Standards have dropped in Krazy and on the beach

[andrewcraig]

A quick visit courtesy of an unscheduled stopover, gave me the chance to have a 36 hour flying visit to Pattaya. My first shock was that a 14yo to be generous, is flogging porn DVD's to the patrons at Jomtien beach. Quite happy to give any john that is remotely interested , a look at the covers of the gay videos he is selling. He appears to be working with an older guy late twenties, who might be a family member.

Last night at Krazy was the most brazen act I have seen in a bar in LOS by a mid 30"s farang, crew cut and carrying a lot of weight. He was with a boy and he encouraged him to stand and strip, he masturbated him openly whilst standing , rolled him over for a passionate tongue kissing session and appeared ready to mount him in the bar. Like the couple with a "farang lady" in tow, we decided to find somewhere else.
I am not a prude, but I remember Mark saying that type of thing was banned. We were only 2 of a party of 6 in Krazy but we met up with the others ,we decided to give Sunee a miss from then on.

Other bars were quiet but WildWestBoys show was outstanding.

A quick visit courtesy of an unscheduled stopover, gave me the chance to have a 36 hour flying visit to Pattaya. My first shock was that a 14yo to be generous, is flogging porn DVD's to the patrons at Jomtien beach. Quite happy to give any john that is remotely interested , a look at the covers of the gay videos he is selling. He appears to be working with an older guy late twenties, who might be a family member.

Last night at Krazy was the most brazen act I have seen in a bar in LOS by a mid 30"s farang, crew cut and carrying a lot of weight. He was with a boy and he encouraged him to stand and strip, he masturbated him openly whilst standing , rolled him over for a passionate tongue kissing session and appeared ready to mount him in the bar. Like the couple with a "farang lady" in tow, we decided to find somewhere else.
I am not a prude, but I remember Mark saying that type of thing was banned. We were only 2 of a party of 6 in Krazy but we met up with the others ,we decided to give Sunee a miss from then on.

Other bars were quiet but WildWestBoys show was outstanding.

Remindes me of the GOOD OLD DAYS when Thais ran the bars and FARANGS stuck to being customers. Try the terrace at La Cafe Royale that might suit you better.

[quiet1]

Last night at Krazy was the most brazen act I have seen in a bar in LOS by a mid 30"s farang, crew cut and carrying a lot of weight. He was with a boy and he encouraged him to stand and strip, he masturbated him openly whilst standing , rolled him over for a passionate tongue kissing session and appeared ready to mount him in the bar.
Is that you, Billy? There were recent sightings of him in Jomtien, and that type of behavior wouldn't surprise me...

[x in pattaya]

Last night at Krazy was the most brazen act I have seen in a bar in LOS by a mid 30"s farang, crew cut and we decided to give Sunee a miss from then on.

I'm sure Sunnee is reeling from the loss of your business. Your shocked whining/whingeing sounds like Captain Renault in Casablanca.



Rick: How can you close me up? On what grounds?
Captain Renault: I'm shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here! [a croupier hands Renault a pile of money]
Croupier: Your winnings, sir.
Captain Renault: [sotto voce] Oh, thank you very much.
[aloud]
Captain Renault: Everybody out at once!



Other bars were quiet but WildWestBoys show was outstanding.

Well that explains alot. Presumably your tour bus stopped next at the Water Treatment Plant and finally at Monkey World.

[MARK]

[youtube:1u6uv9ft]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvnwQSlq4P0[/youtube:1u6uv9ft]

Things don't look like they will get any better in August ether think I was drunk when I made this. :drunken: :drunken: :drunken: :drunken:

Mark

[x in pattaya]

Things don't look like they will get any better in August ether think I was drunk when I made this. :drunken: :drunken: :drunken: :drunken:

Mark

Sometime you need to do a video that isn't quite so artfully done ... something that sloooooowwwwly moves from one boy to the next so those of us who are over 39 have a chance to fully appreciate the talent. Now, for a 3 minute video, I spend 10 min trying to stop the damn Real Player and backing it up and going forward and back again so I can get a longer look at one boy or another.

I still think your boys are about the only ones in Pattaya who keep the butterfly in me alive. I'll have to wait until I'm temporarily "kon-diao" again, but it definitely looks like a visit or two to KD will have to be scheduled in August.

Actually I was recently in Bangkok and passed through The Boys, Dream Boys, Fresh Beach Boys & HotMale ... it was the first time I've ever been unable to find anyone on Soi Twilight worth bothering with. Sad really. Should have just stayed here and saved the travel expense.

I'm sure the nattering nabobs of negativism will once again start complaining about the type of boys you have on offer, but I really find the majority to be far more interesting than those in any bar I've been to recently.

From what i read in friends emails etc standards are in fact rising.

[thrillbill]

Andrew, what do you expect...this is Pattaya. It is of a differnet gay cliental than other international cities.

[kjun12]

While I do not think I am a prude, some farang behavior in clubs is off color and low class to say the least.

[MARK]

[attachment=0:3ey7o4gl]GLOW.jpg[/attachment:3ey7o4gl] If you think the standards are dropping at the krazy Dragon or may be a bit shy like myself you may wont to give this One a miss. :idea:
On the other hand if you wont to try a night in the dim lights of glow toys come give it a try you can always close your eyes if it get to much but I think you will need your eyes wide open to see what is going on. :alien:

Mark,
You still have not commented on andrewcraig's post.



Last night at Krazy was the most brazen act I have seen in a bar in LOS by a mid 30"s farang, crew cut and carrying a lot of weight. He was with a boy and he encouraged him to stand and strip, he masturbated him openly whilst standing , rolled him over for a passionate tongue kissing session and appeared ready to mount him in the bar. Like the couple with a "farang lady" in tow, we decided to find somewhere else.
I am not a prude, but I remember Mark saying that type of thing was banned. We were only 2 of a party of 6 in Krazy but we met up with the others ,we decided to give Sunee a miss from then on.



Yes, you've posted a video and you've announced a party but what of andrew's complaint of brazen behaviour by a fat farang.
* Is this type of behaviour allowed in your bar or not?
** Did this 'event' happen or not?
*** If it happened and if this type of thing is banned then what went wrong?

[x in pattaya]

Mark,
You still have not commented on andrewcraig's post.
* Is this type of behaviour allowed in your bar or not?
** Did this 'event' happen or not?
*** If it happened and if this type of thing is banned then what went wrong?


Gee, you forgot to tell him:


You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to an attorney present during questioning. If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be appointed for you. Do you understand these rights?

I've often wondered if police spies/informants, both at the local & international level, infiltrate these sites.

I'm sure everything that went on in KD was fully legal and above board and that everyone behaved in a way that would not embarass a US senator or UK MP ... although some of these legislators' behaviour embarasses the rest of us.

[Shuee]

when will the original poster learn, this is sleazy pattaya, the name pattaya in its self stands out by the image it portrays around the world,
come on, this is thailand where anything that has money related to it, goes!
if your standards which i truly respect, are so high, you shouldnt hypocritically even be seen to be walking in sunee, but maybe another country perhaps who has higher standards in their gay area's,

[MARK]

I did pm the same day andrewcraig about that incident and if he wishes to post them on the forum that is his choice,
Many people post with complaints and comments positive and negative points do you see me post a reply on every issue.
:shaking2: :shaking: :shaking: :shaking2: :shaking: :shaking2: :shaking: :study: :scratch:

[andrewcraig]

I did pm the same day andrewcraig about that incident and if he wishes to post them on the forum that is his choice,
Many people post with complaints and comments positive and negative points do you see me post a reply on every issue.
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As Mark states he emailed me and I replied that it is was Thursday night about 9.30 Here is his PM to me which was prompt . I am not a prude but Mark rcently stated he wanted to cut this type of thing out .

HI andrewcraig,
Sorry about you experience in the bar but do you mind if I ask you what day it was, and did you see me in the bar if you donтАЩt know what I look like I am 6ft3 and shall we say a little heavy in stature I usually sit on the left hand side table as you walk in the bar.
I ask not because I can do anything about your experience in the bar but spend virtually all night in side and the odd few minutes having a cigarette outside.
And yes I take it I my responsibility to make sure thing like this donтАЩt get out of hand and all is I can do is apologize if I have not been doing my job properly .
Hope it does not put you off permanently visiting the bar again, thank you for pointing it out and I shall have to try to be more vigilant in the future.
All the best
Mark

A quick visit courtesy of an unscheduled stopover, gave me the chance to have a 36 hour flying visit to Pattaya. My first shock was that a 14yo to be generous, is flogging porn DVD's to the patrons at Jomtien beach. Quite happy to give any john that is remotely interested , a look at the covers of the gay videos he is selling. He appears to be working with an older guy late twenties, who might be a family member.

Last night at Krazy was the most brazen act I have seen in a bar in LOS by a mid 30"s farang, crew cut and carrying a lot of weight. He was with a boy and he encouraged him to stand and strip, he masturbated him openly whilst standing , rolled him over for a passionate tongue kissing session and appeared ready to mount him in the bar. Like the couple with a "farang lady" in tow, we decided to find somewhere else.
I am not a prude, but I remember Mark saying that type of thing was banned. We were only 2 of a party of 6 in Krazy but we met up with the others ,we decided to give Sunee a miss from then on.

Other bars were quiet but WildWestBoys show was outstanding.

andrewcraid don't you have any sleazy gay sex clubs or sexy boys wandering the streets of MANANGATANG VIC (pop 250) selling porno dvds on a sunday?

[x in pattaya]

My first shock was that a 14yo to be generous, is flogging porn DVD's to the patrons at Jomtien beach. Quite happy to give any john that is remotely interested , a look at the covers of the gay videos he is selling.

A few months ago someone new entered the rather full field of porn purveyors at Jomtien and in the fullness of time he got in an argument with the more established dealers. That lead to a fight and he died on the beach or at least before arriving at hospital.

Since then the two brothers who had the market cornered for quite awhile became persons of interest to the police and they, as well as the others selling cd's (seldom DVD's actually, unless things have moved up the tech scale lately), disappeared.

Probably whoever is currently flogging them has some connection to those who are on sabatical.

Still, all things considered, if such things shock you, you might plan future holidays somewhere other than Pattaya. As the economy worsens and tourists thin out even more I doubt things will become less "shocking."



Quite happy to give any john that is remotely interested...

Apparently you expressed the aforementioned remote interest, thus leading to your subsequent shock.


I am not a prude

If it waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck ...

I agree with the original poster. That is way out of line EVEN FOR PATTAYA. And for those that didn't like to hear what he said and think anything goes, please go back into the sewers you came from. Are you human or rat thinking this is ok outside the privacy of your room? But then there are always bottom feeders. Amen.

I did pm the same day andrewcraig about that incident and if he wishes to post them on the forum that is his choice
Thank you for your reply, Mark and thanks to andrewcraig for publishing your reply.
Like others, I am not a prude. I enjoy seeing some of the raunchier shows that take place between Thai boys but what turns my guts over is seeing a middle-aged or pensioner farang groping, fondling and making out in public with a boy that is young enough to be his son or grandson. That sort of thing is best kept in the bedroom behind locked doors.

[Impulse]

I agree with the original poster. That is way out of line EVEN FOR PATTAYA. And for those that didn't like to hear what he said and think anything goes, please go back into the sewers you came from. Are you human or rat thinking this is ok outside the privacy of your room? But then there are always bottom feeders. Amen. Just to let you know,I have and have had pet rats for some time.Rats have the intelligence of a dog and are wonderful pets.In fact an American soldier once held captive in a prison fed a rat sharing his cell with him.When there was no more food left anywhere to be found,the rat came back through the hole and brought the soldier some food. As a gay man,you should understand whats its like to feel persecuted and an underdog.Rats are similar to us in their persecution.The difference is a rat cannot speak or defend itself to the prejudices of human kind. The rats are blamed for the black plague when it was the flea which was harboring the deadly bacteria. So please stop using rats as an analogy for anything abhored.ok?

I think the more important issue coming out of that incident in Krazy Dragon that Andrewcraig described is not what it means to us, but what it means to the boy involved. Among posters here there will a differences in opinion as to whether it is acceptable behaviour or not. As some have said, it may be acceptable in private, but not in public, while others will say that such a view is nothing more than hypocritical denial, since many of us would happily do the same once we have off'd the boy.

I think it is right for Mark to put a stop to this for a totally different reason - punters who prefer to ravish the boys while still in the bar are likely to tip very poorly for the opportunity. It isn't fair to the boy. We don't know who this boy is, but perhaps he's relatively new, perhaps he doesn't feel empowered enough to negotiate an off. Mark's rules can help stiffen the boys' resistance to such things in future - and it's in the best interest of the boys.

I agree with the original poster. That is way out of line EVEN FOR PATTAYA. And for those that didn't like to hear what he said and think anything goes, please go back into the sewers you came from. Are you human or rat thinking this is ok outside the privacy of your room? But then there are always bottom feeders. Amen.


Why go to a brothel for your holidays if you dont like the goings on..........

[Impulse]

I think the more important issue coming out of that incident in Krazy Dragon that Andrewcraig described is not what it means to us, but what it means to the boy involved. Among posters here there will a differences in opinion as to whether it is acceptable behaviour or not. As some have said, it may be acceptable in private, but not in public, while others will say that such a view is nothing more than hypocritical denial, since many of us would happily do the same once we have off'd the boy.

I think it is right for Mark to put a stop to this for a totally different reason - punters who prefer to ravish the boys while still in the bar are likely to tip very poorly for the opportunity. It isn't fair to the boy. We don't know who this boy is, but perhaps he's relatively new, perhaps he doesn't feel empowered enough to negotiate an off. Mark's rules can help stiffen the boys' resistance to such things in future - and it's in the best interest of the boys. This post is worth repeating,couldnt agree more.And its not fair to the punter paying an off fee and larger tip to the boy and then recieves a lousy performance because the boy is spent.This sleazyness went on in Jimmy Jimmys when it was open.A cheapskate was having his way with about five boys,but in this case the mamasan encouraged it.How many new boys are up to challenging a customer who wants to pay little and get as much as he can?

[pennyboy]

Having just crawled out of my sewer to comment I am confused about the problem . Is it just the cheapskates that are very bad people but those that tip generously are OK. Personally I prefer to have my fun in my room but I can accept those that like to have an audience as long as they pay the boys enough for them to be happy. Most of the guys i have seen indulging in such "horrific" acts have been more than generous and I have remained the same sane person despite witnessing such filth and :tongue: depravity.

Personally I prefer to have my fun in my room but I can accept those that like to have an audience as long as they pay the boys enough for them to be happy.

And what about those in the audience that don't want to watch.
Yes we can leave. Is that what the bar owners want?

[andrewcraig]

As Mark now has a good idea who the boy was , he might like to comment on the tip. Had a PM the boy had been or was planned to be offed. Interesting to see how many are happy to watch an overweight farang have sex openly in a bar whilst they are cruising or just having a drink. Perhaps they might have encouraged the farang to strip naked as well if they had been there.

Interesting to see how many are happy to watch an overweight farang have sex openly in a bar whilst they are cruising or just having a drink. Perhaps they might have encouraged the farang to strip naked as well if they had been there.

Well, if the farang stripped too, I would probably stay and watch. It may not be aesthetic, but it is gross enough to be worth watching, and for blogging about later. Like car wrecks.

[latintopxxx]

Frankly I'm amazed at all the ani fat old sleazy farang attitude, I thought that was what Pattaya was built for...stupid me!!
As far as I can see if you remove them, Pattaya might as well close down; and Mark if it wasn't for all the fat sleazy boy grabbing old men you wouldn't be in business, no more boy arse to peddle...stop pretending that Pattaya is The west end by the sea now......

[TrongpaiExpat]

Lets take this a step further. I see ugly, fat, bald and strange looking farangs all over Pattaya in tow with young toned good looking Thai boys and girls. Some of these farangs are missing toes, have knarly yellow toe nails and skin like leather. Really grosses me out and spoils the beautiful idyllic scenery of Pattaya and Jomtiem. There ought to be a law! :angryfire: [youtube:58y7h934]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P44m_spPczQ[/youtube:58y7h934]

[MARK]

As Mark now has a good idea who the boy was , he might like to comment on the tip. Had a PM the boy had been or was planned to be offed. Interesting to see how many are happy to watch an overweight farang have sex openly in a bar whilst they are cruising or just having a drink. Perhaps they might have encouraged the farang to strip naked as well if they had been there.

Re: Standards have dropped in Krazy and on the beach

Sent: Sat 11 Jul, 2009 3:52 am
From: andrewcraig
To: MARK
It weas thursday between 9 and 930. i looked for a farang, as i expected you might have been there but not surprised it was just after dinner

I had heard that bad boy billy was in town but have learnt it was not him as he is dressed dirty and loud mouth last heard 150k

Have you opened your short time rooms upstairs yet

Since you were polite enough to post the PM I sent you even though that is your choice and I gave you the opening to make that decision for yourself I will try to help you out a little further !

It weas thursday between 9 and 930.

That really gives me a GOOD idea which boy it was it must have been 1 of the 35 still in the bar at that time ! :idea:

i looked for a farang, as i expected you might have been there but not surprised it was just after dinner

As previously stated I was at the bar ether inside or on the smoking tables out side how hard did you look for a farang ? did you not see the other partner of the bar placed permanently at the DJ booth he is a bit harder to spot that myself he is a small build than my very large xxxxl size.

just a quick point if I have a bad meal at a restaurant I usually tend to tell a member of staff before I leave.

Even if I new which boy you are on about or even which incident you are on about I would not ask the boy what his tip was that is his business not mine.

And as for short time rooms re check all the posts on the forum I have never mentioned opening short time rooms and never will be opening short time rooms at the Krazy.

[MARK]

Frankly I'm amazed at all the ani fat old sleazy farang attitude, I thought that was what Pattaya was built for...stupid me!!
As far as I can see if you remove them, Pattaya might as well close down; and Mark if it wasn't for all the fat sleazy boy grabbing old men you wouldn't be in business, no more boy arse to peddle...stop pretending that Pattaya is The west end by the sea now......

Oh my dear lametop if we remove all the fat old sleazy farangs from Pattaya I think I would be removed on the same boat :cherry: :flower:

[andrewcraig]

I see I was not the only person pissed off at the actions of this guy, who after all that, did not take the boy off.
This is a cut and paste from the Pattaya Report thread,



Thursday night I wandered into Krazy Dragon and who should I see but a guy I spent a lot of time with in April. I sat down at the table next to him and he immediately recognised me. Unfortunately, he was being ravished by a farang at the time - jocks around his ankles, and being enthusiastically jacked-off, so, disappointed, I went off to Holiday2 for some quick fun.

. I went back to KD and luckily for me, the farang had gone and had not offed my friend. We left immediately together. His performance had in fact improved since April and we had an incredible time together. He was as I remembered him - versatile, willing and, most of all, insatiable! More detail (maybe) at a later date.
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[MARK]

I see I was not the only person pissed off at the actions of this guy, who after all that, did not take the boy off.
This is a cut and paste from the Pattaya Report thread,



Thursday night I wandered into Krazy Dragon and who should I see but a guy I spent a lot of time with in April. I sat down at the table next to him and he immediately recognised me. Unfortunately, he was being ravished by a farang at the time - jocks around his ankles, and being enthusiastically jacked-off, so, disappointed, I went off to Holiday2 for some quick fun.

. I went back to KD and luckily for me, the farang had gone and had not offed my friend. We left immediately together. His performance had in fact improved since April and we had an incredible time together. He was as I remembered him - versatile, willing and, most of all, insatiable! More detail (maybe) at a later date.
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Sorry that one does not wash either a447 is a regular at the bar and has introduced himself to me and was only a little bit upset that the horny little devil that he wanted was busy as he stated he later returned to collect his horny little monster and has done several times since.
In your post you imply that sexual acts were taking place in the bar I consider there to be a big difference between playing around and actually having a sexual act performed in the bar.If the boy had done more than play and show in the bar do you really think he could go off later and satisfy his customer that well, think about it you are making a mountain out of a mole hill.

[x in pattaya]

I agree with the original poster. That is way out of line EVEN FOR PATTAYA. And for those that didn't like to hear what he said and think anything goes, please go back into the sewers you came from. Are you human or rat thinking this is ok outside the privacy of your room? But then there are always bottom feeders. Amen.


Just to be clear, I don't approve of what went on, but I still contend it's a little disingenuous to feel shock at the goings-on in Pattaya.

I actually dislike going to the bars very often, and avoid тАЬshowsтАЭ if at all possible because I donтАЩt find them entertaining or erotic and they carry a demeaning, dehumanizing enterprise to an embarrassing length.
But at the same time I think itтАЩs hypocritical to get too carried away in condemning the behavior of others, whether 14 year old porn sellers or drunken farang sleaze-balls, when standing on a rather shaky platform of alleged morality.

тАЬYes, officer, I was in the bar where I knew boys sometime expose themselves or perform sexual acts on the stage and I planned to take one of these boys back to the privacy of my room to bonk the daylights out of him, but I was SHOCKED, SHOCKED, I tell you when I saw some drunken slob wanking some boy in my presence!!!тАЭ

I find it disgusting even when I see some farang just slobbering over some boy or lifting his shorts or doing anything in public that further erodes whatever vestiges of dignity the boy is still clinging to, but the places where I see that sort of behavior are bars that I have gone to because I want to find a sexy young man to pay to come with me to my home to have sex.

ItтАЩs why I spend most of my time with my LT friend or, when alone, I call boys whose mobile numbers I have and have them come directly to my house. Not because I think IтАЩm morally superior, but because I donтАЩt normally like seeing boys in the bar setting, at least not that often and I especially donтАЩt want to see the loathsome farang behavior that those places unavoidably inspire.

But, living in a glass house as I do, I donтАЩt find myself in a position to freely throw stones at others. ItтАЩs a little like protesting the slaughter of animals while eating a hamburger.

And, I might add, if some extraordinary event happened in a bar and your interest in informing the owner was genuine, wouldnтАЩt it have been more constructive to either speak to him directly or email him?

[a447]

Spot on, Mark.
Andrewcraig, I was not pissed off because of what the farang was doing in the bar. O.k., maybe it was a bit out there, but he was not fucking him on the sofa. That kind of behaviour would be disgusting. Mind you.........(hehe). No, I was pissed off because
a)the farang had my guy
b) he did not off him after playing with him for so long, so did not give him the chance to make some real money
The farang bought the guy 4 drinks, if I recall, while I was there. Who knows, he may have even given him a huge tip. I won' t ask him tonight because, as Mark said, it is none of our business.

Spot on, Mark.
Andrewcraig, I was not pissed off because of what the farang was doing in the bar. O.k., maybe it was a bit out there, but he was not fucking him on the sofa. That kind of behaviour would be disgusting. Mind you.........(hehe). No, I was pissed off because
a)the farang had my guy
b) he did not off him after playing with him for so long, so did not give him the chance to make some real money
The farang bought the guy 4 drinks, if I recall, while I was there. Who knows, he may have even given him a huge tip. I won' t ask him tonight because, as Mark said, it is none of our business.


What do you mean by "My Guy". I would have thought he was a hooker and therefor up for the taking by the highest bidder. Lets face it if he was any good you would take him under your patronage.

How many new boys are up to challenging a customer who wants to pay little and get as much as he can?

Probably quite a few - and, from the various reports, I would think it unlikely that the individual in question (or even most of those there, with no offence intended) could really be described as "new"!

[Impulse]

How many new boys are up to challenging a customer who wants to pay little and get as much as he can?

Probably quite a few - and, from the various reports, I would think it unlikely that the individual in question (or even most of those there, with no offence intended) could really be described as "new"! Well I suppose you might be right,as this thread unfolds the whole thing seems to have been blown out of proportion. I realise there is no way of finding out,but how long do you think the "career" is of a go go boy.I feel bad for some of these guys,what they have to go thru,except for the lucky ones who get offed by me,he he.

[a447]

andyinoz,

my guy
means exactly what it implies.
a) he is a GUY, not a girl
b) I was hoping he would be MY guy for the night
Nothing more, nothing less.
Is he a hooker? Err.....yes, I AM aware of that, you know. Afterall, he does work in a gogo bar!
Is he up for the highest bidder? No, not really. Usually he is up for the FIRST bidder who offers to take him. He can, of course, refuse and wait till someone coms along who can offer him more. That's his business.


Lets face it if he was any good you would take him under your patronage.


I do not live here so cannot take anyone under my patronage.

andyinoz,
[quote]my guy
means exactly what it implies.
a) he is a GUY, not a girl
b) I was hoping he would be MY guy for the night
Nothing more, nothing less.
Is he a hooker? Err.....yes, I AM aware of that, you know. Afterall, he does work in a gogo bar!
Is he up for the highest bidder? No, not really. Usually he is up for the FIRST bidder who offers to take him. He can, of course, refuse and wait till someone coms along who can offer him more. That's his business.


Lets face it if he was any good you would take him under your patronage.


I do not live here so cannot take anyone under my patronage.[/quote:8p04rcxg]

1.Take it you hadn't paid the OFF FEE, therefor he was only your guy in your fantasies
2. Never heard of bank transfers

[MARK]

andyinoz,
[quote]my guy
means exactly what it implies.
a) he is a GUY, not a girl
b) I was hoping he would be MY guy for the night
Nothing more, nothing less.
Is he a hooker? Err.....yes, I AM aware of that, you know. Afterall, he does work in a gogo bar!
Is he up for the highest bidder? No, not really. Usually he is up for the FIRST bidder who offers to take him. He can, of course, refuse and wait till someone coms along who can offer him more. That's his business.


Lets face it if he was any good you would take him under your patronage.


I do not live here so cannot take anyone under my patronage.

1.Take it you hadn't paid the OFF FEE, therefor he was only your guy in your fantasies
2. Never heard of bank transfers[/quote:a3hdzn7p]

I might be missing the point here but why the hell should somebody that has off a boy need to take him under his patronage, and there for send a monthly donation to help out with the boys entertainment when he probable wont even see him again he paid for the boys time here' why should he continue to pay when he returns home. We all have our dream boys that what Pattaya is about, does not mean that every boy you off you have an obligation to take care of.

I think it's a bit ....... no not a bit but very, sad, that this fat old bugger wasn't able to control himself and if I was in the bar at that time, it would have been his last visit.
And for all the other posters who back this sick guy up: Is there any reason to treat these boys like that? Is a lack of money a reason to ask whatever you want from a boy.
Guys, like the fat guy in the OP and his 'supporters' are the people who make Pattaya into a sleazy city.

[a447]

1.Take it you hadn't paid the OFF FEE, therefor he was only your guy in your fantasies


For Christ sakes, andyinoz, read my post CAREFULLY! I specifically said that I "hoped" he would be my guy for the night, because, I had not paid the off fee yet. So yes, of course he was only my guy in my "fantasies," if you want to split hairs.

Get it now??

As for

2. Never heard of bank transfers

Shit, there's a sucker born every minute, and you are living proof of that. Still, it's your money.

[MARK]

I think it's a bit ....... no not a bit but very, sad, that this fat old bugger wasn't able to control himself and if I was in the bar at that time, it would have been his last visit.
And for all the other posters who back this sick guy up: Is there any reason to treat these boys like that? Is a lack of money a reason to ask whatever you want from a boy.
Guys, like the fat guy in the OP and his 'supporters' are the people who make Pattaya into a sleazy city.


Last night at Krazy was the most brazen act I have seen in a bar in LOS by a mid 30"s farang, crew cut and carrying a lot of weight. He was with a boy and he encouraged him to stand and strip, he masturbated him openly whilst standing , rolled him over for a passionate tongue kissing session and appeared ready to mount him in the bar. Like the couple with a "farang lady" in tow, we decided to find somewhere else.

STRIP, The boys only wear loos fitting boxers.
APPEARED !
Did no body see the boys walking naked round the tables?
A passionate tongue kissing session

It is a gogo Bar and Pattaya has a sleazy side to it that why its classes as the number one sex destination in the world. :salute:

[andrewcraig]

The original post has somewhat been watered down. I do not agree will all the recent posts

He was not wearing the KB white lap lap but shorts/trousers with black underwear.He appeared to have on a chain, ID similar to what some[all?] KB boys wear.I has assumed he had been offed already and this byplay was for the bar, that his farang was playing to an audience. The question to me -if he had offed the boy why stay and brag. If he had bought the boy with him ,what was his point. If it was a bar boy why did he leave the boy behind.

[a447]

andrewcraig, I can clear this up once and for all. I was sitting about one metre away from the action.
a) the farang did not off the boy in question. He was just enjoying a substantial hands-on experience. He then left.
b) the boy works in Krazy Dragon.
c) the boy was not offended by the farang's behaviour - it is part of what he has to put up with in his job and he did a great job of pretending to enjoy it..

As you may be aware, the boys in KD can be a bit raunchy at times, but, hey, that is why we go there. It's not like they have full on sex on the tables. I know Mark has prohibited that, but a bit of cock in your face? O.k. by me! Bring it on!
If I want something more, I can always go to Holiday2.

I understand that, for some people it is not their cup of tea. If so, they should vote with their feet.

for some people it is not their cup of tea. If so, they should vote with their feet.

I will, thanks. No KD for me!!

[bing]

I totally agree with voting with your shoes, if you don't like that action at any of the bars, then leave. I have often enjoyed antics that take place in the KD. A couple of nice Thai guys surrounding me for a while, although it is not bliss, can be made into an enjoyable soujourn, and perhaps a memory to take back home and ponder when I venture into a New York bar. Wow, I yearn for the next visit to Pattaya. .

[Shuee]

i too like the action that goes on in KD & indorse it, if it dont happen then i go somewhere else to sip my drink where i can make it happen

itshould like some bars have, be up to the boy how far he goes at his place of work & what he is willing to accept for it, how do you know he's not desperate to eat or has other mouths to feed?
if he wants to get jerked off in a bar for 20bt a time & can do this 5 times thats 100bt compared to what a foot shuffling colleague can earn, extra that night.
someone mentioned about is the boy is spent his load in the bar then then you would get a poor performance, possible, but then like some attractive guys, how do you not know they havent already been offed & returned to the bar, having been given a good going over, & or had a quick poke with their gf's before attending work.

so i say bring it on! the more action in a bar means the longer i will be there enjoying myself & buying drinks

if some bar dont allow guys to be pulled off at work thats the bars loss, im sure they would also vote with their feet in some instances, its really not rocket science now is it

[MARK]

for some people it is not their cup of tea. If so, they should vote with their feet.

I will, thanks. No KD for me!!

Well put everybody has the right to vote with their feet, and visit or leave any venue they wish.

That is why I am so busy. People keep voting with their feet.
And spending their money where they enjoy. :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

So Mark, you are very busy with getting desperate boys in your bar, who are willing to do almost everything for a couple of Baht, and on the other hand you allow the sicko's into your bar abusing the desperate boys knowing that they will do almost everything because they need the money for their or the families support.
I know, those aren't your words, but the words of some previous posters. Anyway, good luck with your venue, which seems to be an example of a perfect mix between business and "charity".

[MARK]

So Mark, you are very busy with getting desperate boys in your bar, who are willing to do almost everything for a couple of Baht, and on the other hand you allow the sicko's into your bar abusing the desperate boys knowing that they will do almost everything because they need the money for their or the families support.
I know, those aren't your words, but the words of some previous posters. Anyway, good luck with your venue, which seems to be an example of a perfect mix between business and "charity".

Jesus,Joseph,and Mary please keep voting with your feet and posting with your fingers, and pushing the post back to the top of the page I just appreciate the help so much. :tongue:

And yes i think that's a polite way of describing me a a charitable business man I usually just get called a fat whore monger er but of course that's only be my closes of friends. :geek:
of course you could always visit the bar and make up your own mind on my staff and my self a lot more interesting than sitting at a computer trying to interpret somebody ells es experience of a bar.

[x in pattaya]

of course you could always visit the bar and make up your own mind on my staff and my self a lot more interesting than sitting at a computer trying to interpret somebody ells es experience of a bar.


It's just jealousy and sour grapes. Those of us who live here forget that most of the people who post the nonsense are those who only manage to visit LOS a week or two in a year, or less. It drives them up the wall that some of us are lucky enough to be "exposed" to all the delights of Thailand 365 days a year. Even fewer have managed to run a successful business that forces them to slave away night after night surrounded by sexy Thai men in all their glory. So their natural reaction is to bitch & moan.

Even some of the bitter old things that do live in Thailand can't stand that anyone else is enjoying every minute of it or enjoying it and earning money while doing so.

Yes, we all know it's facilitated by third world poverty and that in the best of all worlds everyone would have all that he wants and would never be forced to work or please others. While we are waiting for the day to come, I can say one thing that is abundantly clear every time I have ever visited KDтАж the boys are all having fun and are mischievous and playful by nature and because they really do seem to be enjoying it.

The guys I have offтАЩd frequently refer to their boss as тАЬmy friend Mark,тАЭ which I know is a Thai-ism, but nonetheless it seems always to be said kindly. And each boy IтАЩve been with has been just as much fun away from the bar, so itтАЩs not just an act because the boss is looking over their shoulders.

Of course, there is an element of exploitation in what Mark is doing and what WE ARE DOING, and when it comes to that, the boys are exploiting the fact that we are hungry for sex with them. For all that we refer to them as boys, they are nonetheless grown men who have decided to deal with their situation by working at KD and a number of them have done so for a number of years and compared to most bars in Pattaya they seem to be the happiest lot of employees youтАЩll likely encounter тАж and come to think of it that includes employees working in shops, restaurants and everywhere else.

If it all offends you, then spend you next holiday at the Vatican. ThereтАЩs plenty of paintings and statuary on show with male genitals resplendent and itтАЩs all approved by Old Biddies International.

[a447]

joseph44, I have been a frequent visitor to KD and have NEVER met a guy there I would describe as "desperate." Ever!
x-in-pattaya is spot on in the way he describes the bar and those guys who work there. They are outgoing, friendly and seem to be having a good time. BTW, they also earn HEAPS of tips because they score some baht every time someone has a feel of their dick. No wonder they are smiling. And yes, they do speak very highly of Mark and call him "my friend."

"Desperate?" I don't think so!

Anyone who has ever hired a boy for sex has by definition relinquished all rights to moral indignation about bar activities and therefore has no right to chastise bar management for any reason.

Preferences are an acceptable contribution to a blog but it is hypocritical to demand that activities within a bar meet certain standards. We are all entitled to our personal definitions of depravity, but after we pay that first boy, we lose the right to expect others to follow the norms that we favor.

Bing back the good old days of the Boy Fuck Boy Show when they would give a boy a good hard fuck at your table

[Brad the Impala]

Bing back the good old days of the Boy Fuck Boy Show when they would give a boy a good hard fuck at your table

Was that your table at the Normandie Grill?

It's a bugger when the buggering blocks one's view of the river.

[Impulse]

Since were on the topic of sleaze,did anyone venture into Legun bar? I think its closed now but Im guilty of being a bit sleazy there. I made sure the guy I was with was 18. Its a step above Holiday,but not so much.

[orson]

how much is the standard tip in KD for

1. touching / jerking while he is "dancing" on your table
2. asking to sit with you
3. ejaculating :cheers:

[MARK]

how much is the standard tip in KD for

1. touching / jerking while he is "dancing" on your table
2. asking to sit with you
3. ejaculating :cheers:

One minute and I will get the tip menu out; sure you wonтАЩt to stop there no desert quick fuck at the table or in the toilet.
Nearly 4 years a member of the board how often to you read the board and follow the posts?

how much is the standard tip in KD for

1. touching / jerking while he is "dancing" on your table
2. asking to sit with you
3. ejaculating :cheers:


Are you asking about the boys, the punters, or Mark?

:cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

I finally made it to Krazy Dragon after reading about the place here for so long. First time to KD and they had a lot of boys working. The rotation speed was good. The drink prices were good. The hovering ladyboy left me alone after I shooed her away, annoying little things, aren't they? Though I prefer the more manly, muscle-man / very athletic type, I did see a few guys there that I would off, though I didn't. One boy had a very tight athletic body, he was dancing in "army" patterned underwear, very sexy boy and great body, I hated his hair though.

My BIGGEST complaint was the lighting. One piece of advice to anyone who might be epileptic, DON'T GO TO KRAZY DRAGON. There wasn't one solid light on in the whole place and I felt like I was trapped inside a blinking Christmas tree that I couldn't turn off!

Over all I enjoyed my short time at KD, though I left after one drink because the lights were giving me a headache.

ajarntrade

[orson]

@ Mark

i have not logged into this forum for quite a long time now. so i have no idea what info you are talking about regarding KD ettiquette or what not. appreciate a straight answer.

[orson]

Though I prefer the more manly, muscle-man / very athletic type, I did see a few guys there that I would off, though I didn't. One boy had a very tight athletic body, he was dancing in "army" patterned underwear, very sexy boy and great body, I hated his hair though.

ajarntrade

hi ajarn, do you know of any other bar in pattaya that have the muscle-man type?

[dab69]

Though I prefer the more manly, muscle-man / very athletic type, I did see a few guys there that I would off, though I didn't. One boy had a very tight athletic body, he was dancing in "army" patterned underwear, very sexy boy and great body, I hated his hair though.

ajarntrade

hi ajarn, do you know of any other bar in pattaya that have the muscle-man type?

Boyz Boyz Boyz in Boyztown, Pattaya

I liked Krazy Dragon lots more in the old days before it was remodeled- more *fUn*