Myanmar Junta: More than 200 monks killed, many imprisoned

During night military and police special squad “Lome Ten” is rolling out, kill known oppositionist al over Myanmar. More then 200 monks of a popular temple at Weiza Yandar street lost there live already; police banged the monks head to walls until.

The murder actions are continuing.

The massive temple below of famous Shwedagon Pagoda is empty; all the monks have disappeared. There just red and saffron robes are still hanging out in the wind. Several thousands monks and novices who gave this famous place its unique and peaceful impression are gone.

There are at least three concentrations camps in Rangoon now, where many people are heald imprison under unbearable conditions. One camp is located on the old British horse racing grounds between street 50 and 51; another is located close to Mingala intl. airport, but the most brutal is based on Rangoon Institute of technology.

In north-western part of Rangoon next to the notorious and overcrowded Insein prison the army set up more then 300 additional cells of 3 x 3 m size where about 800 monks are locked away under unbearable hygienic conditions

Nobody but police and army is allowed on the street after 22 h.

Myanmar will never be the same.

[Brad the Impala]

And this information is based on your personal knowledge, or is taken from a publication that should be acknowledged?

And this information is based on your personal knowledge, or is taken from a publication that should be acknowledged?

No, I didn’t take part in imprisoning of the monks, and I didn’t murder any the monks either.

Ailing Burmese Prime Minister dies
Burma's ailing Prime Minister Lt Gen Soe Win has died at the military hospital in Mingalardon, Rangoon on Tuesday, sources said.

Soe Win, who returned to Burma on Monday from a secret medical treatment in Singapore, died at about 5:00 p.m (local time), Mizzima News online quoted sources as saying.

The Burmese Prime Minister is known to have been suffering from Leukemia and had secretly received medical treatment in Singapore.

Soe Win, who is a Senior General Than Shwe loyalist, is also known as "the Butcher of Depayin" for orchestrating the Depayin massacre in 2003 by ordering mobs to attack on pro-democracy leader Daw Aung San Suu Kyi's motorcade.

Sources said Soe Win will be replaced by Lt-Gen Thein Sein and Tin Aung Myint Oo will be promoted to Thein Sein's position as Secretary-I.

From: The Nation, today

[Smiles]

And this information is based on your personal knowledge, or is taken from a publication that should be acknowledged?
No, I didnтАЩt take part in imprisoning of the monks, and I didnтАЩt murder any the monks either.
Ttom, Brad asked a legit question regarding some very specific statements of 'fact' by you. He asked for the source of your information.
You have a reputation on this Board for pasting in source material with your posts, why get bent out of shape when someone asks for the same in this instance?

I don't doubt your statements (god knows those assholes who rule Burma are capable of atrocities), but there is wild stuff coming out of Burma these days, and the best idea is ~ at this point ~ to show links to the source(s) of one's statement.

Cheers ...

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there are news reports all over the Net with these stories. I have read a lot of them. Is the nature of this board that we are required to footnote each post with our sources for information? Does anyone doubt that this is true?

Maybe it's time for a surgical strike on Naypyidaw.

Singapore has been fairly outspoken about what is going on. So why were they harboring one of these criminals?

there are news reports all over the Net with these stories. I have read a lot of them. Is the nature of this board that we are required to footnote each post with our sources for information? Does anyone doubt that this is true?


As far as I am aware, it is the nature of this board to quote the source of any information. It's not a case of no one believing it is true, apart from being the courteous thing to do, it also prevents a breach of copyright. Such an act, could get the board into trouble. It's not really asking a lot for members to do this, is it? What do you think? http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u152/GeorgeThai/shrugs.gif


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The gates were open at Rangoon's glittering Shwedagon temple yesterday but soldiers, not monks, wandered its marble-floored shrines and pavilions.

Five days after Burma's military leaders began a crackdown on protesting monks and their civilian supporters, the red-robed Buddhist clergy, normally seen in their thousands around the city, have vanished. And the UN's special envoy sent to confront the military junta was stalled for yet another day.

"The monks are gone. We are worried about them. We don't know where they are," said a young guide at the temple. Usually hundreds of monks would be milling around the golden, bell-shaped, stupa – praying, chatting quietly in groups or explaining the significance of gem-encrusted statues or shrines to visitors.

Soldiers with rifles have taken their place, their bare feet the only mark of respect to Burma's most sacred Buddhist site. There are few visitors, and stall-holders selling paper flowers and incense sticks for offerings have little trade.

"It is strange now," said the guide, out of the earshot of soldiers. "We don't think the army should be at the temple. We think the monks have been taken away. We think they are in jail."

A senior monk told The Independent at the weekend he believed 3,000 monks had been detained by Burmese security forces, and were being held in police and military camps.

Burma's Buddhist clergy spearheaded 10 days of street demonstrations against the country's military rulers, until the army cleared the streets with tear gas, baton charges and gunfire, killing at least nine people. By night, under cover of a curfew, soldiers have raided monasteries, intimidating, beating and arresting monks.

Rangoon residents say civilian vigilante groups, armed only with rocks and sticks, have tried to protect the revered clergy by blocking the gates of monasteries and confronting troops.

Collecting alms, mostly gifts of food, each day from devotees, Burma's monkhood is privy to the population's increasing economic hardship. Corrupt generals have ruined a country rich in natural resources and many families survive on one meal a day.

Meanwhile, the UN announced last night that its envoy to Burma, Ibrabim Gambari, has now been told he can meet Myanmar's senior general today, as he tries to persuade the junta to end the vicious crackdown.

Gambari flew to Myanmar's new jungle capital on Monday, waiting to convey international concern to the junta leader Than Shwe. Gambari has been informed "he will be able to meet the senior general, Than Shwe, on Tuesday," the U.N. associate spokesman Farhan Haq said in New York.Previously, it appeared the meeting would not take place as junta leaders ignored Mr Gambari's approaches.

Military authorities have continued to block internet and mobile phone texts, the channels which demonstrators had used to organise themselves and to send images of last week's violent crackdown around the world. Up to a dozen independent newspapers are reported to have stopped publishing.

Souce: The Independent, Oct 02, 2007

While telephone and internet connections with Burma remained difficult Wednesday, a former army major who fled to neighbouring Thailand said he defected since he did not want to shoot at civilians and monks.

Swedish radio news and Oslo daily Aftenposten published the interview with Major Win and his son who arrived in Bangkok Tuesday after five days on the run from Burma.

"If he had refused to obey orders, he would have been killed," the major's 17-year-old son said.

Father and son said they hoped to seek asylum in Norway or Sweden.

Win said he had heard rumours of some 200 killed during the protests, but had not witnessed any killings and could not confirm the numbers.

The Oslo-based opposition radio station Democratic Voice of Burma on Tuesday said it had received accounts suggesting some 200 people were killed but underlined that the figures were difficult to check.

Official Burmese tallies suggest some 10 people were killed.

Earlier, the Oslo-based station's news editor Moe Aye told Deutsche Presse-Agentur dpa that telephone connections with Burma were difficult.

Some telephone numbers in the former capital Rangoon were out of order while it was not possible to get through to other cities, he said, adding that the internet connection was irregular.

Another development was that the army was trying to force people to give food and money.

"They raid markets for pork and chickens," he said, adding that shopowners were afraid to open their shops.

Raids included a market in Hlaingthayar on the outskirts of Rangoon.

Source: dpa, Oct 02, 2007

An international aid worker who witnessed the bloody crackdown on weekend pro-democracy
demonstrations in Myanmar told CNN she saw bodies lying in the street in front of a pagoda dedicated to world peace, possibly as a warning from the government's security forces.

"There was a body lying on the road, there was another body slumped over the back of the truck," said the woman, who did not want to be identified for security reasons.

"There were crowds gathered approximately 400 meters away but they were not coming closer to help out. And it just looked like (the bodies) had been left there for people to witness, for people to see what they were capable of."

She said the bodies were near Yangon's Kaba Aye pagoda, a gold-domed Buddhist shrine. Kaba Aye means world peace in Burmese.

Saturday's demonstration was a complete turnaround from demonstrations in previous days which were largely peaceful, she said.

She said "there were no military around" during protests she witnessed on Sept. 24.

Either way, the aid worker said the demonstrations are a cry for help by the Burmese, who she said "are not people who speak out."

"I think people need to appreciate the level of anger that the Burmese people would get to to even demonstrate," she said. "For a demonstration of the size of which went on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, it's quite remarkable.

"And then for the sort of cat-and-mouse skirmishes that went on Friday, Saturday, and Sunday -- these are people who just don't speak and they are speaking now."

She said the people she has spoken to are hoping the demonstrations spark international action, not just talk.

"They want to see force, they want to see people coming into their country to help them, peacekeepers," she said. "They're expecting the (United Nations), they're expecting action.

"They say this is their second time around and they need help this time," she said, referring to the bloody demonstrations in 1988 during which the army opened fire into masses of protesters, killing more than 3,000.

Source: CNN, Oct 03 2007 (or 1 hours and 40 min ago)

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A dead body of a Buddhist Monk in river near Rangoon.

This photo is from the website of the Democratic Voice of Burma based in Norway. I am sure that they would sanction it's reproduction to help their fight against appalling injustice

www.dvb.no (http://www.dvb.no)

The website has many photos.

I am sad that a moderator has moved this trail to the unloved global forum. Not an enlightened move in my opinion. The dramatic events in Thailand's neighbour certainly effect this country.

Violence in Burma to affect Thai business - Bangkok Post

Violence in Burma caused by the military government's crackdown on mass street protests by monks and the people, if persistent, will have an impact on businesses owned by many groups of Thai investors in the country, according to the Kasikorn Research Centre.

The leading think tank reported should the unrest drag on, and escalate, it would affect Thai businesses investing in tourism in Burma since foreign tourists would reduce their travel into the country.

At the same time, Thai businesses investing in production for export in Burma might be affected by additional international sanctions.

At present, Thai businesspersons have invested in various areas including production, hotels and tourism, fishery, mining, transportation, oil and natural gas drilling, construction, property, and agriculture.

The KRC forecast indicated that should the violence persist, Burma would face more economic sanctions from the international community, particularly the United States, the European Union and Japan.

It said investment made by Thai investors in hotel and tourism businesses in Burma totaled US$228.6 million. Investment projects Thai businesspersons made in the production industry in Burma are worth $614.6 million, the fisheries industry $171 million and agriculture the smallest at $2.7 million.

Power generating projects invested by Thailand in Burma worth $6.03 billion baht involve construction of hydro-power dams along the Salween River, which is expected to take six years to complete.

The project value, combined with that of other investment projects, brought up the total investment value Thailand has in Burma to $7.38 billion.

It resulted in Thailand becoming the biggest investor in Myanmar with Singapore, Malaysia, and Indonesia coming second, third and fourth respectively.

Regarding the border trade with Burma, KRC believed trade activities along the border of the two countries would be sluggish only in the short run unless the violence escalated to such an extent that the border is closed.

Bangkok Post

there are news reports all over the Net with these stories. I have read a lot of them. Is the nature of this board that we are required to footnote each post with our sources for information? Does anyone doubt that this is true?.....


It is especially important at times like these to document your sources. The Junta, in its defense, will accuse everyone of lying and making things up to make them look bad.

And if you want to see change in Burma don't bother with bombing. Just tell the Chinese you'll boycott their fu#*ing Olympics if they don't cut these bastards off.

epsy posted on Gay ting tong:

A sign can help, please help too. More then 500.000 peoples in the world have sign, help to get 1.000.000 peoples!

http://www.avaaz.org/en/stand_with_burm ... _tf_sign=1 (http://www.avaaz.org/en/stand_with_burma/tf.php?cl_tf_sign=1)

Look what they do with the people:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NmL9tDmEhM

What happen in the last 48 hours in Burma:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/wor ... 32,00.html (http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,509232,00.html)