems barely credible that a national health service in a country of 97 million people should be able to focus its resources on the gym-going habits of a single citizen, that is exactly what Vietnam has been doing on a near-daily basis for much of the past three months. Television bulletins feature warnings about the potentially infectious activities of individual coronavirus patients. Recent video clips posted on YouTube discussed the travel records of patient No 237 and, soon afterwards, No 243.
In Britain, lockdown measures were introduced in late March after 8,000 cases had been confirmed. It took only eight cases to spur Hanoi into action in late January. Vietnam had suffered through several previous epidemics that crossed its northern border from China. It had learnt to take no chances . . .
And once again, to lighten the mood, I repost an image first posted on facebook:
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So as being discussed above re Vietnam and the UK / Thailand not perhaps using the same intense efforts re the tracing of individuals on a Country wide basis etc just so much, so DOES anyone know why is there is SUCH a difference in the UK Covid death rate ( 26000 and counting) compared to Thailand (54 - and counting ?) - its such a massive gap between those two numbers, anyone care to speculate why ?
One obvious answer of course could be a lack of reporting / telling the truth from the Thai authorities ( as if they'd do THAT even! ) but with SUCH a large numerical difference it's hard to believe even they could manipulate the numbers in such a fashion?
My Thai friends are almost gloating at that fact and are scarily starting to think that is was "never such a big deal as it was made out to be' and " no need for everyone to lose job" and that "Thai people stronger, can survive everything better than farang" - and the trouble is with just 54 deaths Country wide there it's actually hard to argue the point with them other than saying "let's hope you're right" and they haven't still worse to come ?
Perhaps it's the spicy food.*
* Slightly tongue in cheek but an enzyme in pineapple 'kills' gelatin so you can't make a pineapple jelly. However, if you add chilli then that kills the enzyme and the jelly will set.
Here's my speculation:
1 Case numbers are possibly understated in Thailand due to lack of testing. As for deaths, does Thailand have a robust mechanism for recording the causes of death and counting all the Covid deaths ? Also, even in western countries, reporting standards and ways of counting deaths vary. Some count everyone who dies WITH Covid-19 as a Covid-19 death, even if they may have died from something else and/or been about to keel over anyway.
2 It's possible that transmission of the virus is reduced in higher temperature situations. Although, I believe that's NOT the case for other coronaviruses.
3 Wearing of face masks has been more common in Thailand. Now WHO and medical advice on this seem mixed, but:
(i) Our authorities insist on mask wearing in hospital, so that implies masks have a benefit against airborne transmission.
(ii) The UK has a 2m social distancing recommendation. Now, if you think about that, it HAS to be for airborne transmission, as if there was no airborne transmission, the advice would just be not to touch people etc.
(iii) One by one, more countries are recommending masks. Even Singapore was late to that one.
(iv) There are scientific papers covering the subject of the virus lingering in the air on other particles.
4 I've seen reports of many different strains of the virus, some of which are more severe than others. This could influence country to country results.
Nirish, just look at any other hot countries. Thailand’s neighbours Laos, Cambodia and Vietnam have had zero deaths.
Then look at the time of year that this started. Right in the middle of the European winter.
Australia and New .zealand have had relatively few cases, again right in the middle of their summer and the height of the tourist season. So plenty of people to transport it to them. Few cases.
Should Thailand be congratulated? Some on the other board think so, I’m not so sure. They are lucky with their climate.
Now look at the UK. What was the advice? If you thought you had symptoms stay indoors for a week. Didn’t get better have another week. Anyone else in the house gets it...same same.
Didn’t do Boris any good did it? He stayed in for a week then 2 or 3 days later found himself in intensive care and nearly died. Prime fucking example wasn’t it?
It really fucking annoys me. We were all totally ignored by the National Health. No tests, not allowed to go to a hospital. Instructed not to go to your GP. No real help at all. Any other illness you are ALWAYS instructed to get EARLY treatment.
No wonder we are headed to the highest death rate in Europe.
Rant over ...
You need also to consider the percentage of the population that lives in urban communities where the spread of the virus is easier. Public travel (such as underground trains) must be particularly dangerous.
Much of Thailand is rural and, in these areas, shopping is mainly done in the open, in markets. Shopping in confined spaces, particularly with the sealing that a/c requires, means that one cough is more likely to spread droplets to more people..
For obvious reasons, I've been anxiously following reports from the Kamphaeng Phaet area and they are reassuring. Nevertheless, everyone is wearing masks, I'm told, and the rural community I'm most concerned about is very isolated. It's a long way to the nearest Big C.
The number of deaths in US and UK care homes and in Singapore's overcrowded foreign worker hostels are instructive in this respect.
Wai-ing is healthier than shaking hands!
One of the big problems with accurate reporting, no matter which country you’re talking about, is with how infectious this disease is and the risks tied to testing infected people. It made more sense in many cases simply to tell people to stay home and isolate if they had non severe symptoms or, as with the case with many long term care facilities, that it was already too late to test. In the initial stages, people’s deaths were being attributed to natural causes or other things...especially in areas where health care was sparse or nonexistent.
Surfcrest
Alex Jones seems to have taken over many a gay guy's thinking that rimming was "ours" and nothing but "ours".
The virus has taken over every cell of the man's brain ... as little there was.
Ahhh America :crazy_mini:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvAwq9JCO5A
heh, Alex Jones? He thinks there's a government conspiracy to turn the frogs gay. Take a look:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tVrntKgdN0
I was not aware of any Thai nasal cleaning besides nose-picking:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/hea...OJi?li=BBnb7Kz
Nettle pots? They use a nose-hose much like a bum gun?
Several Pattaya gay bars in Jomtian and Boyztown are still doing their bit to help feed hungry people in the community as can be seen in their latest Facebook posts. It seems that the effects of this pandemic will be seen for many months to come. I wish them well.
Great pics! Sadly these lines of folks waiting for food have become a familiar sight throughout Pattaya.
and certainly the meals run out before the line of people ends...
hardly enough calories in one of those meals to offset
waiting in line for so long.
Little less calories won't hurt. Boys in Pattaya already started to look too chubby
Just be thankful that you are not in that situation, Philex.
The situation: https://pattayaone.news/pattaya-is-f...meless-people/
Bars allowed to open sooner if case count stays low
Pubs, bars and entertainment venues will be allowed to reopen in the coming weeks if the daily count of new virus cases stays in single digits, the government’s Centre for Covid-19 Situation Administration (CCSA) announced on Tuesday (May 19).
CCSA spokesman Dr Taweesin Visanuyothin said the number of shoppers surged on Sunday as low-risk and moderate-risk businesses (listed “white” and “green”, respectively) reopened as second-phase restrictions were eased and the ThaiChana contact-tracing platform was deployed. He added that social distancing improved on Monday.
Dr Taweesin said “red” businesses (medium to high risk) would be allowed to reopen in the fourth phase of relaxation, depending on the daily case count.
He reported that the Covid-19 situation is improving, with new daily cases dropping to single digits for the past 22 days. The CCSA will assess the situation every 14 days. If the single-digit trend continues, reopening of “red” businesses is likely to come faster, he added.
Taweesin emphasised that everyone should keep their guard high to maintain the low infection rate, which would help everyday life return and boost customers’ confidence in “red” businesses.
Source: https://www.nationthailand.com/news/30388123
At least they weren’t told to “stay alert, but stay home, unless you can go to work, but if you can work from home then don’t go to work, unless you can go to work then don’t stay home, go to work, unless you’re staying home and not at work!”
Hmmm.... wonder if I will get my July visit it....don’t mind 14 days solitary when I get back to UK. That’s life here anyway!
You're a braver man than I am Gunga Din !
A friend has JUST made it back to his own Country after 7 weeks and 5 failed flights and ended up on a rescue flight as the only way to get home. personally I dont think I'd be rushing anywhere for a while yet until things calm down a bit - especially where in Thailand those that must be obeyed seem to be making such sweeping and instant decisions about closing airports etc, but yeah maybe you're right, maybe be July we'll all look back on this as a distant dream ! I'm meant to be in Paris in June but as of just today I chinned that trip too bookings wise ( as Im not sure it's even POSSIBLE to go there just now :-(. )