Stop changing the freaking subject line of the post!

[topjohn5]

Okay, I agree I shouldn't probably set up an advanced date eventhough this is exceedingly difficult for me not to do...but maybe I can resist....
So, based on my tastes where do I go to find the kind of guys I like in both BKK and Pattaya? Give me your opinions please! What bars, clubs, etc. would you go to first, second, third......in both BKK and Pattaya?
My tastes are very easy to find and satisfy in Thailand I have been told for this 41 year old top. I am interested in smallish, slender, boyish to twink, not muscular, 18-25 year old, gay, bottoms who are very affectionate and will kiss. Was that description clear enough!!!
And, yes while I fully intend on tasting the countries scenic, cultural and culinary delights I am fully expecting that Thai Boy (18-25 years old....that's for the Pedo-Natzi's on the board) will be on the menu in a big way! Or, I guess in a small way in my case.....
Thanks for you help!

gayromeo.com or gay.com - thailand

[Lunchtime O'Booze]

"My tastes are very easy to find in Thailand I have been told for this 41 year old top to satisfy. I am interested in smallish, slender, boyish to twink, not muscular, 18-25 year old, gay, bottoms who are very affectionate and will kiss. Was that description clear enough!!!

thank God, that leaves many more for me !

I've found those over 25 are much better sexually..who wants nutty teenagers !

"My tastes are very easy to find in Thailand I have been told for this 41 year old top to satisfy. I am interested in smallish, slender, boyish to twink, not muscular, 18-25 year old, gay, bottoms who are very affectionate and will kiss. Was that description clear enough!!!

thank God, that leaves many more for me !

I've found those over 25 are much better sexually..who wants nutty teenagers !








Obviously the OP does.

Personally I find the nuttier the boy, the better - makes me seem semi-sensible by comparison.

When I really object is when they drink more whisky than I do!

:cheers:

[Dodger]

topJohn5 wrote:


smallish, slender, boyish to twink, not muscular, 18-25 year old, gay, bottoms

You just described 25% of the working boy population. Another 25% are the boy-next-door types, and the remaining 50% are str8.

[Lunchtime O'Booze]

[quote="Lunchtime O'Booze":1vorr83n]"My tastes are very easy to find in Thailand I have been told for this 41 year old top to satisfy. I am interested in smallish, slender, boyish to twink, not muscular, 18-25 year old, gay, bottoms who are very affectionate and will kiss. Was that description clear enough!!!

thank God, that leaves many more for me !

I've found those over 25 are much better sexually..who wants nutty teenagers !








Obviously the OP does.

Personally I find the nuttier the boy, the better - makes me seem semi-sensible by comparison.

When I really object is when they drink more whisky than I do!

:cheers:[/quote:1vorr83n]

thankfully..I'll never have that problem.

[topjohn5]

So, what I understand is that this type plus maybe the same type but boy-next-door-ish (which will work too!) is so ubiquitous that I could almost walk into a any bar and close my eyes and point, lol? :cheers:

You can find them on every street corner and every website, perfectly free if you're not into rent.

[francois]

So, what I understand is that this type plus maybe the same type but boy-next-door-ish (which will work too!) is so ubiquitous that I could almost walk into a any bar and close my eyes and point, lol? :cheers:

Almost! Some bars in Pattaya and Bangkok sp├йcialise in "big boys"/muscle boys so maybe not your type. In Pattaya, Sunee Plaza has more twinky types and boyish types. The fun is in the hunt; just go from bar to bar and enjoy yourself.

Classic Boys in BKK is a good start, but there are plenty of other options.

After that, just walk into any gogo bar, spend 20 secs looking round -if you like it, order a beer, if not go immediately to the next one.

[neddy3]

Classic Boys in BKK is definitely the place to begin.

In Pattaya, Kawaii Boys in Pattayaland, or bars in Sunee.

... of completely destroying my reputation with this particular poster for one-liners, I suggest the following in preparation -

Go to the BBB website ( http://thaiboy.net/bbb/index.php?p=bbb ) and click on the links to the two bars. That will lead you to individual pics of each of their boys and in some cases to multiple pics in what's called a "Gallery". That will give you a reasonable (I won't say good) idea of the range of boys at those two bars which are (I'm getting prepred to be shot down in flames here) two of the leading go-go bars in Bangkok. Having said that, you can then assume that the twinkiest ones are of the type you'll see at Classic Boys, which seems to have the largest selection in the Silom area of that type. The boys in Solid Bar are also of that type, although the range is smaller. If you haven't yet discovered it, the Dreaded Ned site has a guide and maps to both Bangkok and Pattaya - here's the Silom area link, with bars etc. - http://www.dreadedned.com/directory/map/1/1/ - the bars I mention (except Solid) are all in the area denoted 13, 14 on the top left. Solid Bar is 28

[topjohn5]

... of completely destroying my reputation with this particular poster for one-liners, I suggest the following in preparation -

Go to the BBB website ( http://thaiboy.net/bbb/index.php?p=bbb ) and click on the links to the two bars. That will lead you to individual pics of each of their boys and in some cases to multiple pics in what's called a "Gallery". That will give you a reasonable (I won't say good) idea of the range of boys at those two bars which are (I'm getting prepred to be shot down in flames here) two of the leading go-go bars in Bangkok. Having said that, you can then assume that the twinkiest ones are of the type you'll see at Classic Boys, which seems to have the largest selection in the Silom area of that type. The boys in Solid Bar are also of that type, although the range is smaller. If you haven't yet discovered it, the Dreaded Ned site has a guide and maps to both Bangkok and Pattaya - here's the Silom area link, with bars etc. - http://www.dreadedned.com/directory/map/1/1/ - the bars I mention (except Solid) are all in the area denoted 13, 14 on the top left. Solid Bar is 28

Thanks Homi, after looking at the guys from the these two bars I am humbled and amazed. I picked guys ranging from 18-29 but what was more amazing was that I picked most guys in the 23-26 range which is usaully at the upper end of my tastes! I wouldn't have even kicked out of bed, lol, a guy or two in their low 30's. This surprises me a little and I need to see them in person to see if it really holds true. Gosh, having sex with someone approaching my own age makes me almost feel almost, well almost normal.......but, then I realize that I'm actually paying for it so that makes me feel better!

It sounds like you're into the idea of buying sex, but it is really not necessary if you don't want to. You are young enough to have an endless line of boys wanting you to fuck them for free.

Thanks Homi, after looking at the guys from the these two bars I am humbled and amazed. I picked guys ranging from 18-29 but what was more amazing was that I picked most guys in the 23-26 range which is usaully at the upper end of my tastes! I wouldn't have even kicked out of bed, lol, a guy or two in their low 30's. This surprises me a little and I need to see them in person to see if it really holds true. Gosh, having sex with someone approaching my own age makes me almost feel almost, well almost normal.......but, then I realize that I'm actually paying for it so that makes me feel better!There's a guy there who gives his age (and apparently it's true) as mid-thirties - he certainly looks nothing like that "in the flesh" - but as he's a top he probably has no appeal anyway (he is gay, however, unlike some of the others)

[topjohn5]

It sounds like you're into the idea of buying sex, but it is really not necessary if you don't want to. You are young enough to have an endless line of boys wanting you to fuck them for free.

You're serious? Do you believe honestly that a 41 year old no matter how well preserved and in shape (and I am) would be attractive to the vast majority of young Thai guys? I can't believe that it's such a treat to be with a foreigner twice your age that there is NO money expected or, maybe, it's just a hope that they have that a patron type of relationship will be formed that they would indulge me.....is that it? I still think that by any other name I'm still paying for it that way. But, maybe you're suggesting that I allow them to believe that I will take care of them and then don't do it! Is that it? I won't do that...at least intentionally anyway if you're suggesting it....

I don't believe...I know.

I'm in my forties (and no prize) and have a black book of dozens of names who are happy to get fucked by me by free any time of day or night. I can add new names to that black book any day or night by going to a sauna (not Babylon) or by getting on the net. And the sex is much better than you would get from most prostitutes.

You don't have to believe me if you don't want...that will just leave more nice non-money boys for the rest of us.

It sounds like you're into the idea of buying sex, but it is really not necessary if you don't want to. You are young enough to have an endless line of boys wanting you to fuck them for free.You're serious? Do you believe honestly that a 41 year old no matter how well preserved and in shape (and I am) would be attractive to the vast majority of young Thai guys?Bear in mind Chao Na's background. He's roughly the same age as you, and lives in Bangkok ie. he has an always available Internet connection and the leisure time to join chat rooms like gay.com (where he harasses people he doesn't like) or log into Web sites with his profile and wait for responses. You could go to Babylon or some other sauna where, doubtless, you will find guys who will be interested in having sex with you, no money involved. "Vast majority" would be an overstatement - many Thais are "sticky rice" and prefer other Asians. Like all saunas, anywhere, you'll spend a lot of time hanging around. Given your timeframe, is that the way you want to spend your evening? As I have no knowledge of Pattaya, a local will have to provide that perspective

(where he harasses people he doesn't like)

What the fuck are you on about now? I do no such thing. And I can find a high-quality trick on the internet in less time than it takes to have a drink and select a boy from a bar.

[topjohn5]

I don't believe...I know.

I'm in my forties (and no prize) and have a black book of dozens of names who are happy to get fucked by me by free any time of day or night. I can add new names to that black book any day or night by going to a sauna (not Babylon) or by getting on the net. And the sex is much better than you would get from most prostitutes.

You don't have to believe me if you don't want...that will just leave more nice non-money boys for the rest of us.

It's not that I don't believe you Choa Na it's just I have no reference point anywhere in my past or my travels, which are exstensive (but have never included Asia), to validate what you're saying. I will come to Thailand with an open mind and open heart and....an open wallet as a back-up plan, lol......

You have my attention, really and so, tell me about your guys....are they in the 18-25 year range and are they cute? And, what is it that they want....just sex with you? They like foreigners is that it?

18-25.

Cute. Some extremely cute.

Students, bored sons of rich families, kids in entry-level jobs.

Yesterday, I hooked up with a 21 year-old who studies at university and also works at a bookshop at Suvarnabhumi Airport. Half-Chinese, half-Thai, silky skin and beautiful, teen pop star-quality face. Great cock, too, and great in the sack. As we parted, he said "I hope we can get together and fuck often".

Yes, all many want is sex.

Thailand is not the same as Europe or North America when it comes to ageism (thankfully). You'll enjoy it here, trust me.

[Smiles]

" ... I'm in my forties (and no prize) ... "
Could there be any better reason to put Chao Na on ignore?
Actually, I think I've seen his photo somewhere, and he's certainly correct about being no prize :cyclops:
Perhaps he's saying (backhandedly) that Thai guys have no taste? Or perhaps I'm just kidding?

Cheers ...

" ... I'm in my forties (and no prize) ... "
Could there be any better reason to put Chao Na on ignore?
Actually, I think I've seen his photo somewhere, and he's certainly correct about being no prize :cyclops:
Perhaps he's saying (backhandedly) that Thai guys have no taste? Or perhaps I'm just kidding?

Cheers ...

I'd love to see that picture of my you think you've seen.

As for taste...

Some Thai boys have bad taste when it comes to farangs, and some farangs have bad taste when it comes to Thai boys...

Given your taste, here are some leads

Classic Boys BKK - Max (highly recommened and well fits your descriptions)

Solid Bar BKK - Number 11 (Po hope you will wake alive after a hectic night lol)

Bonny Massage - Nut (Little nutty, may be not a bottom)

Jupiter - X (waiter)

X-Boys - Number 10
X-Boys - Don (Dancer)
X-Boys - Note (University Student)

Golden Cock - Beer (Dorman - cute and your taste)

Fresh Beach Boys - Bobby (one time model)

When you return give me your honest feedback

If you need, contacts to freelance University/College students of your taste can be provided

Enjoy

[Patexpat]

quote: "You're serious? Do you believe honestly that a 41 year old no matter how well preserved and in shape (and I am) would be attractive to the vast majority of young Thai guys?"

I can't vouch for the MAJORITY of Thai boys, and I hate to have to agree with Chao Na, but there there are ample boys who genuinley like the more mature falang. I'm now 50 and Pompui but there are some very cute guys out there who WANT to be with me. My ex of a few years ago was truly stunning, and he loved my tummy - but being 'only' 84kg he dumped me after a few years for someone who is 145kg!! (Yes, Ok even I find that funny now ..)

But another friend, age 26 regularly sees me AND takes me out ... last time at Cabbages And Condoms he insisted on picking up the bill, and tried to pay when we went to Casa Pascal too but I insisted on splitting the bill there ... another friend is a service chief at a hotel, and he won't look at anyone under 40 and without a tummy .... and the list goes on ...

So guys don't undervalue yourself and whilst paid sex can be easy and very convenient (and NOTHING wrong with that) there are other avenues to explore!

... falang. ... Pompui Might it be useful to assume that as this is the guy's first trip to Thailand he doesn't know what Thai words mean (apart from the general pretentiousness of using Thai words when there are perfectly adequate English alternatives)? In this case Patexpat is saying he's a fat Westerner

[Patexpat]

ah Hom, yet again you manage to jump to wrong conclusions and frankly talk boll*x, bless you.

So unless that is 22 years experience of Thailand and running a succesful business here is means I'm still green around the gills, I think your conclusion is incorrect.

And yes, I am a fat falang. Oh sorry, thats pretentious isn't it to use the language of the country I'm living in!!

(yes, ok and before you split peas and give us a history of the word 'falang' I know that it's not a real Thai word).

[Brad the Impala]

It sounds like you're into the idea of buying sex, but it is really not necessary if you don't want to. You are young enough to have an endless line of boys wanting you to fuck them for free.

As a general guide, in any country, it seems that bottoms are more open to a wider age range of partners than tops. This certainly applies to those looking for partners online, on sites like Gay Romeo and Gaydar.

In Thailand it would apply to an ever greater extent!

[PeterUK]

(yes, ok and before you split peas and give us a history of the word 'falang' I know that it's not a real Thai word).

Not sure what you mean by 'not a real Thai word'. 'Farang' (better written as it is spelt rather than often pronounced) is just a shortened form of the Thai word farangset meaning Frenchman. It came into common usage in the late seventeenth century when the French had a garrison in what is now Bangkok. It soon came to mean all foreigners of Western extraction. There, now I've got in first with the potted history.

[Patexpat]

now thats what I like - concise, eloquent and accurate .. SO unusual on here .... :cheers:

ah Hom, yet again you manage to jump to wrong conclusions and frankly talk boll*x, bless you.I was talking about topjohn5, dear boy, and his probable lack of familiarity with the Thai language. As I recall he's told us this is his first trip. I guess you were talking about yourself (as usual) and thought everyone else was too?

ah Hom, yet again you manage to jump to wrong conclusions and frankly talk boll*x, bless you.I was talking about topjohn, dear boy, and his lack of familiarity with the Thai language. I guess you were talking about yourself?

Well Patexpat, despite being a new member here, whilst I can't comment on whether I believe your knowledge of Thailand to be as good as you say it is, I do however think your knowledge of this forum to be sufficient enough to be able to say to you: that I don't understand and am confused, as to why you thought Hommie's comments were directed at anybody other than topjohn. I believe that his reply to you above, is more than deserved on your part and will add, that I thought you were let off extremely lightly by him.

My reason for saying the above is, Hommie has obviously not been feeling his normal self the past few days, evident by not only his posts being considerably longer than they normally are, but also by the keenness he has shown in trying to help and answer the questions, of someone that is going to be visiting the LOS for the first time.

My main point being in saying all of this to you is, if Hommie's comments are ever directed at you personally, let me assure you that there will be absolutely no room for any misunderstanding on your part, that they were meant for someone else. On that you can most definitely rest assured. Cow Jai? ;)


Choc Dee Patexpat, just my two satangs worth offered for no other reason, than a genuine attempt on my part to be helpful.


George.

P.S. Thought I would take a leaf out of your book Hommie, in making an attempt to help new members when I thought they needed it. My sincere wishes to you my dear, that you make a full and speedy recovery. http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk216/ThaiRakThai/2395.gif

[Patexpat]

Actually Hom when I'm wrong I readily admit it, and in this case I was - one of my many faults is that I scan rather than read .... so ooops .... I did misinterpret your reply ....

Not sure what you mean by 'not a real Thai word'. 'Farang' (better written as it is spelt rather than often pronounced) is just a shortened form of the Thai word farangset meaning Frenchman. It came into common usage in the late seventeenth century when the French had a garrison in what is now Bangkok. It soon came to mean all foreigners of Western extraction. There, now I've got in first with the potted history.

You can look this word up in any number of sources and find out that your explanation is backwards. "Farang," as a first approximation, is a borrowing from Persian -- and the word "farang" is a Persian word -- and there were Persian merchants in Ayyuthaya when the first white men appeared.

Even more fascinating (to word fans like me) is where the Persians got it. Probably from the Arabs, but possibly from the Byzantine Christians, who referred to all Western European pope-reverencing Christians as "Franks." (Obviously, the country "France" got its name from this tribe of "barbarians.") So we have a long history of the Byzantines, and the Arabs, referring to their religious enemy as "franks == farang").

What is even more telling, for the word-fan, is that this word "farang" turns up in a number of Asian languages, with the same exact meaning: white-skinned or Caucasian, most definitely not "French." The Thai word "farangset" would have been a kind of back-formation, trying to spell the word "francais" in Thai, with prior knowledge of the word "farang."

Of course, it goes without saying that "farang" is a "real Thai word," just like any borrowed word in any language. And one of the most fascinating things about the study of Thai is trying to trace etymologies.

Well, I'm having fun here, so:

What do the Thai word for "rose" and the American "mint julep" have in common???? This one is really strange!!

Back to Persian, and the word for "rose-water" or "Jersualem rose" -- GOLAAB. (GOL: flower AAB: water. Think: AAB NAM: take a shower). The word journeyed over Eastwards to Thailand, where it showed up as "rose" -- dawk gulaab. But westwards, it journeyed to England and America, changing its meaning as it went from "sweet-smelling water" to "sweet-tasting water." And so it shows up at the Kentucky Derby as "mint JULEP."

So now I'll tiptoe out! :-)

[Patexpat]

Henry, I truly doff my hat to you!!

[francois]

topjohn5; having read many of the bar suggestions for your type of guy, I recommend you explore for yourself. One suggestion, Solid in BKK, has not the typical "boy next door" unless you are into horror films.

... the word "farang" is a Persian word


Henry, I truly doff my hat to you!!

Why? He has simply taken the information straight from the ESL Teachers' Board, who copied it straight from Wikipedia, and mis-read it:

Origins and related words:
A popular theory of the word's origin derives it from farangset, the Thai pronunciation of fran├зais, the French word for 'French' or 'Frenchman'. France was one of the first European nations to establish cultural ties with Thailand in the 17th century, so to Thais at that time, 'white man' and 'Frenchman' were synonymous. However, the Portuguese, Dutch and others arrived long before the French, which makes that origin unlikely. A few others have suggested that in the Ayutthaya period, land was given to the Portuguese merchants to conduct their business at "Baan Farang" (Guava Village).

Another common etymology, which explains why many other Southern Asian and Southeast Asian languages use the word, has to do with the French but in a more indirect way, saying that it derives from the earlier Persian word farangi, 'foreigners'. This in turn comes from the word frank via the Arabic word firinjia, which was used refer to the Franks (French) in the Middle Ages. The French were later the first European nation that helped the Ghajar Kings modernize the Iranian government, in particular with the establishment of customs. Long before English, and until about the 1960s, French was the foreign language of choice for educated Iranians. The abundance of French words in the Persian language attests to this fact.

"Farang" is not a Persian word, even though it is often quoted as such by those claiming to be experts on either Thailand or the Middle East (or both). No Persian (Iranian) would understand what you were saying if you said "farang", as the word for foreigner in Persian is farangi, although some Africans might. Some gay Trekkies might too, remembering Quark the Ferengi bar owner who briefly became Lumba (a female Ferengi), had an affair with Pel (a female Ferengi who dressed as a male), married and divorced the Klingon Grilka, and tried to seduce a Vulcan. Busy guy.

أحْمَق خدا حاف

[Brad the Impala]

[quote="Henry Cate":mxcacn6j]... the word "farang" is a Persian word


Henry, I truly doff my hat to you!!

Why? He has simply taken the information straight from the ESL Teachers' Board, who copied it straight from Wikipedia, and mis-read it:

Origins and related words:
A popular theory of the word's origin derives it from farangset, the Thai pronunciation of fran├зais, the French word for 'French' or 'Frenchman'. France was one of the first European nations to establish cultural ties with Thailand in the 17th century, so to Thais at that time, 'white man' and 'Frenchman' were synonymous. However, the Portuguese, Dutch and others arrived long before the French, which makes that origin unlikely. A few others have suggested that in the Ayutthaya period, land was given to the Portuguese merchants to conduct their business at "Baan Farang" (Guava Village).

Another common etymology, which explains why many other Southern Asian and Southeast Asian languages use the word, has to do with the French but in a more indirect way, saying that it derives from the earlier Persian word farangi, 'foreigners'. This in turn comes from the word frank via the Arabic word firinjia, which was used refer to the Franks (French) in the Middle Ages. The French were later the first European nation that helped the Ghajar Kings modernize the Iranian government, in particular with the establishment of customs. Long before English, and until about the 1960s, French was the foreign language of choice for educated Iranians. The abundance of French words in the Persian language attests to this fact.

"Farang" is not a Persian word, even though it is often quoted as such by those claiming to be experts on either Thailand or the Middle East (or both). No Persian (Iranian) would understand what you were saying if you said "farang", as the word for foreigner in Persian is farangi, although some Africans might. Some gay Trekkies might too, remembering Quark the Ferengi bar owner who briefly became Lumba (a female Ferengi), had an affair with Pel (a female Ferengi who dressed as a male), married and divorced the Klingon Grilka, and tried to seduce a Vulcan. Busy guy.

أحْمَق خدا حاف[/quote:mxcacn6j]

I wouldn't say that Henry's theory is right or wrong. The truth is surely that no one knows for certain, but there are many theories and opinions. However looking at your quote and Henry's comments it hardly seems that he has copied it!

And what is the uncreditted source for your theory GF?

[quote="Henry Cate":278e6q0t]... the word "farang" is a Persian word ....

I wouldn't say that Henry's theory is right or wrong. ..... And what is the uncreditted source for your theory GF?[/quote:278e6q0t]

I did not say that "his" theory was "right or wrong" either - just his Persian, which he has claimed to be an expert on.

I did not put forward any theory, so how can I "creditt" any source for it? Maybe HC could include you in his English classes, Brad the Liar - you really do have a problem with basic comprehension.

[Brad the Impala]

Henry said "farang" was a Persian word, you say it isn't, I have no knowledge of Persian, so wondered on what basis you formed that opinion.

Do you speak Persian? Have you done a little google? What's the basis for your assertion?

You then go on to quote chapter and verse from what is probably a Star Trek episode including the names of presumably minor characters. Are you that much of a fan, or did you just do a little google again, in which case why not note the source?

Brad the Liar,

why do you find it so important to demonstrate your lack of any mental ability so often? That, by the way is a rhetorical question (meaning you are under no obligation to answer it) and, if you do, I will not waste my time replying.


Henry said "farang" was a Persian word, you say it isn't, I have no knowledge of Persian, so wondered on what basis you formed that opinion.

Had you read what I posted you would not be wondering, nor would you be making an idiot of yourself (yet again): .....it derives from the earlier Persian word farangi, 'foreigners'..... I said then that the quote was "straight from the ESL Teachers' Board, who copied it straight from Wikipedia".


Do you speak Persian? Have you done a little google? What's the basis for your assertion?

In order:

Yes, but far from fluently and not for some 20 years so I am rather rusty at best. Also some Arabic, Hindi, Baluch, Nepalese, French and even some Thai (all to varying degrees), as well as a very limited amount of Bahasa Indonesian and a minimal amount of German. [Edit: Sorry, forgot classical Latin at Oxbidge GCE O level standard (roughly eqivalent to American high school diploma standard) and sufficient Cantonese to give a Hong Kong taxi driver directions]

Yes - I generally do if I want to check something I am not 100% sure of. Maybe you should try it.

See the above - and check it.


You then go on to quote chapter and verse from what is probably a Star Trek episode including the names of presumably minor characters. Are you that much of a fan, or did you just do a little google again, in which case why not note the source?

Actually a series (Star Trek: Deep Space Nine). No, I am not that much of a fan, however I was aware that ferengi featured in Star Trek so I did indeed do "a little google again" and thought Quark may add a little levity - clearly it was way over your head. I saw no need to note the source, as (a) it was unimportant and hardly likely to be the subject of a debate as to fact and (b) readily available to anyone with a search engine and a brain cell; evidently you lack both.

أحْمَق خدا حاف (maybe HC will help you out - it is very basic)

GFAm I the only one to have noticed that GF could equally stand for that popular term of affection used in the American gay soap "Noah's Ark" - Girl Friend?

Thank you for your apology Patexpat - I often speed read myself - and of course having so many wankers on {Ignore} is an aid to that :drunken:

[Smiles]

" ... bal bla (fussing here and there) bla bla bla ... "
" ... Henry, I truly doff my hat to you!! ... "
" ... Why? He has simply taken the information straight from the ESL Teachers' Board, who copied it straight from Wikipedia, and mis-read it ... "
:cheers: God!!! ... I love this Board.

Cheers ...

[lonelywombat]

Topjohn5 it is about this time,you cut your losses and update your question based on any valuable replies you receive between the garbage

Hopefully Jinks will end this

Hopefully Jinks will end thisLike you, lonelywombat, I am in favour of voluntary euthanasia

[topjohn5]

Topjohn5 it is about this time,you cut your losses and update your question based on any valuable replies you receive between the garbage

Hopefully Jinks will end this

I'd love too ....If I understood what it was I should do, hahahaha.....I figured that these posts just died a natural death of neglect!
But your suggesting I should keep this thing going by changing the question and the title, is that correct?

[lonelywombat]

Topjohn5 it is about this time,you cut your losses and update your question based on any valuable replies you receive between the garbage

Hopefully Jinks will end this

I'd love too ....If I understood what it was I should do, hahahaha.....I figured that these posts just died a natural death of neglect!
But your suggesting I should keep this thing going by changing the question and the title, is that correct?

No but as the original poster you can change the title of the thread into say
Boring discussion of origin of word farang

Then after getting what info is of value from earlier posts,reframe your question in a new thread

The truth is surely that no one knows for certain, but there are many theories and opinions.

The truth? Ha ha, that's a good one Brad the Liar. What would you know about anything that involves the truth? http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk216/ThaiRakThai/2003_rolling_eyes_backwards.gif



G.

truth? Ha ha, that's a good one Brad the Liar. What would you know about anything that involves the truth? http://www.sawatdee-gay-thailand.com/fo ... 15988.html (http://www.sawatdee-gay-thailand.com/forum/roll-up-roll-up-rag-week-for-george-t15988.html)

Now you've done it, topjohn5 - Brad the brainless will be asking what the connection with insects is!

Experts abounding! I do speak Farsi (or I used to), and I had to find out this information all by myself. I later discovered that lots of people had already been down that path -- and I wouldn't be surprised if some people had simply taken my information and passed it off on their own.

Anyhow: Point 1 -- "farang" is not a Persian word. Wrong. I am looking at The Larger Persian English Dictionary, compiled by S. Haim, which is where I first stumbled across the first evidence of the truth. If you consult that dictionary, you will find farang quite clearly defined as "A Frank, European" plus farangistan as Europe.

As to where the Persians got the word, one obvious source would be the Arabs, who conquered Persia during the early Islamic era. But another possibility is that the Persians got it directly from the Byzantines. I was pretty careful not to make a commitment on any of this.

Anyhow, Dr. Fishing and Dr. Impala, you may have noticed that when I cite Wikipedia I always give a URL. I don't think I've ever read that ESL book mentioned.

I bet you won't find that stuff about the Thai word for "rose" and the American "mint julep" anywhere else in the world. Although I haven't looked recently.

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I. Some Thai Etymologies


1. farang ( ฟรั่ง ) European, Caucasian
Persian farang, European, and farangistan, Europe.
Byzantine Greek frank c. 800 A.D. or Arabic ifranji, European, firanja, Europe, land of the Franks.

2. dawk gulaab ( ดอกกุหลาบ ) rose
Urdu gulaab, rose; Hindi gulabi, rose
Persian golaab, rose-water, (Jerusalem) rose

3. angun ( องุ่น ) grape
Urdu/Hindi ang-goor, grape
Persian an-goor, grape.

4. phasaa ( ภาษา ) language
Hindi bhaashaa, language.

5. sawatdii ( สวัสดี ) well-being
Sanskrit svasdi, well-being.
Related word: SWASTIKA.



II. A List of Thai Words with Indo-European Roots



1. theewaa, theewaadaa ( เทวา , เทวาดา ) god(s)
Sanskrit devah, god, and deva-, divine.
Indo-European dyeu-, to shine (and in many derivatives, "sky, heaven, god.")
Related words: JOVE, JOVIAL, JUPITER, JULY, ZEUS, TIU, TUESDAY, DEITY, DEUS, DIEU, DIVA, DIVINE, DEVANAGARI, ASMODEUS, from Avestan daeva, demon.


2. manut ( มนุษย์ ) human
Sanskrit manusya, human
Indo-European man-, man.
Related words: MAN, NORMAN, YEOMAN, &C.


3. wit ( วิทย์ ) knowledge
Sanskrit vid-, to know
Indo-European weid-, to see.
Related words: VIDEO, WIT, VIEW, VISION, VISTA, CLAIRVOYANT, WISSEN, WISDOM, VEDA. Greek EIDOS, form: IDEA, IDOL, IDEALISM.


4. naam ( นาม ) name
Sanskrit naman, name (or Hindi/Urdu naam)
Indo-European no-mn, name.
Related words: NAME, NOMINAL, NOUN, MISNOMER, PRONOUN, RENOWN, ANONYMOUS, PSEUDONYM.


5. hima ( หิมะ ) snow.
Sanskrit himah, snow.
Indo-European ghei-, winter.
Related words: HIMALAYAN MOUNTAINS, HIEMAL, from Latin HIEMUS (winter), HIBERNATE, CHIMERA, HIVER.


6. phuum ( ภูมิ ) earth, land; status, level.
Sanskrit bhumi-, land.
Indo-European bheu?-, to be.
Related words: Greek PHUEIN,to bring forth, PHUTOS, a plant, PHUSIS, nature. BE, BEFORE, PHYSICS, PHYLUM.


7. mahaa ( มหา ) great.
Sanskrit mahaa, mahat, great.
Indo-European meg-, great.
Related words: MEGA, MAGNIFICENT, MAGNUM, MAGNIFY, MAJESTY, MAGISTRATE, MISTER, MASTER.


8. look ( โลก ) the world
Hindi lok, world (three in total)
Sanskrit loka-, open place or clearing
Indo-European leuk-, light, brightness.
Related words: LIGHT, LUCIFER, LUCENT, ILLUMINATE, ILLUSTRATE, LUNATIC, ELUCIDATE, TRANSLUCENT.


9. eak, thoo, trii, chattawa ( ่ ้ ๊ ๋ ) 1,2,3,4
Hindi/Urdu ek, do, tin, caar
Sanskrit ?
Indo-European oi-no, dwo-. trei-, kwetwer-
Related words: QUATRE, QUATUOR.


10. chiiwit ( ชีวิต ) life
Sanskrit jiiv-, jiiva-, jiivita, life.
Indo-European gwei?-, to live, be alive
Related words: QUICK, VIVACIOUS, VIABLE, VITAMIN, AZOTH from Middle Persian *ZHIWAAK, alive, Old Persian JIIVA, JIIVAKA. Hindi JIIVAN.


11. praraachaa ( พระราชา ) king
Sanskrit raja, king.
Indo-European reg-, to move in a straight line, to rule.
Related words: ROYAL, REGENT, REX, REICH, REGAL, &C.


12. aab ( อาบ ) to bathe
Sanskrit aap, water.
Indo-European ap-, water.
Related words: PUNJAB (Persian panj ab, "five waters"), JULEP (Persian gol-ab, "rose-water").



13. meek ( เมฆ ) a cloud
Sanskrit megha-, a cloud.
Indo-European meigh-, to urinate.
Related words: MIST, MIZZLE, MICTURATE.


14. tham ( ธรรม ) Buddhist teaching, Dharma
Sanskrit dharma, statute, law (= "that which is established firmly")
Indo-European dher-, to hold firmly, support
Related words: FARM, FIRM, FIRMAMENT, AFFIRM, THRONE, ZAMINDAR, DARIUS.



SOURCES:
BUCK: A DICTIONARY OF SELECTED SYNONYMS IN THE PRINCIPAL INDO-EUROPEAN LANGUAGES
WATKINS: THE AMERICAN HERITAGE DICTIONARY OF INDO-EUROPEAN ROOTS
RICHARD DELACEY(LONELY PLANET): A HINDI & URDU PHRASEBOOK

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But, of course, I got all this from an ESL book and Wikipedia. :-0

[TrongpaiExpat]

Henry, I have never met you but thought of you tonight when I went to the screening of ' Be Like Others' a very unique Persian film on transsexuals and homosexuality in Iran. The director, an American Persian did a nice Q and A after the movie. The movie was for Western release only.


www.bangkokfilm.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=147%3Abe-like-others&catid=11%3Afilms-by-title&Itemid=84&lang=en (http://www.bangkokfilm.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=147%3Abe-like-others&catid=11%3Afilms-by-title&Itemid=84&lang=en)

[Brad the Impala]

Experts abounding! I do speak Farsi (or I used to), and I had to find out this information all by myself. I later discovered that lots of people had already been down that path -- and I wouldn't be surprised if some people had simply taken my information and passed it off on their own.

Anyhow: Point 1 -- "farang" is not a Persian word. Wrong. I am looking at The Larger Persian English Dictionary, compiled by S. Haim, which is where I first stumbled across the first evidence of the truth. If you consult that dictionary, you will find farang quite clearly defined as "A Frank, European" plus farangistan as Europe.

As to where the Persians got the word, one obvious source would be the Arabs, who conquered Persia during the early Islamic era. But another possibility is that the Persians got it directly from the Byzantines. I was pretty careful not to make a commitment on any of this.

Anyhow, Dr. Fishing and Dr. Impala, you may have noticed that when I cite Wikipedia I always give a URL. I don't think I've ever read that ESL book mentioned.



Match point, on his own serve, to Henry! Can GFed return it? (sounds of scrambling keyboards for weighty research) Is S. Haim's Larger Persian-English Dictionary available on line?

[quote="Henry Cate"]
1. farang ( ฟรั่ง ) European, Caucasian
Persian farang, European, and farangistan, Europe.
Byzantine Greek frank c. 800 A.D. or Arabic ifranji, European, firanja, Europe, land of the Franks.

2. dawk gulaab ( ดอกกุหลาบ ) rose
Urdu gulaab, rose; Hindi gulabi, rose
Persian golaab, rose-water, (Jerusalem) rose


5. sawatdii ( สวัสดี ) well-being
Sanskrit svasdi, well-being.
Related word: SWASTIKA.



10. chiiwit ( ชีวิต ) life
Sanskrit jiiv-, jiiva-, jiivita, life.
Indo-European gwei?-, to live, be alive
Related words: QUICK, VIVACIOUS, VIABLE, VITAMIN, AZOTH from Middle Persian *ZHIWAAK, alive, Old Persian JIIVA, JIIVAKA. Hindi JIIVAN.


Hey, Mr. Smarty Pants. You've spelled all three of these words incorrectly in Thai.

Hey, Mr. Smarty Pants. You've spelled all three of these words incorrectly in Thai.

Hardly surprising, Chao Na.

The chances of most Iranians knowing what a "farang" is are about as good as most Europeans knowing what a "Frank" is; the chances of an Iranian recognising the word "farangi", however, are as good as those of most English speakers knowing what a "foreigner" is - rather more, I would guess.

Brad and HC, أحْمَق خدا حاف to both of you.

[quote="Henry Cate":1ip8mm9h]
1. farang ( ฟรั่ง ) European, Caucasian
Persian farang, European, and farangistan, Europe.
Byzantine Greek frank c. 800 A.D. or Arabic ifranji, European, firanja, Europe, land of the Franks.

2. dawk gulaab ( ดอกกุหลาบ ) rose
Urdu gulaab, rose; Hindi gulabi, rose
Persian golaab, rose-water, (Jerusalem) rose


5. sawatdii ( สวัสดี ) well-being
Sanskrit svasdi, well-being.
Related word: SWASTIKA.



10. chiiwit ( ชีวิต ) life
Sanskrit jiiv-, jiiva-, jiivita, life.
Indo-European gwei?-, to live, be alive
Related words: QUICK, VIVACIOUS, VIABLE, VITAMIN, AZOTH from Middle Persian *ZHIWAAK, alive, Old Persian JIIVA, JIIVAKA. Hindi JIIVAN.


Hey, Mr. Smarty Pants. You've spelled all three of these words incorrectly in Thai.[/quote:1ip8mm9h]

Well, this is your life, isn't it? Never post anything original of your own, but lurk and point out faults in others. What a misery it must be, to be you.

Anyway, to the substance of your "posting," such as it is. Are you talking about the words in THAI, or their transliteration into the Latin alphabet? Since you don't bother to say, I'm going to assume that you are talking about the characters in Thai, and I would not be shocked or amazed to find typos there, since this list was compiled some six years ago, when I was still learning how to read and write Thai.

So I spelled ALL THREE words wrong, huh? Well, I count FOUR entries cited by you, and FIVE words. One point for me: I can count!

You are right about "farang." The first letter should have the tiny circle on the inside, not the outside. But I can't see anything wrong with the others.

Of course, you might actually try to accomplish something positive, and show me how you think they should be spelled. But that's not quite you, is it?

I stand corrected. Only "farang" was spelled incorrectly (in Thai characters) -- as you acknowledge.

Why don't you give it a rest.
It was at least short not your usual boring rant :bounce:

[quote="Chao Na":17nmmcsl]Hey, Mr. Smarty Pants. You've spelled all three of these words incorrectly in Thai.

Hardly surprising, Chao Na.

The chances of most Iranians knowing what a "farang" is are about as good as most Europeans knowing what a "Frank" is; the chances of an Iranian recognising the word "farangi", however, are as good as those of most English speakers knowing what a "foreigner" is - rather more, I would guess.

Brad and HC, أحْمَق خدا حاف to both of you.[/quote:17nmmcsl]

A pretty fast jump to the wrong conclusion, Dr. Fishing. If you had only waited a few minutes, you would have realized that Chao Na had made a rather serious fuck-up. Out of 19 entries, he cited four entries as being "spelled wrong" and was himself wrong 75% of the time.

Gee, when I was growing up with the Internet, I learned pretty quickly that "typo Nazis" were regarded as bad form.

But....they're BACK! :-0

As fattman said, not so long ago, I'm like REALLY SORRY about getting ONE LETTER wrong in my whole posting.

:al:

A pretty fast jump to the wrong conclusion, Dr. Fishing.

What wrong conclusion?

That your first-hand knowledge of Persian and Iran is as limited and warped as your knowledge of Thai and Thailand?

That your knowledge of Persian appears to be based on a dictionary written 75 years ago, last updated over 60 years ago?

That you think "a Frank" and "a foreigner" are the same thing?

That someone who claims to be an experienced English teacher has never heard of the internet site the ESL Teachers Board?

That you clearly have no idea what I wrote, even though the salutation is one of the most commonly spoken in the Persian language?

Bye, bye

أحْمَق خدا حاف

[quote="Henry Cate":36l0h7nw]A pretty fast jump to the wrong conclusion, Dr. Fishing.

What wrong conclusion?

That your first-hand knowledge of Persian and Iran is as limited and warped as your knowledge of Thai and Thailand?

That your knowledge of Persian appears to be based on a dictionary written 75 years ago, last updated over 60 years ago?

That you think "a Frank" and "a foreigner" are the same thing?

That someone who claims to be an experienced English teacher has never heard of the internet site the ESL Teachers Board?

That you clearly have no idea what I wrote, even though the salutation is one of the most commonly spoken in the Persian language?

Bye, bye

أحْمَق خدا حاف[/quote:36l0h7nw]

Your jump to the wrong conclusion that Chao Na was right, duh.

I lived in Iran for two years with an Iranian lover, duh.

I am an experienced English teacher, and I proudly admit to total ignorance of your stupid website.

And I never once said, wrote or implied that "farang" means "foreigner." As I probably said too many times, it means "white man" or "Caucasian." A Japanese guy is not a farang, duh, and I never said so, doooooooh.

What you wrote looks like ARABIC to me. It can't be a salutation, duh, because it says "You are an ignorant fool," as far as I can tell. And I think you misspelled "jiddan" -- duh.

There is a time to fish, Dr. Fishing, and there is a time to cut bait. You have made so many mistakes by now that you should be ashamed of yourself. Really. ASHAMED. You weirdly accused me of stealing my stuff from your obscure little ESL website, and, when I told you that I was unaware of it, you accused me of shameful ignorance. You wrongly accused me of stealing my stuff from Wikipedia, and, when that particular line of "reasoning" was shown to be just wishful thinking, you then hurried to join the Peasant-Pope (Chao Na) in his equally weird accusations of misspelling.

I will say it again: you should be ASHAMED OF YOURSELF. YOUR CONDUCT HAS BEEN DISGRACEFUL. And you have been, quite frankly, wrong about everything.

Peace and love, asshole.

My apologies HC, I am ashamed - of crediting you with being able to read and comprehend English as well as Persian, and of at least a modicum of honesty. As you so rightly say, I " have been, quite frankly, wrong about everything."

"Your jump to the wrong conclusion that Chao Na was right, duh."

I neither jumped, nor concluded - I merely said that any mis-spelling was "hardly surprising"; I actually never bothered to read the Thai, as I freely admit that my written Thai is very basic and I would, in any case, have needed a magnifying glass.

" I lived in Iran for two years with an Iranian lover, duh.

And you have, I believe, lived here for considerably longer but that has not made you any better informed.

"I am an experienced English teacher, and I proudly admit to total ignorance of your stupid website.

Hardly "my" website - I am no more an English teacher than a shopkeeper.

"And I never once said, wrote or implied that "farang" means "foreigner." As I probably said too many times, it means "white man" or "Caucasian."

Mea culpa. I had tried to "dumb it down" but had obviously not gone far enough for you. Instead of "foreigner" I should have written "That you think "a Frank" and "a European" are the same thing, since you wrote "Persian farang, European" which is totally incorrect - farang in Persian means Frank, and is no longer in common usage, while farangi (a word you appear unaware of) means European.

" What you wrote looks like ARABIC to me. It can't be a salutation, duh, because it says "You are an ignorant fool," as far as I can tell."

Apparently you can tell very little; it is very clearly Farsi script, not Arabic, and it simply means "Goodbye, you idiot".

"You weirdly accused me of stealing my stuff from your obscure little ESL website, and, when I told you that I was unaware of it, you accused me of shameful ignorance. You wrongly accused me of stealing my stuff from Wikipedia,тАж.

Mea culpa, I am ashamed. I actually said that the ESL site had copied it from Wikipedia and I made the stupid assumption that being "an experienced English teacher" you may have seen it there; I should have said "probably", as this "derivation" story and other variants have been around for decades (I heard it over 20 years ago) and foolishly it never crossed my mind that you would make the outrageous claim that you " had to find out this information all by myself. I later discovered that lots of people had already been down that path -- and I wouldn't be surprised if some people had simply taken my information and passed it off on their own.". I should have known better.

I am also ashamed that I did not acknowledge your generosity in sparing us a blow by blow(metaphorical, of course) account of your sex life in Iran.

I am indeed ashamed. Really. I believed you (well, a little bit) and thought that you were just guilty of your usual exaggeration and forgot that instead you would be full of your proverbial crap. Disgraceful indeed.


Genuinely, I am ashamed that this particular part of this thread, which is nothing more than childish sniping (in which I have played a leading part) has received more views and posts than a current thread on why Thai bar workers are dying totally unnecessarily and avoidably of AIDS, which has been largely ignored. If nothing else, this will make me think a little more carefully about what I post.

[Smiles]

" ... Let me think ..."

" ... Have we got that long? ... "

" ... I will say it again: you should be ASHAMED OF YOURSELF. YOUR CONDUCT HAS BEEN DISGRACEFUL. And you have been, quite frankly, wrong about everything.

Peace and love, asshole ... "
GOD!! I love this Board!!! :geek:

GF: 1[/*:m:2ucnomow]
HC: 0[/*:m:2ucnomow]

Cheers ...

[topjohn5]

This was a post about finding Thai guys of my type then it morphed into a discussion about the word farang.....I changed the title days ago but to no avail as it still lives on....please terminate this post!

[Smiles]

" ... This was a post about finding finding Thai guys of my type then it morphed into a discussion about the word farang.....I changed the title day ago to no avail as it still lives on....please terminate this post! ... "
Why get rid of the topic, or ask to close it? You've received a very large number of legit and thoughtful replies to your original question, so be happy.
The last few pages are a spectacular (and typical) example of a Sawatdee free excursion into Off-Topic Land and into a damn hilarious example of pompous one-upsmanship games between two self-important egomaniacs ... dig it!

Cheers ...

... two self-important egomaniacs ... Neither of them me!

You started this and now you're gonna have to see it thru to the end!

You forgot rule #43 of the board - "Any thread that goes over 3 pages must, by law, go off topic".

And just to add my 2 cents to keep things going....
A poster a while back (too far for me to refernce now) stated that the French were stationed in Bangkok in the 17th century.
Sorry. Bangkok didn't exist in the 17th century aside from a farming village.
Perhaps he meant to say Ayutthaya or Lopburi?

[topjohn5]

" ... This was a post about finding finding Thai guys of my type then it morphed into a discussion about the word farang.....I changed the title day ago to no avail as it still lives on....please terminate this post! ... "
Why get rid of the topic, or ask to close it? You've received a very large number of legit and thoughtful replies to your original question, so be happy.
The last few pages are a spectacular (and typical) example of a Sawatdee free excursion into Off-Topic Land and into a damn hilarious example of pompous one-upsmanship games between two self-important egomaniacs ... dig it!

Cheers ...

Smiles, I did get lots of good info from my original post and I did find the next part that it morped in to quite funny......and after changing the title once the readership increased and so I wanted to see what would happen after changing it again! I also wanted to see if it really gets terminated or not as I don't know how this board really works! This is a test at this point! I do "dig it"!

[catawampuscat]

Well, this ought to derail your thread topjonny..
I am in receipt of several, (ok, two) pms indicating the strong possibility
that hedda has returned in the form of gone fishing.
I have been an outspoken critic of hedda for too long and have to agree
there is a similarity with gone fishing. Irritating, haughty, self righteous,
vicious and a total bitch.

Well, lets see if this ends your thread topjonny.
hint to gonefishing: your non stop attacks on Brad the Impala have really gotten old and are extremely childish name calling. I should know as I have not been immune to name calling and of course receiving some well deserved nastiness right back. So is gonefishing the
new revised hedda back from his most boring baht-stop. I vote maybe... :cat:

gone fishing. Irritating, haughty, self righteous, vicious and a total bitch.You may be right - I've had Gone Fishing on {Ignore} for a long time now, and whenever someone quotes something GF has written, I recall why. However kenc (who has me on {Ignore}, silly boy) pointed out in the Bosnia thread (Another Country) that GF was kow-towing to those in authority and that doesn't sound like a Hedda characteristic - unless of course Hedda is the authority!

.....I changed the title days ago but to no avail as it still lives on....please terminate this post!

What makes you think you have even the slightest right to influence the way "your" thread runs? You have been given the privilege of being allowed to spawn a thread - a little bit like a drunken shag behind the bike sheds leading to an unexpected pregnancy - and then you think you can some back cyber years later and exert a decisive influence on the future of your bastard child? Good grief man stop acting like a total wimp and pull your socks up. As Fanny said to Johhny "if you can't stand the heat, put on an asbestos pinny"

[topjohn5]

.....I changed the title days ago but to no avail as it still lives on....please terminate this post!

What makes you think you have even the slightest right to influence the way "your" thread runs? You have been given the privilege of being allowed to spawn a thread - a little bit like a drunken shag behind the bike sheds leading to an unexpected pregnancy - and then you think you can some back cyber years later and exert a decisive influence on the future of your bastard child? Good grief man stop acting like a total wimp and pull your socks up. As Fanny said to Johhny "if you can't stand the heat, put on an asbestos pinny"

This is what I thought might happenn when I changed the title of my post again......I attempted to make the title so over the top, and as if I was so outraged that there couldn't possibly be anyone who would believe I was seriously upset, lol..........I was wrong........
pssssst, gwm4asian and anyone else who cares......I am not upset in the slightest. I am not outraged either.......I am simply amused!

[PeterUK]

And just to add my 2 cents to keep things going....
A poster a while back (too far for me to refernce now) stated that the French were stationed in Bangkok in the 17th century.
Sorry. Bangkok didn't exist in the 17th century aside from a farming village.
Perhaps he meant to say Ayutthaya or Lopburi?

Okay, my turn to be a pedantic, affronted old fool. I wrote that the French were garrisoned in Bangkok in the late 17th century. It was a small port at that time, not the capital, and the garrison was about ten miles inland from the mouth of the Chao Phya river (but still referred to as 'the Bangkok garrison' in works such as Le Blanc's History of Siam in 1688, translated by Michael Smithies). What might actually interest a few people (some readers' eyelids flicker open) is that the behaviour of the French soldiers became so bad - whoring with local women, drunkenness, fighting - that it contributed heavily to the extremely negative connotations of the word 'farang' which prevailed for a long time afterwards. I think it is probably true that the word still has a less than favourable meaning for a lot of Thais today.

It's an "accusation" when someone points out a spelling error (you did spell farang incorrectly in Thai, did you not)? Get over yourself.

Okay, my turn to be a pedantic, affronted old fool.And you do it so masterfully

[Beachlover]

It sounds like you're into the idea of buying sex, but it is really not necessary if you don't want to. You are young enough to have an endless line of boys wanting you to fuck them for free.

You're serious? Do you believe honestly that a 41 year old no matter how well preserved and in shape (and I am) would be attractive to the vast majority of young Thai guys? I can't believe that it's such a treat to be with a foreigner twice your age that there is NO money expected or, maybe, it's just a hope that they have that a patron type of relationship will be formed that they would indulge me.....is that it? I still think that by any other name I'm still paying for it that way. But, maybe you're suggesting that I allow them to believe that I will take care of them and then don't do it! Is that it? I won't do that...at least intentionally anyway if you're suggesting it....

In some rare cases a 41 year old can be attractive to a younger guy. When I was a teenager I was only attracted to other boys the same age or younger (but not too much younger). But I had an experience with an older black guy. He was 35 or something... but I swear he looked like he was in his early 20s... and he had a most beautiful body... slim, fit, defined, beautiful muscles, smooth, athletic and cute. I also had a similar experience with an Asian in the same way.

But I've yet to see a caucasion pull off being hot (at least to me) at the age 41. I'm not saying it's not possible... it's just my experience.

Now as far as Thai boys coming onto older guys is concerned... I think there are probably some who are genuinely attracted to older farang of varying ages. I knew a young asian guy here who was genuinely more attracted (no money involved here) to slightly older white guys in their 30s.

In other cases, it might be that they are able to convince themselves they are attracted and genuinely become turned on by this... it's like sometimes when you need to play a certain role and you play it well, sometimes you partly convince yourself that you ARE that thing that you're trying to act like.

Like that saying goes... fake it till you make it. Or like how some criminals end up convincing themselves (from trying to convince everyone else) that they're innocent and believe it. I'm sure some Thai boys end up convincing themselves they are attracted (this is not a bad thing) but without the lure of money, they initially wouldn't have pursued an older farang. I'm not saying this is a bad thing... in fact it's probably good. Especially if it means they enjoy it more.

[Smiles]

Well, this ought to derail your thread topjonny..
I am in receipt of several, (ok, two) pms indicating the strong possibility
that hedda has returned in the form of gone fishing.
I have been an outspoken critic of hedda for too long and have to agree
there is a similarity with gone fishing. Irritating, haughty, self righteous,
vicious and a total bitch.

Well, lets see if this ends your thread topjonny.
hint to gonefishing: your non stop attacks on Brad the Impala have really gotten old and are extremely childish name calling. I should know as I have not been immune to name calling and of course receiving some well deserved nastiness right back. So is gonefishing the
new revised hedda back from his most boring baht-stop. I vote maybe... :cat:
Two reasons I think Hedda is not GF (there are others, but I'll make this short):

(1) writing styles are completely different. Hedda never used the "I'll-use-every-quote-under-the-sun ... & more than once" to prove a point (or, to put it more pithily (sp?), as was said by Dennis Hopper's psycho in 'Blue Velvet' " ... I'll quote any fucking thing that moves ... "). With all my whinings over the years about Hedda, he's heads and shoulders a better writer than Gone Fishing.

(2) I've never (in many many years) seen Hedda use a swear word. The poor dear is far too prissy for that ... and Gone Fishing is definitely not immune to throwing a few fucks and cunts and cocksuckers into his soup. Hedda would be appalled.

Cheers ...

PS ... nice try Kenc, but you'll have find something more controversial than 17th century Bangkok (which didn't exist).

PPS ... Topjohn, just FYI, there exists on Sawatdee a Forum called THE BIG ONES ( http://www.sawatdee-gay-thailand.com/fo ... es-f5.html (http://www.sawatdee-gay-thailand.com/forum/the-big-ones-f5.html) ). It's comprised of the longest threads on Sawatdee over the years, and I'm sure this one may top the field sooner or later. If you want a paddle around in a swamp of angst and teeth-gnashing, go take a look at it. (Also some really good info there as well).

[topjohn5]

PPS ... Topjohn, just FYI, there exists on Sawatdee a Forum called THE BIG ONES ( http://www.sawatdee-gay-thailand.com/fo ... es-f5.html (http://www.sawatdee-gay-thailand.com/forum/the-big-ones-f5.html) ). It's comprised of the longest threads on Sawatdee over the years, and I'm sure this one may top the field sooner or later. If you want a paddle around in a swamp of angst and teeth-gnashing, go take a look at it. (Also some really good info there as well).

Thanks Smiles! I'll go check it out!

It sounds like you're into the idea of buying sex, but it is really not necessary if you don't want to. You are young enough to have an endless line of boys wanting you to fuck them for free.

Tell me where this line starts Iv'e been here five months and never experienced it

You are young enough to have an endless line of boys wanting you to fuck them for free.Tell me where this line starts Iv'e been here five months and never experienced itGosh - there I was thinking Chao Na's a bottom

[topjohn5]

PPS ... Topjohn, just FYI, there exists on Sawatdee a Forum called THE BIG ONES ( http://www.sawatdee-gay-thailand.com/fo ... es-f5.html (http://www.sawatdee-gay-thailand.com/forum/the-big-ones-f5.html) ). It's comprised of the longest threads on Sawatdee over the years, and I'm sure this one may top the field sooner or later. If you want a paddle around in a swamp of angst and teeth-gnashing, go take a look at it. (Also some really good info there as well).

Thanks Smiles! I'll go check it out!

Hey smiles...do you have a different link....this one goes nowhere......
Thanks!

THe Big Ones was only on EzBoard if I remember correctly

You may be right - I've had Gone Fishing on {Ignore} for a long time now

Just about since I explained why you were actually "The Corporal", not "The Colonel", I believe.


hint to gonefishing: your non stop attacks on Brad the Liar have really gotten old and are extremely childish name calling.

Dating from the time he totally misquoted and mischaracterised what I said in one particular post, crediting me with something I did not say and views I do not hold, which he still repeatedly insists on doing (as he did here), which I am sure you would find equally offensive - particularly as some posters are gullible enough to believe him. I would be only too happy to cease and desist immediately he does (and you can quote me!).


pompous one-upsmanship games between two self-important egomaniacs

Only two - I have counted at least half a dozen.


... I'll make this short ....

There's a first time for everything .... sadly this is not it.


Gone Fishing is definitely not immune to throwing a few fucks and cunts and cocksuckers into his soup

Right on the writing styles (is this "me" enough for you?), but not on the swearing:

Cocksucker: 0

Cunt: 2 (quotes: George 1, UK Lover 1)

Fuck: 9 (quotes: Mind the Gap 3, Smiles 2, George, Lonely Wombat, UK Lover and an anonymous German 1 each)


Two reasons I think Hedda is not GF (there are others...)

Many others - this is actually one of the strangest suggestions I have heard here and does show just how unobservant some (at least three) can be. As I have been a member of the board and posted since 2004, when Hedda was in full swing, I can hardly have "returned". As far as I know Hedda prides himself on telling the truth (or at least his version of it) and as far as I can recall he does not live near Pattaya, have a Civil Partnership with a Thai, have any knowledge of motorbikes, speak various obscure languages, etc - and that is only from my posts in the last week! If everyone who was "Irritating, haughty, self righteous, vicious and a total bitch" was Hedda in disguise you could count the actual members of this board on the fingers of one hand.

[Brad the Impala]

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hint to gonefishing: your non stop attacks on Brad the Liar have really gotten old and are extremely childish name calling.

Dating from the time he totally misquoted and mischaracterised what I said in one particular post, crediting me with something I did not say and views I do not hold, which he still repeatedly insists on doing (as he did here), which I am sure you would find equally offensive - particularly as some posters are gullible enough to believe him. I would be only too happy to cease and desist immediately he does (and you can quote me!).



Every other poster who posted comments on that thread, understood your original comments to be as offensive as I did! No misquoting or mischaracterising involved, or necessary!





www.sawatdee-gay-thailand.com/forum/protesters-attack-gays-and-police-budapest-t15301.html (http://www.sawatdee-gay-thailand.com/forum/protesters-attack-gays-and-police-budapest-t15301.html)

[Beachlover]

Stop changing the freaking subject line of the post!


:D

.....Okay, my turn to be a pedantic, affronted old fool. I wrote that the French were garrisoned in Bangkok in the late 17th century. It was a small port at that time, not the capital, and the garrison was about ten miles inland from the mouth of the Chao Phya river (but still referred to as 'the Bangkok garrison' in works such as Le Blanc's History of Siam in 1688, translated by Michael Smithies).....

Since I don't have access to the source you quote, or any other source to contradict what you say, I guess I'll just have to leave the field to you on that one.

Phooey

Nothing ruins a good argument like someone who knows what they're talking about. :downtown:

Nothing ruins a good argument like someone who knows what they're talking about. :downtown:

And there ain't too many of those about.

Which is why topics spew out for 6 pages with no relation to the original post.

Ain't it FUN all you Pedantic Obstreperous Old Fools (POOF's)? :cheers:

[catawampuscat]

Well looks like I am just a lazy old coot and forgot to follow the wisdom of homintern
and put the "hedda-like" gone fishing on ignore.
Hint to gone fishing: If you are going to answer charges posed by posters, how about
responding to the endless nastiness toward Brad with constant slurs (the Liar etc.)
and continuous spinning of the truth.
I will admit I cannot understand most of gonefishing postings as they meander and
twist around and only see a poser who defends himself like a Fox News right winger
without regard to the truth and only absorbed in continuing his attacks against self perceived
enemies ,using a partial quoting system, and leaving out the meat of the matter. :cat:

gone fishing has made it to my ignore list and I will not respond unless someone insisted
on quoting him in the future. I would suggest to gf to do the same with this poster. IGNORE

[catawampuscat]

Well looks like I am just a lazy old coot and forgot to follow the wisdom of homintern
and put the "hedda-like" gone fishing on ignore.
Hint to gone fishing: If you are going to answer charges posed by posters, how about
responding to the endless nastiness toward Brad with constant slurs (the Liar etc.)
and continuous spinning of the truth.

I will admit I cannot understand most of gonefishing postings as they meander and
twist around and only see a poser who defends himself like a Fox News right winger
without regard to the truth and only absorbed in continuing his attacks against self perceived
enemies ,using a partial quoting system, and leaving out the meat of the matter. :cat:

gone fishing has made it to my ignore list and I will not respond unless someone insisted
on quoting him in the future. I would suggest to gf to do the same with this poster. IGNORE

Above is another example of partial quoting and spinning the truth. One could use this
to show the inability to comprehend of a poster or reflect on their intelligence but of course,
it is the quoting style of one poster to avoid the truth and spin spin spin. I shouldn't be helping
gf but he does need help. Enough and please boys do get back on topic. :cat:

I shouldn't be helping gf but he does need help

I certainly do need help - to "comprehend" your post! I cannot even tell if your first incomprehensible post put me on ignore or not, or if it was just an "example" to illustrate the second equally incomprehensible post.

Were you referring to Brad the Liar "using a partial quoting system, and leaving out the meat of the matter" and his "continuous spinning of the truth." or myself? If myself, maybe you could give a selection of examples from my "system" - or maybe not.

I have already said that " I would be only too happy to cease and desist immediately he (B the L) does", to which Brad the Liar responded by adding yet another lie:

" Every other poster who posted comments on that thread, understood your original comments to be as offensive as I did!

Of only seven posters, including Brad the Liar and myself, in the entire extremely boring post, two others actually said that they (mis)understood my comments as you did, by no means "every other poster" - but, in comparison with most of his other statements, this is really a minor inaccuracy rather than a lie.


please boys do get back on topic.

What topic??

Of only seven posters, including Brad the Liar and myself, in the entire extremely boring post, two others actually said that they (mis)understood my comments as you did, by no means "every other poster" - but, in comparison with most of his other statements, this is really a minor inaccuracy rather than a lie.I've always found you to be a very unpleasant poster but I've never bothered to say so. I'm not sure you can infer anything from people who don't respond.

I'm not sure you can infer anything from people who don't respond.

I didn't infer anything. I just counted.

[Smiles]

" ... Hey smiles...do you have a different link....this one goes nowhere......Thanks!
Hmmm. Works perfectly for me, one click and I'm there.
If you still can't get there, just open up the Forum Listing Page ( http://www.sawatdee-gay-thailand.com/forum/index.html ) and scroll down and Big Ones show up as a separate forum close to the bottom in the Archives

Cheers ...

[Wesley]

... of completely destroying my reputation with this particular poster for one-liners, I suggest the following in preparation -

Go to the BBB website ( http://thaiboy.net/bbb/index.php?p=bbb ) and click on the links to the two bars. That will lead you to individual pics of each of their boys and in some cases to multiple pics in what's called a "Gallery". That will give you a reasonable (I won't say good) idea of the range of boys at those two bars which are (I'm getting prepred to be shot down in flames here) two of the leading go-go bars in Bangkok. Having said that, you can then assume that the twinkiest ones are of the type you'll see at Classic Boys, which seems to have the largest selection in the Silom area of that type. The boys in Solid Bar are also of that type, although the range is smaller. If you haven't yet discovered it, the Dreaded Ned site has a guide and maps to both Bangkok and Pattaya - here's the Silom area link, with bars etc. - http://www.dreadedned.com/directory/map/1/1/ - the bars I mention (except Solid) are all in the area denoted 13, 14 on the top left. Solid Bar is 28

Thanks Homi, after looking at the guys from the these two bars I am humbled and amazed. I picked guys ranging from 18-29 but what was more amazing was that I picked most guys in the 23-26 range which is usaully at the upper end of my tastes! I wouldn't have even kicked out of bed, lol, a guy or two in their low 30's. This surprises me a little and I need to see them in person to see if it really holds true. Gosh, having sex with someone approaching my own age makes me almost feel almost, well almost normal.......but, then I realize that I'm actually paying for it so that makes me feel better!

I just had sex with a guy here in Manila that is 31, I found it hard to belive myself, But he was a lot of fun. I, see what else I can find tonight. When you come be sure to bring an umberella. I would not want you to foget anything. seems they feel like if you don't have one here you are too poor to bother with. And keep in mind most of these guys are Cartholic. What aren't say they are.

Wes

Wes

[Sen Yai]

Hmmm. Works perfectly for me, one click and I'm there.
If you still can't get there, just open up the Forum Listing Page ( http://www.sawatdee-gay-thailand.com/forum/index.html ) and scroll down and Big Ones show up as a separate forum close to the bottom in the Archives Cheers ...

Where are these "Archive" and "Big Ones" fora of which you speak?

This is all I see on the index page (and your original link returns a message of "forum does not exist" for me too)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/SenYai/Screenshot-1.jpg

[Sen Yai]

... of completely destroying my reputation with this particular poster for one-liners, I suggest the following in preparation -

Go to the BBB website ( http://thaiboy.net/bbb/index.php?p=bbb ) and click on the links to the two bars. That will lead you to individual pics of each of their boys and in some cases to multiple pics in what's called a "Gallery". That will give you a reasonable (I won't say good) idea of the range of boys at those two bars which are (I'm getting prepred to be shot down in flames here) two of the leading go-go bars in Bangkok. Having said that, you can then assume that the twinkiest ones are of the type you'll see at Classic Boys, which seems to have the largest selection in the Silom area of that type. The boys in Solid Bar are also of that type, although the range is smaller. If you haven't yet discovered it, the Dreaded Ned site has a guide and maps to both Bangkok and Pattaya - here's the Silom area link, with bars etc. - http://www.dreadedned.com/directory/map/1/1/ - the bars I mention (except Solid) are all in the area denoted 13, 14 on the top left. Solid Bar is 28

Thanks Homi, after looking at the guys from the these two bars I am humbled and amazed. I picked guys ranging from 18-29 but what was more amazing was that I picked most guys in the 23-26 range which is usaully at the upper end of my tastes! I wouldn't have even kicked out of bed, lol, a guy or two in their low 30's. This surprises me a little and I need to see them in person to see if it really holds true. Gosh, having sex with someone approaching my own age makes me almost feel almost, well almost normal.......but, then I realize that I'm actually paying for it so that makes me feel better!

To be further humbled and amazed, check out the galleries at Fresh Beach Boyz www.freshbeachboyz.com/staff.html (http://www.freshbeachboyz.com/staff.html). I know that one of the 'boyz' featured (not manager or mamasan) is 42 years old. Can you guess which one?

[bao-bao]

Hmmm. Works perfectly for me, one click and I'm there.
If you still can't get there, just open up the Forum Listing Page ( http://www.sawatdee-gay-thailand.com/forum/index.html ) and scroll down and Big Ones show up as a separate forum close to the bottom in the Archives Cheers ...

Where are these "Archive" and "Big Ones" fora of which you speak?

I believe he meant the Big Ones thread section on the old EZboard. Try the Sawatdee Forum Ezboard link on the lower of the two lines at the top of the page here. For my screen settings it shows just below the "Ignore List" link.

Looking at those pics I would say that more than one would qualify....I see they're leaving plenty of room for expansion

[topjohn5]

[quote=Smiles]Hmmm. Works perfectly for me, one click and I'm there.
If you still can't get there, just open up the Forum Listing Page ( http://www.sawatdee-gay-thailand.com/forum/index.html ) and scroll down and Big Ones show up as a separate forum close to the bottom in the Archives Cheers ...

Where are these "Archive" and "Big Ones" fora of which you speak?

I believe he meant the Big Ones thread section on the old EZboard. Try the Sawatdee Forum Ezboard link on the lower of the two lines at the top of the page here. For my screen settings it shows just below the "Ignore List" link.[/quote:2vcn1pxk]

Finally, found the Big posts.....thanks all!

Why dod the Moderators keep changing threads between Forums? This one is about Thailand isn't it? Just curious.

[Sen Yai]

[quote=Smiles]Hmmm. Works perfectly for me, one click and I'm there.
If you still can't get there, just open up the Forum Listing Page ( http://www.sawatdee-gay-thailand.com/forum/index.html ) and scroll down and Big Ones show up as a separate forum close to the bottom in the Archives Cheers ...

Where are these "Archive" and "Big Ones" fora of which you speak?

I believe he meant the Big Ones thread section on the old EZboard. Try the Sawatdee Forum Ezboard link on the lower of the two lines at the top of the page here. For my screen settings it shows just below the "Ignore List" link.[/quote:3di0dsow]

Ahh, thanks bao bao, so Smiles meant that archive and those Big Ones. But the link to that would be sawatdeeforum.yuku.com/forums/9/t/THE-BIG-ONES.html (http://sawatdeeforum.yuku.com/forums/9/t/THE-BIG-ONES.html) which is quite different to the one he gave, which is for this board.

Btw, question to 'Spike: I notice on that old forum my user name (along with a few others) has a (d) associated with it indicating that the user has been deleted. Why me?