"Jep, jep, jep. No like. No like."

Thai not being my forte I never knew what it actually mean't; although I took it as stop, or something like that.

Jep, jep - well I never...

... or is it my poor choice in men?Since you don't claim to be King Size, that seems the obvious conclusion

[catawampuscat]

The topping dilemna is common and there are various ways to deal with it.
The bottoming dilemna is also common and if the lad cannot get it up, well then the customer gets screwed without
getting fucked. Erections are fickle and sometimes a customer is just too hideous or the lad is spent..

Be upfront and tell the boy and/or his mamasan, your tip will depend on his performing as a bottom or a top.
Some farangs tell the boy no fucking, no money and while it seems crude (it is, of course), if it
is part of the deal, then breaking the deal should not be rewarded.
Many lads have learned to promise anything in the bar and then do nothing in the room. Most of us are too nice
and afraid not to tip and the boys also get a piece of the drink and the off fee..

Word of mouth is magical and you can find out a lot from other farangs and from some mamasans, if you tip and buy
them a drink and are not an asshole.. Sometimes the fem boys won't and the butch straight ones will, so assuming is
dangerous. I am very playful and often ask the boys if they can fuck me in the ass. I can often tell a lot from how they
react to this question and my ideal choice of boy/guy is one who is versatile and can do everything.

Sometimes the lads won't bottom the first time, especially if they are very new to the game but will after they feel more
comfortable with you and understand you will be patient and not hurt them.

Rainwalker is known to carry a big umbrella but my guess is since he is a very nice guy, he doesn't push or remind the boys of
their agreement/promises and lets them off the hook.
I find it best to take it for granted and proceed and it works most of the time, if you are gentle and playful and patient.
I have had boys who won't kiss, smoke or fuck and when this happens, I show them the door with a minimal tip but fortunately this is rare as I
normally interview about abilities before taking the plunge or the Viagra/Kamagra.. 555 :cat:

[Lunchtime O'Booze]

and they say "no like-no like"

Not everyone is actually into whatever it is you want to do, invade or whatever your particular perversion is so I don't know why you find it peculiar if someone objects !. :drunken:

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[thaiworthy-old]

I have had boys who won't kiss, smoke or fuck and when this happens, I show them the door with a minimal tip but fortunately this is rare as I
normally interview about abilities before taking the plunge or the Viagra/Kamagra.. 555 :cat:

. . . but you need the boys to smoke something Cat? What funny stuff did you want them to smoke?! :kos:

[dave_tf-old]

Three words: Penis Reduction Surgery

I give this trail my

"least fragrant post of the year 2007 award"

Mr "Least fragrant Christmas card of the year 2007" was

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[Smiles]

" ... lots of the guys I've offed are loath to open their chocolate speedway to traffic moving upstream ... "
Just using this old fashioned 60's description would be enough to send me screaming from the room (assuming I was the one stuck in the middle of the track with my ass in the air).
With that hoary old turn of phrase, is it any wonder your digit(s) are doing no digging.

Cheers ...

[Nathan B]

There seems to be a real reluctance on the part of some Thai men to have someone invade that "very special" part of their body that they like to keep as sacrosanct as Fort Knox.

I used to find it difficult to find masculine Thai men who would bottom. I soon learned it's essential to discuss what you want directly with the guy (not the mamasan, who will generally say anything to get an off) and get his agreement before leaving the bar. It might be embarrassing the first couple of times you have to do this, but it will pay dividends. If a guy knows his off depends on agreeing to bottom he often will (sometimes with a plea not to tell his friends). If they decline, I know where I stand and decide whether I like them enough to off them anyway..sometimes, once they realise you're not a monster who wants to ravage them mercilessly, they will offer to bottom in the room having declined to do so in the bar. Very rarely a guy has agreed to bottom in the bar and then caused a whole lot of fuss about it in the room (the whole "jep, jep, you very big cock" thing). In this case I have no hesitation in ending things there and then, and sending him off with a small tip. The last guy that tried this on with me announced he was a virgin, yet he had an asshole the size of the Channel Tunnel.

Anyway, waiting till you're in your room and hoping you'll get want you want is not a successful strategy.

*The last guy that tried this on with me announced he was a virgin, yet he had an asshole the size of the Channel Tunnel. *

I just choked on my monkey nuts!

[Shuee]

if you like to 'log push/stir the fudge' then this can be bit of a gamble - yet sometimes reap very surprising results ummmmmmmmm

i keep on knocking, but i cant always get in!

Nathan B, I agree 100%--that approach usually solves the situation--it helps, as well, if you speak some Thai and I find by talking privately with the lad in the bar, and often not involving the mamasan at all will work. I will never forget a time many, many years ago, before I spoke any decent Thai, I was in a bar in pattaya and found one lad dancing quite attractive but wondered if he would bottom. So, I called over the mamasan, who spoke some English, and discretely described what I wanted and asked is "she" knew if this lad was "up to" such a thing? Before I could say or do anything more, the mamasan took a step back from our private, quiet conversation and yelled across the bar to the lad dancing on stage in such language and gestures that it was obvious what she was asking him, in front of all the bar and his fellow dancers, and he quite quickly and indignantly, rejected the proposal. So, unless you know the mamasan, be careful, or learn some Thai and talk privately with the lad and I am always very clear that there is no problem if he is not interested, and that I might still take him either way, as if I have a lad over to sit with me, it is because there is already a strong attraction, and great fun can be had with a handsome lad regardless of whether he will bottom or not.

However, not a real surprise that many of the more masculine lads may not want to bottom as most of them are straight and are hoping there just might be a bit jacoff/chockwow or a bit of smoking, as little as they can get away with, and squirt, squirt and then take the money and run.

[jimnbkk]

[quote="Rainwalker99"]Dear Smiles,

Please substitute any of the following phrases for the hoary old euphemism "chocolate speedway".

Butthole
Rose hole.......... and so on

Or, you could add a 'nautical bit' to it and say u prefer 'the Windward Passage'.