Suggestions to a "go-go" boy on stage

[thrillbill]

My Thai BF and I (for once) stayed in Pattaya over the weekend and checked out many of the Go Go Boy clubs in Sunee Plaza and Soi Pattayaland. Like I said in another forum...the guys had thin bodies that showed (no muscular toned bodies at all) ; had the girly long hair(heaven forbid if they looked butch or masculine); looked as energetic as a wet mop; and just stood on the cat walk stage with their cell phones up their arse...

I kept thinking of the gay venues in the Statesor Europe where the gay dancers "move and grove" ....gyrate their stuff....can do magical gymnastic movements with the chrome poles... their eyes and smiles flirt with the audience...

But these guys.... they need help. Do they really think they're hot? The only thing they have going for them (such as with the Sunee crowd) is that they look under 18. They don't take care of their bodies and they don't know how to flirt with the audience.

So what is your suggestion to these "go-go boys" to improve their performance when on stage? (Maybe we an translate this in Thai for them and we'll discover a whole new exciting approach in these clubs...

Well they could take them to some of the girl go-go bars where they really pole dance US style. Fabulous girls with great bodies and killer smiles.

Plus the bars have Happy Hours with house drinks at 60 baht and they are very nicely decorated. One of the ones I'm thinking about is Ozzie owned on Walking street and also the Pussy Licky ( no longer ) on Soi Diamond.

Wild West used to be able to get their attractive boyz to look happy and dance around flirting with the customers but it has faded.

Most of the boys can dance up a storm in a disco.

Actually i prefer the slim longer hair boys as long as they are not ladyboys. I avoid bars with too many ladyboys in them.

[bao-bao]

Most of you know I'm not much of a "clubs" person. I've sat in a couple and seen a couple of shows, but it's not why I've come to Thailand in the past.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who knows this basic principle, but I'll state it anyway:

If you want to sell a product, you have to pay some attention to the display. This is equally true for a produce vendor with a street cart, a store in Siam Center or a gogo boy hoping for an off.

In the case of the produce vendor they put their nicest examples up front, interact with the customers and encourage the sale. In looking back at that sentence, I guess the same holds true for the gogo boy!

It would just seem like an obvious thing for owners of the clubs to tell the guys who want business to act like they do, or, better still - tell the guys that doing some minimal dancing is a requirement for employment, preferable before hiring them.

Still, I'd rather see one of the human "mannequins" on the stage rather than one of these!

http://www.sawatdee-gay-thailand.com/forum/albumpics/1874.jpg

So what is your suggestion to these "go-go boys" to improve their performance when on stage?

I have always found tipping the more energetic dancers gets those around them moving. You might also consider sponsoring an impromptu dance contest. A surprising number of the boys are very good dancers. These are the ones I like to take to the disco.

[dab69]

maybe the audience is not to THEIR liking/preference.
perhaps they should write what they would dance harder for,
a farang crowd that would take care of themselves ,
be younger, applaud, smile at them without
being a flirt.

I tried to off a guy on the stage in the Boyztown bar and he refused me, I actually asked him again because I thought he could have misunderstood me, but he said no and ignored me. I found it very strange, I even know his number but that would be "naming" and I wouldn't do that.

[dab69]

I tried to off a guy on the stage in the Boyztown bar and he refused me, I actually asked him again because I thought he could have misunderstood me, but he said no and ignored me. I found it very strange, I even know his number but that would be "naming" and I wouldn't do that.

really kills your mood- by my own experience.
not easy to see one you like and have them ignore you
and not even want to sit next to you and get a drink.
saw him one time the next year also.

[thaiguest]

I tried to off a guy on the stage in the Boyztown bar and he refused me, I actually asked him again because I thought he could have misunderstood me, but he said no and ignored me. I found it very strange, I even know his number but that would be "naming" and I wouldn't do that.
All these negative comments and critical remarks from some forum members about the boys of Pattaya in general and Sunnee in particular is a result of being pickled in paradise for too long.
White Desire's experience above is the NORM in Europe (and probably USA) if you're over 50, overweight, not of the right skin colour, hair colour...et al. Thrillbill's praise of Europe and America in this regard makes no sense to me.
Being ignored in Thailand by a young man seems STRANGE to WhiteDesire because it rarely happens. In no other country in the world will you see the most handsome young men walking hand in hand with, getting on to baht busses with, going into hotel elevators with, fat, ugly, bald, bloated, over-the-hill, only-their-mother-would-love-them farangs like me.
COP ON TO YOURSELVES.

I tried to off a guy on the stage in the Boyztown bar and he refused me, I actually asked him again because I thought he could have misunderstood me, but he said no and ignored me. I found it very strange, I even know his number but that would be "naming" and I wouldn't do that.

I wouldn't take his knock back personally, if in fact that is what you did. There is a strong possibility that he was either expecting a high roller that he was already aware that would be dropping by later in the evening to "off" him, or another long time benefactor of his was due in town either that night or the next day.

Although to my knowledge it rarely happens, I have heard of occasions when it has and I know for certain, that all bar boys have the right to decline a customer if they don't like him, or for any other reason for that matter, they may have. However, I think the reason for the boy picked by you declining your offer, is much more likely to be found in the reasons I stated above.

I wonder what others think in regard to this subject? It is one as far as I am aware, that is rarely, if ever brought up here and most certainly, one I have not seen WhiteDesire, before your post.


G.

I am not suggesting for a moment that this is the reason in the situation WhiteDesire mentions, but regular punters (ie. you've been there more than twice) acquire reputations among the boys who will use their right of refusal if the punter is known to them (through their friends) as stingy, dirty, smelly or any other characteristic to which they object (mostly stingy). For me of course when I'm carrying The White Man's Burden, as soon as I enter a bar the cry goes up "The arse-licker is back" whereupon at least half the boys run off the stage and hide, and the remainder advance nervously and bat their eyelids in the hope that they might get lucky tonight

[bing]

What is the matter with some of you guys? When I get to Thailand I feel like brewer-master who just fell into a vat of the best beer in the world, and the only way out is to drink the barrel dry. ( the brew master thought came to me as I sip on a Half and Half or as my relatives say an hafr an hafr) Late 60's though I be, usually the problem is to shake off the boys, ahmmm, young men who want to sit and chat an come home with me. One might think of the marketing post observation made by one of the sages on this august gathering. It works both ways, and is germane to the question as to how go-go guys relate to farangs. When I go into to a joint, lets take one of my favorites, for example, "Krazy Dragon", going in the door I know first of all I will have a good time and I know probably more than one young man will catch my eye as he goes by. A bit of eye contact and a perhaps a quiver of a smile us all it takes. As to being choosy about who meets the standards a farang arbitrarily sets up, merely speaks the to jaded existence some take for granted. If you are not having the time of your life, I have the solution for you. Go someplace else. Ah, now that seems a bit harsh, perhaps better to say, go wherever you want, just stay away from me, as I will be enjoying every moment in Pattaya and Jomtien. If you feel besmirched, by this posting, do by all means call for your crying vial and fill it to the brim. Nuf said.

[Marsilius]

What, may I ask, is a "crying vial"?

What, may I ask, is a "crying vial"?

Vial - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A vial (also phial) is a relatively small glass vessel or bottle, especially used
to store medication as liquids, powders or in other forms like capsules. ...

I guess with the above definition of a vial, a crying vial must be a damaged one of the above, that obviously leaks. http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u152/GeorgeThai/rolleyes.gif

Sorry Marsilius, that's about the best for now that I can do in regard to your question.



G.

[Brad the Impala]

What, may I ask, is a "crying vial"?

A small glass container to hold one's tears, so that they can recycled. Terribly environmentally aware. If we all did it, it would probably prevent another Tsunami.

And what's all the guff about asking boys to "move"!! They never moved at The Windmill, and still seemed very popular. Nude tableaux, now there's an idea for the Pattaya Show Bars.

If you want to know more please enjoy the film Mrs Henderson Presents

I am not suggesting for a moment that this is the reason in the situation WhiteDesire mentions, but regular punters (ie. you've been there more than twice) acquire reputations among the boys who will use their right of refusal if the punter is known to them (through their friends) as stingy, dirty, smelly or any other characteristic to which they object (mostly stingy). For me of course when I'm carrying The White Man's Burden, as soon as I enter a bar the cry goes up "The arse-licker is back" whereupon at least half the boys run off the stage and hide, and the remainder advance nervously and bat their eyelids in the hope that they might get lucky tonight

nice one -love it,im R O T F L

I have always found tipping the more energetic dancers gets those around them moving.
Same, same - I know that should not be necessary but it seems to work every time!

If you want to know more please enjoy the film Mrs Henderson PresentsLovely movie and with Judi Dench - what more could you want? Not an American in sight, too

[thaiworthy-old]

White Desire's experience surprised me. I don't think he's one of the fat, balding oldies among us, as I seem to remember a post in which he states he is relatively young. I could be wrong, my memory these days is not as good as it should be. However, George's explanation seems to be the most plausible one.

Personally, I would want these young men to "like" me. Not necessarily sexually, but I would like at least for them to find me interesting. I do my best to communicate, Thai/English, sign language, charades, whatever it takes for them to warm up to me. I think it is important for all first impressions to be positive, regardless if I pay them for their time or not. Best foot forward and all that. Depending on the bar, I employ a technique that always works and I become an instant celebrity in their eyes.

I do magic. They are bored anyway, the lighting is perfect, and they are a captive audience. The effects I do are highly visual, no patter, and very entertaining. If I can get them to believe that I am different than your average farang, then I have very little problems with their company afterward. It is fun for me besides, and it doesn't take much to please some Thai boys. When I see these guys the next night, they mimic the magical gestures performed from the night before, and I know things "clicked." They also want to see more. This may be more effort than some farang are willing to do, but everyone has a different behavior in go-go bars. After the short performance I have my drink, because magic and alcohol do not mix. For me, I want to be respected, admired or at least appreciated. And this method seems to work. FWIW, Thai boys are in fact, special, and if you treat anyone as you wish to be treated yourself, all will usually end well.

White Desire's experience surprised me. I don't think he's one of the fat, balding oldies among us, as I seem to remember a post in which he states he is relatively young. I could be wrong, my memory these days is not as good as it should be.

Well thaiworthy, if there is any failure as far as your memory is concerned in relation to you remembering White Desire as being relatively young, than there is a failure on the part of mine too. Unlike you, I remember more than just one post of his, in which he definitely states he is young, in fact if my memory serves me correct, someone that is still in his 20's.


FWIW, Thai boys are in fact, special, and if you treat anyone as you wish to be treated yourself, all will usually end well.

I honestly believe that what you say above, is in the large majority of cases, something I have also found to be totally accurate and true.


Choc Dee Thaiworthy,



George.

[fedssocr]

I also prefer guys who actually dance or who at least seem to be enjoying themselves, and that is true wherever I am in the world. However, if you put yourself in their shoes along with a general cultural shyness it is not hard to see why most Thai boys are the way they are onstage.

I also find that the guys who do dance tend to be a bit more fem. Not lady-boys, but not really manly-men either. They tend to be more cuddly and "interactive" as well.

I am not suggesting for a moment that this is the reason in the situation WhiteDesire mentions, but regular punters (ie. you've been there more than twice) acquire reputations among the boys who will use their right of refusal if the punter is known to them (through their friends) as stingy, dirty, smelly or any other characteristic to which they object (mostly stingy). For me of course when I'm carrying The White Man's Burden, as soon as I enter a bar the cry goes up "The arse-licker is back" whereupon at least half the boys run off the stage and hide, and the remainder advance nervously and bat their eyelids in the hope that they might get lucky tonight
nice one -love it,im R O T F LWhy aren't there more people who know how to laugh at themselves posting on this Board? Could we see something in this vein from George, for example, rather than the rude, ill-tempered, abusive posts in which he specialises?

[Brad the Impala]

Agreed that the ability to laugh at life, and ourselves, are healthy ingredients in life, and in a post.

Perhaps some of us have more to laugh at than others?!

Could we see something in this vein from George, for example, rather than the rude, ill-tempered, abusive posts in which he specialises?

Well Curious, now you have got me curios. I am curious as to what the real truth is as to what I have really done to piss you off and which is lying behind the crock of shit you have posted above.

So, you have never seen any posts of mine in which I laugh at myself hey? Well let me suggest something to you. Go out and buy yourself a safety net and when you get back home, place it behind and over your head, then switch your computer back on and read my posts again. http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u152/GeorgeThai/rolleyes.gif


G.

Could we see something in this vein from George, for example, rather than the rude, ill-tempered, abusive posts in which he specialises?

Well Curious, now you have got me curios. I am curious as to what the real truth is as to what I have really done to piss you off and which is lying behind the crock of shit you have posted above.

So, you have never seen any posts of mine in which I laugh at myself hey? Well let me suggest something to you. Go out and buy yourself a safety net and when you get back home, place it behind and over your head, then switch your computer back on and read my posts again. http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u152/GeorgeThai/rolleyes.gif


G.
I think that Curious may be missunderstanding your humour George,i think if he reads your posts again with this in mind he will catch on.

[Aunty]

Why aren't there more people who know how to laugh at themselves posting on this Board? Could we see something in this vein from George, for example, rather than the rude, ill-tempered, abusive posts in which he specialises?

BULLSHIT

So, you have never seen any posts of mine in which I laugh at myself hey? Well let me suggest something to you. Go out and buy yourself a safety net and when you get back home, place it behind and over your head, then switch your computer back on and read my posts again. http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u152/GeorgeThai/rolleyes.gifThe following is the only thing I could find, which isn't laughing at yourself at all, but if it's the best you can do then I pity you. "I guess with the above definition of a vial, a crying vial must be a damaged one of the above, that obviously leaks.". It also had that silly green emoticon so I guess that means it's something you think we should find amusing. However on reading some recent threads to which you have contributed, I notice many posters have commented on your obvious lack of self-humor, which you then deny.

However on reading some recent threads to which you have contributed, I notice many posters have commented on your obvious lack of self-humor, which you then deny.Don't waste your time, Curious dear boy. George got his sense of humour at Chatachuk Market where pretty much anything cheap and nasty can be acquired. I got my latest dose of the clap there ... some urchin gave me a head job for 200 baht

[thrillbill]

Oops, looks like we got off the subject again..

[thrillbill]

....interesting two or more forums have mentioned about the go-go boy clubs lacking "personality". The owners should really be creative and realize that it takes more than loud music and throwing a bunch of skinny rookies on stage. How do they make their money? Why is "Boyz Boyz so much better (the fun waiters, in shape and flirty fellows on stage, music...) in how its run than some of the others? ---Management

You know if you stand back a bit this board is really a riot. Sometimes I find it difficult to know what is tongue in cheek and what is not. Mai Pen Rai

There are numerous posters on this board including Homy and George and Aunty and many others, whose posts I either get, or don't get and often it's because I had to learn to understand their humour.

Thing is George would call you a fat lazy prick, and you don't see the smile on his face, or know, that he would buy you a beer and think nothing of it.

Mai Pen rai.