Cartier Pattaya

[x in pattaya]

Anyone been to Cartier recently. If so, specific comments on the place and the boys would be appreciated.

Reports I've been able to find are somewhat dated. In one report there was a reference to a magazine ad offering outcalls.
The guys, I guess, are lean but masculine. The following photo from the magazine ad might be quite old.

I know it's way off the beaten path, but I gather it's been in business a couple of years at least (???) so they must be doing something right.

http://shamelessmack.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/cartier_ad_maxmag_2.jpg?w=430&h=435

[naklua]

Anyone been to Cartier recently. If so, specific comments on the place and the boys would be appreciated.


I can comment on Cartier, although not on the most recent developments.
I have known the boy #14 from the picture for a couple of years. He is a very nice, but rather quiet guy. Service-wise he has been very good, much better than the boys of Boystown and even better than most Sunee guys.
The other one I know is #1, I offed him last September. He was a little bit shy and less enthusiastic than #14.
I dont know about the other boys on the pic, as they dont look familiar to me.
As a rule, the Cartier boys are much more easy going and up to the task of making their customers happy than the average guy one can off from other bars. As I understand, the mamasan and/or manager/owner make sure that the boys meet their "quality benchmark" (I think in looks and behaviour) before they hire them, i.e. they dont just take anyone knocking on their door.
Cartier provides call-service, too. The boys are more or less available around the clock by phone, as most of them have their room on the premises of the bar. I think this is the reason why some of the boys have worked there for quite some time, already, i.e. the turnover rate is less than in Boystown or Sunee. On the other hand the boys are significantly less in numbers compared to bars of similar size in the other areas of Pattaya.

[x in pattaya]

Thanks for your reply. Pictures can be misleading and those photos may no longer reflect the guys actually working there, but they seem to show potential.

Last night I ventured into Boyztown and the legendary BBB for the first time in eons. Cartier's location seems all the more attractive now since it presumably draws very few tourists and voyeurs, if that's not being redundant. I would guess they do get more Thai or resident farang customers rather than the Boyztown types??

I also came across a short thread on another message board about Cartier. Although I doubt Gaybutton has ever waddled into the place, he was going on and on about its poor location and whatever. If Gaybutton has nothing good to say about the place, it must be worth a visit.


As a rule, the Cartier boys are much more easy going and up to the task of making their customers happy than the average guy one can off from other bars.

Once again, my experience at BBB last night makes that seem all the more worth investigating. Violating several of my own offing "guidelines" (he had a nice body and pleasant personality, but didn't initiate eye contact or present himself in a self-assured cocky manner ... which should have warned me that he'd be a dud ... he was) I took someone off from BBB. I should have known better.

Before we left the bar he announced "I no like this," accompanied by a wide sweeping gesture that took in just about everything in sight. "You like?" he asked. I said I was beginning to have my doubts, which seemed to satisfy him even if he didnтАЩt understand what I said.

"I sorry. I need money," he added in an apparent attempt to make it all even more special. Yes indeed, this was shaping up to be a night to remember.

Although he spoke virtually no English, at the end of the evening he did manage to say: "I no very good." For some reason I found myself saying, "No, no, it was fine," while wondering what the hell I was talking about. Despite all of that, as he was dressing to leave he managed to (quite unexpectedly) give me a couple of kisses on the lips, call me "darlink" and suggest he was available as a full time boyfriend.

So I'll have to give Cartier a try.

[lonelywombat]

You should use the search feature to find the posts of the last couple of years

What I recalled mainly was that Cartiers was a male for female and my visits usually had noisy Russian in groups and asian women The show was a little coy, and the boys not as willing to sit with a male as they were with the asian women.
The mamasan was not pushy and in fact I am not sure who was mamasan.

The photos in the original post have more detail in this blog. It is the first time I have seen the blog and have bookmarked for more detailed look

http://shamelessmack.wordpress.com/2008 ... after-all/ (http://shamelessmack.wordpress.com/2008/12/26/so-cartiers-gay-after-all/)
the blog
http://en.wordpress.com/tag/gogo-bars/

[x in pattaya]

You should use the search feature to find the posts of the last couple of years

What I recalled mainly was that Cartiers was a male for female and my visits usually had noisy Russian in groups and asian women The show was a little coy, and the boys not as willing to sit with a male as they were with the asian women.
The mamasan was not pushy and in fact I am not sure who was mamasan.

The photos in the original post have more detail in this blog. It is the first time I have seen the blog and have bookmarked for more detailed look

http://shamelessmack.wordpress.com/2008 ... after-all/ (http://shamelessmack.wordpress.com/2008/12/26/so-cartiers-gay-after-all/)
the blog
http://en.wordpress.com/tag/gogo-bars/

Yes, I read the stuff on Shamelessmack. In some ways his two articles on Cartier sparked my interest. One of his posts seem to debunk the Russian women thing, but I'll have to check it out. Nothing ventured, nothing gained and I'm becoming increasingly disillusioned with what is on offer in the Boyztown - Pattayaland areas. The fact that they took out that ad in a gay magazine advertising the guys for outcalls suggests the owner sees the gay trade as being a significant part of his business.

I suppose I really ought to be content with my LT friend, weekly massages at Smart, the occasional visit from a regular and the monthly trips to Bangkgok. I'm probably pursuing a mythical, exotic, heaven-on-earth experience. In fact, I think a trip to Cartier will be my last attempt (for the time being) to find the unfindable.

Maybe I have it already and need to appreciate it before I lose it!


Late last night
I heard the screen door slam
And a big yellow taxi
Come and took away my old man
Don't it always seem to go
That you don't know what youтАЩve got
тАШTil itтАЩs gone
They paved paradise
And put up a parking lot

I said
Don't it always seem to go
That you don't know what youтАЩve got
тАШTil itтАЩs gone

[lonelywombat]

I posted this in october 2007 you can read the entire thread by going to the search button,hit advanced search and type in cartier


It is a long walk from Sunee almost to Centre Road. The map atri1666 posted a link to, was very hard for me to read.

It does however give a very good guide as to where cartier is. If you look for the word porn- mobile on Soi Buakhao

opposite Soi Diana Inn that is I believe the correct soi. About 80 metres in towards third road

I went again last night to see the early show to see if that was better.

It was the go go boys own show and very amateurish it was. A little bit of accidental nudity but not exciting.

I watched the first 5 acts by the boys, then I sat through the fire eating show and left when the balloons were handed out.

Yes she/he was firing darts from his arse blowing tunes on his plastic whistle again and I had seen enough

There were about 20 asians for the 10.30 show

[x in pattaya]

OK. Found it the second time through. Rather hard to miss actually. I must have been day dreaming in the morning.

I'll give it a try sometime in the next few days. It seems from what I've read people either like it alot or dislike it alot. Not really interested in the shows, just the boys on offer.

Thanks

[naklua]

What I recalled mainly was that Cartiers was a male for female
I have been to Cartier over three dozen times since 2007. As a matter of fact I have not seen once any indication of this bar being a male for female joint. Over the years I have talked repeatedly with the mamasan, who is a rather quiet type, which is very uncommon for his profession. I was told that the bar owner came from - I think - Nakhon Sawan (I can not remember 100% it was this province), where he had a similar bar. As I understood, the bar owner is gay. Of course this does not mean the boys are...


my visits usually had noisy Russian in groups and asian women The show was a little coy, and the boys not as willing to sit with a male as they were with the asian women.
I have never experienced anything similar. However, this may be due to the timing of the visits. As I am not interested in the shows, I try to go to Cartier early, around 9pm. Nevertheless I have watched their show a few times and some acts were better than expected. It is not the run-of-the-mill katoey playback singing, but more coreographed dancing routines and even sm-acts. Fucking shows were also to be seen a few times.


The mamasan was not pushy and in fact I am not sure who was mamasan.
He is the short guy with not too much hair left... I have also made the experience that he is not pushy.

Dont get me wrong, however. I dont think this bar is top-notch. Unfortunately during the last year Cartier lost much of its attractiveness to me, as the have a lack of boys and the remaining boys are not as handsome as they used to be. During my last visit in september I was afraid that the are doomed to go out of business soon. Very few customers; no surprise considering the low number of boys and beer costing 150 Baht / small Heineken bottle and being away from the main gay areas.

[x in pattaya]

Well, I went to Cartier this evening. I arrived a few minutes before 9:00 and everyone was sitting out in front. The approach of a customer obviously took them by surprise and a bit of running around in circles ensured. After a few more minutes a couple of boys got on stage and started dancing to the music. They were soon joined by a third, all of whom were dancing energetically, but seen only in silhouette due to the absence of stage lighting. Eventually, that problem was resolved. I think there were only about 5 gogo boys there, only three dancing at one time, but before I left a few more arrived. 9:00 was probably a bit early for them, so itтАЩs possible others would join them later.

The mamasan was certainly not pushy. After getting my drink, I was left alone sitting front & center watching the dancing. Even with these few boys there were several who were potential offs. I turned around to look at the mamasan and thought I was going to have to get up and walk back to her to ask about a couple of the boys, but she did come to me.

I asked her about two boys, whether they were gay or straight.
тАЬWhat you want?тАЭ
I assumed she had misunderstood and asked again.
тАЬYou want gay or not? They can be whatever you want.тАЭ

Well that was illuminating.

So I asked her which of the two would be best for what I wanted.
тАЬNumber 24тАЭ
He was dancing energetically and smiling and all, but number 22 had a truly nice body and an angelic face. Still maybe she knew better, so I asked 24 to come over.
Mr. Energetic became Mr. Inanimate Object. When his drink arrived, no clinking of glasses for the first drink. I asked him his name in English and then Thai. He answered but made no effort to ask my name or anything else and didnтАЩt touch his drink. Clearly unable to function in English and not a real chatterbox in Thai either. So I gave him a couple hundred baht and thanked him and he thanked me and continued to sit there.

My raised eyebrow brought back the mamasan and I explained I wanted # 22. She told 24 to exit, he gulped his drink and disappeared never to be seen again while I was there. 22 was slightly more animated and did have a beautiful face and a great body, so I indicated in English, Thai (sort of), pantomime and sign language (sort of) that he should get dressed. No idea what I meant. The boys on stage told him to go get dressed.

I stress there were no attitude issues. They were just at sea in general and totally adrift in terms of English. I think at least a few of them are very new to the whole thing and probably this bar attracts more people who can speak Thai fluently.

My guy actually looked even more handsome dressed, but as I was soon to discover his English was virtually nonexistent. I once knew a boy from BoysтАЩ Studio who could only say тАЬHello,тАЭтАЭ bye-byeтАЭ and (bizarrely) тАЬJingle Bell,тАЭ in English. This guy was even more limited.

Because I could say a few simple things in Thai, this guy chattered away in rapid fire Thai oblivious to the fact that I had only a glimmer of an idea what he was going on about, but he did have a great body, an angelic face and a beautiful smile тАж so screw communications. Who really needs the тАЬwhat your name where you come from?тАЭ routine anyway.

I did try asking him if he were poochai or gay and was assured it was up to me. We did determine that he had only been in Pattaya for тАЬone mouth [sic],тАЭ pretty much his only venture into speaking English.

He certainly performed well, though. Emerging from the shower he was already fully, throbbingly erect and for a Thai he was impressively equipped. He was also a gasper & groaner, which sounded a trifle stage-managed, but it did correspond to the throbbing as well as to some really awesome ab muscle contractions, and he did deliver a load that took a couple of washcloths to tidy upтАж so the gasping & groaning may have been sincere.

Following round one, he drank a couple of beers while we channel surfed, eventually settling on the H-Ha station. If you havenтАЩt seen it, itтАЩs non-stop Thai vaudeville, which leans heavily on slapstick, midgets and ugly men playing the roles of women.

As usually happens, round two went even better than round one, which wasnтАЩt all that bad either.

So anyway, the early evening bar experience was not something to write home about, but there were definitely some nice guys there and quite possibly more to choose from a little later in the evening. A couple were clearly straight and the rest could have gone either way. No single variety. My guy had great abs & chest and a nice package, but was of medium size overall. A couple of guys were tall & thin and a couple of others were a bit beefy. All of them were animated. IтАЩm guessing English skills are limited. The two I talked to were pretty much limited to speaking Thai.

I might go back again, maybe later in the evening. Got this guyтАЩs mobile number, so I might try him again, but I have a feeling that arranging something by phone will not be a resounding success.

Still have to consider a visit to Vassa and Happy Boys before retiring from the Pattaya bar scene for awhile. Each venture makes me more certain my LT friend has no meaningful competition. HeтАЩs away until completing something totally incomprehensible (to me) at a wat at home for a few days during the first week in March, but he may get a summons to appear urgently before that. Monogamy could be on the ascendant while Butterflyism could be losing its allure.

[catawampuscat]

Be sure to check out Python Boys when you venture over to Vassa Boys..
They open on March 2nd on Pattayaland soi 1 and apparently there will be
a snake theme and maybe even some live snakes in the act.

Thaiworthy cracked me up with his comment on this new bar over on another gay thailand forum. Thaiworthy wrote that if Monty was the new owner that the new bar would be Monty Python Boys.

Vassa Boys is an unusual go go bar and quite intimate. I had offed an all
time favorite great boy there last year.
My impression is that they have gone in the fem boy direction but that is a several months old impression.

As I have already strayed slightly off topic from Cartier and maintained some linkage with the Vassa reference, and hopefully amused some with Thaiworthy's name twist, I will dare to mention yet another boy go go bar and update.
I recently bemoaned the decline in the quality of the show at
Wild West Boys and was informed by a first rate source that he had seen the show twice this week and it was back to its formal high level and well worth seeing.
:cat:

[x in pattaya]

Vassa Boys is an unusual go go bar and quite intimate. I had offed an all time favorite great boy there last year.
My impression is that they have gone in the fem boy direction but that is a several months old impression.
About 6 months to a year ago someone on CFS recommended Vassa to me because [he thought] the boys were country type with a bit of a rough edge, which sounded appealing to me. But the few other comments I've come across were pretty negative. My interest was revived because of NakluaтАЩs comments:

I dont like ladyboys and too feminine looking boys.

To make a long story short: Nowadays most of the bars in Boystown, Sunee or Day Night area have not a single boy on their payroll who I was tempted to off. There is only a handful of bars that occasionally cater to my tastes. In the more recent past this has especially been true (in this order) for Cartier Boys (of Soi Buakhao), A-Bomb, Happy Boys, Vassa. A little bit more in the past Crazy Dragon was on top of my list

The Americanized Go Go bars in Boystown, i.e. BBB and Splash/Throb, are totally uninteresting for me.

I liked Adam's Apple but have learned that the place closed some time ago.

I think he and I share common interests in boys and are equally turned off by life in the sanitized, sterilized, robotic Boyztown gulag .

IтАЩve been in some of the Pattayaland area bars recently and did find A Bomb to be one of the better places with some appealing boys. I was also in BBB (against my better judgment) for the first time in ages and found the package tour destination just as bad as ever and the boy I offed was incredibly bad, a fact he seemed to readily admit.

If Vassa has gone fem, that would make it of no interest to me.


As I have already strayed slightly off topic from Cartier and maintained some linkage with the Vassa referenceтАж
I recently bemoaned the decline in the quality of the show at
Wild West Boys and тАж it was back to its formal high level and well worth seeing.
:cat:

IтАЩm afraid the тАЬentertainingтАЭ type boy bar shows do nothing for me other than to induce the urge for a nap. IтАЩm not much into the sexy shows either, but at least the better ones could maintain my interest. I also agree with Naklua that the show at AdamтАЩs Apple in Chiang Mai was really enjoyable and I think it may have been one of the last I bothered going to тАжmaybe 8 years ago?? Probably longer than that.

Unexpectedly, I did wake up this morning thinking about the boy from Cartier... a prerequisite indicator someone may be worth a re-visit. He did have a really nice face & body and as someone (possibly Naklua again) mentioned the mamasan or owner of Cartier seems to school the boys to be/do whatever suits the customer. Possibly the Mamasan's response: "What you want him to be?" wasn't as ridiculous as it first seemed.

I generally find that if things go reasonably well the first time, they only get better the next few times since you both feel a little more relaxed and you get some idea of which buttons to push for which responses.

IтАЩm sure the tower of Babel will be as nothing compared to my phone call to this guyтАж but then itтАЩs all a part of the Magical Mystery Tour that is life here in LOS.

[naklua]

Well, I went to Cartier this evening. I arrived a few minutes before 9:00 and everyone was sitting out in front. The approach of a customer obviously took them by surprise and a bit of running around in circles ensured. After a few more minutes a couple of boys got on stage and started dancing to the music. They were soon joined by a third, all of whom were dancing energetically, but seen only in silhouette due to the absence of stage lighting. Eventually, that problem was resolved. I think there were only about 5 gogo boys there, only three dancing at one time, but before I left a few more arrived. 9:00 was probably a bit early for them, so itтАЩs possible others would join them later.
I think it is normal for this bar, that some of the boys sit outside and wait for customers to arrive, before they go inside and change into their gogo-gear. I guess it is due to the fact that many of them not only work but also have their room there. Moreover the bar's regime seems a little bit more loose on this issue than it is handled in the Boystown or Sunee areas. Nevertheless, I was told, the mamasan and/or manager takes his cut from the boys' tips; but maybe this is common in the other bars, too.

Even with these few boys there were several who were potential offs.
That has been the fact that made me come back to Cartier many times. The dont have many boys, but the percentage of handsome ones is much, much higher than in most other bars. Besides almost all the boys I took off from Cartier had nice personalities and were not a little bit arrogant or greedy, but eager to please. It was not to their financial disadvantage...

I asked her about two boys, whether they were gay or straight.
тАЬWhat you want?тАЭ
I assumed she had misunderstood and asked again.
тАЬYou want gay or not? They can be whatever you want.тАЭ
I am sure that the percentage of gay guys is not higher than in most other gogo bars, but they are more versatile. I have never met a Cartier boy with the "I am man"-attitude, although I guess most of the guys who enterained me were not gay.

22 was slightly more animated and did have a beautiful face and a great body, so I indicated in English, Thai (sort of), pantomime and sign language (sort of) that he should get dressed.
Can you by any chance remember his name? As I will go to Pattaya in two weeks :cheers: I am a little bit curious about this boy... :geek: As you know, not all the bars are rigid with regard to the boys' numbers, i.e. #22 could get his number changed anytime...

[x in pattaya]

Can you by any chance remember his name? As I will go to Pattaya in two weeks :cheers: I am a little bit curious about this boy... :geek: As you know, not all the bars are rigid with regard to the boys' numbers, i.e. #22 could get his number changed anytime...

Yes, I went back this evening and he came to sit with me. Then I noticed one of the boys on the stage was wearing 22 (and another boy had no number) so they must just grab a number when they come in.



The second night I did see # 14 as shown in the photo above. Between the two nights I saw guys who looked a bit like #8, 9 and 13 in the photo. Not sure if they actually were those same guys.

There were 5 guys the first night I went and 7 the next. Probably 10 different guys I saw, so it won't be difficult to pick him out ... assuming I haven't already taken him off on a particular night. :clown: Not bulky muscular, but better natural definition than all but possible one other guy that I saw.He says he's 21 years old. Young face, but I would have thought him a bit older than that. Very bouncy on stage and with a puckish smile.

[Patexpat]

well haven't been to Cartiers for well over two years .... used to have a regular and very cute 'off' until he was dragged (or fell) in to the drug scene ... and I eventually stopped going as I felt I was being driven out by the straights ... (oh and that ghastly darts act was on even then) ..

May be time for a re-visit and a look-see next time I slip the leash ...

[x in pattaya]

Well, after the guy I frequently off from Cartier called to say he was going home for a couple of weeks( to do things with rice I guess... hot, sweaty things :tongue: if Khun Smiles is to be believed) , I decided this would be an opportunity to visit Cartier and off one other guy who seemed quite "interesting." Since I have been just phoning my regular off (off fee jumps from B300 to B500 for call-outs, but no drinks to be bought) and haven't been in the bar recently I thought I could pull this off without being recognized and without being reported to my usual "boy.".

Just before I reached the bar four youngish, fairly attractive women with long blonde hair went in. Bummer.

Apparently they were the first customers because there were no boys on stage when I went in a moment later and after a few minutes the only guy in the place who is unquestionably gay was alone on stage dancing.

I assumed my usual friend would have travelled with another boy from the bar, but apparently some others went home too or they had been offed earlier because there was a grand total of 4 boys in the place: 2 definitely straight guys ( the guy I was interested in and another guy who looked more Indian than Thai), the tall thin gay boy ( actually I wouldn't have had a problem offing him either) and another guy who was probably gay.

The tall thin guy immediately came over and informed me that my regular boy had gone home, so my cover was blown and I may not have heard that last of that. The waiter walked past the women over to where I was seated, asked me what I wanted to drink and brought me my nam soda before waiting on the women. The mamasan also initially ignored the women and came over to greet me.

I thought the straight boys on stage would focus on the women, but the guy I was interested in totally ignored them and stood in front of me on the stage making eye contact. I had him sit with me. Then a couple of guys who looked like they were young Thais came in and called over one of the gay boys on stage. That left only two boys unattached in the bar and it was just 15 minutes or so after they opened for the night. I'm not sure how long the women stayed there or what they were expecting, but they sure weren't the center of attention as they would have been in a certain establishment in Boyztown. I have to admit it's nice to be in a bar where they seem to understand who their loyal customers really are and who they should be catering to.

I half wanted to off the tall gay guy out of pity and he may have conveyed the same thought to the guy I was offing because he suggested it too ... but I didn't see that panning out.

So before 9:30 we left the bar, as did the two young Thai guys with their off, leaving four women sitting in the back and two boys on the stage, the more attractive of whom would probably not want much to do with the women.

The guy I offed spoke almost no English, which seems to be the norm at Cartier based on the three IтАЩve talked with. He was definitely worth offing,might get one repeat off with me , but no meaningful challenge to my usual guy. Before we parted company he was insisting I put his mobile number in my phone, so he was apparently happy with the experience. He's also the third guy in that bar that I know is from Sakon Nakhon. The ones I know something about are closer to 30 than 20 years old. One might even have passed that milestone, but they've aged very, very well and to quote Oliver Twist: "Please Sir, I want some more."

Who needs Boyztown??

My butterfly wings will be clipped for the next week or so since Numero Uno is arriving in the morning and we do not do bars, massages or other folderol ... but we generally are kept productively occupied so the bars are not really missed.

[x in pattaya]

Nevertheless, I was told, the mamasan and/or manager takes his cut from the boys' tips; but maybe this is common in the other bars, too.

Yes, now that I've settled on the one boy I like there, I call him and he comes to my condo. The off fee jumps from B300 to B500 since you're not buying any drinks at the bar or greasing the mamasan's palm. This guy told me he also had to pay the mamasan B100 each time he was offed. Although they don't have many boys, a high percentage seem to be offed every night, so the mamasan must be doing pretty well from that source alone.



Can you by any chance remember his name? As I will go to Pattaya in two weeks :cheers: I am a little bit curious about this boy... :geek: As you know, not all the bars are rigid with regard to the boys' numbers, i.e. #22 could get his number changed anytime...

Sorry, but it just dawned on me that your visit to Pattaya coincides with his two week visit to the family home... the overlap depending of course on how long you'll be in town.

[Wesley]

Can you by any chance remember his name? As I will go to Pattaya in two weeks :cheers: I am a little bit curious about this boy... :geek: As you know, not all the bars are rigid with regard to the boys' numbers, i.e. #22 could get his number changed anytime...




Sorry, but it just dawned on me that your visit to Pattaya coincides with his two week visit to the family home... the overlap depending of course on how long you'll be in town.

I am sure he made that one up about him being out of town, he must have a good one going on the side without his bf to hold back such profitable information about the boy.

All the best X,

Wes

[x in pattaya]

I already supplied the boy's name to Naklua. I have since removed the name from my earlier post since Naklua has it and I do have reservations about exposing boys to every psychopath stalker on this board ... and given the creepy PM I received from Wes, he's high up on that list.Now all I need is my special de-coder ring to figure out what this means:


...without his bf to hold back such profitable information about the boy.

My bf is holding back profitable information about a bar boy??? Profitable???

And all the best right back to ya' Wessie.

[x in pattaya]

Anyone been to Cartier since the low season bottomed out and things are presumably gearing up??