Why do young str8 males love LOS and young gays dont

[lonelywombat]

Mid twenties gay friend of mine came to a convention in Pattaya recently with his parents. He played up with other "sons and delegates" in Walking Street and similar places, and enjoyed the str8 scene with people mostly his age. Maybe plus 10 years.

It was only when he was able to get away to the gay venues late at night he noticed the average age went up substantially.

The most interesting point in our conversation was -young str8 men are prepared to travel and pay for sex. Why do young gay men not do the same. it is obvious in Boystown and Sunee that young farang are a rarity.

Is it that with saunas and sex on premises venues,the young gay feels he does not have to travel for casual sex??????????????????????????????????????????
let alone pay for it.

[Beachlover]

I think young gay guys like Thailand just as much. But older gay guys probably like it even more because Thailand has "options" which aren't open elsewhere.

If you are young, cute and gay it is usually more fun and exciting to pick up ordinary Thai boys from discos etc... not the gogo bars Sunee and Boyztown have. If you are old and less attractive/sexy, I guess you have less options.

I think your friend would've been better off going to one of the clubs in Pattaya. He might have seen young farang there.

While Walking Street caters to all kinds of nightlife (not just prostitution)... Sunee and Boytztown seem to be mainly prostitution.

[Sen Yai]

Why do young str8 males love LOS and young gays dont
Mid twenties gay friend of mine came to a convention in Pattaya recently........

I think you are confusing "LOS" (Thailand) with "Pattaya" again.

Clear this distinction in your mind and you will find your question is irrelevant.

[cdnmatt]

Not sure, but my guess is that it's easier to find a gay guy to put out, then a woman to put out. If a gay guy wants sex, he doesn't usually have to worry about the whole dating, romancing, and gifts thing, whereas a lot of times the straight guy does.

[Wesley]

I was able to find young gay guys up until I was 40, I did all my traveling after I was 45 and had no reason to run all over the world to find a guy , they were living in my own city. In fact, recently I went to the bar I use to call my home bar and had no problems finding a guy in his 20's. Honestly, they are not as good in bed as the guys in the Philippines or LOS but, he was a good looking guy,
If I could do that on a regular basis here I probably would stay here to play. If my last lover here had not have left me for my best friend, I likely would have never left as long as we were together.

All the best,

Wes

.... If my last lover here had not have left me for my best friend, I likely would have never left as long as we were together.


So your lover left you and your best friend left you.
And now all you are left with is your computer and this board.
How can we leave you?

[gra46]

.... If my last lover here had not have left me for my best friend, I likely would have never left as long as we were together.


So your lover left you and your best friend left you.
And now all you are left with is your computer and this board.
How can we leave you?
to reply to Wes like that is not neccessary his imformation on here is most welcome by me,but how you reply is so personal you need to mature a bit more ...
back to the post now
I met up with a young guy from NZ in Phuket he was so cute the boys in the bar asked him if he still bearound at 2 am,i asked a thai friend why ,he just said he will take him to a disco where all the thai go go boys go after work...in his words was no need to pay all will stay wit u

Not sure, but my guess is that it's easier to find a gay guy to put out, then a woman to put out. If a gay guy wants sex, he doesn't usually have to worry about the whole dating, romancing, and gifts thing, whereas a lot of times the straight guy does.

That about nails it. Many str8 guys want to go to Pattaya and have sex with 25 women in two weeks. That option is just not generally available to starights in the West while a young gay man in a big city could perhaps accomplish this dubious goal.

[pong]

Actually I made a post about this just 3-4 days ago: meeting places for young gay tourists. Thailand=LOS is generally (well, at least here in Europe) known as a gay paradise-and most young tourists then think of the Mykonos/Ibiza/Sitges/Fort Lauderdale etc. style-easy to meet other tourists-multinational-but not specific the locals.
Also: all partical guidebooks aimed at younger do-it-by-yourself bekpek style travellers etc.-and the generally held idea is that Pattaya is sin-city to be avoided at all cost-with Phuket coming as close second.
But when asked about it -and when I have the time and inclination to explain it-my story is that young gays should not come to LOS and expect a ''free for all and easy to meet'' scene or even well-known spot. THose on the prowl do not really need to seek places-as is usual here in LOS they will be found before they get the chance to find those spots.

[Dodger]

Sonnet 42 Revised - for Wesley:

That thou hast him, it is not all my grief,
And yet it may be said I loved him dearly;
That he hath thee, is of my wailing chief,
A loss in love that touches me more nearly.
Loving offenders, thus I will excuse ye:
Thou dost love him, because thou knowst I love him;
And for my sake even so doth he abuse me,
Suffering my friend for my sake to approve him.
If I lose thee, my loss is my love's gain,
And losing him, my friend hath found that loss;
Both find each other, and I lose both twain,
And both for my sake lay on me this cross:
But here's the joy; my friend and I are one;
Sweet flattery! then he loves but me alone.

Fort Lauderdale

Fort Lauderdale etc! Heaven alive no. Fort Lauderdale is full of crumbly old gay retired B&B keepers that cater for the same age group, its Florida's Shady Pines for gays. If it's America you are talking about Palm Springs probably has more of the edge on that score but Austin Texas and many other places are far better. I've been to both, Palm Springs very often as I go to LA often but Fort Lauderdale once and Im not likely to go back there in a hurry.

I think what is being overlooked here is that with each generation of gays there has also been a shift, in how we are accepted for one example. Most young Western men who love men and some Asians the same for example are quite happy to go to Thailand and do what all other young back packers are doing today, travel around, meet people, explore, discover sexuality's perhaps, life and culture. Your sexuality doesn't in this instance keep you outside of these activities.

Very few young people go all the way to Thailand just to hang out in the flesh pots, gay or straight, but young gays certainly dont feel the need to "hide out" or hang out in these areas anymore.

Short answer, young gay westerners love Thailand and travel there all the time you just dont see them.

Sex tourists have always been slightly older anyway, only going to Thailand for one thing only and that is sex. I dont think Pattaya is on the B-P trail yet I only drove there as a detour on my way South but soon discovered it wasn't worth it nor essential. Not quite one of the "must do" areas of Thailand despite being gay myself and Pattaya having a large gay expat community.

Disclaimer: The Pattaya Players hadn't got off the ground yet, er I don't think.

[pong]

dont really want to make yet another strife of this-Ft. Lauderdale was just an example that sprang to my mind-never ever have been there. Maybe should have said San Francisco. From-as I clearly stated European viewpoint- Palm Springs would be the ultimate in:
far too neat, all politically correct, we have too much fear to go anywhere else, place-so again thats just an example of how different some palces may be looked at in different countries. Which brings me back to the first point: the image of Pattaya: mostly known as ''you simply dont go there''.

[Krazy4thai]

Interesting question Mr Wombat. Could it be perhaps that there is less of a stigma attached to younger str8 guys indulging in the services of a pro.I have heard young str8 guys boasting about the number of "professional " encounters they've had. Never heard a young gay guy doing the same. Gay culture in general seems more willing to accept that mature age guys go to Thailand as sex tourists but less willing to accept that a young gay might go the thailand to pay for sex. It appears to me that the younger gays like their nightlife in the dance clubs/discos where there is the opportunity to meet and mix with other young people, where meeting specifically with sex in mind is not foremost in their intentions.
Sunee & BT offer a more relaxed atmosphere where they're more likely to come in contact with money boys and older sex tourists, probably not an exciting prospect for them. On my first trips to LOS in my early 20s, I didn't even know about the sex trade, most of my meetings took place in clubs/discos with young guys who seemed interested in picking up a reasonably good looking young farang just for the hell of it. Afterwards I realised I'd paid for it in some cases by going on shopping excursions and to restaurants with my new friends where only my wallet was ever opened. Things weren't so blatant as they are when I visit now.
When I was in my 20s I would never admit to having parted with my cash for sex when i got home, the "perception of desperation",not good for a young guys rep.
On later trips in my 30s and 40s I knew the score and what I wanted from my trip. Very generally speaking I believe that often when a gay guy who likes asian guys travels to Thailand he's assumed to be sex tourist. For a large percentage of young guys being tarred with that brush is not desireable. In my 50s I'm less concerned with my rep and will quite openly admit to outlay of cash for the attentions of a handsome young Thai guy. With age the stigma is less obvious or in my case cared about.
Back to the original question posed by Lonelywombat, I personaly believe that nightlife and partying in an exotic location are the main attraction for young gay tourists. The young tend to lean toward the young in the west, as they do in Thailand also. Older with much younger is less prevalant in the west than it appears in thailand. Possibly to do with a young Thai's perception that with an older guy whose girth has expanded, his wallet has expanded exponentionally.
A bit cynical maybe, but borne out perhaps by a quick perusal of Sunee Plaza or BT

[latintopxxx]

..at home I'm just one of many...in thailand as a foreigner you are different...even though Thailand is overrun with foreigners...but as a young fit 40 year old i certainly stand out...have no problem having casual (free) sex with Asians in Babylon......only limiting factor is time and choice....and the fact I wanna keep some in reserve for when I hit the gogo bar scene and the fun really starts...

[Beachlover]

I personaly believe that nightlife and partying in an exotic location are the main attraction for young gay tourists. The young tend to lean toward the young in the west, as they do in Thailand also.
Yep... I agree. I know lots of young gay guys who enjoy visiting Thailand. Some of them go year after year. They just don't go anywhere near the sleazy prostitution stuff so you guys in Pattaya are less likely to see them.

BTW, this applies to both gay singles and couples, whites and Asians too. In fact, from anecdotal evidence, Thailand seems to be more popular a holiday destination than any of the other Asian countries for young gay guys. Most of my friends have been there at least once in the last 2-3 years.

[Dodger]

The gay farangs who are young with money in their pockets typically vacation in surrondings which offer more luxery than our beloved Pattaya and who could blame them. If I didn't have to pay to have sex with a young guy I would skip the 27 hour journey and hop a short flight to Aculpoco where the water is sparkling clean and the restaurant napkins are made of soft brushed cotton versus toilet paper.

[latintopxxx]

dodger...there are no commercial "boys"in Acapulco??? in Mexico city I almost had to swat them off me...

[Shuee]

my thoughts are gays are more hornier/sleazier & dont want to be tide to 1 partner like the str8s, i also being gay have high standards & dont take any messing around so like to not have a steady partner, where as i d say st8s are more layed back & more tolerable

[lukylok]

my thoughts are gays are more hornier/sleazier & dont want to be tide to 1 partner like the str8s, i also being gay have high standards & dont take any messing around so like to not have a steady partner, where as i d say st8s are more layed back & more tolerable

Can you translate in english ?

The answer is easy - young gay guys have each other for fun, young straight guys want something different than the nagging young women with an exaggerated sense of expectations that abound in their home country.

By the way does anyone else experience what I find more and more with young guys, straight or gay? They'll walk past you in the street, their jeans sagging in the bum department, and just after they pass, almost by instinct that I'm watching, they'll pull their jeans up and show the shape of their arse. It's uncanny. Happens in Europe or in Asia!

[svyturys]

I've never been to Thailand (not even Asia), but planing to go soon. I'm 31 so still fairly young and in a very good physical condition.
I live in London and on weekends hang out in Soho where gay venues are next to brothels. One summer evening I saw this beautiful young (early 20's) guy, exceptionaly beautiful, who was arranging something with a prostitute. I could not believe it. If he was gay, the whole world would be under his feet, but here I'm seeing him offering money to have sex with a girl which actually was very average looking. Had he come to a gay bar on the other side of the street, the whole crowd of around 100 guys would turn their heads towards him.
When it comes to young gays going to Thailand, I was told by some friends that you basicaly mix with backpackers who are normally very gay friendly. After all, it's mainly middle class youngsters who go on these trips and they generally very acceptant. There will be other gay guys too and they will find each other.
If you want to mix with thais, then it's even easier - go online or to BKK gay scene (non commercial) - young white guys are popular.
That's what I was told but need to check in practice :)

Isnt the more interesting question why old gay males love LOS and young gays dont?

[latintopxxx]

obviously most of you guys dont mix/party with straights, I"ve been to the iron club on walking street in pattaya with straight friends and we ended up getting blow jobs in our seats...evening ended up with 5 guys (I was the only gay) and 2 girls in a hotel room...those girls had most holes filled most of the time.....and fyi my 4 straight pals were all under 30...all eager for porn type sex....
so its not only gays who are total sluts....
as for why a young guy would pay for sex...simple because its a total turn on...when u pay u rule...u own the other person...yours to use and enjoy...only u matter...u choose what to do and when and for how long...the whore ( sorry not sure what other word to use..) simply has to keep smiling....taking it.... and acting enthusiastically if he/she wants to earn a tip...

[danny99]

[quote="Beachlover Yep... I agree. I know lots of young gay guys who enjoy visiting Thailand. Some of them go year after year. They just don't go anywhere near the sleazy prostitution stuff so you guys in Pattaya are less likely to see them.
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Only last Christmas, staying at Pinnacle Lumpinee I met quite a few, 'chatting' in the sauna and steam room; a Filipino boy who works in a merchant bank in Manilla, a 20yo from Melbourne visiting with his mates but escaping one day whilst they went shopping [admitted having gone to a few girlie bars with the boys, claimed it turned him on but he did not go with any but certainly seemd to enjoy being 'gobbled in the steam room'] and a young Thai gay from Chiang Mai down to Bangkok doing a one week course...plus a pair from Singapore who seemed to be together but were still hunting when left alone.

The sauna and steam, room are actually for both men and women but you VERY rarely see a woman there.....this time a Russian lady came in and opened the sauna door for a look letting out a small scream...the Thai boy had just gone down on the Filipino boy on the top shelf.

[Beachlover]

Isnt the more interesting question why old gay males love LOS and young gays dont?
Because one of the attributes of LOS is a significant segment of the population will allow money to partly make up (you can never make up for it fully) for a partner being old, ugly or socially inept. More so than in most other countries. So it attracts those with one or more of these characteristics.

[latintopxxx]

beachlover...deleted flamingsome of us enjoy Thailand because of the excellent cheap sex available with passive obedient gorgeous buys with even more gorgeous bodies....
Now explain why you visit Thailand.....

[Beachlover]

Well, I don't get off on dominating and humiliating guys but I find your fantasies come true (I assume) an interesting read... My reasons have changed over time but now I would say it's because Bangkok is my partner's home town, his parents live there and it's a fun place to spend time. Plus, much as I love the hotels in Bangkok, my partner may buy an apartment there so we'll have a stable base to stay... wooo!

:party

[latintopxxx]

lucky you...a base in BKK...think spending more than 2 continuous weeks in Thailand would kill me.

[Surfcrest]

Because one of the attributes of LOS is a significant segment of the population will allow money to partly make up (you can never make up for it fully) for a partner being old, ugly or socially inept. More so than in most other countries. So it attracts those with one or more of these characteristics.

As usual, I can't disagree with you more.

Like you Beachlover, I come from a country and a city where Asians make up a significant amount of the population and where gay Asians, in a city very tolerant to homosexuality, are in abundance. Living in the heart of the gay village has allowed me to observe who's with who...and I can tell you that it appears obvious that not all gay men are into Asian. I see all different types of gay men, twinks, bears, muscle men, nerds, clones...you name it and only on an occasional basis have I seen Asian couples or an interracial couple with one being Asian.

Unfortunately, I can't really show you this without you seeing it for yourself, but I am guessing the same applies in many cities around the world regardless of the demographic and especially in Australia with its own sizeable Asian community. For those of us in Thailand, you can see for yourself (if you were here) a prime example of what I just explained with the Russians or with younger non-Asian gay tourists. Yes, some young Russians are perhaps interested in Asian...whether that is the prime reason they've chosen Thailand or whether it's because the Thai boys and sex are so readily and easily available. But many Russians or simply non-Asians are clearly not into Thais as we are here on this board. Some of them have come with their own boyfriends or surf the scene...not specifically looking for Asian or Thai. It is quite easy to see proof of that here and to apply the same logic back home, wherever that may be for any and each of us. I see the same in Bangkok, with young travelers, gay or straight focused on anything but Thai. Even of you ask the Thais, especially the working boys or the boys living by choice in the vacation destinations of Thailand....that many don't do Asian. You can also see it for yourself in Planet Romeo profiles...that Many aren't at all interestd in Asian. I know that my partner (Asian) and I will sometimes pick up one or a few to take home and so it quite often takes a lot of work to find a boy(s) that will be comfortable with both of us and mainly because of my partner's ethnicity.

The part of your post that I have the most concerns with is your assessment of the men here, or the men interested in Thai as being old, ugly or socially inept. It's simply not so, from my vantage point. I can't help believe that this comment is directed at the people on this board...which is certainly not entirely so. Whether I am sitting out on the Sois of Bangkok enjoying a drink with my friends, sitting out in Sunee Plaza enjoying a drink there or down at Dong Tan beach, I see many handsome guys...some pushing into their 70's and still looking good. Clearly, from my own friends and from aquaintences I have met, many came from very good backgrounds, speak very eloquently and are anything but socially inept.
I think we all know all too well that you are your own best admirer and that your descriptions of yourself and what you believe others see in you set you well above the rest of us. Well, good on you!

I can tell you that ageism is the least intelligent form of discrimination taking into consideration we are all destined to become older and some races, like your own age harder than others. Perhaps, on your next visit to Thailand (if you are not too busy buying penthouse apartments in Bangkok) that you take the time to familiarize yourself with these old,ugly and socially inept people you think you know so much about from a quick walk through of Sunee so long ago.

Surfcrest

[svyturys]

This is the answer to both surfcrest and beachlover. I think you guys both are right at the same time. Those older men who think that much younger thai boys genuinely like them, should give a go to gay dating leaving their wallets at home. That would prove who is right. To me it's a no-brainer. Thailand is a poor country with few opportunities comparing to western world and selling themselves is one of them. Before slaging off beachlover, surfcrest should answer himself why he is after boys possibly 3 times younger than himself and not those 'good looking' older men. Isn't he ageist himself if he's not after them?
It is true however that many whites are not into asian. But so are many asians as well. Try going to Japan. Those who have been there know well it's a tough place for outsiders looking for action.
Calling someone ageist just because that person is not into guys much older than him, is not very reasonable. Most of the people are like that - gay or straight. We programmed like this by nature. Look down on older gents is even less reasonable because we all going to get there. But I can't see where beachlovers words demonstrate that - simply stating the fact that money helps bringing different generations together.

[Beachlover]

Svyturys... Thanks and I completely agree with your post. I think Surf gets worked up miss-interpreting what I say and with some degree of bitterness, which is a shame. He also goes out on a limb with several conclusions from false assumptions. Doesn't bother me though.

And yep... Certainly not ageist. I have a heap of older friends, my BF is slightly older than me and I do participate on here don't I? Sometimes, people draw conclusions on things, which aren't there. Like when white guys say "not into Asians" on their dating profile... that doesn't mean they're racist, it's just a personal preference.


As usual, I can't disagree with you more.
Surf... I skimmed your post quickly. I certainly agree with some things you say and disagree with other things. But there are also some areas where you are just "disagreeing" with your own shadow because you are taking issue with things that haven't been said at all.

Don't really have time to break it down now so will explain in a post later and then you can discuss it if you want...

[Surfcrest]

First of all svyturys, thank you very much for your response. As a new member here who has yet to visit Thailand, I'm not that sure if you are the right source to be diving into this discussion with the exception of say your experience at the Ku Bar.
What makes you think I'm after boys possibly 3 times younger than myself? My boyfriend, who is currently here with me now is 40, only 10 years my junior. Yes, I like Asians...but not exclusively and they don't have to be young. One of my favorite flings in Bangkok is also older than you. Back home, if I like someone...it doesn't matter what their age is. Seeing as we have a commercial industry here in Thailand and most of the product is young, I'm part of the "supply and demand". The same applies whether I'm in Prague, Rio de Janeiro or Havana....and that's one of the beauties of having a little money to enjoy life with.
As for Mr. Beachlover, with equally as little experience in Thailand as yourself...we have had many, many, many discussions about Beachlover's slagging of Pattaya, the men that come to Pattaya to participate in the "supply and demand" aspect of the industry and the significant amount of members here that fall into his "old, ugly and socially inept" description. Just because Mr. Beachlover is sticky rice, he believes that anyone who is not Asian and older than the age he claims to be as undesirable and requiring money to buy what affection they enjoy. That simply is not so. I sit at the beach every single day and I can tell you there are many great looking older men down here. Just because they are here, doesn't mean they pay for sex and just because some do pay for sex, doesn't mean they have to.
Why not do a quick search with the search engine here to see all the other comments Mr. Beachlover has made about Pattaya, the ex-pat community, and the older people here indulging in Thai rent boys. While you are searching, let me know if you see a time when Mr. Beachlover is actually talking about being in Thailand or some real experience he has had here.
The reason I get so worked up about this is because I have many friends here in Pattaya, some I have known for many years, others more recently....and ugly or socially inept they or not...nor are any of them any of the other descriptions he's posted about since joining SGT.


I think Surf gets worked up miss-interpreting what I say and with some degree of bitterness, which is a shame. He also goes out on a limb with several conclusions from false assumptions......where you are just "disagreeing" with your own shadow because you are taking issue with things that haven't been said at all.┬а


Beachlover, it's been said to you by others here...you are not my Daddy...don't talk to me as though you were. You take the liberty to throw in the word terrorist to your Google cut and paste post and tell me I'm miss- interpreting you?┬а

As I said above and looking back at the catalyst that started our last heated debate...you have fantastic opinions about Pattaya, ex-pats, older people that are completely unfounded and inaccurate. I know many wonderful people here and I'd be willing to bet you don't know anyone personally, ex-pat or otherwise. Why you feel the need to continually put down these people in your equally fantastic descriptions from a visit once to Pattaya is beyond me, especially considering that the demographic you are continually looking down upon make up a significant amount of the membership here on SGT.

"old, ugly and socially inept"...these are things that have been said and said by you...hence the specific quote in my response. Disagreeing with my own shadow? Hardly!

Surfcrest

[svyturys]

To surfcrest
First of all, this blog is gay Thailand forum. Not gay expat Thailand nor old gay Thailand. Despite big number of expats on here, they are not the only ones allowed to express their opinion. The reason I got involved in this discussion is the title of this thread stating that young gays don't like Thailand. Yes, I'm yet to visit this country and my knowledge is limited to meeting Thais in London. However I know many young gay guys who have been to LOS and absolutely loved it. None of them said they hated the country. They loved beaches, food and culture. Some liked the boys as well though they avoided commercial gay scene.
To claim that Thais love old white men is absolute rubbish. I had a Thai lover while he was studying here in London. He had a very bad opinion about sexpats and Pattaya. He'd called them 'dirty daddys'. Same thing with other Thais I've known in London. Yes, they are wealthy guys and so not the ones sexpats can meet but I think they opinion reflects the situation.
I'm not here to judge and I clearly understand supply-demand situation but at the same time, I'm with my Thai friends and beachlover who are uneasy with Thailand's 'brothel on the beach' reputation.

[latintopxxx]

lly agree with svytury..."normal"middle class to wealthy Thais most certainly look down on the sex tourists and the poor Thais who service them....I'm under no illusion that the "boys"I rent are representative of Thailand in general....after all its like visiting the red light district in Amsterdam and thinking you know Holland.

[gaymandenmark]

lly agree with svytury..."normal"middle class to wealthy Thais most certainly look down on the sex tourists and the poor Thais who service them....I'm under no illusion that the "boys"I rent are representative of Thailand in general....after all its like visiting the red light district in Amsterdam and thinking you know Holland.

Or to make it more narrow, to think that you know Amsterdam after visiting the red light district.

I do not know the numbers, but I would assume that most gay (maybe aging) tourist in Thailand, have their experiences and views of the country from and via the commercial bars and the sex/love for money.

[latintopxxx]

well...I'd assume that anyone with half a brain would understand that the Pattaya gogo boy scene does not represent Thailand and Thai culture...

[Surfcrest]

To surfcrest
First of all, this blog is gay Thailand forum. Not gay expat Thailand nor old gay Thailand. Despite big number of expats on here, they are not the only ones allowed to express their opinion. The reason I got involved in this discussion is the title of this thread stating that young gays don't like Thailand. Yes, I'm yet to visit this country and my knowledge is limited to meeting Thais in London. However I know many young gay guys who have been to LOS and absolutely loved it. None of them said they hated the country. They loved beaches, food and culture. Some liked the boys as well though they avoided commercial gay scene.┬а
To claim that Thais love old white men is absolute rubbish. I had a Thai lover while he was studying here in London. He had a very bad opinion about sexpats and Pattaya. He'd called them 'dirty daddys'. Same thing with other Thais I've known in London. Yes, they are wealthy guys and so not the ones sexpats can meet but I think they opinion reflects the situation.┬а
I'm not here to judge and I clearly understand supply-demand situation but at the same time, I'm with my Thai friends and beachlover who are uneasy with Thailand's 'brothel on the beach' reputation.

As you are addressing your post to me, I can only assume that your points are meant specifically for me. You are absolutely correct, this is not "gay expat Thailand nor old gay Thailand" and most certainly everyone is allowed to express their opinion within the rules and guidelines of the board and hopefully with some truth or accuracy in what they write.

Unless you are directing your response at another post, you will find it most difficult to find where I have written or claimed Thais love old white men. Until I read your post and despite being in London all last summer, I have never heard the expression "dirty daddies". On the other hand ┬аthough, being in Thailand myself for the past month that I can tell you I have heard Thais say over and over and read in many of their profiles that they are looking for someone to take care of them and that there is plenty of evidence walking around these streets of that very thing happening and so, like London...the streets here in Thailand also run both ways.


Before slaging off beachlover, surfcrest should answer himself why he is after boys possibly 3 times younger than himself and not those 'good looking' older men. Isn't he ageist himself if he's not after them?
Calling someone ageist just because that person is not into guys much older than him, is not very reasonable.┬а
But I can't see where beachlovers words demonstrate that - simply stating the fact that money helps bringing different generations together.

And so, getting back to what I wrote earlier about truth and accuracy, my original response to you was to your inaccurate belief that I am after boys possibly 3 times younger than myself, which turning 50 very recently would (doing the math) be extremely inaccurate, let alone slanderous if you knew my age and weren't wildly speculating. And to assume as well that I don't like and enjoy older men, including non-asian men in my own age bracket would again be an incorrect assumption by you worth pointing out.

I provided the specific quote from Beachlover's post that I was responding to (which have nothing to do with you or the few posts you've made to this board already) and I specifically mentioned these inappropriate comments again in subsequent posts..."old, ugly, socially inept". I also inferred that these inappropriate comments, or comments much worse than these have been made by Beachlover about the older gay demographic in Pattaya repeatedly since joining this board and long before you signed up. I'm not sure what terms I can simplify my post for you to grasp and understand...but surely you are missing what should be a very simple point.

I am not challenging your input into the discussion started by the OP as clearly from your vantage point you do have some excellent points. You may, however, want to take my advice and be careful about feeding the trolls, these people who get off taking a dump on the floor and then having a wank (as sclivejames recently said) to get a reaction, as this one did....and many, many, many before by the infamous Mr. Beachlover....like this recent example from the "Thailand signs peace deal with Muslim terrorists" thread.


Whoops! Unconscious substitution. LOL. :rolling:┬а

Never mind... it's prompted an interesting discussion.

Surfcrest

[colmx]

Same thing with other Thais I've known in London. Yes, they are wealthy guys and so not the ones sexpats can meet but I think they opinion reflects the situation.


The Thai guys that you meet in London are usually wealthy guys whose parents sent them to study aboad, those whose BFs have imported them or staff in Thai restaurants/Massage places

The wealthy guys are in a vast minority in the home country... so their opinions will definately be skewed against the average Pattaya Boy. The imported boys were probably bar boys at some stage earlier in their careers!

I have found that the rich guys look down on their poorer countrymen not because of what they do... its usually more that they are jealous and bitter that the "peasant" is with the GWM, whilst they are being ignored!

[svyturys]

I've only met the students here in London. And I absolutely agree with a poster obove that if they parents can splash tens of thousands of pounds on their sons education, then they belong to wealthy Thai minority. Does their opinion reflect the reality? Well they can easily be accused of beeing out of touch but at the end of the day, they are the same Thais, sons of the same Thailand.
When it comes to jealousy, I don't really believe in this. What to be jealous of? That some white bloke close to their grandfathers age shags them up the ass for 20 quid?
And what's the percentage of ordinary Thais who fancy caucasians? My Thai lover told me that most of Bangkok gay scene (non commercial) is Thai for Thai. He used to be into Thais, but after a couple of years in London, now he finds it difficult to go back to his countrymen in BKK.
I've met many asian students in London, but unlike Chinese who outnumber even Indians these days, Thais got very good manners, friendly attitude, and are real pleasure to have as a friend or indeed a lover.

[a447]

svyturys wrote:
Those older men who think that much younger thai boys genuinely like them, should give a go to gay dating leaving their wallets at home.

If you had been on this board longer, I think you would know that many (most?) guys here are aware of that fact. How could you not be? Afterall, reality hits hard when you take your money out of your wallet and hand it over. Very few posters, I imagine, would actually believe the guy loves them But if it's just a fantasy, why not?


surfcrest should answer himself why he is after boys possibly 3 times younger than himself and not those 'good looking' older men. Isn't he ageist himself if he's not after them?

I think you answered that question yourself. Here:


Calling someone ageist just because that person is not into guys much older than him, is not very reasonable. Most of the people are like that - gay or straight. We programmed like this by nature.

So, Beachlover is simply stating the fact that money helps bringing different generations together.

What? For a quick shag?? Is that really bringing different generations together? Is that all that is required to bring us together - anonymous sex?


Beachlover wrote:
Like when white guys say "not into Asians" on their dating profile... that doesn't mean they're racist, it's just a personal preference.

Or their preference for farang because they can pay more, perhaps.


Surfcrest wrote:
I am not challenging your input into the discussion started by the OP as clearly from your vantage point you do have some excellent points.

As good a vantage point as someone who is writing about a country he has never been to (he's 9500 kms away!) and whose info comes from hearsay. Not a very good vantage point. Oh, and he's talking to the wrong class of Thais. They would know nothing about the lives of the working boys in Pattaya, or elsewhere.

But, of course, still entitled to an opinion.

What? For a quick shag?? Is that really bringing different generations together? Is that all that is required to bring us together - anonymous sex?Abso-fuckin-lutely. I'm not interested in some Gen Yer who has opinions in inverse relationship to his experience Im interesting in fucking his brains out and sending him on his way.

[Surfcrest]

Surfcrest wrote:
I am not challenging your input into the discussion started by the OP as clearly from your vantage point you do have some excellent points.
As good a vantage point as someone who is writing about a country he has never been to (he's 9500 kms away!) and whose info comes from hearsay. ┬аNot a very good vantage point. Oh, and he's talking to the wrong class of Thais. ┬аThey would know nothing about the lives of the working boys in Pattaya, or elsewhere.┬а

But, of course, still entitled to an opinion.

I, for one, would be interested to know about young or younger gay males and the decision factors that they may be considering with a possible future visit to the LOS. Will the same draw card that originally brought our generation continue to repeat itself with the next generation? Is the future of the commercial scene in Thailand in jeopardy as we die off or will it evolve into something else over time? I think in saying this, svyturys has something to offer and points to add to this discussion and these questions....and the fact that he hasn't visited yet may add a fresh pair of eyes to what we've become so accustomed to.


The reason I got involved in this discussion is the title of this thread stating that young gays don't like Thailand.

Actually the title of this thread is;┬а"Why do young str8 males love LOS and young gays don't" and I'd still like to read his opinions.

Surfcrest

[svyturys]

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I, for one, would be interested to know about young or younger gay males and the decision factors that they may be considering with a possible future visit to the LOS. Will the same draw card that originally brought our generation continue to repeat itself with the next generation? Is the future of the commercial scene in Thailand in jeopardy as we die off or will it evolve into something else over time? I think in saying this, svyturys has something to offer and points to add to this discussion and these questions....and the fact that he hasn't visited yet may add a fresh pair of eyes to what we've become so accustomed to.
[/quote:hwgxzbyy]
Being more cultural person rather than a beach bum, I'm actually more fascinated with China or Japan. But Thailand is most likely my first destination in Asia: sunny, cheap and friendly. It is both stereotype and my friends opinion. I think that's what drew all other forum members to this country. I've got a personal reason as well because I promised my ex Thai lover to visit him in BKK.
If I have enough time, I'd love to do a month tour across the country, at times straying from the tourist trail. When it comes to meeting boys, then obviously online dating sites are the best friends. I use them everywhere I travel. And actually the less established gay scene is in that particular country, the better chances to meet hot guys. Islamic countries like Morocco or Jordan were superb examples.
I would pop in to some commercial venues to see what it's like but from what I can read here it looks that those kind of places have seen better days and are on their way out. Thailand is booming apparently and should eventually get wealthier. Eradication or at least reduction of poverty would undoubtedly lead to demise of go go bars. At least the way they are now.
As to retirement, the way things stand in UK and across Europe, I would have to work another 4 decades to get my pension so it would be silly to think whether I should retire in Thailand or anywhere else. I'm certain Thailand will be very different country from what it is now.

[a447]

Surfcrest wrote:
Is the future of the commercial scene in Thailand in jeopardy as we die off

Probably not, as the younger ones behind us are all going to get old down the track (sooner than they thinK! hehe). And they are going to be just as horny as we are and will probably have difficulty getting free sex with fit young guys back home.

So no, it'll probably keep going until some other place takes over.