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June 24th, 2008, 00:00
If anyone's after something a bit different then perhaps a visit to the "Tiger Temple" in Kanchanaburi might be of interest. My boyfriend and I went by taxi from Bangkok a few years ago and had intended to repeat the trip earlier this month but circumstances prevented it. We always use the same driver, the reliable and friendly "Khun Kai", who seems to enjoy our expeditions as much as we do and is always reasonable when it comes to agreeing a price.

The temple is situated near the Thai/Myanmar border so it is a bit of a journey from Bangkok but I think it was worth it. The tiger sanctuary is run by monks who have a rather unorthodox way of dealing with the animals in their care.

My initial impression was not very encouraging as we stood about in suffocating heat at the entrance to a compound having been told that something was going to happen at 2.30. It's part of the fun with these expeditions that my boyfriend is often more aware of what we are going to see as he takes pride in trying to organise something that he thinks I will like and if he can surprise me then all the better. All he'd said to me was "You like tiger?" "OK we go..." In this case he had no idea what was about to happen either.

Eventually some monks opened the gate and we walked through a thinly wooded area towards some cages and some open grassland. It was at this point that I noticed, to my considerable surprise, that a totally unrestrained tiger was also approaching.

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The more I looked the more tigers I saw. All ages and sizes, some on chains being led by keepers but many wandering free with just a collar that was given the occasional tug if they went off in the wrong direction. Some of the tigers had no collars at all.

There weren't many visitors and we all assembled in an open area where we mingled with the animals. One cub was playing in a tub of water and when I approached he climbed out and took a liking to one of my trainers. He gripped the laces with his teeth and refused to let go. I lifted up the soggy cub and tried to get him to release my shoe but he wouldn't. So I put him down and limped about with a wet tiger attached to my foot until he eventually gave up the game.

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The cub's mother was nearby and seemed happy to pose for photos. Getting my, normally animal loving boyfriend, near enough to take a photo wasn't easy. He can be a bit timid and the tiger's terrified him. I never expected to stroke the head of tiger and, in hindsight, it's probably not the wisest thing I've ever done but here I am.

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If there was ever a case when I might have expected some camera shake this was it but my boyfriend managed a clear shot and one of the few photos of myself that I don't mind looking at.

I wanted one of the two of us together with the tiger, but there was no way that he was coming that close. He's similarly timid at snakes shows, which he loves, but leaves me to sit at the front while he retreats to the back row.

After the close encounter the monks then moved off with some of the largest tigers that were still being walked on the end of chains. We followed and came to a small creek were even these larger animals were released and we watched as they played in the water. This was the only time when the monks instructed us on how to behave with the tigers and kept us back from what I assume were the least tame of the group. The tigers would still have had no problem if they had wanted to attack us though and I thought that my boyfriend would have been hardly more than a mouthful for them.

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To be so close to such magnificent animals was an amazing experience and to be able to touch, stroke and play with them was extraordinary. At one point one of the largest of the tigers opened its mouth and roared. The sound was awesome and feeling it resonate through my body was unforgettable.

My boyfriend loves zoos and we've visited some fairly poor examples in Thailand over the years. The treatment of some animals has worried me and I was very glad to read not long ago that some orang-utans we'd seen being treated appallingly had been rescued. However for all my reservations about tigers in captivity The Tiger Temple did seem to be a genuine sanctuary with most of the animals having been rescued as orphaned cubs. They were mainly from over the border in Myanmar where hunting is more common. Some tigers are reintroduced to the wild and the love and attention that they get is obvious. There has been some negative publicity though claiming it's just a money making scheme as there is a compulsory "donation" to get in.

There have been cases in Thailand of accidents at animal reserves and shows and I can't help thinking that this unrestrained mingling with tigers is asking for trouble but once you're there the happy, smiling monks create a peaceful atmosphere that's impossible to resist. The fact that there were also deer wandering about, and apparently quite unconcerned, also added to the feeling of unreality.

My boyfriend has a small menagerie of his own with numerous cats, dogs, birds, fish, hedgehogs, rabbits (always increasing) etc etc. He recently made me laugh when he described a scheme to buy an ostrich and keep it on the land behind his house. The thought of my small boyfriend trying to control a large ostrich, which would certainly be much taller than him, was irresistibly funny. Luckily for both my boyfriend and the ostrich it proved too expensive though they are available, apparently, for around 20,000 Baht.

krobbie
June 24th, 2008, 02:53
Kun Jon,
What great photos. Thanks for this.

I am always looking for things to do and so is my guy. We are in fact going to Kanchanaburi when I get there in 5 weeks, so we may just pop in and see the Tigers. How much is the donation?

Cheers
Krobbie

June 24th, 2008, 02:58
>How much is the donation?<

400 Baht when I visited though you can give more of course. Soi Yok National Park is also worth a visit although last time I was there there was a drought which rather spoiled the views. It's been just the opposite recently so things should look a bit better now.

dave_tf-old
June 24th, 2008, 06:18
Beautiful shots and some great looking, expressive creatures. I'm a little queasy with zoos too, but given the increasing encroachment of man into the wilds, this seems like an admirable second-best situation. I can understand your boyfrend's reluctance and relate very much to him wanting to show you a good time. I, however, would have been as up-close to these animals as they would have allowed. Good on you.

I love these mini-travelogues reporting on places beyond the basic sois we all know. Thanks for posting.

Smiles
June 24th, 2008, 08:21
Every warning I've ever read about making lovey-dovey with wild animals says something along the lines of " ... and please steer well clear of mothers with babies ... ". I would think that would go pretty well double for lions and grizzly bears ... and tigers. And you're cuddling up to one, with cub? ARE YOU NUTS????

Nice photos though. :clown: :clown: :clown:

Cheers ...

Impulse
June 24th, 2008, 08:29
Your very brave.At a younger age i would have gotten close to these animals,but you never know with big cats.Sifgried and Roy come to mind. I did ride an elephant but even that is a risk.Ive read of some mishaps with unhappy elephants. i guess being in Thailand you get used to taking risk,hell,just walking along the road is taking your life in your hands. Nice report.

Beachlover
June 24th, 2008, 09:22
thanks kun jon for the report and the piccies- the cub tiger was cute!

tell us more about how to get there? ... what time should we leave? how long does it take? how much should we pay for a taxi there?...

There haven't been any 'accidents' there have there?... must be unnerving being completely at the mercy of a few unrestrained tigers!

June 24th, 2008, 09:27
Just don't show up with raw liver stuffed down your pants.

Bob
June 24th, 2008, 09:55
Just don't show up with raw liver stuffed down your pants.

For you, Rice Farmer, I'd propose tying a porkchop to your face. :cheers:

thaiguest
June 24th, 2008, 14:26
Every warning I've ever read about making lovey-dovey with wild animals says something along the lines of " ... and please steer well clear of mothers with babies ... ". I would think that would go pretty well double for lions and grizzly bears ... and tigers. And you're cuddling up to one, with cub? ARE YOU NUTS????

Nice photos though. :clown: :clown: :clown:

Cheers ...
I visited there 18 months ago with some friends from Europe. This temple and the founding monk is the subject of well-aired wild-life documentary on western tv.
The monk in question started taking in orphaned cubs and the whole thing snowballed esp. after the media featured his efforts. The operation now involves overseas volunteer workers, thousands of paying tourists and hinges on mostly young and cute monks weighing less that 45 kilos themselves walking around with unrestrained half- ton carnivores. At the end of our visit 20/30 fallang tourists were corralled in an enclosed sandpit being sized up by 12 of these tigers. I asked a lady from Sweden on a 'year out' volunteer posting there if anyone had a weapon to protect us in the event of an all-out feeding frenzy on the part of the big cats. She was shocked by my question and pointed out that this was a buddhist establishment and that killing was not allowed in any circumstances. I doubted though if the tigers were in on this concensus.
As far as I know no tigers have been released from here into the wild. There's a pointlessness to the whole place in the scientific sense and I'm convinced that some day soon Tiger Temple will be in the news for the wrong reasons.

June 24th, 2008, 18:38
thanks kun jon for the report and the piccies- the cub tiger was cute!

tell us more about how to get there? ... what time should we leave? how long does it take? how much should we pay for a taxi there?...

There haven't been any 'accidents' there have there?... must be unnerving being completely at the mercy of a few unrestrained tigers!

I was never really clear how my boyfriend came up with "Khun Kai", probably the friend of a cousin's friend's uncle sort of thing. He's an ordinary Bangkok taxi driver but is very happy to take us on day trips. A couple of years ago I was paying him between 2,000 and 3,000 Baht for a day but my boyfriend did the arranging. Khun Kai actually had leaflets in his taxi of places of interest outside Bangkok so he was obviously used to taking people further afield and I would assume that there would be other drivers who would do the same but I don't think all would. I'm sure local travel agencies would also arrange the trip for you. Unfortunately recent plans to use Khun Kai again had to be cancelled so I've not seen him for a while.

Going direct I think it would take a couple of hours to get there but I'd try and find out in advance what time they "release" the tigers as we got there rather early and had to wait around. We didn't go straight there as we also visited a very strange "Theme Park" devoted to world religions. Can't remember it's name and I doubt that it survived long as we were the only visitors and trundled around in a little train looking at rather poor reconstructions of religious monuments etc ending up at the pretentiously named "Centre for World Peace".

"thaiguest's" visit was more recent than mine so perhaps he can help more though it doesn't sound as if he enjoyed it much. There were only about eight of us when I was there and we weren't "coralled" at all as it was all rather casual.

In light of "Smiles's" comments questioning my sanity (which I entirely agree with) I would have to rephrase my description of my boyfriend as "timid" and substitute "sensible".

June 24th, 2008, 20:07
And from the neighbours:

Tigers in a Chinese Zoo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-kGq5LgKxg&amp;feature=related)

Beachlover
June 25th, 2008, 05:50
Well... at least they're teaching those tigers to hunt.. in a way

The Thai tiger temple tigers worry me... in that they're not really given the opportunity to develop the survival skillst they need...

June 25th, 2008, 07:07
Well... at least they're teaching those tigers to hunt.. in a way

The Thai tiger temple tigers worry me... in that they're not really given the opportunity to develop the survival skillst they need...

Um, what "survival skills" does one need to live a cushy existence in a Thai temple for the rest of one's life?

June 25th, 2008, 08:30
tell us more about how to get there?

Try this link to the Tiger Temple (the last time I was there I couldn't find the "English" button).

http://www.tigertemple.org/Eng/Address.htm

Beachlover
June 25th, 2008, 09:41
thanx ArNoid... hehe sweet name

... survival skills?... I mean if they're ever released into the wild!

June 25th, 2008, 15:08
That's the point: these tigers are never released back into the wild. I'm sure when they die, their carcasses are sold to Chinese to make medicine. Perhaps before they die a natural death. In any case, these are wild animals being exploited for commercial purposes. Where is Cedric?

June 27th, 2008, 11:32
Damn those meddling NGO's! Here they are, out to spoil the fun at the Tiger Temple. Why do they continue to try to force Western morals on Asia? Everyone knows they're just out to line their own pockets and advance their religious agenda.

http://www.bangkokpost.com/270608_News/27Jun2008_news14.php

UK wildlife group slams Tiger Temple

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A British conservation group has called on state wildlife agencies to look into alleged animal abuse and illegal tiger trafficking at a famous temple in Kanchanaburi province. A report by the group Care for the Wild International (CWI) claims the animals at the renowned ''Tiger Temple'' are kept in confined spaces and poorly cared for.

The report also raised concerns over the safety of tourists, as they are allowed close contact with the animals.

Since the worldwide broadcast of a documentary on the Animal Planet channel around 900 foreign tourists visit the temple on busy days, said the CWI, which made a two-year investigation into alleged wildlife abuse and smuggling.

The group does not give the full name of the temple and simply calls it the ''Tiger Temple'', as it is popularly known.

CWI chief executive Barbara Maas said the temple's popularity was based on claims its tigers were rescued from poachers and move freely and peacefully among monks who are actively engaged in conservation activities.

''This utopian facade hides a sinister reality of unbridled violence and illegal trafficking of tigers between Thailand and Laos,'' she said.

CWI claimed it has evidence that rather than rescuing orphaned tiger cubs the temple operates as an illegal breeding facility and is involved in the clandestine exchange of tigers with the owner of a tiger farm in Laos.

CWI Southeast Asia director Guna Subramaniam said the major attraction of the temple is that tourists can interact closely with live tigers.

She said the group had met with the temple's abbot to discuss the problems but he was reluctant to negotiate and showed no interest in reform.

The group called on the National Parks, Wildlife and Plant Conservation Department to confiscate the tigers and transfer them to a sanctuary.

The acting deputy director-general of the National Parks, Wildlife and Plant Conservation Department, Kamolwat Visetsiri, said the agency seized seven tigers and almost 300 other animals seven years ago but could not find any guilty party. He said he would inspect the temple after acknowledging the CWI's complaint.

Smiles
June 27th, 2008, 23:42
" ... The report also raised concerns over the safety of tourists, as they are allowed close contact with the animals.
... "
That particular complaint seems legit ... especially when one is talkin' tiger. Meercats, OK.

Cheers ...

thaiguest
June 28th, 2008, 16:45
Fascinating report. I follow a numbr of travel forums, and the Tiger Temple seems to be a popular destination with straight tourists. However, recently there have been allegations of mistreatment, and of trading tigers with Laos in a Nat Geo article. The allegations are not backed up by any solid evidence though. Seems from your report that the tigers are well treated.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... emple.html (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/06/080620-tiger-temple.html)
Thank you for the link.
When i said I expected the place to be in the media for the wrong reasons in the near future I had in mind the danger posed by the big unrestrained cats. By way of giving me comfort the volunteer Swedish lady told me that the tigers are monitored for aggression and when the head monk feels it's time to act the cat in question is no longer allowed to walk around. As an added hedge against a futures melt-down in the sand-pit enclosure I remained unpolitely close to a group of loud, obese, Americans.
I had no confidence whatsoever in the presumed power the monks had over the cats and I was in no doubt that in the event of an attack these agile desciples of Buddha would have shimmied up the steep sides of the enclosure like so many feral goats leaving the falangs to their fate. But self-preservation being what it is, kept me, as I already said, unpolitely close to a group of obese Americans. I hope Buddha will understand.

July 1st, 2008, 13:36
Read more, please. ...

http://www.careforthewild.org/news.asp? ... atest+News (http://www.careforthewild.org/news.asp?detail=true&I_ID=578&section=Latest+News)