Why Business Class to Thailand ?

[allieb]

It always makes me laugh when members of this board start on about the Business class thing and how they can't sit for 12 hours in an economy seat. I have always had the opinion that any kind of air travel is unpleasant whatever class you are in. I for one will never travel anything but economy.

First of all the type of person I want to fuck never travels anything but economy. I always use Arab airlines to Thailand and transiting through Amman Dubai or Doha there is always the chance of getting together with a Thai overseas worker on his way home for vacation. Secondly the money one saves can buy an awful lot of extras in Thailand.

I have know some strange queens who always pay the extra to go Business to be more comfortable for a 12 hour flight and then stay in a dump for 3 or 4 weeks when they get there. I live in Saudi Arabia and the fare to Bkk right now economy with Qatar Airways is in GBP 420 return their business special is 700 pounds. Is it worth an extra 280 pounds to have a bigger seat that lies flat and to have the same food as economy but served on a plate rather than a foil container.

I would personally put that extra money against something during my stay in Thailand rather than for a brief period of being pampered inside a metal tube.

One last note is that I wonder how many of you business class travelers have been complaining about rising prices in Thailand including off charges and tips

[TrongpaiExpat]

I have know some strange queens who always pay the extra to go Business to be more comfortable for a 12 hour flight and then stay in a dump for 3 or 4 weeks when they get there.

You mean large queens and it's more than 12 hours from USA and most of Europe. Ever sit next to someone in Eco. that spills over on to your seat and can't fully extend the tray?

[allieb]

Ever sit next to someone in Eco. that spills over on to your seat and can't fully extend the tray?

Actually yes and as most flights I have been on were not completely full I have complained and been moved. By the way I have always thought that Fat people should pay a premium. I fact a fat queen I know here has been was banned from BA economy when they had this route and has to go back to UK Business. Difference of fare was 500 pounds economy 1,850 pounds business. Before anybody says its unfair this person was not sick just fucking greedy with food.

If you are seated next to en extra large person and complain enough you will be moved and if no empty seats are available you might get moved up front to Business and have an orgasm

[mahjongguy]

"I for one will never travel anything but economy."

Okay. That's fine. Somebody has to sit back there. Might as well be you.

If someone else chooses to pay for Biz Class and then economize on other outlays, why is that worthy of comment, much less disdain? We've all got different priorities.

As for "Persons Of Size", someone's opinion (yours or mine) of their guilt is totally irrelevant. Either they should pay more or they shouldn't.

No price is too high for the privilege of having a curtain separating me from the likes of allieb.

Either they should pay more or they shouldn't.

Now we can't BLAME many overweight persons for that but your point is well took. If we base charges on 1) yours and your luggage weight, AND 2) the actual miles flown * surcharge per mile, then a lot of inefficiency, at least as measured in persons moved per mile per quantity of fuel, might then wear out the system? Of course the "hub" system would not survive (has anyone figured out whether HUBS are really efficient?) Perhaps those that can will keep their weight down in light of xtra charges however they can't be punished, maybe just made to pay a little extra for a wider seat so the rest can be sure they are as well, comfortable?

... I never have to worry about what the poor people are doing. I just look past the curtain down into Economy Class. Poor sods

Well said Homintern!!
Being 6 foot 4, and 18 stone, l would NEVER travel Eco, aside the fact Deep Vein Thrombosis, with a 10 hour flight, stuck between 3 other people, you cant tell me its comfy.
I use to fly Eco, but my knees where under my chin, maybe we should charge the tall people as well as the fatties ?
Also assuming if Eco is so good, you would refuse an upgrade on principle?

PP

[Lunchtime O'Booze]

... I never have to worry about what the poor people are doing. I just look past the curtain down into Economy Class. Poor sods

or do as I do-accuse the person next to you of being vile and revolting and tell the flight attendant they are touching you up and a lawsuit is in the wind-usually gets you upgraded.

People give you terrible glares as you struggle to get your fake Louis Vuitton hand luggage from the overhead locker and get escorted to Business Class. They think you are some frightfully important person-especially the puzzled one who sat beside you.

My next feat is to try the same in Business and be sent to First Class where I truly belong.

[anakot]

economy = misery
business = misery lite

I also am 6ft 4 and all legs. I will not fly if I have to fly economy. Those few extra inches mean so much to me.. My first trip over I flew economy and I was so sore and miserable that I vowed never to fly that way again. I also now opt for an aisle seat so I can get up and down without disturbing anyone. If I can't afford to fly and enjoy myself I might as well stay home.

[allieb]

I have certainly touched some nerves here.

My point was that so many people, (Judge yourselves) fly business and then get very mean at destination. They complain that their income isn't as much as it used to be and make sacrifices and start penny pinching. I work in a very rich country and I could afford to fly business if I wanted. The reason I don't is as I stated in my original post. Another reason is I feel guilty at wasting money that could well be put to a better use like a bit extra for the boys and a bit extra on added comforts on arrival,which are shared with the current boy.

I'm not a mean person but I am careful not to WASTE on myself. For you tall girls there is nothing you can do but go business after all you are not responsible for your height and you are doing the right thing for yourselves and the poor sods in Economy as Hommie calls them . I bet if there were some POOR BUGGERS back behind the curtain Hommie would be in there like a shot.

I wish that fat people would have as much consideration, I believe that in 90% of cases their size is due to sheer greed.

If I were an over-sized person then I would not consider the extra money for upgrading to be a waste.

[Beachlover]

if no empty seats are available you might get moved up front to Business and have an orgasm

ROFL!

[Beachlover]

i think if your income is above a certain level it's worth the extra cost... i'm little so i feel comfortable in economy, but after 10hrs, I still feel a bit buggered coming off economy...

business does give you much more room... much more comfortable and better food/service so much more pleasant.

i think it comes down to income and how big u are... i do agree tho, business is a lot more than economy... so for most it's not worth it

[Brad the Impala]

My point was that so many people, (Judge yourselves) fly business and then get very mean at destination. They complain that their income isn't as much as it used to be and make sacrifices and start penny pinching.

Are you referring to your acquaintances or posters here?

I am not aware of anyone who does that.

[fedssocr]

First of all the type of person I want to fuck never travels anything but economy. I always use Arab airlines to Thailand and transiting through Amman Dubai or Doha there is always the chance of getting together with a Thai overseas worker on his way home for vacation. Secondly the money one saves can buy an awful lot of extras in Thailand.


I have never fucked anyone on an airplane and I have to say that meeting some one on the plane is not a priority for me.

Flying for basically a day is not fun no matter what class, but you sound like some one who has never actually experience business class, especially for such long flights. You can't even really compare it to flying in economy. As long as you are on a good airline the level of comfort is several orders of magnitude higher. Having so much more space around you is a lot more comfortable. And if you, like me, are unable to sleep in a sitting position then being able to lie flat is invaluable. Plus lounge access at the airport is a big perk.

Luckily for me I have collected enough frequent flier miles to be able to fly up front for "free". I was in business class last year on ANA and will be again this year. All I had to pay was about $50 in taxes and a small booking fee.

So, your attempts to paint everyone who ever rides in business class as some sort of inferior person who spend big bucks to fly and then nothing on the ground have fallen flat. :bom:

[Smiles]

All comes down to personal preference, whatever the reason.
I fly economy because when I get to Thailand I prefer to spend my money on what I consider more important things in my life there. But I'm only 72 kilos (160 lbs) and 5'10" . . . fit into an economy seat without a problem and can fall asleep there almost instantaneously. My only proviso is an aisle seat on the long haul parts (i.e. Vancouver/Narita for instance) to make moving around a bit to stretch the legs much easier. The 777's which United uses across the Pacific have only 2 abreast seats on the window sides which makes things even more (reasonably) comfortable.

Don't care about airport lounges . . . like to wander the halls of Asian airports leering at sweet Asian asses (so many!). Don't care about airline food in economy (of course, mediocre at best) as I refuse at least one of them ~ sometimes two ~ because I hate that bloated feeling while mostly sitting in a chair for 10 hours. Easy to please I'd say :blackeye:

I'd just rather spend my money eslewhere is all, and do not give a second thought to the extra room and service the boys and girls upfront may be getting. Good for them. Making judgements about people's motives in choosing business or economy class is a silly game and accomplishes nothing . . . . your preferences being "up to you".

Cheers & happy skies ...

[Lunchtime O'Booze]

i think if your income is above a certain level it's worth the extra cost... i'm little so i feel comfortable in economy, but after 10hrs, I still feel a bit buggered coming off economy...

business does give you much more room... much more comfortable and better food/service so much more pleasant.

i think it comes down to income and how big u are... i do agree tho, business is a lot more than economy... so for most it's not worth it

One should always live above one's income ! ( did Oscar Wilde say that or was it Mrs O'B ?)

Why not? :-)

(Unless you are just telling us all how to behave, miss schoolmarm.)

[bao-bao]

The Premium and Business seats on EVA airlines look both spacious and lovely as I walk past them on my way back to where I sit, but I agree with those who feel there are better things to do with the money saved. HOWEVER, after trying the marginal upgrade from standard economy to what they alternately call Evergreen Deluxe and Elite class I have not flown in standard economy again, and here's why:

Being close to 6' 5" and over 200 pounds myself I find it difficult to fold myself up into a seat just over 18" wide where my knees are within 3" of the seat in front of me. God forbid the person ahead of me is one of those who abruptly shoves their chair back into a recline despite my polite request at the start of the flight for some warning to avoid hobbling me.

EVA's minor upgrade to Deluxe or Elite gives you what I'd guess is about 5 inches more legroom and a better seat pitch when you recline it. I can't say as the food is much better, if at all (most airline food's too salty for my liking, anyway, unless I plan to arrive with most of the fluid imbibed still in me). I can actually recline and stretch my legs out straight to sleep in these seats.

A simple search on their site for the same flight dates - not exactly an apples to apples comparison, but close - showed

$1,130 / $1270 for standard Economy
$1,480 / $1,630 for Evergreen Deluxe or Elite and
$4,455 / $4,694 for Super Business or Laurel.

Even taking the upgraded economy instead of business, that's a difference of around $3,000. That difference could buy two more round trip tickets, pay for all other expenses on a fairly comfy two to three week stay or put at least 20 Thai kids through a year of schooling - but I'll make that pitch in another post soon. I can justify the addtional few hundred.

I know there are special deals, promotional fares and the likes... but overall I can't justify spending thousands more for what's offered in the seats up front. I agree, good for those who do - but it seems needless to me.

...I think a $45K+ auto is an obscenity, too, but from what I see cutting in front of me on the freeways here I'm apparently in the minority.

My two satang.

I just purchased a business class ticket r/t from Bangkok to LAX on EVA for 84,000 baht net. That's only about $2,500.00.

[allieb]

I have never fucked anyone on an airplane and I have to say that meeting some one on the plane is not a priority for me

Neither have I fucked anybody on a plane but I have exchanged phone numbers with other passengers many times which has led to some very pleasant sexual experiences.

[allieb]

My point was that so many people, (Judge yourselves) fly business and then get very mean at destination. They complain that their income isn't as much as it used to be and make sacrifices and start penny pinching.

Are you referring to your acquaintances or posters here?

I am not aware of anyone who does that.

I have met countless people in Pattaya who do it and are they posters here? I have no idea since everybody except a few on this board are anonymous

[Brad the Impala]

My point was that so many people, (Judge yourselves) fly business and then get very mean at destination. They complain that their income isn't as much as it used to be and make sacrifices and start penny pinching.

Are you referring to your acquaintances or posters here?

I am not aware of anyone who does that.

I have met countless people in Pattaya who do it and are they posters here? I have no idea since everybody except a few on this board are anonymous

Your acquaintances then.

[francois]

Why Business Class? The steward asked, "what wine would you prefer?" I prefer champagne! "No problem, I will open a bottle for you sir".

The flight for me is just an inconvenience to be got out of the way as cheaply as possible. I'm with "Smiles", a pair of earplugs and I sleep most of the way and would refuse champagne even if it was offered. Not bothered about the food either as I don't mind not eating for a day if it's that bad. I certainly wouldn't pay extra for leg room or food etc for just a few hours. I've much better things to spend my money on when I get to Thailand.

As a frequent flyer not only to Thailand, which I've been visiting for twenty years, I haven't got any horror stories about fellow passengers. The worst I can remember was a baby that got on my nerves a bit but decent ear plugs take care of that.

The one thing which does annoy me is unreliable service which is why I avoid British Airways.

[HawaiiBoy]

Please, just take your Valium and you won't notice a bit of discomfort.

I've found something better than business class (for me, anyway). I fly economy on Emirates from London with a long stopover in Dubai. There's a five star hotel in the departure lounge at Dubai airport where you can hire a room by the hour (so not too expensive). So, after a 7 hour day flight london to Dubai (depart 1.30pm), I get a good night's sleep, followed by another 6.5 hour day flight dubai to Bangkok, arriving late afternoon. Perfect.

I've found something better than business class (for me, anyway). I fly economy on Emirates from London with a long stopover in Dubai. There's a five star hotel in the departure lounge at Dubai airport where you can hire a room by the hour (so not too expensive). So, after a 7 hour day flight london to Dubai (depart 1.30pm), I get a good night's sleep, followed by another 6.5 hour day flight dubai to Bangkok, arriving late afternoon. Perfect.

How does this work out on the return leg?

I've only done it in one direction so far. But there are quite a few flights bkk-dubai and dubai london, so it should be possible to do something similar. Main difficulty is navigating the Emirates website - allowable flight options seem to change by the minute!

[piston10]

..except for one or two practical routing suggestions. Most of us dislike long-haul air travel and we all have opinions to express about our experience; but they are so variable and personal that no truth emerges. From the evidence of the thread they are a function of our ideas about what is comfortable, our physical build, the amount of money we have or don't have, our priorities in spending it, our ability to sleep or not during a flight, our sense of ourselves (Homi peering at the plebs!), our attitude to other people, our patience or lack of it, our modesty or arrogance, and even, I suspect, how we feel on the day of travel. Too many variables. One man's report really has no relevance to what the next reader will find, even when the report claims to be stating fact. It's all pure opinion and you make a serious mistake if you think your own experience will mirror that of another traveller, unless he's a friend you know very well and whose biases you can factor in. (One of my very best friends, who is thoroughly generous to other people, is very ungenerous with himself and will put up with a lot to save himself a bit of money; so on matters like this I always take what he says with a pinch of salt. Trouble is, you don't know how much salt to sprinkle on a forum post!)

For example:

In the opinion of one poster BA is shit, but the cheaper Eva premium economy turned out to be good. I hold no special brief for BA, but I have travelled BA premium economy a fair number of times - for seat comfort and leg room. I have had deep, armchair-style seats, soft and with wide armrests. I found them very comfortable. On my last trip I went with the Eva equivalent class, having read well of this airline. The seats were economy-style with a bit more leg room - and hideously uncomfortable. There was little padding on the seat; it was like sitting on a wooden church pew for 12 hours. (An alternative take on this would be that I don't have enough flesh on my arse to be an air traveller at all - which is probably true.) The armrests were that hard moulded plastic stuff that, at the end of 12 hours, left my elbows sore and raw.

So there you have two directly opposed opinions. All you can glean from them is I that happen to like armchairs and don't have much interest in any other aspect of the tedious ordeal. You'll be terribly interested to know, won't you, that I can't sleep on a flight, can't concentrate on reading when surrounded by other people, and have to spend the time checking whether or not we're still over Turkmenistan. Still I have my ways of coping. Take a Viagra on boarding and pop off to the toilet every now and then. It won't, of course, get you into the Mile High Club, but it's good training for the days and weeks to come - Outwards only, of course. (Oh, and I liked it in the days when BA flight stewards were mainly gay and sayashed, sassy-arsed, up and down all night. At least there was something to look at!)

Ive found something better in Dubai....Their business lounger, l think it was voted the best in the world!!
All for the cost of nothing, if you fly Business.
If you ever get chance to see it, do so, it is magnificent, and all types of offerings.

I forgot one of the best things with Business, aside
Space
less drunken fools shouting
Better service
and the Champagne..

Check in, no long queues when you get to the airport and see your queue is so long you cant see the end. With Business it's stright to the front, and if there is a queue, go to the First Class counter, 5 minute check in, then staright to the lounge.
If you get the Hub seat 75" pitch on the plane.


pp

[francois]

I just purchased a business class ticket r/t from Bangkok to LAX on EVA for 84,000 baht net. That's only about $2,500.00.

Did you book with an agent; on line, etc. How long in advance did you book? I saw on EVA website special"hot" business class fares were $4000 and regular business class maybe $6000.

I booked online. Travel agents could not match. There is a special offer now, 5% discount for payment by MasterCard, which factored into the price I got.

My travel period is October/November.

Remember, this is travel starting in Bangkok. The price comes up in baht. Again, exactly 84,000 baht, all in.

[atri1666]

There are always ways to save more than 50% for flights in the premium classes from europe to asia. For lovers of emirates >> from first november they will increase the fares about 16%. I only fly with staralliance and long haul flights only in business or first. Mostly pay 1400-1800тВм for return flight (normal would be 2900-4400тВм). You only need the right booking engine - premium access to expertflyer and the homepages of the preferred airlines. In europe never fly business because they dont have real business (seats are the same - only difference in snack or no snack).

Have you ever noticed that whenever you fly with Thai International, the safety announcement is always much longer in Thai than it is in English?
Is it just me who wonders what they aren't telling us?

Ive found something better in Dubai....Their business lounger, l think it was voted the best in the world!!
All for the cost of nothing, if you fly Business.
If you ever get chance to see it, do so, it is magnificent, and all types of offerings.

I forgot one of the best things with Business, aside
Space
less drunken fools shouting
Better service
and the Champagne..

Check in, no long queues when you get to the airport and see your queue is so long you cant see the end. With Business it's stright to the front, and if there is a queue, go to the First Class counter, 5 minute check in, then staright to the lounge.
If you get the Hub seat 75" pitch on the plane.


pp

pp
the lounge acces is a part of a business ticket, so yes it is a part of the cost of a business ticket. and has always been.
I use my Diners Card to get into their really nice lounge in Copenhagen. Wine, coffee, spirits and light snacks for free, they even have a smoking room. I can use the lounge whatever class and flying on all airlines. That I would call: All of the cost of nothing - even if you are not flying business. Alas they are not represented in BKK, but I think I can use it in Dubai, :bounce:

From Diners Club, and remember I don't have to buy a business ticke and of no cost:

Dubai International Airport -- Dubai, United Arab Emirates

Lounge Name: Dubai Civil Aviation First Class Lounge
Lounge Location: Between gate 12 and 14 - coming from airport duty-free, go to the left, coming from arrivals go to the right.
Telephone: +9714-2244000 Ext. 4061

Hours Open: 24 hours a day, 7 days a week
Languages Spoken: English and Arabic
Entry Conditions: Conditions of entry to any Diners Club Airport Lounge may change from time to time, subject to policies and procedures imposed by airport security.
Amenities Offered: Telephone within UAE, magazines, satellite TV channels, food and beverages. For a fee: fax, internet, and bedrooms.
Fees: Cardmembers please check with your issuer for terms and conditions of lounge access; Guests AED 55.00; AED 27.50 for children under 12 years.

[Brad the Impala]

Have you ever noticed that whenever you fly with Thai International, the safety announcement is always much longer in Thai than it is in English?
Is it just me who wonders what they aren't telling us?

"Beware the cocksucker in the next seat, who is only travelling in Economy because he is using it as a cruising area for pickups".......possibly?

Learn Thai and you'll find out.

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[Brad the Impala]

Have you ever noticed that whenever you fly with Thai International, the safety announcement is always much longer in Thai than it is in English?
Is it just me who wonders what they aren't telling us?

Learn Thai and you'll find out.

I think that this falls into the category of "not such a good reason" to learn Thai!

Learn Thai and you'll find out.Alternately assume that Thai is a language where words like "khrap" and "na" mean nothing but are there just to fill up the sentence

Yep. Business Class is not for all. Personally, I look for a good deal on business in flight and with good quality hotels in Thailand. I can buy four and five star in Thailand for less than I pay for Travelodge and Holiday Inn Express while I'm earning it, so my little affluence fantasy comes at a reasonable price IMNSHO. If I meet some intelligent goodlooking local folk along the way that adds to the enjoyment and I have a list of long standing acquaintences at my destinations who will share a good dinner.

Skimping on the flight and room to buy "personal services" or bop the night away with the seriously "fit" isn't my idea of a good holiday, but each to his own. We won't take it with us.

Why Business Class? The steward asked, "what wine would you prefer?" I prefer champagne! "No problem, I will open a bottle for you sir".

Got it in one! Vive la France! :cheers:

The first time I ever flew Business it was because I got bumped up. It's absoute heaven compared to steerage...oops ...I mean Economy. I've been trying ever since to "live the life I would like to become accostmed to".

Unfortunately, being a working-class guy, I can only afford steerage....damn...I mean Economy. About once every 4 trips I can afford a one-way upgrade to Business with my "air miles" which just barely keeps life worth living.

You don't know what you're missing until you find out what you don't have.

sigh... I'll never be a good Buddhist

[francois]

Same-same Kenc, I was bumped up to Business Class both on Northwest and Thai. Never went back to Cattle Class, but never say never.

[Aunty]

I wish that fat people would have as much consideration, I believe that in 90% of cases their size is due to sheer greed.


Oh that's just ridiculous, allieb, and I am surprised and disappointed in you that you would come out with such prejudiced rubbish! It may not have trickled down into the minds of the general public yet, (there is after all a $50 billion a year industry in the US alone that is invested in keeping people thinking their weight is under their control) but in medical research circles it is widely acknowledged that a persons weight, fat OR slim, is largely beyond their control and is actually a product of the interaction between our genes and the environment we now all forced to live in.

Your bigoted statement and the mindset behind it is the equivalent of born again Christian saying that Gay's aren't born that way, they choose to be homosexuals. When did you make your choice to be queer? When did you choose your current weight?

[elephantspike]

Well, if you regularly swum to Asia, you might be surprised how much weight you might loose. :blackeye:

To answer the original question directly:

Why Business Class to Thailand?

So you can boast about it and make derogatory remarks about those who don't choose to use their money to further line the pockets of the airlines.

I'll stay where I am in Economy and happily avoid the snobs in Business Class and save money as well. I've been upgraded a few times, nothing worth paying extra for.

[allieb]

When did you make your choice to be queer? When did you choose your current weight?

Aunty darling I chose to be gay the first time someone stuck their dick up my arse. Joking apart I agree we don't choose to be gay we are born that way.

As for weight I am at the moment about 10kg overweight It isn't just happening its my fault for not controlling my intake of food. I know I should eat less but having just gone through a prolonged illness I didn't care. I have now taken control and in the last 4 days lost 1kg. I know I can get the other 9kg off because I am addressing my greed. I have chosen to be 10kg lighter.(will update if I happens) By the way I haven't seen too many huge Thais around, I wonder why

Kun Jon I couldn't agree with you more there have been a few bitchy remarks from our business class travelers who take great pride in looking down on the connie class crowd like you and me. When I was young and living in Gay London 70's we used to call these people PISS ELEGANT. I wonder how many would know the difference between Champagne and Asti Spumanti when served to them

I have flown First class many times when traveling with my employer and business on a couple of free upgrades and also when I was in a spot and had to go somewhere and there were no economy seats available My own opinion is yes its nice BUT IT AIN'T WORTH THE EXTRA CASH. I would never do it by choice I have other priorities with my hard earned money

A return trip by business class costs about ┬г1000 extra (last years figures).
This is approximately ┬г50 for every hour spent on the plane.

If my salary ever approaches ┬г50/hour or invested assets reach near ┬г1million, business class will seem like good value.
In the meantime it's economy for me -but with careful selection of airline & seat position to ensure tolerable legroom.

So you can boast about it and make derogatory remarks about those who don't choose to use their money to further line the pockets of the airlines.


Oh, yeah, the airlines are really raking it in these days.

[thrillbill]

Why Business Class? The steward asked, "what wine would you prefer?" I prefer champagne! "No problem, I will open a bottle for you sir".

And... on Northwest economy flying across the Pacific, the cranky, 70 year old flight attendant demands $5.oo for a warm can of beer!!!!

Flying business class is great, but if one can handle economy, one DOES save quite a bit of change. When I fly economy, just don't seat me next to hyper active kids; for, their parents are probably sitting in Business Class enjoying that wine.

[Irish1972]

Because I can!

My next trip as stated else where on this Board is in Economy Plus, but given the choice I would fly Biz. It does not hamper my enjoyment while I am there, it does not impact on my Bank Balance to the point where it is silly to choose it.

But being faced with 10 or 11 hours cramped up with Babies crying, someone asleep on my shoulder or worse "not asleep" and bugging me about where, what,who,why or how....No thanks

Gimme the snobs in Biz class anyday! But then that is my choice, I think I am entitled to it.

... but in medical research circles it is widely acknowledged that a persons weight, fat OR slim, is largely beyond their control and is actually a product of the interaction between our genes and the environment we now all forced to live in.

What a load of BS! Having worked in 'medical research circles' I can assure you that there is a direct correlation between the amount of food and calories one consumes and ones weight and fatness.

True, some people are more prone to gaining weight with less calories than others because of their genes but the answer for all to lose weight or stop getting fat is:

Consume less food and exercise. You just have to find out by trial and error how many calories you need for your given level of activity.

Gimme the snobs in Biz class anyday! But then that is my choice, I think I am entitled to it.

No problem with that, it's your money...

[Smiles]

" ... in medical research circles it is widely acknowledged that a persons weight, fat OR slim, is largely beyond their control and is actually a product of the interaction between our genes and the environment we now all forced to live in. ... "
As Snowkat says above, pretty much bullshit.
The two biggest medical 'in-denial' myths are probably that (1) smoking doesn't cause lung cancer (" ... I know this old dude ~ 102 I think he is now ~ who has smoked 2 packs a day all his life and is as healthy as a horse ... "), and (2) that obesity is genetic/hormonal (and Aunty's new one) /environmental, and beyond one's control.

Fat folks just love #2 as much as hacking smokers worship at the altar of #1.
Scarfing down (way!) more calories than one burns up during any given day gives a net plus for calories which end up as quivering fat. Do it every day, and voila, you're classicaly obese faster than it takes to say 'Beached Whale'.

Looking forward to Aunty's hissy fit on this one any time soon.

Cheers ...

[CHAOTOU]

Why Business Class? The steward asked, "what wine would you prefer?" I prefer champagne! "No problem, I will open a bottle for you sir".
flight attendant demands $5.oo for a warm can of beer!!!!

When I am in Thailand, I usually drink my beer on ice. Might as well start on the way over. Cheers!

Smiles is right that anyone can lose weigh - and even return to their ideal weight - simply by eating less. But more interesting is the thought that if you consistently gain just one ounce of weight per week, after 30 years you'll be 100 pounds overweight. Given how little food it takes to gain one ounce, it's amazing we aren't all obese - we eat so much more and work (physically) so much less than our ancestors.

I'm not making excuses for myself. I'm one of the lucky, lazy overeating thin ones.

[Smiles]

" ... anyone can lose weigh - and even return to their ideal weight - simply by eating less ... ".
In theory that's correct, but it's far better to combine eating better (and less) with regular exercise. That combination gives you a bigger bang for yoour buck: it keeps you much healthier in general, makes one feel better about "self", and keeps one reasonably attractive to Thai guys.

Genetics plays a very large part in original body type . . . i.e. the slim man or women who seems to stay slim no matter what. But they too will get fatter (perhaps not so fast) over time from long years of over eating and a sedentary life. The calories in / calories out equation is inexorable.

Trying hard not to sound like some missionary on this topic. Of course, every man to his own.

Cheers ...


Long way from "Why Business Class?" isn't it? :cheers: One reason ~ among others ~ why I'm addicted to Sawatdee.

Long way from "Why Business Class?" isn't it?

Yes, in your last two posts on this thread you've covered: Genetics; Smoking and Obesity ... All a long way from "Why Business Class"

Next, will you be advocating the Canadian national sport as a way to get undesirable people out of your way on flights?

http://loscuatroojos.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/s-04-10_clubbing_x.jpg

[Aunty]

... but in medical research circles it is widely acknowledged that a persons weight, fat OR slim, is largely beyond their control and is actually a product of the interaction between our genes and the environment we now all forced to live in.

What a load of BS! Having worked in 'medical research circles' I can assure you that there is a direct correlation between the amount of food and calories one consumes and ones weight and fatness.



Of course there is you dumbass! But that doesn't tell you a damn thing about why so many people are in an energy imbalance, does it? If it's as simple as you imply it is, then there wouldn't be any fat people, would there, you flat earther! They would all just eat less and there wouldn't be a problem, would there? Well wake up sunshine, there is a problem. 50% of most western people are now overweight or obese and it's getting worse. And pompous people like you haven't offered a damn single explanation for it, let alone an answer that works!

[Aunty]

" ... anyone can lose weigh - and even return to their ideal weight - simply by eating less ... ".
In theory that's correct, but it's far better to combine eating better (and less) with regular exercise. That combination gives you a bigger bang for yoour buck: it keeps you much healthier in general, makes one feel better about "self", and keeps one reasonably attractive to Thai guys.

Genetics plays a very large part in original body type . . . i.e. the slim man or women who seems to stay slim no matter what. But they too will get fatter (perhaps not so fast) over time from long years of over eating and a sedentary life. The calories in / calories out equation is inexorable.

Trying hard not to sound like some missionary on this topic. Of course, every man to his own.

Cheers ...

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I don't like you smiles, I never have. Why, becuase you're a dickhead!

Of course there is you dumbass! But that doesn't tell you a damn thing about why so many people are in an energy imbalance, does it? If it's as simple as you imply it is, then there wouldn't be any fat people, would there, you flat earther! They would all just eat less and there wouldn't be a problem, would there? Well wake up sunshine, there is a problem. 50% of most western people are now overweight or obese and it's getting worse. And pompous people like you haven't offered a damn single explanation for it, let alone an answer that works!
It's simple you moron, so many people are in energy imbalance because they eat too much (often unhealthy and fat laden junk food) and do too little exercise.

If these people ate less and exercised more there wouldn't be a problem. However, they do not have the intelligence and/or will-power to eat only what they need for a healthy lifestyle. Therefore, they get fat.

I've offered the explanation and the answer that works - Eat less (and give up fat laden junk food), and exercise more. If you get the balance right between the calories you consume from the type and amount you eat and the calories you require for you daily lifestyle you will lose weight and fat.

You call me a flat-earther. You're the one in denial. I would hazard a guess that you are over-weight (and probably obese) but have your head in the sand and cannot accept that it is a result of your lack of will-power and over-indulgence (or, to be blunt, greed and gluttony). It's no good blaming genes/hormones, the environment or modern life - they're just cop outs from those in denial about the true cause of their problem. Nutters like you deserve all the health problems associated with overweight and unhealthy eating that you are likely to get sooner rather than later.

[allieb]

The allied forces didn't find any fat people in the German prison camps at the end of world war 2

I have no sympathy with fat people they are usually greedy with no will power to loose weight, or they simply don't care. Anyway there are no shortages of boys in Pattaya to cater for the fatties so why should they care.

OK, you want to lose weight, let's say. You seriously want to lose weight.

Well, I can tell you the only thing that ever worked for me. It was/is called "The Pritikin Plan" and was extremely simple:

1. No booze.

2. No sugar.

3. No protein.

4. No fat.

You might panic and think "I'll die without protein!" but in fact you can eat reasonable amounts of things like white chicken meat...but the whole thing had better look a lot like a Thai or North African diet -- with a big pile of rice, or pasta, or some starch, and a little bit of chicken on the side.

One of the typical things I ate on the Pritikin plan was "Pea Curry." Make some curry sauce, and stir in peas rather than meat. Pour it over a mound of rice and dig in.

While you're doing this, you'll come to understand that things like wheat and rice are already 12 percent protein. You'll also come to understand that probably the hardest rule is #4. ("But I don't eat FAT!!") Well, get used to your morning toast WITHOUT butter, and non-fat milk. If you're like me, you'll quickly understand that fat is really delicious. This probably was programmed into us during the many long millions of years when there was never enough to eat.

Your mileage will vary.

....

1. No booze.

2. No sugar.

3. No protein.

4. No fat.

You might panic and think "I'll die without protein!" .....

Actually, I didn't even get past #1 :drunken:

[Bob]

Make some curry sauce, and stir in peas rather than meat. Pour it over a mound of rice and dig in.


Pea curry? That sounds god awful. Although I'm not horizontally challenged, I'd rather paint Goodyear on my side and float over a stadium than eat that crap!

Long way from "Why Business Class?" isn't it?

Yes, in your last two posts on this thread you've covered: Genetics; Smoking and Obesity ... All a long way from "Why Business Class"

Next, will you be advocating the Canadian national sport as a way to get undesirable people out of your way on flights?

http://loscuatroojos.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/s-04-10_clubbing_x.jpg

A BA steward demonstrates how they really think of "Club Class" to an unsuspecting passenger after a flight to Northern Canada.

Those many born can't help it of course. Most can and yes it IS the diet, mostly. Like most farangs my waist went fron 30 to still pushing 36 (lucky me! so it's still in the 'jenes') in my late twenties but a LOT of exercise, and moderation of my worst food and beer drinking habits is at least giving the resemblembance of my triangular physique. It's interesting to see all the Thai kids in the shopping malls surprisingly chubby at that from refrigerators, sitting and watching television eating all that junk food and dairy products and other shit from the west imported in environmentally destructive plastic containers undersold to the local economy piled into shopping carts in air conditioned mass malls with full parking lots. Hmmmm it will be interesting to see the end all of all the effects down the road from these changes in their constitutions.

Since my first trip to Thailand 12 years ago, it seems that thais too are getting fatter and fatter, well some are. So it shoud also be in their genes. halleluja. no sure it is not, it is because they are eating more and more junk food. The first time I saw some thai guys in a Burger King I thought "why are they doing this to themselfes"

The first time I saw some thai guys in a Burger King I thought "why are they doing this to themselfes"

Because it tastes good, why else?

[cottmann]

Smiles is right that anyone can lose weigh - and even return to their ideal weight - simply by eating less. But more interesting is the thought that if you consistently gain just one ounce of weight per week, after 30 years you'll be 100 pounds overweight. Given how little food it takes to gain one ounce, it's amazing we aren't all obese - we eat so much more and work (physically) so much less than our ancestors.

I'm not making excuses for myself. I'm one of the lucky, lazy overeating thin ones.

Whose idea of "ideal weight"? This is largely a statistical rather than a medical concept of "ideal."

This idea originated with life insurance companies in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, and was based on sex and age specific height-weight tables, the data being obtained from policyholders. These tables originally stated the "average" weight of policyholders for each gender over a given age range, and it was the "average" weight that was always recommended. "Overweight" included all individuals who exceeded a given weight range for age. Persons who weighed 20 percent or more than average for their age and gender were penalized with higher insurance rates. "Above average" weight was generally considered bad whether it was from muscle or fat, and no distinction was made between the two.

So, until the 1940s, the life insurance tables suggested that the best weight was the average weight for one's height, age and gender. In 1942-3, however, the US company Metropolitan Life Insurance Company published new tables for, first, women and then for men. The wording was changed, however, and now the weights were not given as average weight but as "ideal" weights. Unlike previous tables, though, the weights for a given height no longer varied by age but instead by a new standard called "frame size" (i.e., small, medium and large). This "ideal weight" was determined by statisticians who, noticing that increased mortality in persons over the age of thirty was associated with weight increases over the average, assumed not only that the ideal weight was the average weight in 20-to 29 year olds but also that this was the weight one should maintain throughout one's life. The new tables, therefore, deleted the age variable and added the subjective determination of frame size.

There is some evidence that a BMI of of 25 to 30, the so-called overweight range, may be optimal, according to American research reported in 2005 and 2007 and published in the Journal of the American Medical Association in November 2007. The researchers reported that overweight people have a lower death rate because they are much less likely to die from such diseases as Alzheimer's and Parkinson's, infections and lung disease, and that this lower risk was not off-set by increased risks of dying from any other disease, including cancer, diabetes or heart disease.

I guess "ideal" is in the eye of the beholder.

This is the view I was treated to for ten hours on the last flight where I got stuck in economy. Need i say more?


http://pichostonline.com/u/080714/9c40551405.jpg (http://pichostonline.com/)

[allieb]

No you need not say any more.

To take and keep a picture of a fellow passenger with his shirt off tells me that you were creaming your knickers over him

Is that really your conclusion? What a moron you are.

It was, of course, taken to show to people like you, who ask why I am happy to spend the extra money to be have a curtain separating me from cretins like this. I understand, though, that you feel quite at home among them. Of course, you live in Saudi Arabia, so perhaps you have acquired a higher degree of tolerance to subhuman filth than the rest of us.

[allieb]

Is that really your conclusion? What a moron you are.

It was, of course, taken to show to people like you, who ask why I am happy to spend the extra money to be have a curtain separating me from cretins like this. I understand, though, that you feel quite at home among them. Of course, you live in Saudi Arabia, so perhaps you have acquired a higher degree of tolerance to subhuman filth than the rest of us.

If the alternative is sitting next to someone like you or Boygeenyus then yes I would not feel at home but more comfortable with the folks in your photo. To even refer to other human beings as subhuman filth also tells me you could well be an admirer of Adolf Hitler

If the alternative is sitting next to someone like you or Boygeenyus then yes I would not feel at home but more comfortable with the folks in your photo.

Well, then, everyone's happy. How wonderful!

[Smiles]

Lightened it up a bit for easier viewing.

It is gross for sure.
Did the flight attendant suggest he put his shirt on? If the airline employees said nothing (hard to believe), then that's even more gross.
Or ... did you get this shot from the net (where, as all know, one can get a photo of just about anything)?


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v18/sawatdeephotos/Personal/fatso1.jpg

Cheers ...

I can assure you that I took the pic myself. It was a BA flight from Chicago to London. No one said a thing. Shortly after taking that shot, I swallowed a handful of Xanax and put my own sleep mask and noise-canceling headphones on. That is the only way I can deal with economy.

Never mind him, what about the FWC in the short dress? Imagine being sat next to that, think I would be ill.
She should cover up, preferably with a burkha.

Thankfully I didn't notice anything like that on Eva, but perhaps it's time to stretch the budget to business.

[cottmann]

I can assure you that I took the pic myself. It was a BA flight from Chicago to London. No one said a thing........

Years ago, BA was understood to stand for Bloody Awful! I see things haven't changed.

[giggsy]

Henry Cate wrote:
....

1. No booze.

2. No sugar.

3. No protein.

4. No fat.

You might panic and think "I'll die without protein!" .....




i went to see my doctor today and said "if i go on a diet, give up smoking, give up drinking and give up sex will i live longer?"
he said "NO IT WILL JUST SEEM LIKE IT"