Going Rate for "Tips" in Pattaya?

[zinzone]

In another thread the following is suggested:

"I presume you already know that here in Pattaya under the new austerity conditions 500 or less is now the going rate, with none of that mullarky about '1000 short time or 1500 long time'.)"

Do other members agree with this?

Or is it just in Sunee Plaza?
(Mark from KD-or others who ought to know- any idea's?)

Will be grateful for any input.

Thank you.

Don't be silly, when times are tough in Thailand, prices go up, the bars charge more for their drinks, and I suspect the guys charge more for services, you should offer them 2000 minimum.

Don't be silly, when times are tough in Thailand, prices go up, the bars charge more for their drinks, and I suspect the guys charge more for services, you should offer them 2000 minimum.

Why do you keep saying this? Do you live in a parallel universe from the rest of us? I just keep seeing prices around the country dropping.

you should offer them 2000 minimum.


I just keep seeing prices around the country dropping.


'1000 short time or 1500 long time'.)"Do other members agree with this?

More important ! Does the boy agree whit this ?

1.500 or 2.000 it all up to you ! The boy always look for more !

Pay the boy 10.000 he will love you more ? No ! You just his biggest fool .

A boy stay whit me 2 years, " i stay whit him 1 month in that 2 year" , i tip him salary same him working all year about 100.000 bath for stay 1 month ! His money was gone afther 2 month and he ask for more ! I say NO, and i get back bye bye bye !

My advise !!! don't tip to mush ! :flower:

Going rates in Pattaya are pretty much at 500-700ST, and 1000-1500LT. Doesn't matter guy, girl, LB, its all the same money.

Don't expect to find anything cheaper then that, if you do then you found a deal. But don't be willing to give in to somebody asking 2500LT. I never even paid that for the gogo's. Maybe if it was a stunner at a gogo 2000 tops.

Some people tip enough for a motorbike ride back home, some tip a few hundred baht if they get a good performer. Thats up to you, just remember the next time you grab the same person, then it will start to become expected.

So in turn, tipping too much, hurts everyone else coming over here after you have gone home. As they say though, your baht up to you.

[latintopxxx]

Thai rent has become so cheap its almost embarrassing.........3 days in a row I've bought military boys for under 700.....and I'm a top and I fucked them good....and none seemed unhappy with the deal...in fact on day 3...boy from day 1 wanted a repeat....almost takes the fun out of it....

[Brad the Impala]

They say that it so small that they barely noticed.

[krobbie]

They say that it so small that they barely noticed.

Brad ... you stinker! What a thing to say. I have to say I had a good laugh before I became indignant for latintpxxx.

Maybe that's what the xxx stands for xxxs? xxxl?

Chjeeers
krobbie

[yedo111]

500 Baht is more than enough .

I recently got back from three weeks in Pattaya. If you off a dancer or the star of the show you will pay more, however, in general the fee is anywhere from 600 to 1,000. On an average I agreed to pay 800 and if the boy was good I gave him an extra 100 after. If you happen to want to take the same boy again he will remember your good deed!

[dab69]

500bt- ~$16 why would anybody be so cheap while on vacation with someone you like?

500bt- ~$16 why would anybody be so cheap while on vacation with someone you like?

Not everyone is on vacation.

I contacted a tour guide/escort from a website the other day and he asked for $6k baht/day for travel. I didn't ask what expenses he was covering, exactly, but it goes to show that you can always overpay if you want to.

There are 2 variables here: The boy, and you.

If the boy is cute and in high-demand, his time will be more valuable and he'll want more.

If you're a good-looking farang, you will be more in demand and have more leeway what you choose to pay.

I'm a caucasion californian surfer/businessman, mid-forties. I keep myself in excellent shape and am well-groomed. I pay 600 to 800 baht for short time on my trips and 1,100 to 1,500 baht long time. Both the short time and long time boys are always eager for a repeat when they see me again. I travel to Thailand in December and January, ocassionally February and March. Mainly I go for the go-go bar boys, and boys off the internet, or university boys.

If you're a good-looking farang, you will be more in demand and have more leeway what you choose to pay.



I'd have to disagree with this.

The average money boy doesn't care if you're Brad Pitt or Ernest Borgnine. He just wants his money.

I'm glad I started the 500bt hare running, and I hope Liam has enjoyed the entertaining and informative thread it provoked. Dab69 wonders why anyone can be so cheap while on vacation, but the point is that I'm a resident here - and so will Liam be, even if only for a limited time. And when you're a resident here (or anywhere else) you have to stop behaving like a tourist and start looking for value for money. It's not 'cheap' to buy your fruit in the local market or go to the Thepprasit night market and haggle over the price of a fake Lacoste sports shirt. It's fun and it's what most of us do. The gay residents of Pattaya no more spend their evenings in Boystown sipping watery cocktails at inflated tourist prices, and paying extortionate off-charges of 400bt for a boy who thinks he's worth 1000bt or more, than the straight residents spend every night in Walking Street ogling the popsies (unless they're showing visitors around). We pay graciously (I hope) and realistically for services received and regard ourselves as neither exploited nor exploiters. Enjoy your stay, Liam.

[TrongpaiExpat]

If you're a good-looking farang, you will be more in demand and have more leeway what you choose to pay.

I'm a caucasion californian surfer/businessman, mid-forties. I keep myself in excellent shape and am well-groomed. I pay 600 to 800 baht for short time on my trips and 1,100 to 1,500 baht long time.

Hi, Surfer Dude:

I don't really care what you pay, but if your claim is you are a hunk then post some photos to support your claim. You can black out your face if you want to keep anonymity but I don't recommended using the swirly face function.

He obviously thinks he's quite the stud...makes one wonder why he has to pay for sex in the first place.

[Diec]

If you're a good-looking farang, you will be more in demand and have more leeway what you choose to pay.



I'd have to disagree with this.

The average money boy doesn't care if you're Brad Pitt or Ernest Borgnine. He just wants his money.


Sorry Rabbit, normally I agree with you, but in this case, if Brad Pitt showed up on the beach, the boys would line up to pay Him for sex.

...then asking for 10 million baht for a sick water buffalo.

[Patexpat]

I hate to have to agree with Bugs, but on this occasion I do .. a money boy really doesn't care. But surfer stud might find it easier to find a non-money boy (and they are plenty of them) before someone 'less attractive' just as in the rest of the world.

What made me smile was the rates our surfer stud thinks are cheap - look pretty damn standard to me! Don't see any discount for being a looker in there!

And there are still boys who reward a falang for being Jai-dee. I'm a fat farang of 50 and I know my bf would not swap his Ta-tao for anyone! (hmm ... usual caveats apply!)

[allieb]

500bt- ~$16 why would anybody be so cheap while on vacation with someone you like?

Because Thats the way it is, you might like them but they don't like you, its a business deal. Get your head out of youre asrse and realize that you're buying bum or dick whatever your preference. Nothing more or less

There are 2 variables here: The boy, and you.

If the boy is cute and in high-demand, his time will be more valuable and he'll want more.

If you're a good-looking farang, you will be more in demand and have more leeway what you choose to pay.

I'm a caucasion californian surfer/businessman, mid-forties. I keep myself in excellent shape and am well-groomed. I pay 600 to 800 baht for short time on my trips and 1,100 to 1,500 baht long time. Both the short time and long time boys are always eager for a repeat when they see me again. I travel to Thailand in December and January, ocassionally February and March. Mainly I go for the go-go bar boys, and boys off the internet, or university boys.

I agree with what you say about the boy being in demand. You have to keep in mind, that many of these guys, just like the ladies, have multiple sponsors, sending them 10k baht each per month or more. If they have 2 or 3 sponsors and making 30-40k baht a month from that, plus another 10-15k baht a month salary from the bars, why even bother going with a customer? If they are gonna go, they are going to try to make it worth their while, 3k-4k for a ST. If people think that the price is too high, doesn't really matter to them as they are well taken care of anyways.

I think the same can be said about looks, although I don't have the experience with the fellows in LOS. Some people prefer the young good looking falangs, others prefer older, hence more financially sound falangs. Would be interesting to know if this in fact the same case for the guys, as it is with the gals.

If they are gonna go, they are going to try to make it worth their while, 3k-4k for a ST. If people think that the price is too high, doesn't really matter to them as they are well taken care of anyways.

In other words, they make decisions like an intelligent consumer or business person would. I have no doubt this is true among the smarter and more attractive Thais. People undoubtedly enter the 'entertainment' business for reasons other than being from a poor Northern family.

[PinkSilom]

If they have 2 or 3 sponsors and making 30-40k baht a month from that, plus another 10-15k baht a month salary from the bars, why even bother going with a customer?

Not many bars would pay their staff a 10-15k baht a month salary, if they didn't bother to go with customers.

[ceejay]

If they have 2 or 3 sponsors and making 30-40k baht a month from that, plus another 10-15k baht a month salary from the bars, why even bother going with a customer?

Not many bars would pay their staff a 10-15k baht a month salary, if they didn't bother to go with customers.


Or even if they did. I have only ever been told by one boy what his "basic" from the bar was (and yes, I do know that he may well have been trying to draw sympathy to get into my wallet) and it was 80 baht a day. The boys aren't just expected to make it up with tips - they need them even to make as much as the daily rate of a labourer.

it was 80 baht a day. The boys aren't just expected to make it up with tips - they need them even to make as much as the daily rate of a labourer.

That's probably correct, I've heard the same from other farang that have asked. 80-120 depend upon whether they perform in a show. They even lose that pay if they are late for work.

I'll also say that some laborers only make that amount--skilled labor or very long hours might exceed 200 baht. The kid that I'm sponsoring through pattaystreetkids has two working parents that average 200 baht between them.

Bar boys can get 100 just for a brief conversation with a generous farang. Tough to compare the two.

[francois]

Just because the economy is suffering in Thailand should not mean it is ok to take advantage of the bar bois or other workers. A casual visitor should be motivated by generosity and not penury. Even many of the long time residents have the financial resources to continue to be generous in their tips. Agreed some long time residents have limited means and they do a service for all by their regular support of the bois at discounted rates.

I'm a caucasion californian surfer/businessman, mid-forties. I keep myself in excellent shape and am well-groomed.

....but bald and have a face that will scare your mother-in-law :drunken: "Soly you no Blad Pitt - MUST PAY!!!" :geek:

"Soly you no Blad Pitt - MUST PAY!!!" :geek:

LOL. All of us could do with a little more gym time, I'm sure.

"Soly you no Blad Pitt - MUST PAY!!!" :geek:

LOL. All of us could do with a little more gym time, I'm sure.

even if we lived in the gym we are not going to look like Brad Pitt

[bing]

I almost started a new posing on the tipping question. I tend to frequent the Krazy Dragon. This past week I stopped in several times. After the first time had two nice young men to would hone in on me like a well oiled radar. I am pretty free with touchy feely activity and when leaving did not think 100 baht was proper so I passed on 200 to each boy. Next time through the door and they were on me again, so it seems it was an acceptable amount. Other places are nice but for a wild time the Krazy Dragon is still number one.

even if we lived in the gym we are not going to look like Brad Pitt

That isn't the point for me. If you have a decent face then the gym can take care of the rest.

The older sex symbols do offer some hope for those of us out of our 20's.

You have to keep in mind, that many of these guys,..... plus another 10-15k baht a month salary from the bars


I'll also say that some laborers only make that amount--skilled labor or very long hours might exceed 200 baht. The kid that I'm sponsoring through pattaystreetkids has two working parents that average 200 baht between them.

Not being "bitchy" to two newbies, but why post about something you are not in a position to know anything about?

Mr DT is straight and admits he knows nothing about gay bars, otherwise he would know that NO Pattaya gay bar pays "10-15k baht a month salary". Many pay nothing and fines for being late are taken from their commission on drinks bought for them; most pay go-go's no more than 3,000 baht if they are lucky. The boys' tips, salaries, etc, have always been far less than the girls'.

mlomker has not even been to Thailand yet. Once he comes he may realise that very few labourers earn as little as 80-120 baht a day. The going rate on construction sites for unskilled labour, not including overtime, is around 170 baht a day for women and 230 for men (more in Bangkok); uniformed security guards are on up to 270 baht per day. Unless the "two working parents" are illegals (Khmer, Burmese, etc), they will normally be earning double the "200 baht between them".

Stick to what you know, guys, its easier all-round that way.

I hate to have to agree with Bugs, but on this occasion I do .. a money boy really doesn't care. But surfer stud might find it easier to find a non-money boy (and they are plenty of them) before someone 'less attractive' just as in the rest of the world.

What made me smile was the rates our surfer stud thinks are cheap - look pretty damn standard to me! Don't see any discount for being a looker in there!

Agreed (and I, too, "hate to have to agree with Bugs"!)

[dorayme]

200 Baht is a full 12 hour pay for a day of hard work by many Thai.

Once he comes he may realise that very few labourers earn as little as 80-120 baht a day. The going rate on construction sites for unskilled labour, not including overtime, is around 170 baht a day for women and 230 for men (more in Bangkok); uniformed security guards are on up to 270 baht per day. Unless the "two working parents" are illegals (Khmer, Burmese, etc), they will normally be earning double the "200 baht between them".

Stick to what you know, guys, its easier all-round that way.I've been to Thailand 14 or 15 times and I've never been looking for that sort of information, never knew it and could care less. Why would anyone bother to find that out? On the other hand tips of 500 baht in Pattaya will tempt me back just as soon as I find a new job.

200 Baht is a full 12 hour pay for a day of hard work by many Thai.

Your point? Is there anywhere in the world that sex workers work for minimum wage?

Once he comes he may realise that very few labourers earn as little as 80-120 baht a day.

I was pointing out the plight of one family that is living in a slum! People with normal-paying jobs don't seek the help of charities to put their children through school.


The going rate on construction sites for unskilled labour, not including overtime, is around 170 baht a day for women and 230 for men (more in Bangkok); uniformed security guards are on up to 270 baht per day.

Sounds perfectly plausible. So what? The point that I was making (and seems to have escaped you) is that these laborers work all day for what bar boys make for a couple 15 minute conversations.


Unless the "two working parents" are illegals (Khmer, Burmese, etc), they will normally be earning double the "200 baht between them".

Maybe they are. I was pointing out one specific family living in Pattaya that I'm helping. Their salary info came from the director of the charity. Maybe they are a bunch of liars and drive a nicer car than I do. I'll find out when I visit.

This isn't the first time that you've scrutinized the fine details of my posts and ignored the main point. If you want to politely provide better information then I'd appreciate it. Do you think this forum is just for a bunch of locals or for people interested in the country and trying to learn about it? I'm a quiet guy in person but not online--lurkers never learn as much.

[yedo111]

200 Baht is a full 12 hour pay for a day of hard work by many Thai.

I think its a good point!

If they can earn 200 baht every day they will have a monthly income of 6k . Thats more than enough to survive.
But they want more than that of course.

So 500 Baht is more than enough if they have 4 to 5 customers in a week.

The lucky ones earn 5-6k every week . Most of them in a long distance relationship with a farang.

I've been to Thailand 14 or 15 times and I've never been looking for that sort of information, never knew it and could care less. Why would anyone bother to find that out?

I, too, have "never been looking for that sort of information". It just happens to be the sort of thing you learn when those are some of the jobs done and salaries earnt by your partner's brother, sisters, cousins, etc, all of whom you know, whom you have visited at home (and, some, at work) and who have visited you at your home. Possibly rather more accurate than some of the rubbish posted here which is simply misleading.


This isn't the first time that you've scrutinized the fine details of my posts and ignored the main point. If you want to politely provide better information then I'd appreciate it. Do you think this forum is just for a bunch of locals or for people interested in the country and trying to learn about it? I'm a quiet guy in person but not online--lurkers never learn as much.

No, its the second - the first was when you suggested Liam looked for charity work during his sabbatical here. I did not ignore your "main point" then, but pointed out that he would need a work permit - something that someone who has never been here may not be aware of and which is rather more than "fine detail".

I do not "think this forum is just for a bunch of locals", and am well aware that is widely used by "people interested in the country and trying to learn about it". That is one of the reasons why I consider that it is relatively important to post information that is accurate, rather than rubbish that is misleading - a category which, whether you like it or not, some of the "information" you have provided falls into. If I post something I am not sure about, or only know about by hearsay, I say so.

You gave the information you did in order to make a comparison; the information was wrong, making the comparison worthless:

"People with normal-paying jobs don't seek the help of charities to put their children through school."

Why not? You appear to have no idea what a "nomal-paying job" is here, nor any idea about the Thai school system.

The couple you refer to are apparently earning half the normal rate for labourers; that is not "fine detail" (would you think it "fine detail" if your salary were halved?).

If they are illegal immigrants their children will not be entitled to go to school and are liable to be deported instead; that is not "fine detail" (nor would it be "fine detail" if Liam were depoted for working for a charity without a work permit).

"skilled labor" makes considerably more than 200 baht per day; that is not "fine detail".

I have no problem over politely providing "better" information; what I have a problem with is someone posting rubbish on a subject they know nothing about which someone reading it could accept as correct.

If you are trying to learn about the country, and want to be treated politely, then stop posting figures as if you already know something about it when you very clearly do not.

If you are trying to learn about the country, and want to be treated politely, then stop posting figures as if you already know something about it when you very clearly do not.

Other people on this thread said that 200 was a typical wage. I stated that the figure for the poor couple came right from the guy who runs the charity in Pattaya. If you don't believe me then go talk to Don yourself and visit the slums that some of them live in.

You are just another guy on the Internet to me. Why should I take your word over anybody else's? I was reading a posting the other day that listed a fast-food employee's wage right down to the baht and it was less than 200/day for an 8 hr day.

Salary surveys that include my work have a range that varies a full 20k US/year. To me 30 baht is a rounding error, whether that's a lot of money to them or not.

Like yourself I sponsor a kid in Pattaya in my case from the GoPai slum.




Let me guess...a boy?

[PinkSilom]

Like yourself I sponsor a kid in Pattaya in my case from the GoPai slum.

I think I have written before that I visited the girl's 'home' and I assure you my dogs live in far better conditions.

A femme boy?

given the chance, everyone should visit one of these slums and talk to the people living in them

I'm going to schedule a visit during my trip with PSK to escort me, they say that they're happy to do so for sponsors. I'll undoubtedly sponsor another child or two after seeing the place.

Yes, it would make sense that they aren't getting steady work at those rates. The family that I'm helping is headed by a fisherman and the mother sells what she can in a market.

A femme boy?

They do ask when send in a donation. I chose a boy but might take on his family if the others aren't sponsored--they have 4 kids.

Faced with needy kids like these I prefer to let someone else make the decision for me.

Having previously worked for charities, I'm very doubtful that it works that linearly. Normally a corporate sponsor will hand over some money and then the kids are taken care of. Corporations don't care about pictures and biographies so when an individual comes along they are the ones who get the picture.

Don alluded as much in his email by saying he'd "allocate" the young man to me. The photo of him was taken in December so obviously he wasn't waiting for my $100. I'd be pleased if the charity was thoughtful enough to not send the same boy/photo to another sponsor. ;)

[krobbie]

...then asking for 10 million baht for a sick water buffalo.

Buffalo not sick ... buffalo die! Blad please send 15000 baht.

[DCbob]

My sponsored child is a boy in the 5th grade.
Amount will not hurt me and should be a great help to him and his family.
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Other people on this thread said that 200 was a typical wage.

"Other people" were correct - per person.


You are just another guy on the Internet to me. Why should I take your word over anybody else's?

Because what I post is either from my own experience (first-hand) or from sources you, or anyone else, can verify on the internet. Not many others posting here can say the same.

I have commented on the subject of Pattaya charities in the latest thread on the subject.

in about 9 years of visiting Thailand, I've seen that no matter what kind of farang you are, if you treat the boy decently, you can find a boy who will keep coming back to you for 500 baht short time.

Long time, of for an extended trip, many of them are eager to take a break from the tedious, monontaous daily routine and go with you on at least a short trip.

If you pay them more they are even happier, but you can find many boys willing to go with any farang for 500 baht short time.

[jolyjacktar]

yep 500 short time seems fair to me also.Never take long time so i wont go down that road.

in about 9 years of visiting Thailand, I've seen that no matter what kind of farang you are, if you treat the boy decently, you can find a boy who will keep coming back to you for 500 baht short time.

Long time, of for an extended trip, many of them are eager to take a break from the tedious, monontaous daily routine and go with you on at least a short trip.

If you pay them more they are even happier, but you can find many boys willing to go with any farang for 500 baht short time.


This screen name is mine, but I didn't write this above message, somebody apparently has gotten into my account, although I agree with what he said. I'm the businessman/surfer who wrote the one of the beginning messages in this thread. If you're a nice, decent guy, you could find a nice boy and pay 500 baht and get a repeat taker. I usually pay a little more because I know that most of the boys could use the money.

What do you define as short time?
1 hour....... 4 hours?

What do you define as short time?
1 hour....... 4 hours?

Until you cum. Tough luck if you're a premature ejaculater.

i have just returned after a 3 week trip. where i had a mix of short and long time boys. I paid 1000 for the short time guys and 1500 for long time , which in 1 case was 7 nights