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elephantspike
March 10th, 2006, 01:06
I got this link from Hedda (believe it or not!) on his blog. It is from Wed, 6/3's Bangkok Post. There is some very practical and useful information in it which is very relevant to us all here now:




The wars of the censored
Don't let the cyber inspectors get in the way of a good web site

Wanda Sloan

The chairman of Microsoft is a knight, but he does not come dressed in shining armour. Sure, Bill, just like you say, "It is not possible to block information, it is just not." And sooner or later, people in countries where the news is heavily censored will learn that quote, too.

Mr Gates, of course, is extremely occupied covering his lower back because of the major and extremely public criticism of his company and others for helping brutish governments keep information from their people as long as possible. If you don't believe that, ask Sir William what happened to the blog of a New York Times Beijing researcher that disappeared at a keystroke from Microsoft Spaces recently.

Tell it to people in China, citizens in Iran, surfers in Arab countries and even Internet addicts in a well known Southeast Asian nation, where constitution guarantees for freedom of media and speech are of little concern to its Information and Communications Technology Ministry and its dedicated police department.

In such places, web sites suddenly disappear. Here an excellent compilation of Laos history is gone, there the Gemology Institute of Malaysia goes blank, on Monday you can't get to an excellent web site featuring Thai hotels and on Thursday you have to go to the bookstore to get the book Thailand: Land of Beautiful Women because some Cyber Inspector thinks it is pornographic or somehow harmful, who knows what? And on Friday the book web site is back again.

On a recent Monday morning, an admittedly down-market yet popular daily newspaper located not 150 feet below me prints a story about a new web site of the former southern insurgent group Pulo, and on Monday afternoon a Cyber Inspector has craftily posted an "Under Construction" sign, not even respecting citizens enough to tell them he (of course; no woman would do this) has simply blocked the web site.

Throughout the world in brutal dictatorships like China and Iran, citizens who want to be informed use proxies of various sorts to get around the censorship. Just like the proxy on your local network, they divert resources and ultimately fool the people and computers at central control.

In short, when you use a proxy such as Guardster, Anonymity 4 Proxy or countless others, your Internet host - office, home, hotel, whatever - thinks you are somewhere other than in China, say, or some other country that has onerous censorship. You can access even the blocked web sites, fine.

There are numerous proxies. Some are blocked by Cyber Inspectors, but they can't block them all, if only because friends, overseas associates and the kind folks at Pantip Plaza are among those who will help you.

One such proxy, for example, requires a friend with a high-speed connection and living in an uncensored country to place the software on her machine, so that you can access the Internet through her. Clever people there, at Circumventor, which recruits volunteers in censor-less countries around the world to volunteer for this wonderful example of free media.

Freegate is terrific software, and I would write an entire column about it except for one thing - it is basically useless unless you read Chinese. This simple little program, which you can email to a Chinese person if you need to make merit this week, is monolingual for now.

UltraSurf, by a group called Ultrareach, is a single-file download of just over 100 kilobytes, small enough (by design and forethought) to attach to an email to send to friends in places where censors work hard even to prevent citizens from getting to the web sites of such programs.

As with all such software, patience is a virtue. When you start UltraSurf, the program takes some time to establish connections and set up the proxy settings.

It places a large, golden padlock icon down near the clock area in the bottom-right of the screen, which provides access to basic functions, including on/off and also the help file.

There's not much to know about UltraSurf, in fact. If it is running successfully, you can use Internet Explorer to connect with web sites, including blocked ones.

Access is generally slow when using proxies, but UltraSurf does a good job of persevering through the various proxies and false-ended routing to give you a reliable web page of whatever web page you are looking for.

UltraSurf works only with the Microsoft web browser, and a couple of close variants. It is not guaranteed to work with either the popular AM or Maxthon IE clones, and won't work at all with Opera, Firefox or Netscape, at least without extensive tweaking.

Torpark, on the other hand, only works with Firefox, and comes bundled with the latest version of that freeware browser.

That makes it another all-in-one, with no learning curve for Chinese, Iranians and other firewalled victims to get around the censors. But it means that around 92% of people in the world can't use their favourite browser.

That is no knock on Firefox, which tries to stay safer than the Microsoft browser. Unlike IE, Firefox has surfer-friendly features such as tabs - multiple web sites displayed inside a single Firefox window - and groups. You can save and open a number of web sites with a single mouse click, even a number of censored sites if you are in China, Iran or some other censoring country.

Torpark, in fact, comes with portable Firefox. That means you can install the whole software, browser and all, on a removable drive - a USB thumb drive, say, or even a CD - and carry it with you to the Internet cafe or hotel business centre in Tehran or other city where authorities censor the Net.

Thus, if you use Torpark, you wind up configuring Firefox quite a lot, but the actual anti-censorship program not at all. Simply double-click the Torpark icon, and you probably will be able to surf anywhere you wish on the web.

Torpark has an interesting history. In an earlier life, it was a US Naval Research Laboratory project. Like UltraSurf, it fools censors by sending web requests bouncing around several web sites around the world, disguising the location of the actual surfer through obscurity.

But for the reason of simplicity, Ultrareach's UltraSurf and Torpark seem the obvious choices for those who occasionally need access to the truth on the Internet. Serious, daily skirting of censors may require more work.

Hide IP Platinum is equally simple, but costs almost 1,400 baht to download from a commercial site. Still, it is a viable and excellent choice, as is Anonymity 4 Proxy, a 1,200 baht investment if you wish.

It is not entirely useful to put links to these programs here; authorities merely block them anyhow. The tireless researchers at Google, Yahoo, MSN and others can turn up any number of helpful links, particularly if you combine your search for Torpark, Ultrareach and so on with the word "download" as well.

Email: wandas@post.com

Bangkok Post Article (http://www.bangkokpost.com/080306_Database/08Mar2006_datacol008.php)

http://www.sawatdee-gay-thailand.com/forum/images/hide-ip-platinum.jpg (http://www.regnow.com/softsell/nph-softsell.cgi?item=11992-7&affiliate=63082)

March 10th, 2006, 09:17
This issue really is unbelievable. I am constantly wondering when China for example will extend its censorship arm into SAR. In China especially it all seems so futile its like bolting the stable door after the horse has fled. What now? Give em all a taste then cut off their tongues.

Davey612
March 11th, 2006, 06:14
Having read the comments between you and Jufetish, I believe that this board and gaybutton were banned because someone among us decided to be malicious and report the websites to the Thai authorities. None of the other websites seem to have been banned. I have been accessing other websites (both English and Thai language) without any problem in LOS.

puckered_penguin
March 11th, 2006, 07:01
Having read the comments between you and Jufetish, I believe that this board and gaybutton were banned because someone among us decided to be malicious and report the websites to the Thai authorities. None of the other websites seem to have been banned. I have been accessing other websites (both English and Thai language) without any problem in LOS.

Aghh - do we have a conspiracy theorist?

elephantspike
March 11th, 2006, 09:37
According to Jufetish, though, most of the major Thai language gay boards are blocked. His theory is that he is slipping under the radar because they are using Google search to find sites to block, and because of the way phpBB encodes Thai language (I think this is what he means), the Thai version of Google cannot read his content, and since there is so little English on his site, it doesn't show in English versions of Google either.

The guys on TGmassage do confirm, too, that being reported is another way to get blocked. I think the fact that the proxies I sent out the other day by email only to registered members were blocked within a few days demonstrates that we do have a double-agent amongst us (cue the James Bond theme here).

:glasses5:

elephantspike
March 12th, 2006, 01:40
UltraSurf is the flagship software product from UltraReach Internet Corp. for Internet anti-censorship. It enables users inside countries with heavy Internet censorship to visit any public web sites in the world safely and freely. It is completely free to download and use.

UltraSurf Download (http://www.ultrareach.com/company/download.htm)

The above download page will almost certainly be blocked eventually. No problem. I have downloaded it and can attach it to an email and send it to anyone who sends me a request by email. It is only 100 KB.

March 12th, 2006, 02:55
Thanks ES.

I loaded onto a flash drive. UltraSurf can be executed from the flash drive.

As long as the PC at an internet cafe has a USB port, I should be able to use when traveling in the LOS.

elephantspike
March 12th, 2006, 03:11
That's great, Joe. I'm testing it myself now. Of course, since I'm in the USA, I can't test whether or not the proxy works from Thailand. I think what it does is to search for proxies that are working and constantly updates them. Now, what I am noticing is that the address bar shows the actual url of the board, rather than that of the proxy, with the board framed therein, as the other proxy servers we have used did. Are you experiencing the same thing?

March 12th, 2006, 03:26
Now, what I am noticing is that the address bar shows the actual url of the board, rather than that of the proxy, with the board framed therein, as the other proxy servers we have used did. Are you experiencing the same thing?

Yup, same thing. My first test in Thailand will be next month. I am hoping to stay tuned in irregardless of the blocks.

March 12th, 2006, 03:31
I notice the options screen allows settings so that cookies and history are automatically deleted. This could be a great side benefit when using internet cafes.

elephantspike
March 12th, 2006, 03:33
I am hoping to stay tuned in irregardless of the blocks.

Godspeed, comrade!
:headbang:

March 13th, 2006, 09:30
Sure, Bill, just like you say, "It is not possible to block information, it is just not." And sooner or later, people in countries where the news is heavily censored will learn that quote, too.

But as Americans we shouldn't turn our noses up too much on this. Afterall, it is a U.S. Corporation that plays tails here and SELLS the systems software that allows other governments to do this (I get an IIS message, too, sometimes when trying to access the site).

As I've said before, I agree, as others seem to be finally agreeing as well, it must have been someone reporting us to the ministry. Another thread mentions a additional, very dangerous possibility.

March 16th, 2006, 09:08
FYI, just now at 1000am on the 16th, I got the http://www.mict.go.th/ci/block.html "censored" page via TT&T ADSL instead of the Sawatdee Gay Tahiland Forum...

March 17th, 2006, 12:59
Wow, I was surprised to see the above post by moi!

Here's what happened:

I logged on yesterday at 1000am, and opened each thread with unread messages in a separate browser tab. Several of those tabs opened with the "censored" screen, but this particular thread was readable. I decided to add the above post, but when I clicked on "post reply" the page hung, so I reset and pressed "post reply" a second time (hoping it wouldn't post twice). When I finally got a response, it was also the "censored" screen. After that, I could not access any page via any method without getting the "censored" screen. It was like the censorship was slowly/gradually taking over at the very time I was trying to read messages, but that it took some time to completely impose itself. Some of the tabs that opened with "censored" were opened before the tab with this thread that initially was not "censored". Fascinating (to me, anyway)!

March 17th, 2006, 13:02
Fascinating (to me, anyway)!

That makes one of you.

elephantspike
March 17th, 2006, 13:11
I reset and pressed "post reply" a second time (hoping it wouldn't post twice)

You ended up posting it a total of four times. I deleted all but one. Please read my emails, and please do download UltraSurf. That will make all your problems go away. You will not be able to access this forum from Thailand much longer if you don't have this software.

elephantspike
March 18th, 2006, 11:45
Please see this thread for important new info:

534 New Proxies (http://www.sawatdee-gay-thailand.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7327)

Is the ezboard still accessible without proxy from Thailand?

March 18th, 2006, 13:17
Please see this thread for important new info:

534 New Proxies (http://www.sawatdee-gay-thailand.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7327)

Is the ezboard still accessible without proxy from Thailand?

Yes, I can still reach EZBoard.com without bypassing the Ministry's ban by using a proxy server.

elephantspike
March 18th, 2006, 13:42
Thanks, ArNolD.

The ezboard is open for posting.

March 19th, 2006, 15:06
Please read my emails, and please do download UltraSurf. That will make all your problems go away.

If only ANYTHING could make all my problems go away. <sigh....>

Accessing Sawatdee Gay Thailand via TT&T ADSL MaxNet is again blocked.

I broke through the UltraSurf learning curve and accessed SGT this afternoon. It is slower than molasses in a Vermont January.

e.g. After clicking on this thread title, it took 2min27sec to display the page & after clicking on post reply it was a relatively zippy 58 seconds to get the "post a reply" screen. Most of the pages took well over a minute to load on a 512k broadband connection.

If this becomes the norm, this board and its advertisers can kiss my patronage good-bye. The Thai morality police will win. It simply is not worth the time and aggravation to spend an hour (or more) to read a couple days' worth of postings.

After logging on this afternoon, I find that all messages are marked as "read" which makes reading new additions a bit more of a challenge. Apparently each time I tried to access the forum and was blocked, SGT was receiving my request and noting my access time and marking all messages as read? <shrug>

With UltraSurf loaded, I decided to kill time while the SGT message windows loaded in IE, so I fired up my usual browser, Opera (UltraSurf insists on using IE), to check e-mail and all my e-mail account settings somehow got mucked up when Opera tried to access my POP3 mailboxes. <another sigh....>

elephantspike
March 19th, 2006, 23:56
Has anyone in Thailand tried to use the portable FireFox browser that is downloadable from the link at the top right of the ezboard?

Gaypattayan
March 21st, 2006, 14:49
I can still access Sawatdee by using the link on the home page of pattayagay.com, which is based in the US, although I got that frightening "not found" message when I tried from home earlier today. Sure incredible that Thailand can block sites like this with no opportunity for review or independent hearing. It certainly belies the guarantees of free expression in Thailand's constitution. I won't try any more proxies as long as this link works.

G.P.

elephantspike
March 21st, 2006, 20:11
I can still access Sawatdee through pattayagay

Amazingly simple. Has anyone tried clicking through links from my other link parters?

March 22nd, 2006, 10:33
Has anyone tried clicking through links from my other

Thanks ES. One of your other links is very helpful!

Necessity is the mother ... !!!

I am seeing in this whole episode is just sharpening the skills of the community who also often travel to other communist, and religio-dictatorial, censoring countries around the world. I would never have thought to use a proxy in my postings, but I am seeing more and more that in the future I will need to protect myself as much as posssible from prying, free speech suppressing, totalitarian regimes.

elephantspike
March 22nd, 2006, 10:38
I am seeing more and more that in the future I will need to protect myself as much as posssible from prying, free speech suppressing, totalitarian regimes.

Yup, and not only from places like that, but from places like Thailand, also.

:blackeye:


Thanks ES. One of your other links is very helpful!

I have unstuck this topic and stuck the new topic explaining the helpful link to which ArNoID refers to:

Censorship Circumventor Thread (http://www.sawatdee-gay-thailand.com/forum/about7359.html)

March 22nd, 2006, 12:11
"No review or independent hearing?"

It would take all of two seconds for this site to be confirmed by the authorities as being illegal. Open home page. See pronography for sale. Reviewed, independently heard, and banned.

elephantspike
March 22nd, 2006, 12:39
"No review or independent hearing?"

It would take all of two seconds for this site to be confirmed by the authorities as being illegal. Open home page. See pronography for sale. Reviewed, independently heard, and banned.

Thank goodness the World Wide Web is not subject to Kangaroo Court Rulings like that.

March 22nd, 2006, 13:38
...but it is! In Thailand, anyway.

elephantspike
March 22nd, 2006, 13:48
No. The WWW is independent of the rule of any country. It has its own laws. It is available worldwide, which includes Thailand, and even China and Iran.

The law of this virtual state is based not on politics, like that of all actual states, but upon science and logic.

March 22nd, 2006, 13:53
Yes...but independent countries have the right to restrict access to sites that contravene its laws. Pornography is undeniably illegal in Thailand, and your site undeniably not only displays it, but sells it. It's no different from raiding a shop with porno books on its shelves.

elephantspike
March 22nd, 2006, 13:57
OK,

But my point is that the WWW is out of their jurisdiction.

March 22nd, 2006, 14:03
OK, but MY point is that they can control what part of the WWW is accessible in Thailand and what part is not. Both legally and ethically, in accordance with their laws.

elephantspike
March 22nd, 2006, 14:24
They are welcome to try to do that. They are, however, like the Chinese government, doomed to failure. That is the simple logic and science of the issue.

Ethically, well, if their intention is to protect, say, children or those that wish to not see erotic images, I am voluntarily protecting them from that already.

I am voluntarily running Safe Surf, which you can see when you open the board before you log-in.

That means that people who do not wish to view erotic images can simply set that preference in their browser, and when they try to load this site, they will be given a message that this site is not allowed (by the preference that they set).

March 22nd, 2006, 15:48
Maybe subscribing to SafeSurf was your mistake? If the Thai government were smart, the first thing they would do would be to block all websites (like yours) considerate enough to label themselves "for adults only" in this way.

March 23rd, 2006, 00:00
I've argued it before, and I just will never agree that having clickable links, even referal links, TO other erotic websites can at all fairly be considered selling or distributing pornography from a website.

As to porno on this web site I have never seen it. I am here 100% for "free speech" reasons. I suppose it must be in that "EC" area that I just joined. I'll look tomorrow.

As it is being a daily affair with proxy sites being posted here and banned tomorrow it is obvious that this site (and gaybutton's) is being singled out by someone and being monitored. Taken with the facts of the Governmant's oft cited intention of "ending the spread of misinformation", that is any information critical of the regime, I take this as mostly as an affront to free speech.

I realise that the effort that would be required to manually ban all "porno" behind the censors precludes perfect treatment of all but there are so many obvious inconsistencies (which I won't list here as I could thern be doing someone else's work) in such implementation here. With the obvious "singling out" all this recent episode is quite unfair to someone who is devoting a lot of well intentioned work toward promoting travel to LOS. It is also very unfair for the government ministry to put themselves out of touch without providing a fair "resolution procedure".

My only suggestion would be this ... As any "porno" visuals that might be on this site already seem to be collected into certain areas it then should not be much effort to move 'em around to another server to be "served up" from. Say add a server called "x.SGT.com" or even "anotherdomain.com". A new server and domain reconfigurations may involve a little extra cost and some minor reprogramming for writing/retrieving EC content. Then contact the Ministry (I don't see how this is possible as they seem to have no invitations for contact about) and respectfully ask them to un-ban www.SGT.com (http://www.SGT.com) and SGT.com and replace with a ban of the new domain. I wouldn't mind missing those pictures at all, it's not why I am here. This should work, but how would we know? as they seem to have purposely kept themselves at distance and are not offering any means of resolving issues (or even stating specific reasons any one site is "banned" for).

March 23rd, 2006, 08:19
Right...this site's been singled out -- along with over 100,000 others that have been banned.

elephantspike
March 23rd, 2006, 09:04
.....including such purveyors of filth as Yale University Press.

March 23rd, 2006, 10:03
Yale University Press is NOT blocked:

Yale University Press (http://yalepress.yale.edu/YupBooks/home.asp)

You may be interested to know that, somehow, my friend's music-related, squeaky clean website ended up blocked for some reason (maybe a key word in there somewhere...who knows?). I sent an email to the ICT, and presto: the block was lifted.

March 23rd, 2006, 11:09
I note from a sticky message by Elephantspike that the URL will be changing frequently for this board, and that we're supposed to subscribe to a mailing list to keep track of the URL (did I understand correctly?).

Is this for those living in Thailand only, or all subsrcibers?

Is there a permanent URL that those outside Thailand can use?

elephantspike
March 23rd, 2006, 11:19
The actual url will not change. If you do not live in a country that blocks the board, you access the board normally. It is, and always will be, http://www.sawatdee-gay-thailand.com. If you are blocked from accessing the board normally, as those in Thailand are, you need to use an alternative url that accesses the board via proxy. The alternative urls will always lead here, but each one will probably eventually also be blocked. That's why new ones are published twice weekly; just to keep one step ahead of the censors. Before the old one is blocked, a brand new one will be published on that mailing list.