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April 6th, 2008, 12:40
New Brunswick, New Jersey: Dith Pran passed away. 30 March, at age 65; of pancreatic cancer. His sense of humor, reportedly, intact to the end.
His story: The Killing Fields, hopefully; will not be forgotten.

April 6th, 2008, 13:23
New Brunswick, New Jersey: Dith Pran passed away. 30 March, at age 65; of pancreatic cancer. His sense of humor, reportedly, intact to the end.
His story: The Killing Fields, hopefully; will not be forgotten.

Sorry to hear of this passing. It was a film that had a profound effect on me ...
I'm sure the film The Killing Fields will remain a powerful reminder of the dreadful events in Cambodia.

Also today, Charlton Heston has died. Was he a gay icon?

April 6th, 2008, 13:37
Thanks for this post Edith. I am sorry to learn of the passing of Dith Pran, he was a fine man and a very brave one as well.

Below for those interested, is a short video clip on Dith Pran, called: Last Word.

George.

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/mu ... index.html (http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/multimedia/20080320_DITH_PRAN_LAST_WORD_FEATURE/index.html)

Brad the Impala
April 6th, 2008, 15:13
The Doctor who played Dith Pran in the movie, and won an Oscar for his first acting role, and who had himself survived life under the Khmer Rouge, was killed in a street robbery in California, some ten years ago.

April 6th, 2008, 15:36
Also today, Charlton Heston has died. Was he a gay icon?
I think not! He was an avowed homo-phobe.

Khor tose
April 7th, 2008, 02:54
Also today, Charlton Heston has died. Was he a gay icon?
I think not! He was an avowed homo-phobe.

Heston was a number of things,--some good some bad---but he was not homophobic. You will not find one source anywhere where Heston put down gays. He acted with hundreds of gays and in his big break out movie--Ben Hur--he worked closely with Gore Vidal who has never had anything bad to say about Heston. Being a conservative does not make you homophobic anymore then being labor (like Blair) makes you Brits all war mongers.

PS I realize that the English are the mother tongue, but homophobe is not yet a real word in American Dictionaries.

April 7th, 2008, 03:08
Heston was a number of things,--some good some bad---but he was not homophobic.
http://www.gabbr.com/blogs/2008/4/9754/ ... ies-at-84/ (http://www.gabbr.com/blogs/2008/4/9754/Charlton-Heston--actor--bigot--homophobe--women%E2%80%99s-rights-opponent--dies-at-84/)
http://mizai.tripod.com/
http://www.broadwayworld.com/board/read ... &boardid=1 (http://www.broadwayworld.com/board/readmessage.cfm?thread=962178&dt=53&boardid=1)
http://www.vpc.org/nrainfo/statements.html

Brad the Impala
April 7th, 2008, 03:58
PS I realize that the English are the mother tongue, but homophobe is not yet a real word in American Dictionaries.



homophobe

noun
a person who hates or fears homosexual people

WordNet┬о 3.0, ┬й 2006 by Princeton University.


Princeton University seems to accept it!

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/homophobe (http://http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/homophobe)

April 7th, 2008, 05:29
It's my belief that the English are whole people rather than just "tongues", though some of my Scots compatriots might disagree.

To be lectured on which words we may or may not use, by someone who can't properly form a sentence is rather bizarre.

April 7th, 2008, 06:57
To be lectured on which words we may or may not use, by someone who can't properly form a sentence is rather bizarre.I did rather think "the English are the mother tongue" was a somewhat bizarre turn of phrase, but then I assumed he's an American and for them all, English is their second language

April 7th, 2008, 07:38
English is their second language

But then the same could be said for an island across the "English Channel".

Khor tose
April 7th, 2008, 08:36
Yes, I know all about the Harvard Law School speech. It was very big news in America, but it is not homophobic. He was talking about the first Amendment and freedom of speech. He was railing against political correctness. Not homophobic or racist. I would hope that all of you would have spoken against the white power stucture in the South, at the turn of the century, where the press justified lynching, and it was politically correct to be a racist. I hope all of you would have spoken out against police raids on gay bars in the 1950's when gay bashing was politically correct, and I hope all of you would have spoken out against Senator McCarthy in the early 50's in America when it was political correct to attack anyone with different views as a communist. That is what Heston said and I have to agree with him--up to a point.
My apologies to Homointern, who always says to check google. Yes homophobe is now a word. My dictionary was printed in 1999---Duhhhhh.
Oh course, the last sentence is completely wrong. You all know what I meant to say, so shoot me.

Khor tose
April 7th, 2008, 08:36
Yes, I know all about the Harvard Law School speech. It was very big news in America, but it is not homophobic. He was talking about the first Amendment and freedom of speech. He was railing against political correctness. Not homophobic or racist. I would hope that all of you would have spoken against the white power stucture in the South, at the turn of the century, where the press justified lynching, and it was politically correct to be a racist. I hope all of you would have spoken out against police raids on gay bars in the 1950's when gay bashing was politically correct, and I hope all of you would have spoken out against Senator McCarthy in the early 50's in America when it was political correct to attack anyone with different views as a communist. That is what Heston said and I have to agree with him--up to a point.
My apologies to Homointern, who always says to check google. Yes homophobe is now a word. My dictionary was printed in 1999---Duhhhhh.
Oh course, the last sentence is completely wrong. You all know what I meant to say, so shoot me.

April 7th, 2008, 09:50
You all know what I meant to say, so shoot me.Where do we form the queue? As Heston was president of the National Rifle Association it seems rather apposite

Khor tose
April 7th, 2008, 15:40
We hate to queue in America, and that is the second amendment, which is an entirely different discussion.

April 7th, 2008, 15:54
He acted with hundreds of gays and in his big break out movie--Ben Hur--he worked closely with Gore Vidal who has never had anything bad to say about Heston. Being a conservative does not make you homophobic anymore then being labor (like Blair) makes you Brits all war mongers.

Heston denied a claim by Gore Vidal, who wrote the screenplay for Ben Hur, that the writer included a gay sub-text, between the two main characters, to the script but did not tell Heston.

Heston also refused to accept the historical fact that Michaelangelo was homosexual when he played the artist in 'The Agony and the Ecstasy'

Both denials by Heston were presumably for fear of being labeled a homosexual for playing such characters in the films.

These two denials alone make him a homophobe in my eyes.

April 7th, 2008, 16:49
Thank goodness Her Majesty has granted us the right to queue without needing a written constitution. Seems that, that sort of thing is just a precursor to persecution by lawyers.

Khor tose
April 7th, 2008, 23:49
That scene between Heston and Stephen Boyd is one of my favorite scenes of all time. Yes, it is incredibly gay, and I've heard Gore Vidal talk about that scene and how they dared not tell Heston what was going on. However, if you watch the scene you can see that Heston is clearly confused and really did not understand what Boyd was doing.
I am in my early sixties and clearly remember the time in America when "Gays did not exist." Heston is that generation older then me. I do not know how it was in England in those days, but in America no one talked about gays or saw people as gay. Give the man a break or try to understand how bad things where in America. We did not have Oscar Wilde, or any other favorite poofs(?) Is is so easy to forget now that then, even the very popular Liberace was not considered gay. Not seeing people as gay is just part of his (and sadly) my generation.
By the way in the documentary "The History of Gays in Hollywood", we find that there were many other scenes with gay themes in some of the movies dating back to the silent films. No-one, but gays ever noticed these scenes. You just did not see gay people in those days as they did not exist in America. Yes, Americans in those days had the same mentality that the President of Iran has today.