Re: New bar opened in old Topman,the Scotland Discussion
Some months ago I was sceptical about an ind Scotland remaining in sterling and you were adamant that it could not be prevented from doing so.
TODAY no lesser personage than Mark Carey, governor of the Bank of England declared that Scotland could not keep sterling because it would be "incompatible with sovereignty"
Don't shoot me as a mere messenger please.
Re: New bar opened in old Topman,the Scotland Discussion
Me son is over in the Old Country at the moment and he called me up the other night. He said theyd had a vote down at his pub after some of the folks their made some speeches. The YES vote won about 70% to 30%.
Re: New bar opened in old Topman,the Scotland Discussion
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Originally Posted by thaiguest
...no lesser personage than Mark Carey, governor of the Bank of England declared that Scotland could not keep sterling because it would be "incompatible with sovereignty. Don't shoot me as a mere messenger please.
Not shooting you but you have misheard/misinterpreted - what Carney is saying is that a Currency Union between iScotland and rUK would, in his view, be "incompatible with sovereignty". This is because rUK would inevitably demand controls over iScotland's fiscal policies etc. - therefore iScotland would have to (in his words) "cede some sovereignty". Given that Scotland has zero sovereignty right now, that seems acceptable as a short-term measure.
What Carney specifically did not say, is that iScotland could not use the ┬г sterling!
This can done outside of formal currency union, is known as "sterlingisation", and was conceded on live TV by the leader of the Unionist campaign, no lesser personage than former UK Chancellor of the Exchequer, Alastair Darling.
That is the point I was making and to which you refer. Even the dogs in the street know this is the Scottish Govts "Plan B"
It's our ┬г as much as it's the rest of the UK's ┬г, and we're keeping it.
BrisbaneGuy - it certainly wont be 70/30 (I wish) - what we have seen in the past few days is the entire co-ordinated might of the British establishment being unleashed against the YES campaign, with favours being called in from big business to tell us how shite we are. I will settle for 50.1%
Re: New bar opened in old Topman,the Scotland Discussion
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BrisbaneGuy - it certainly wont be 70/30 (I wish) - what we have seen in the past few days is the entire co-ordinated might of the British establishment being unleashed against the YES campaign, with favours being called in from big business to tell us how shite we are.
Well it was in a London pub and the YES vote was based on "Pleased to get rid of them" I hear.
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I will settle for 50.1%
A great way to start a new country 49.9% of people against you.
Re: New bar opened in old Topman,the Scotland Discussion
BrisbaneGuy,
Firstly - iScotland would not be a "new" country - we've been around since well before Australians arrived off the prison ship, and were independent for several hundred years before some powerful people were bribed to sell us down the river.
Secondly - ethnic Londoners would be pleased to get rid of anybody who doesn't live within a 30 mile radius. You will hear them say exactly the same about people from the North of England. They're a pretty intolerant bunch, not at all the friendly, singing chimney-sweeps you saw in Mary Poppins, dear.
Thirdly - if the UK is so wonderful, when will Australia be proposing to rejoin mother England? Do let me know so we can send some of OUR politicians over during the campaign to tell Australians what they ought to do.
Fourthly - funnily enough, it seems that self-determination is a "good thing" for everybody except the Scots. Even the Americans whose former President, Woodrow Wilson (maternal grandparents both Scottish) so vociferously expounded the principle of S-D have given us their tuppence-worth with Obama having had his balls squeezed by Cameron and provided with suitable pro-Union rhetoric to mouth.
Finally - it seems rather curious that you seem to regard a minority ~35% of the vote as a sufficient democratic mandate for Tony Blair to sanction the murder of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, yet a majority 50.1% of the vote for independence would be sneered at.
I think you have a few opinions you need to think through.
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Firstly - iScotland would not be a "new" country - we've been around since well before Australians arrived off the prison ship, and were independent for several hundred years before some powerful people were bribed to sell us down the river.
Having a chip on your should is not a cahearant philosophy.
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Secondly - ethnic Londoners would be pleased to get rid of anybody who doesn't live within a 30 mile radius. You will hear them say exactly the same about people from the North of England. They're a pretty intolerant bunch, not at all the friendly, singing chimney-sweeps you saw in Mary Poppins, dear.
So? Are Scots? Not from what I see you right.
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Thirdly - if the UK is so wonderful, when will Australia be proposing to rejoin mother England? Do let me know so we can send some of OUR politicians over during the campaign to tell Australians what they ought to do.
Australia done share a contiguarse boarder with England.
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Fourthly - funnily enough, it seems that self-determination is a "good thing" for everybody except the Scots. Even the Americans whose former President, Woodrow Wilson (maternal grandparents both Scottish) so vociferously expounded the principle of S-D have given us their tuppence-worth with Obama having had his balls squeezed by Cameron and provided with suitable pro-Union rhetoric to mouth.
Self determination is a illusion you still end up with politicians running things there snouts in the troff.
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Finally - it seems rather curious that you seem to regard a minority ~35% of the vote as a sufficient democratic mandate for Tony Blair to sanction the murder of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, yet a majority 50.1% of the vote for independence would be sneered at.
I am very pleased to here that Scots will be able to decide in 5 years from now to stop being independent which is what basing an argument on the transistery nature of elections does.
I think you have a few prejudices you need to think through.
Re: New bar opened in old Topman,the Scotland Discussion
Are you dyslexic, or just retarded?
No offence.
Re: New bar opened in old Topman,the Scotland Discussion
Hold the front page! Scotty has discovered The Facts Of Life.
1. Capitalist enterprises act in their own self-interest and speak up when they believe those interests are threatened. They also engage in what economists call rent seeking
2. Parliamentary democracy means that when you elect a government you entrust it to act in what it sees as the national interest and you may not like the decisions they make
As we all know the Scottish Nationalists want independence from England to regain their (superior) moral purity. You would never find someone who favours independence for Scotland travelling to a Third World country to exploit poor young men for his own sexual gratification, for example - way too immoral.
Let me make a bold prediction. Scotty will be a very poor loser should the unlikely event of a Yes majority emerge on Friday. If the Yes vote does win, that chip on his shoulder will just grow and grow as Facts Of Life #1 & #2 are reinforced during the subsequent negotiations.
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...travelling to a Third World country to exploit poor young men for his own sexual gratification, for example - way too immoral.
Let me make a bold prediction. Scotty will be a very poor loser should the unlikely event of a Yes majority emerge on Friday. If the Yes vote does win, that chip on his shoulder will just grow and grow as Facts Of Life #1 & #2 are reinforced during the subsequent negotiations.
Well really, Kommie, in regard to your first accusation - do be careful in that glass house, won't you.
It is perfectly possible (in fact, such has been the deluge of Unionist propaganda from the print media and BBC it's probable) that NO will win next Thursday and I will be extremely disappointed - but we just simply wait for the next opportunity. It's important to understand two things: 1) the genie is out of the bottle, and 2) we shall never give up.
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...travelling to a Third World country to exploit poor young men for his own sexual gratification, for example - way too immoral.
Well really, Kommie, in regard to your first accusation - do be careful in that glass house, won't you.
You think it bothers me? I don't pretend to the moral purity of the Limousine Left. I know what I am - a predatory homosexual, exactly the sort of person mothers warn their sons about. What's your excuse?
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It is perfectly possible (in fact, such has been the deluge of Unionist propaganda from the print media and BBC it's probable) that NO will win next Thursday and I will be extremely disappointed - but we just simply wait for the next opportunity.
I did tell you, months ago, what the betting markets said the outcome would be. It's no good bleating about these recent actions as if they were entirely unexpected.
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It's important to understand two things: 1) the genie is out of the bottle, and 2) we shall never give up.
I'm sure the Shetlander Islanders felt the same way about the mainland Scots
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Shetland remained under Norwegian control for around 600 years. In 1469, King Christian I of Norway mortgaged Shetland to the Scottish crown to raise part of the dowry for the marriage of his daughter Margaret to King James III of Scotland. HeтАЩd done the same with Orkney less than a year earlier. James went on to annex Shetland to the Scottish crown in 1472. Attempts by Denmark to take Shetland back didnтАЩt succeed, nor did Denmark accept offers by Scotland, in the early 16th century, to return the islands in exchange for military support. The law, economy, architecture and religion of Shetland became Scottish. Language, too, changed; it became essentially Scots but with many borrowings from Old Norse. Scottish landowners moved in, too.
It sounds awfully familiar, doesn't it.