What do you REALLY think about sex shows?

[bao-bao]

Only my personal opinion (as are all posts on SGT) but thereтАЩs something a little disturbing about an act as private as masturbation being turned into a contest. Never say тАЬneverтАЭ but having attended a precious few such events IтАЩm thinking that's probably enough for me.

Although there was a cash prize offered last time by one tipsy front-row guy (for the first and successive тАЬfinishersтАЭ) it seemed from the look on most faces that the best prize was being able to simply get offstage as quickly as possible.

Being in shows is (hopefully) a choice in clubs, but a line of a dozen or so guys looking so self-conscious while they stood in the spotlight, furiously flailing away made this falang a little uncomfortable. Studs prancing around the tables with a slim lady boy impaled on their manhood is a bit much, too, but that doesnтАЩt bother me nearly as much, so no rush with that тАЬSaint bao-baoтАЭ certificate, thank you very much. :angel12:

I will admit that I have no problem at all with someone dancing in an тАЬimmodestтАЭ costume or, indeed, flashing the audience -- if it appears they are doing it for fun or their own personal reward without looking miserable. It just seems there is a big difference between тАЬcome hitherтАЭ and тАЬcum in front of you.тАЭ Maybe just me, but I doubt it.

SoтАж Do you go often? Do you feel a little sleazy doing so? If youтАЩve had (or currently have) a friend or boyfriend who have participated in sex shows, is/was that a concern or problem for you? Extra points to anyone who can share the thoughts of a participant they have known.

[Lunchtime O'Booze]

I prefer to star in my own.

And for those who wish to but don't know where..try the ultra kitsch Penthouse Hotel ( gay friendly)just near Boyztown.

Some rooms have their own raised platform with a pole for dancing plus hottubs.

If you were that way inclined you can watch the kittens at Kitten Club (downstairs) perform on your room TV and order up the house special.

Why isn't there a similar gay establishment ? :cyclopsani:

[allieb]

I have only ever been to a sex show once and thought it absolutely disgusting. I have never been a voyer and don't even watch porn movies. If there's any sex going on then I want to be a part of it not watching it. The sex show I went to in BKK was of big studs fucking little efeminate broken wristed Barbie doll look-alikes. It was followed by a wanking competition with the contestants cumming on the floor. I found that too much and left

I have never been a cum lover and will never allow anybody to cum in my mouth. I even have a problem in looking at a full condom when throwing it down the bog. The smell of cum make me reach. We are all different. I know an American queen who used to drive around the local lovers lane in his neighborhood on a Sunday morning collecting used condoms and drinking the contents.

I enjoy them occasionally.

[Lunchtime O'Booze]

' The smell of cum make me reach.'...reach for what ?

[Wesley]

I watch when I am already there, I never go specifically to see them.

Wes

... a Masturbation Show? I haven't seen one for years. Which Bangkok bars still have them?

Sex shows do not excite me but I DO take a little comfort in knowing that if I really had to avail myself, other than entertain other's curiosity, then I could do it in a safe comfortable friendly venue, not some dingy NY basement or worrying about my parked rental car in an east or south LA nearly abandoned strip mall, here in the land of the free, as long as it's not very harmful, wearing the socks, at least, which I have noticed ':cyclopsani:', and the drinks aren't excessively expensive :drunken:, which they do come close to, for here that is.

[markie1]

On my first couple of visits to BKK ,i did visit most sex show bars in silom,but to be honest once you have seen one show you have seen them all there all just about the same , these days i dont bother to enter these bars unless i am with friends that want to see the shows,so now adays i very rarely go ,i would much rather see some other form of entertainment .another reason i dont go also is i hate been ripped off.
I find it much more entertaining just sitting in a outside bar watching the world go by.

another reason i dont go also is i hate been ripped off.

Tell us how you were ripped off dear, when you had to pay $10 for a drink and to see multiple human beings copulating for your visual pleasure. What would be an appropriate price, in your mind, for the privilege of witnessing another human being dehumanized on stage?

[allieb]

another reason i dont go also is i hate been ripped off.

Tell us how you were ripped off dear, when you had to pay $10 for a drink and to see multiple human beings copulating for your visual pleasure. What would be an appropriate price, in your mind, for the privilege of witnessing another human being dehumanized on stage?

And what would these performers have to do to qualify as less than human as you once described Arabs

What a great idea! Fuck shows featuring Arabs! Or, one dog and one Arab...same-same in my book.

take it easy, what has the dog done to deserve that!

[markie1]

another reason i dont go also is i hate been ripped off.

Tell us how you were ripped off dear, when you had to pay $10 for a drink,and to see multiple human beings copulating for your visual pleasure. What would be an appropriate price, in your mind, for the privilege of witnessing another human being dehumanized on stage?Yes thats right $10 to see a guys dick, i can see that free ,and yes i do feel $10 for a drink is too much Do you really think these guys get a cut from there drink prices ,come on get real ,these poor guys are working for peanuts,and secondly it really is not my scene ,if you like that kind of thing all well and good ,and if you are haoppy to pay $10 a drink thats up to you ,but has i said in my mail i would rather sit in a bar outside and watch the world go round ,i find that more pleasurable, Silom BKK is really not my scene,i am sure many of you get the upmost pleasure from these bars ,but to me its not that enjoyable.Every one to there own taste ,and that taste is not mine.

[TrongpaiExpat]

another reason i dont go also is i hate been ripped off.

Tell us how you were ripped off dear, when you had to pay $10 for a drink,and to see multiple human beings copulating for your visual pleasure. What would be an appropriate price, in your mind, for the privilege of witnessing another human being dehumanized on stage?Yes thats right $10 to see a guys dick, i can see that free ,and yes i do feel $10 for a drink is too much Do you really think these guys get a cut from there drink prices ,come on get real ,these poor guys are working for peanuts,and secondly it really is not my scene ,if you like that kind of thing all well and good ,and if you are haoppy to pay $10 a drink thats up to you ,but has i said in my mail i would rather sit in a bar outside and watch the world go round ,i find that more pleasurable, Silom BKK is really not my scene,i am sure many of you get the upmost pleasure from these bars ,but to me its not that enjoyable.Every one to there own taste ,and that taste is not mine.

Marki: Chao Na was just being his usual asshole self with that response but I have to agree with him, your not being ripped off.

Some posters get off and find excitement with sex shows. Chao Na has his own little show going on here when a poster says something he can target with an insult it's masturbation and then when he gets a response like you just gave him, ejaculation and he did not even give you a tip!

[markie1]

another reason i dont go also is i hate been ripped off.

Tell us how you were ripped off dear, when you had to pay $10 for a drink,and to see multiple human beings copulating for your visual pleasure. What would be an appropriate price, in your mind, for the privilege of witnessing another human being dehumanized on stage?Yes thats right $10 to see a guys dick, i can see that free ,and yes i do feel $10 for a drink is too much Do you really think these guys get a cut from there drink prices ,come on get real ,these poor guys are working for peanuts,and secondly it really is not my scene ,if you like that kind of thing all well and good ,and if you are haoppy to pay $10 a drink thats up to you ,but has i said in my mail i would rather sit in a bar outside and watch the world go round ,i find that more pleasurable, Silom BKK is really not my scene,i am sure many of you get the upmost pleasure from these bars ,but to me its not that enjoyable.Every one to there own taste ,and that taste is not mine.

Marki: Chao Na was just being his usual asshole self with that response but I have to agree with him, your not being ripped off.

Some posters get off and find excitement with sex shows. Chao Na has his own little show going on here when a poster says something he can target with an insult it's masturbation and then when he gets a response like you just gave him, ejaculation and he did not even give you a tip!loll that made me laugh

[allieb]

What a great idea! Fuck shows featuring Arabs! Or, one dog and one Arab...same-same in my book.

And if you joined in show I suppose it would be called a pack of dogs in your book. You have gotten more pathetic since you changed your name

[TrongpaiExpat]

What a great idea! Fuck shows featuring Arabs! Or, one dog and one Arab...same-same in my book.

And if you joined in show I suppose it would be called a pack of dogs in your book. You have gotten more pathetic since you changed your name

And, yet another poster giving Chao Na (BG, Gomez fong, Scrotum40 and Singapore something, et al) an internet orgjissum Keep this up and all the sa- perm splashing on his keyboard will cause a short out.

yes i do feel $10 for a drink is too much Do you really think these guys get a cut from there drink prices

You paid $10 for a fuck show and got a free drink. Why don't you try looking it that way. You think the performers do it for free? You think the police allow such clearly illegal things to happen for free? You think the rent and air conditioning are free? Is there anywhere else in the world you can see such a thing? I've heard of cheap, but you really do take the cake. Next time, buy a beer at the 7-11 and sit on the curb drinking it why don't you?

[thrillbill]

...Like anything, after awhile, the shows seem to be all the same, but for me it is like a seasonal thing...once in a while I have to go out of curiosity and see if anything has changed- a couple times a year does it for me at Soi Twilight. But I find that I don't get turned on as much as feeling a bit embarassed and sympathy for the guy that has to do that for a living. -- But I am sure my feelings have to do with my Western up bringing. -To each his own. I still find it amazing to see the guys copulate while swinging back in the air and forth...that DOES get my testosterone pumping if the two dudes are muscular and not the fem types. What amazes me is how porno flicks are more of a turn on that the live shows.

[Lunchtime O'Booze]

... a Masturbation Show? I haven't seen one for years. Which Bangkok bars still have them?

oh how one longs for the days of the old and sooo naughty Crazy Pub..when a 100 baht in the check bin container would get a cast of 6 or so on the go ! :geek:

[Beachlover]

I enjoy the live sex shows... sometimes. It depends.

I find if they're done with a little class or taste... or creatively, they can be entertaining (beautiful) and quite arousing. But if not done well, they can be a bit of a turnoff. The ones that go on a bit get a bit boring.

I've seen the live F - ing shows, but never the open J ck off shows... which I wouldn't mind seeing sometime.

One good show I saw was at BBB boys in Patong Phuket... the boy who strips off to Robbie Williams' "Feel" song... is hunky and very sexy. He has a bit of a bad boy/cheeky character which is entertaining. He strips off... shows off his c*ck a bit... teases some of the audience, then leaves. I wish he did a bit more though.

I consider sex-shows kind of tedious, but I would gladly part with a thousand baht if someone could guarantee that I would never, ever see another bleeping candle-wax show. :-)

I can only think of one exception -- the original "Jupiter" had some excellent shows, and they had transformed the candle show into something actually quite thrilling, "set in the jungle with drums passionately sounding." All the other ones might as well be a picture of the guy responsible for the shows wearing a sign saying "I Have No Imagination Whatsoever."

It's one of the things that makes me think about opening a gay bar myself -- to try to do things well. But then I remember the owner of Danny's Bar telling me passionately one evening: "I WANT TO BE A CUSTOMER!!" and then I lie down until the feeling goes away.

But I find that I don't get turned on as much as feeling a bit embarassed and sympathy for the guy that has to do that for a living. -- But I am sure my feelings have to do with my Western up bringing. I'm not sure how this is any different than any other public performance on a stage. There were, as I recall, sex scenes in Oh Calcutta and a nudity scene (tableau) in Hair. Why Western scruples have anything to do with it beats me. Actors get paid to do these things. Possibly you are one of those who can't distinguish between the immodesty of the Big Dick Show, and taking the same Thai home, only to find he won't undress in front of you? One's public entertainment, however tasteless, the other a private interaction between two (or three :bounce: ) individuals

[thaiguest]

That 41% of responding posters 'rarely attend' sex shows doesn't surprise me at all.
It mearly confirms a long-held suspicion of mine that a hugh percentage (41%?) of posters on this forum rarely if ever attend Thailand.

Disgusting: disgusting and disgusting. It de-grades the human status of any human being. Those who relish or encourage by watching these acts should be ashamed of their own dignity. This is the height of sexual inablity that translates into watching others in act. So we all should discourage these shows and bring some respect to whom we want to rent or hire for the night ...... do it in private or if you can not do it, don't fantasise others doing it in public.

[Bob]

Disgusting: disgusting and disgusting. It de-grades the human status of any human being. Those who relish or encourage by watching these acts should be ashamed of their own dignity. This is the height of sexual inablity that translates into watching others in act. So we all should discourage these shows and bring some respect to whom we want to rent or hire for the night ...... do it in private or if you can not do it, don't fantasise others doing it in public.

A rather interesting analysis. It's wrong and "disgusting" to watch a sex show but apparently, by simply hiring a prostitute and taking him back to the hotel, we "bring some respect to whom we want to rent or hire by the night." Sure, I buy that.....not.

Just a wee bit of western/puritan/goofy thinking going on there?

[catawampuscat]

A good sex show is fun and exciting to watch..
A bad sex show is slow death and painful..
I find that if I am turned on by one or more of the guys in the show, the show usually
works but if it is some thuggish looking guy whipping a fem boy with a rubber whip and
being abusive, it is a total turn-off..

Currently, BKK sex shows are a no go and should be missed. I base this on a visit
this week and word on the soi.. Big cock shows seem to pass the current test but no
fucking or sucking..
Best and hottest show in Pattaya is at Wild West Boys but no fucking/sucking, just erotic
and hot hot eye candy even when the show isn't on..

I run into some of the same moralizing types back in the West who loudly proclaim they
would never pay for sex nor hire a male sex worker.. Well, they don't know what they are
missing and will stay untouched until the morgue attendant readies them for the finale.
These sex show workers are not slaves and are free to work or not work. Some men are
exhibitionists and can handle this type of work and the admiration of the ooglers, some men
cannot and most of the go go boys do not work in the sex shows.. Of course, it is all
exploitation but exploitation where everyone gets what they want, sort of mutual exploitation. :cat:

Disgusting: disgusting and disgusting. It de-grades the human status of any human being. Those who relish or encourage by watching these acts should be ashamed of their own dignity. This is the height of sexual inablity that translates into watching others in act. So we all should discourage these shows and bring some respect to whom we want to rent or hire for the night ...... do it in private or if you can not do it, don't fantasise others doing it in public.

Don't waste your breath, Steve. Most members here are completely intolerant of any opinions other than their own -- especially when it comes to their pervs. Talk about live sex shows being dehumanizing or 70-on-16 year-old relationships being creepy, and you're branded a Christian, Puritan, troll, or worse. Like clubs such as NAMBLA, this forum gives them a place to "let it all hang out" and band together against the 6 billion other people on earth who think they're sick.

[Geezer]

"This is the height of sexual inablity that translates into watching others in act."

If you only knew.

Just a wee bit of western/puritan/goofy thinking going on there?Rather a grown-up opinion, Bob, for someone who claims not to be adult

[thrillbill]

That 41% of responding posters 'rarely attend' sex shows doesn't surprise me at all.
It mearly confirms a long-held suspicion of mine that a hugh percentage (41%?) of posters on this forum rarely if ever attend Thailand.
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Thaiguest, I was thinking the opposite. I work and live in Thailand so the sex shows are easily available, but for us who live in Bangkok or Pattaya, it becomes an ordinary thing (yawn). When I sit outside of Dick's Cafe and see all the farangs walking around going to the soi Twilight clubs, it is basically tourists*. (They're walking around with shorts on, a camera, and the Chinese guys are always in a pack of 5-8).

[Lunchtime O'Booze]

Disgusting: disgusting and disgusting. It de-grades the human status of any human being. Those who relish or encourage by watching these acts should be ashamed of their own dignity. This is the height of sexual inablity that translates into watching others in act. So we all should discourage these shows and bring some respect to whom we want to rent or hire for the night ...... do it in private or if you can not do it, don't fantasise others doing it in public.

Don't waste your breath, Steve. Most members here are completely intolerant of any opinions other than their own -- especially when it comes to their pervs. Talk about live sex shows being dehumanizing or 70-on-16 year-old relationships being creepy, and you're branded a Christian, Puritan, troll, or worse. Like clubs such as NAMBLA, this forum gives them a place to "let it all hang out" and band together against the 6 billion other people on earth who think they're sick.

do you really think the other 6 billion are opposed to sex shows?

personally I've found after years of experience and having been a closet prude most of my life that it's those 6 billion that are at like rabbits. I was the original innocent until it dawned upon me fairly late that the vast majority of people had the morlas of an alley cat. That's when Miss Prim & Proper me jumped in head first.

(haven't been to this club Nambla though..were is it ?? :scratch: )

[TrongpaiExpat]

haven't been to this club Nambla though..were is it ?? scratch

NAMBLA: The North American Marlin Brando Look-Alike Association.

Credits to Southpark.

[Lunchtime O'Booze]

haven't been to this club Nambla though..were is it ?? scratch

NAMBLA: The North American Marlin Brando Look-Alike Association.

Credits to Southpark.

oh ! I've just finished reading a biography of Marlon Brando written by Tennesse Wiliams nephew.

I don't think there was a man, woman or youth in Hollywood who Brando didn't screw at some time. He was the world's greatest star-fucker and at the same time-one of the biggest stars.

despite the notion Brando was a working class American he was actually upper-middle class from a well off family and went to a military academy but was expelled for organising an orgy with the other students.

some of the stories are hysterical..fucking Maralyn Monroe one day and then an on and off affair with James Dean who loved him stubbing out cigarettes on his chest.

Brando says Marlene Deitrich gave the best blow job ever and then got down on her hands and knees after and scrubbed the kitchen floor .

He screwed Edith Piaf and then she took him to the back alleys of Paris where she originally sang in the street and demonstrated how she sung under a lamp post-singing Non, je ne regrette rien and people opened windows and said "piss orf-you'll never be as good as Piaf !"

you name a star and he had them all..Montgomery Clift. Joan Crawford, Gloria Swanson, Sir John Geilgud..he said "everyone wants my big thick uncut cock so I oblige !".

When he went to Mexico for a film the director complained about all the young Mexican boys he was taking to his trailer..so he said "Ok I'll stop" and started taking young Mexican girls instead.

The greatest love of his life with whom he conducted an affair over decades..the handsome French star Jean Marais. When Marais died Brando was inconsolable and wept for 2 weeks and locked himself in his room for a month.

[joe552]

Disgusting: disgusting and disgusting. It de-grades the human status of any human being. Those who relish or encourage by watching these acts should be ashamed of their own dignity. This is the height of sexual inablity that translates into watching others in act. So we all should discourage these shows and bring some respect to whom we want to rent or hire for the night ...... do it in private or if you can not do it, don't fantasise others doing it in public.

This baffles me! It's okay to rent or hire someone for sex but not pay to watch them pretend to have sex? Weird logic.

This baffles me! It's okay to rent or hire someone for sex but not pay to watch them pretend to have sex? Weird logic.Quite. I'm waiting for someone to tell us all how degrading making a porn flick is for the actors, where your reputation (apparently) gets trashed not only world-wide but also forever

My general rule of thumb for sex shows is: If it turned me on...then I liked it! :cyclopsani:

[thaiguest]

That 41% of responding posters 'rarely attend' sex shows doesn't surprise me at all.
It mearly confirms a long-held suspicion of mine that a hugh percentage (41%?) of posters on this forum rarely if ever attend Thailand.
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Thaiguest, I was thinking the opposite. I work and live in Thailand so the sex shows are easily available, but for us who live in Bangkok or Pattaya, it becomes an ordinary thing (yawn). When I sit outside of Dick's Cafe and see all the farangs walking around going to the soi Twilight clubs, it is basically tourists*. (They're walking around with shorts on, a camera, and the Chinese guys are always in a pack of 5-8).

I get your point. Most native New Yorkers have never been to the Statue of Liberty. I stil stick to my core point about this forum- the majority of moralists don't attend sex shows in Thailand because they don't attend Thailand.
Sorry for posting in riddles.

Guys stick to the point rather than displaying ignorance and/or arrognace by not sticking to the topic and contributing an intellectual-intercahnge. Let us act as grown-ups

Guys stick to the point rather than displaying ignorance and/or arrognace by not sticking to the topic and contributing an intellectual-intercahnge. Let us act as grown-upsWhat an outrageous suggestion! The Board will never be the same again if people follow that sort of rule :bounce:

I think you'll find it true that most posters behave about the same age as the boys they are fucking.

I think you'll find it true that most posters behave about the same age as the boys they are fucking.

We're all still waiting for the explanation of how men are degraded by being forced into appearing in gay porn films.

[Marsilius]

Writing as somene who produces porno films, I can say hand on heart that there is no way to force someone to appear in one.

A paticipant may feel that dire financial straits force him to take part. But then no doubt a very great many people indeed feel that about any job they are doing.

I think you'll find it true that most posters behave about the same age as the boys they are fucking.

We're all still waiting for the explanation of how men are degraded by being forced into appearing in gay porn films.

What are you talking about, silly man? I have never once said anything about gay porn, nor "being forced" to appear in them.

[latintopxxx]

absolutely love the fuck shows, only pity is BKK seems to have quietened down lately, 6 months ago soi twilight was really pumping, am very vouyeristic and into domination...so the whole public "degradation" theme is a real turn on.
Really blows my mind that some of the guys aren't even gay, a particular one (shoty guy with a pony tail) was a real star performer...and apparently straight to boot.

the whole public "degradation" theme is a real turn on

At least you acknowledge that it is degrading, unlike some posters here who think that as long as the performers are acting on their own free will, there is no such thing as degradation.

[Wesley]

the whole public "degradation" theme is a real turn on

At least you acknowledge that it is degrading, unlike some posters here who think that as long as the performers are acting on their own free will, there is no such thing as degradation.

BG ...I wonder do you clean your toilet so that the maid does not have to degrade herself by cleaning up your shit.
Wes

the whole public "degradation" theme is a real turn on

At least you acknowledge that it is degrading, unlike some posters here who think that as long as the performers are acting on their own free will, there is no such thing as degradation.

BG ...I wonder do you clean your toilet so that the maid does not have to degrade herself by cleaning up your shit.
Wes

Don't have a maid, Wes.

But I think if you think being a maid is as degrading as shooting ping pong balls out of your twat or performing sex acts on stage like animals, I would have to disagree with you.

[bao-bao]

Hmmm... fourth page, right on schedule! :cheers:
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[Wesley]

[quote=latintopxxx]the whole public "degradation" theme is a real turn on

At least you acknowledge that it is degrading, unlike some posters here who think that as long as the performers are acting on their own free will, there is no such thing as degradation.

BG ...I wonder do you clean your toilet so that the maid does not have to degrade herself by cleaning up your shit.
Wes

Don't have a maid, Wes.

But I think if you think being a maid is as degrading as shooting ping pong balls out of your twat or performing sex acts on stage like animals, I would have to disagree with you.[/quote:2sr80bu0]

I don't doubt the veracity of your comment, only the honesty of your notes. Is almost as if you have never done anything wrong at all and find anything at your disposal of your penmanship and the indignity in which you treat other posters seems so Hypocritical when you take up for others. I am not saying you are not right, only that I question your sincerity in taking pot shots at anyone who you deem to be morally inept. It makes me presume you have never done such a thing. I would think for a minute that you must be a God having never done anything below your level of superiority.

Wes

Oh, shut up, Wes. There is no pot shot at all in what I have written here.

[Wesley]

Oh, shut up, Wes. There is no pot shot at all in what I have written here.


Yes ma'am,

[Wesley]

Oh, shut up, Wes. There is no pot shot at all in what I have written here.


Yes ma'am,

[Wesley]

Oh, shut up, Wes. There is no pot shot at all in what I have written here.


Yes ma'am,

[dab69]

poll had no response for posters like me who go to any show but find most really boring.
I can hardly wait for most to be over and the regular "dancing" to begin.
rarely I find anyone interesting, they are not wearing their numbers, and should be saving their "energy" for an off.

[Smiles]

" ... poll had no response for posters like me who go to any show but find most really boring ... "
Dab (and myself) living in hope ...


AND OFF TOPIC:

Wes, I thought you'd already agreed not to quote Chao Na. The hundreds of Board members who have him on ignore now have to read his crap by mistake. Thanks to you!

Cheers ...

[bao-bao]

poll had no response for posters like me who go to any show but find most really boring.
Actually dab it did have a choice for you - it was the last on the list: "Other (please add a comment below)". Since you commented, you did just fine.

It was interesting to see how people voted before it careened off the tracks!

[latintopxxx]

WOW....lotsa angry/bitchy boys venting....scary..

[Wesley]

" ... poll had no response for posters like me who go to any show but find most really boring ... "
Dab (and myself) living in hope ...


AND OFF TOPIC:

Wes, I thought you'd already agreed not to quote Chao Na. The hundreds of Board members who have him on ignore now have to read his crap by mistake. Thanks to you!

Cheers ...
I had not heard of the ban on him

wes

[Smiles]

What ban? The word was 'ignore', not 'banned'.

Cheers ...

[Wesley]

well lets call it what it is , he is on your shit list, So, if so many hate him why is he still posting on every thread without impunity. I am not saying I like him but, not everything has to say is not out of bounds. Some very well may be the truth some do not wish to hear or read. Its the way he says it anyway that pisses everyone off. He could refine his way of sticking it to ya, However, there are some say in your old age you are not such a nice guy either. Not that I would agree. However, if you want to moderate the board why did you not keep the mantle when you had it. Now that you have turned it over to someone else why bitch when I break one of your rules, I have not seen in the guideline of posting though salt not Quote the guy or any one else for that matter. So is it a board rule or an implied rule , or did everyone just assume you are right? I have no problem with ignoring someone but that seems to be a personal choice and an easy one to skip over if you run into one of his quotes. Of course, you could put everyone except your chosen few on ignore then that would settle your problem

Wes