Police Seminar on how to deal with Prostitution

On Saturday Morning at the Jomtien Palm Beach Hotel, Khun Prachar, the Governor of Chonburi Province opened a one day seminar for Police Officers from Region 2 which covers 8 Provinces around the East of Thailand. The Seminar featured a guest speak from the Ministry of Social Development and Human Security and the International Crimes Department of the Royal Thai Police. The main issue discussed how the Police can prevent men and women from becoming a Prostitute. They may decide to work in this particular industry themselves or pressure from their families is put on them to work as Prostitutes to provide a good income for the family who may survive on a very low income. The officers were told to help men and women involved in Prostitution and send them to rehabilitation centers rather than arresting them and later releasing them to carry on selling themselves for money and to utilize the Law to force them to enter rehabilitation programs.

http://www.pattayaone.net/news_06_09_51_2.html

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On Saturday Morning at the Jomtien Palm Beach Hotel, Khun Prachar, the Governor of Chonburi Province opened a one day seminar for Police Officers from Region 2 which covers 8 Provinces around the East of Thailand. The Seminar featured a guest speak from the Ministry of Social Development and Human Security and the International Crimes Department of the Royal Thai Police. The main issue discussed how the Police can prevent men and women from becoming a Prostitute. They may decide to work in this particular industry themselves or pressure from their families is put on them to work as Prostitutes to provide a good income for the family who may survive on a very low income. The officers were told to help men and women involved in Prostitution and send them to rehabilitation centers rather than arresting them and later releasing them to carry on selling themselves for money and to utilize the Law to force them to enter rehabilitation programs.

http://www.pattayaone.net/news_06_09_51_2.html

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This has been building for some time and is still only the beginning. Get used to it. The real fun hasn't even started yet!
When the "prostitute rehabilitation" is demonstrated to work just as well as the "drug rehabilitation" the war on sex will expand yet again. The "pedo wars" were only a primer. Once you begin to travel down this road you learn there is no end to it.
There's big money involved in social engineering. Why not jump on the bandwagon and become an NGO to save the world from all kinds of imagined problems. Convince whole nations there are problems at every turn.

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[Lunchtime O'Booze]

this is about right..."there is no end to it...."

more wacky talk in a wacky country.

This reminds of the the report I read about 12 years ago when a Thai minister said she intended to tackle the problem of teens having sex at too young an age. She stated that teen boys should be "taught how to masturbate" to curb their urges. She was trampled in the stampede of those applying to be teachers.

One gets used to authorities in Thailand who often travel in a parallel universe.:sunny:

[Dodger]

They should host a seminar focusing on the rehabilitation of the Boys in Brown (BIB) if they really want to make a positive impact on society.

Maybe a halfway house or twelve step program like AA would work.

Let's not focus on ways to improve the economy so these families quit sending their children off to work in the sex industry. Let's just focus on ways to screw up the little money we do have by trying to convince the prostitutes that life back on the rice farm is a lot better than a life of partying with their friends at the disco. Huh !!!

Anyway, I wish them the best. Maybe the seminar will create a new breed of BIB dedicating to actually serving the needs of the people - versus stuffing pockets with bribe money...Huh Again !!!

Well said Dodger. Police corruption does more harm than prostitution.

[Brad the Impala]

Indeed, we must all fight to keep prostitution available, and to keep prostitutes employed, especially in Pattaya. Anything that keeps the baht down and prostitutes therefore cheap, in $┬г terms, is to be encouraged. How dare these NGOs and liberal do gooding pinkos start trying to look after the welfare of prostitutes. Leave that us, the punters. We've had years of experience at this, and frankly if they can't perform properly they shouldn't be paid anyway.

It is most important that Thai citizens, especially those from the North East are kept poor and ill educated, otherwise they might start thinking that they have the right to a better life than bedding us punters. After all we have gone to a lot of trouble to travel all this way to provide them with employment.

Yours

Colonel Snorting(Rtd)

Tunbridge Wells

Prostitution would not exist (at least not in its present, flagrant form) without police corruption.

Clean up corruption in the police, and say goodbye to Boystown, Sunee Plaza, and Soi Prostitute.

Is that still what you want to advocate?

Clean up corruption in the police, and say goodbye to Boystown...

Yeh and say goodbye to the Gay McMafia with their BIB Protection :bom:

Rehab courses are already available for bar boys who get caught on the pee test raids - but not compulsory.

Prostitution would not exist (at least not in its present, flagrant form) without police corruption.

Clean up corruption in the police, and say goodbye to Boystown, Sunee Plaza, and Soi Prostitute.

Is that still what you want to advocate?

Prosstitution exists pretty flagrantly in almost all societies, whether the police are corrupt or not. Take a look at the gaydar commercial section for London, for example. Police corruption does, however, allow prostitutes to be exploited. Whether it is through the employment of under age persons or the coercion of prostitutes to hand over a share of their earnings, forcing them to engage in sex or forms of sex unwillingly, or other forms of abuse. Open, legal prostition, where the main focus of policing is on the protection of the prostitutes (and their customers) is the best solution to these problems.

That and reducing poverty levels so that prostitution is a genuine choice (a surprising number do choose it for reasons other than necessity). Though if this ever happens the price will certainly go up. I suspect people will continue to pay.

Prostitution would not exist (at least not in its present, flagrant form) without police corruption.

Clean up corruption in the police, and say goodbye to Boystown, Sunee Plaza, and Soi Prostitute.

Is that still what you want to advocate?

Prosstitution exists pretty flagrantly in almost all societies, whether the police are corrupt or not. Take a look at the gaydar commercial section for London, for example. Police corruption does, however, allow prostitutes to be exploited. Whether it is through the employment of under age persons or the coercion of prostitutes to hand over a share of their earnings, forcing them to engage in sex or forms of sex unwillingly, or other forms of abuse. Open, legal prostition, where the main focus of policing is on the protection of the prostitutes (and their customers) is the best solution to these problems.

That and reducing poverty levels so that prostitution is a genuine choice (a surprising number do choose it for reasons other than necessity). Though if this ever happens the price will certainly go up. I suspect people will continue to pay.

I thought I made it clear enough that I was talking about the prostitution as it exists now in Thailand, in the cash-and-carry comfort of go-go bars, host bars, and massage parlors. You know, all the stuff that you adore. If you want a prostitution scene like it exists in the rest of the world (on the net and on street corners), then go ahead an promote a police anti-corruption drive.

Prosstitution exists pretty flagrantly in almost all societiesSocieties where commonsense prevails (ie. almost nowhere in the USA, but in large parts of Europe, Australia & Nw Zlnd) recognise that making activities that significant number of people regard as "desirable", such as intoxicating drugs whether liquid or chemical, abortion, homosexuality, prostitution, and pornography illegal is simply providing law enforcers (the police) with opportunities for corruption. Those opportunities have been taken away by making such actiities either legal or semi-legal (eg. on-the-spot fines for prsonal use amounts of cannabis); the answer is de-criminalising the activity so as to reduce the opportunity for corruption as well as having anti-corruption teams within the police force - attacking the problem from both ends. There is certainly no basis in the experience of any country at all to support The Lad's bizarre assertion that reducing police corruption would "do away with" the sort of activities common in all of Pattaya, parts of Bangkok etc.

However we have to remember that The Lad has spent pretty much his entire adult life in a foreign country that he believes he understands (but doesn't), and away from the tide of social change that has overtaken the First World (except his home country, the good Ol' US of A) as it considers major social ills like corruption vs. minor social ills such as prostitution, and realised where (pragmatically) its best interests lie

If it is referring to me, I am happy to go on record as saying that I am FOR the legalization of prostitution.

As the law stands now, though, it is ILLEGAL in Thailand...and the only reason why Soi Prostitute, Boyztown, and Sunee Plaza are allowed to exist is CORRUPTION.

Solve corruption, and say bye-bye to your favorite places.

[Lunchtime O'Booze]

Prostitution would not exist (at least not in its present, flagrant form) without police corruption.

... Take a look at the gaydar commercial section for London, for example. .

I do frequently and it makes me very homesick !

Colonel Snorting(Rtd) of Tunbridge Wells ..is this our old favourite The Colonel ?

He sounds very much like my dear friend Judge John ******** who sits on the bench in Shropshire and constantly bemoands the prices of prostitues in the UK as opposed to Pattaya over G & Ts on Jomtien Beach. He likes the big butch ones with tatooes.."like those buggers I send down every day " he says.

He sounds very much like my dear friend Judge John ******** who sits on the bench in Shropshire ...Is he possibly the same judge who asked of the Lord Chief Justice in the days when sodomy was still a crime, of someone whose case he was trying, "How much should I give a man who allows himself to be buggered?" to which the LCJ replied "About four or five pounds, I should think - whatever I had on me at the time"???

Chao Na wrote

"I thought I made it clear enough that I was talking about the prostitution as it exists now in Thailand, in the cash-and-carry comfort of go-go bars, host bars, and massage parlors. You know, all the stuff that you adore. "

You are quite right, this is what I adore about the Thai form of prostitution. Both sides can see what they're getting/letting themselves in for, and the relative openness of the business provides a degree of protection for both sides. It also allows the host to tailor what services he's prepared to offer according to what he thinks of the client in question (though language difficulty can get in the way, as another thread shows). In my view it's up to the client to agree this direct with the host. The thai words for just about everything can be easily found - and written down, if necessary.

As to the idea that an end to Police corruption would entail an end to host bars etc, this is also not borne out by experience elsewhere. Non-enforcement of a law, when it is a matter of policy, is not corrupt. It happens all the time. In Britain, it's a way of life. It's called pragmatism. But I agree with Homi, anti-prostitution laws simply invite corruption. The solution is to make prostitution legal and find other ways to address any undesirable side effects (like aggressive and persistent soliciting).

...and the only reason why Soi Prostitute, Boyztown, and Sunee Plaza are allowed to exist is CORRUPTION.

...and the Entertainment Places Act, 1966!

... all wages/salaries should be comparable to that in the west ... a social security system should be in place for people when they are unemployed ... financial incentives to individuals who have been unemployed long term ... all countries should have one currency ... we could call it the World Dollar.

Doing it this way, we would all be on equal ground.

Sorry White Desire, you're never going to provoke Homi into bashing you with such an obvious come-on as that. You have to at least seem like you don't want to get hit.

Whitedesire wrote "Doing it this way, we would all be on equal ground"

As in George Orwells 'Animal Farm' we will all be equal, except some will be more equal than others!