Pattaya Gay Festival Bruno's Dinner

[Jim Lumsden-old]

I am delighted to announce that tonight's dinner at Bruno's was a great success. With 90 guests a grand total of 530,000 Baht was raised. The food along with the company made the evening very enjoyable.
Thank You to everyone who attended

Jim Lumsden

A Fabulous event that brought out some of the great supporters of the PGF in Pattaya 100.000 Baht was donated by Bruno Pingle the developer of the forthcoming "Ocean 1 Tower" 100.000 Baht from Mr. Targan the specialist up market car dealer and various other and no less significant generous donations from others.
The major players in the Gay scene were there from Jim the ever present and never tiring icon from "BBB", Glen & Peter from "Throb & Splash", Gedo from "Gianns" Restaurant, Richard from "Amore" and others whose where also visible by there presence and generous support.
Visible by there absence was anyone from Luxor, Manhattans, Mata Hari's, The Birdcage, Sunee Plaza, Day & night Plaza and Jomtiem Plaza no doubt these places were keeping there hard earned cash for there favorite charities

A Fabulous event that brought out some of the great supporters of the PGF in Pattaya 100.000 Baht was donated by Bruno Pingle the developer of the forthcoming "Ocean 1 Tower" 100.000 Baht from Mr. Targan the specialist up market car dealer and various other and no less significant generous donations from others.
The major players in the Gay scene were there from Jim the ever present and never tiring icon from "BBB", Glen & Peter from "Throb & Splash", Gedo from "Gianns" Restaurant, Richard from "Amore" and others whose where also visible by there presence and generous support.
Visible by there absence was anyone from Luxor, Manhattans, Mata Hari's, The Birdcage, Sunee Plaza, Day & night Plaza and Jomtiem Plaza no doubt these places were keeping there hard earned cash for there favorite charities


Hi,

Some people like dinners, I am not a great fan actually.

But I did manage to donate to Thais for Life, Baan Jing Jai, now doing SOS Rice appeal, the Bangalmung wheelchair appeal,and the swimming pool appeal in Rayong, paid by myself in the last two months.

I apologize if that wasn't enough. I never asked recognition and kept quiet, but now you are mentioning the subject!

In between, I have my Mother in Hospital on cancer checks, my sons due out at the end of the month, My cancer checks on the 27/28th of this month, Ocean blu project to complete and orgainse staff and still minor errors to correct at the Birdcage,

DO YOU WANT MY JOB!

You are welcome.

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[catawampuscat]

John Botting, this was a good list to be left out of and what a shock that it was posted by a newbie with so much info
and so tacky too...
humbily :cat:

Looking back on all 4 of Leeman's postings he seems to have a 'Thing' about Kevin and his projects.
What's your point Leeman?

A great response Kev and also well said by John Botting. Kevin is one of the most generous men I know.

Kevin,
Your charity contributions are truly commendable and I wish you well to continue with them in the future. ItтАЩs unfortunate that youтАЩve taken my comments in the wrong spirit, I was simply pointing out that you and others were mot in any way present or visible at one of the biggest and highest fund raising events of the Gay calendar, an event which was an ideal opportunity to show your and your business support for our Gay community here in Pattaya.
Whilst buying rice, wheelchairs and swimming pools are IтАЩm sure very important to you I think you will agree that raising money to keep dying people alive as the PGF does is the first and most important thing in life before worrying about childrenтАЩs swimming pools, I suppose we all have different priorities in life.
IтАЩm truly sorry to hear of all your familiesтАЩ woes perhaps a visit to your home in England to give them some moral support is possibly in order. Regarding the Birdcage you knew what you were buying a 3 times failed business that will take a lot of very hard work to bring into profit and also your Ocean Blue condo (no relation to Ocean 1 condo I take it) just a slight deviation of its big brothers name no doubt you thought of it first.

Now then Mr. Blotting you also have it wrong I was referring to Gay businesses and based here in Pattaya which IтАЩm sure you will correct me if IтАЩm wrong you are not?.
So you think that 2000 Baht is too much to pay for a charity dinner 500 Baht of which goes straight to the charity and generally 5 or 10 percent of all other moneys spent at the event are also donated by the venue. Regarding your Rotary club dinner at PascalтАЩs just how much of the 1000 Baht cost of the food and drink income will be donated to your charity? I doubt very much that it will be a glass of Champaign that you will get with your meal at that price I think sparkling wine is what you mean.

[puckered_penguin]

Dear leeman - Last year I contributed just over 63.000 Baht to the PGF. This year I will support other charities as I find your postings distasteful. The PGF, in my mind, is now associated with the likes of you and I would not wish to attend an event you might be at so I will avoid all PGF events.
I will now support some of the charities Kevin has selected.

Catawampuscas and Coatimundi with names like that are you two related?
Yes itтАЩs true I had only 4 posting to date 6 after this one now that IтАЩm semi retired I intend to be active on this board and perhaps become a тАЬteacher memberтАЭ like Kevin or a тАЬgifted memberтАЭ like Jim or perhaps one day a тАЬgolden memberтАЭ like you Catawampuscas I donтАЩt have тАЬa thingтАЭ about Kevin anymore that I have a thing for any of the other businesses I mentioned and I just happened to start on this board by asking about his new (now de-funked) Gay hotel which I may have been interested in putting my friends in when they come on holiday as I have only small condo. I have also asked exactly where this alleged ocean Blu condo project is and received some sarcastic answer from Kevin about him standing on the top of the Royal Cliff waving flags well is sign posted is it is Soi 5 or in a sub Soi just where the hell is it ??

Mr. Penguin I'm truly sorry you take my comments it that way and that you are choosing to abandon the PGF a very worthy cause. I also donate in a smaller way to other causes but believe that charity starts at home its a great shame that a truly great cause as raising money to help in the main HIV surfers will loose out because of your attitude and you allegiance to Kevin a self promoted business man that has set himself up as a know all and advisor to the Gay community a person who in my eyes still has to prove his business prowess.

Dear leeman - Last year I contributed just over 63.000 Baht to the PGF. This year I will support other charities as I find your postings distasteful. The PGF, in my mind, is now associated with the likes of you and I would not wish to attend an event you might be at so I will avoid all PGF events.
I will now support some of the charities Kevin has selected.

If you google quotations + charity you will find:

William Hutton: 'The charity that hastens to proclaim its good deeds, ceases to be charity, and is only pride and ostentation'

Is this what P_P had in mind?

As a non-Pattaya resident, I am appalled at some of the comments here which only serve to fracture the Pattaya gay community. No one is obliged to attend any dinner or fund raising event, however well intentioned, if they don't want to, or have reason not to. Its not helpful to criticise individuals or businesses on the basis of one event. Everyone has the right to choose what they want to support, or not to support, and such attacks only divide the community even further, rather than bringing it together.

And I suppose comments like yours have made Bangkok Pride the overwhelming success that it isn't :geek:

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[catawampuscat]

leeman is close to being the first poster to make my ignore list in a long time.
Too bad he doesn't realize his attitude and style have made him very irritating in a very short time. :puke:

We have enough pious ponticifactors already and like many newbie, leeman has no respect for others and
is another clueless self-appointed and self-important character..

leeman has made the worst first impression of any poster in a long time and kind of makes one miss
noom lex. At least he had a clue!! :cat:

leeman is close to being the first poster to make my ignore list in a long time.
Too bad he doesn't realize his attitude and style have made him very irritating in a very short time. :puke:

We have enough pious pontificators already and like many newbie, leeman has no respect for others and is another clueless self-appointed and self-important character..

Support those sentiments entirely. It seems to me that leeman and his offensive attitude is far too like Earwig/LMTU for it to be just a co-incidence - I may be wrong but think not!

Kevin,
Your charity contributions are truly commendable and I wish you well to continue with them in the future. ItтАЩs unfortunate that youтАЩve taken my comments in the wrong spirit, I was simply pointing out that you and others were mot in any way present or visible at one of the biggest and highest fund raising events of the Gay calendar, an event which was an ideal opportunity to show your and your business support for our Gay community here in Pattaya.
Whilst buying rice, wheelchairs and swimming pools are IтАЩm sure very important to you I think you will agree that raising money to keep dying people alive as the PGF does is the first and most important thing in life before worrying about childrenтАЩs swimming pools, I suppose we all have different priorities in life.
IтАЩm truly sorry to hear of all your familiesтАЩ woes perhaps a visit to your home in England to give them some moral support is possibly in order. Regarding the Birdcage you knew what you were buying a 3 times failed business that will take a lot of very hard work to bring into profit and also your Ocean Blue condo (no relation to Ocean 1 condo I take it) just a slight deviation of its big brothers name no doubt you thought of it first.


Dear Leeman,

The swimming pool was for children with HIV/AIDS!

Regards proving my business prowess to you, I really don't think it necessary at all.

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Not only an unpleasant post, but one followed by some equally unpleasant replies.

leeman:
Visible by there absence was anyone from ..... no doubt these places were keeping there hard earned cash for there favorite charities

Anything but "no doubt". Just because someone chose not to attend one charity dinner does not mean or even point to their not supporting the charity concerned - they may simply not like dinners, as many do not, and they may well support the charity with considerably more than the 500 baht given on behalf of each diner. On the other hand, they may not - you simply do not know.

an event which was an ideal opportunity to show your and your business support for our Gay community here in Pattaya.

"show" being the operative word - "support for the Gay community here in Pattaya" is merely assumed, not necessarily made.

I suppose we all have different priorities in life

The only valid point you make.

Kevin a self promoted business man that has set himself up as a know all and advisor to the Gay community a person who in my eyes still has to prove his business prowess

Most business men are self promoted - it is part of the package. Everyone who posts anything but a question here (including me) has "set (them)self up as a know all and advisor to the Gay community", to a greater or lesser extent: Kevin is no exception. Given his sale of Throb/Splash alone I, for one, have no doubts as to his "business prowess"; as he rightly says, however, he has no need to prove his business prowess to you or to anyone else and I doubt if that is a suitable topic for discussion here.

John Botting:
Personally I wouldn't pay 2000 Baht for a dinner at Bruno's.

Nor I, but neither would I pay 1000 baht for a dinner at Pascal's. If charity dinners were purely about value for money they would be held at my local noodle shop, which I can highly recommend.

I also think your view about PGF supporting Heart2000 is a little messed up based on your comments. Heart2000 helps far more straight people than it does gay.

I actually find this also "a little messed up" and as divisive as leeman's comments; as far as I am aware Heartt 2000 does not discriminate betwen gay and straight, quite rightly, either with those it helps or with any records kept on them, so this is totally unsubstantiated.

puckered penguin:
Last year I contributed just over 63.000 Baht to the PGF. This year I will support other charities as I find your postings distasteful. The PGF, in my mind, is now associated with the likes of you and I would not wish to attend an event you might be at so I will avoid all PGF events.

To base your choice of which charity to support solely on the grounds of leeman's posts here is, with all due respect, rather short-sighted and unfair. He claims no association with the PGF, they certainly have made no mention of any association with him, nor, I would imagine, are they likely to. I am not defending the PGF (I have never donated to them, but that is not a factor one way or the other) but there is no real reason to believe or dis-believe that he was even at the charity dinner himself at all. Hopefully those donating to charity will make their choice for better reasons than this.

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[Bob]

BACK TO THE ORIGINAL POST:

Congratulations to Bruno's, the PGF, and the ever-involved Mr. Lumsden for a job well done. Just a continuation of a long and great history of raising a ton of money for some well-deserved charities.

As a side note, it's rather sad and pathetic to me that others have used Lumsden's posting (an announcement and a thank you) to snidely insinuate a few things about others. And, frankly, I don't see the point at all, John, of you pointing out that Dr. Phillipe treats more straights than gays (there is is point to that comment?), of your comment that you wouldn't fritter away 2000 baht for a given charity dinner (who cares...), and then using this thread to boost your own bash (even if, in its own right, it is a well-deserving charity). Just a bit tacky.
My comments are not intended at all to belittle Kevin's charitable work history (substantial) nor to belittle the great work the Rotary Club does.

BACK TO THE ORIGINAL POST:

Congratulations to Bruno's, the PGF, and the ever-involved Mr. Lumsden for a job well done. Just a continuation of a long and great history of raising a ton of money for some well-deserved charities.

As a side note, it's rather sad and pathetic to me that others have used Lumsden's posting (an announcement and a thank you) to snidely insinuate a few things about others. And, frankly, I don't see the point at all, John, of you pointing out that Dr. Phillipe treats more straights than gays (there is is point to that comment?), of your comment that you wouldn't fritter away 2000 baht for a given charity dinner (who cares...), and then using this thread to boost your own bash (even if, in its own right, it is a well-deserving charity). Just a bit tacky.
My comments are not intended at all to belittle Kevin's charitable work history (substantial) nor to belittle the great work the Rotary Club does.

Bob,

I am Right with you, if you want to help a certain charity from your heart , do it, if it does not feel good to you, DON'T, it bis your own money and kindness.


I don't want thanks and wish this post and not developed as it did, Good on PGF,Good on every person on this board who contributes private OR publicly.


All the best, and please let's end this,

[GayThailand]

I was at the BrunoтАЩs dinner as I am not in Thailand often to support the other PFG events. The 2,000 baht IMHO was money well spent and the food was excellent and the boyfriend and I had a great time.

I would never begrudge anyone who didnтАЩt show for the event. I do not think it is fair to suggest that every gay business owner should go to the dinner just because a few do. Everyone has different schedules and agendas and time is important to many who have their own business. I know I donтАЩt own a business in Pattaya and only come here on holiday and it was hard to fit into my schedule. Kudos to Jim and Richard and the others who made the time to do this.

No one should be made to feel guilt for not attending the event. Nor should anyone hold bragging rights because they forked out 2k baht to attend. It is a personal decision. There are many charities in Thailand that one can choose to give to and PGF is not the only one deserving.

Personally, I find Mr. Botting and I have little in common (unless he was playing the violin the other night at the Rotary function as the music was beautiful). I think I only met him once and he wasnтАЩt the friendliest individual I have met and I have been told by many who meet me that I seem uninterested in talking to them as I tend to keep watching the boys walking by instead of listening closely to a Falang conversation. (My attention span is EXTREMELY limited to say the least when in Pattaya). For a businessman, I think JohnтАЩs magazine is excellent and his website is useful. I use both. What I think of him socially has nothing to do with what I think of his business. They are separate issues for me. What I like about his business and how he chooses to spend the money he earns from them is his own fucking business and no one elseтАЩs. Which charity he chooses to participate in and which one he does not is also not of my concern. Why anyone would get upset with him or others for not going to an overpriced yet amazingly wonderful dinner is stupid.

The same can be said for Kevin. I have met him and been extremely charmed by him and think he is a stand up guy. I also happen to think his business ventures are going to be profitable. I would easily buy a new condo from him but the cost is too much for someone of my meager means to afford. I did ask the boyfriend if I could cut his salary a bit to afford one of these fine places but he refused my request so it looks like I am stuck for a bit without a home in Pattaya. Kevin should be able to choose where he spends his hard earned money. If that is in a beer bar on Walking Street with a bunch of wild women, taking lessons at the local tiger farm to learn how to train crocodiles or even help out a charity with a new swimming pool is only one manтАЩs concern and no one else.

But, I donтАЩt give a ratтАЩs ass if Kevin or John or any other business owner was at the BrunoтАЩs dinner or not. That is their personal decision. Why do we see the need as gay men to keep berating other gay men instead of coming together as a community? It is counterproductive for all. PGF is a good organization in which to contribute. There are others just as good and just as beneficial to the community. There are also those in other countries that are wonderful. The bulk of my contributions have recently gone to political groups in the USA to try to direction of my country, which is even more fucked up than the Pattaya gay community (if that is possible). Everyone should give to whom they want, when they want and if they want. Kudos to anyone who gives to any organization that is supportive of the gay community including this message board, which is free for all to use.

[Brad the Impala]

I would easily buy a new condo from him but the cost is too much for someone of my meager means to afford. I did ask the boyfriend if I could cut his salary a bit to afford one of these fine places but he refused my request so it looks like I am stuck for a bit without a home in Pattaya. Kevin should be able to choose where he spends his hard earned

" Meagre Means"! Surely you are too modest! Were you not boasting of your "intimate" dinners that you were hosting for 200 people, on your vanity website? Or was that another entrepeneur, who assumed the name Gay Thailand and provided a website, full of inaccuracies, and presumed to title his website "The Gay Thailand Informattion Source", despite the internet presence of at least three other forums providing more accurate and up to date information!

[GayThailand]

" Meagre Means"! Surely you are too modest!


Thanks. Yes, I am a bit modest. I appreciate you acknowledging that. But, there is a big baht difference between a party and a large condo. At least I think there is. If not, please point me in the right direction to find this condo as I am defiantly interested.



Were you not boasting of your "intimate" dinners that you were hosting for 200 people, on your vanity website?


Were you at that dinner? Sorry, I missed you. Perhaps next time you will say hello. I meet a lot of people but am not good with names. Next time just tell me you are the Impala. I am sure I'll remember it.



Or was that another entrepeneur, who assumed the name Gay Thailand and provided a website, full of inaccuracies, and presumed to title his website "The Gay Thailand Informattion Source", despite the internet presence of at least three other forums providing more accurate and up to date information!

I love all the forums and have no issue with any of them. I do not consider GayThailand a forum site. That is only one part of it. I'm sure you have provided much up to date information on this site about the cities in Thailand. I'll do some research here and find your informative posts and try to learn from you. Thank you for the advice and pointing me in the right direction. I do appreciate it very much.

Bob, GT, I endorse what both of you say, though GT, I am always a bit wary of any charities or even events that specifically only support "communities", whether these are gay, lesbian, black, brown, Jewish, Muslim, etc, etc, rather than address problems (HIV, poverty, starvation, education, etc) as I think that this is unnecessarily divisive and from a purely financial perspective often fails to make the best use of the limited funds available. I have always respected the Pattaya Gay Foundation for supporting Heartt 2000 as a Pattaya based charity which helped those in need of help irrespective of whether they were gay, straight or anywhere in between; I do not know what prompted Dr Philippe to emphasise this point, but it is regrettable that he needed to do so.
Personally, I cannot see how some of those who complain most about not being accepted by a community (and I am not talking about anyone here specifically) can justify their position if they insist on separating themselves from it - one of the reasons why I have never supported a "Gay Pride" type celebration (or a Black Pride / Muslim Pride / Veterans Pride, etc) except as part of a larger celebration / march, etc., where they can be seen to be part of the parade and part of the community, not a separate part..

Are there any photographs of this dinner posted anywhere on the net?