Pattaya:Yensabi Nasty Robbery, culprits from Sunee

[zinzone]

http://www.pattayacitynews.net/news_27_08_50_3.htm

he met the victim in Soi Sunee Plaza in South PattayaA threesome at age 79! It makes you proud to be British

[travelerjim]

http://www.pattayacitynews.net/news_27_08_50_3.htm

Same posting as Geezer's of yesterday...

http://www.sawatdee-gay-thailand.com/fo ... 12593.html (http://www.sawatdee-gay-thailand.com/forum/another-cautionary-tale-t12593.html)

Sad indeed!

TJ

What's sad is this 79 year old geezer picking up two boys young enough to be his GREAT grandchildren. Sometimes I think Viagra causes more trouble than it fixes. Without ED drugs.. this guy would be home watching Matlock like he should LOL. On a serious note, what kind of fool picks up two street boys and brings them back to your condo? especially when you are old and feeble.

[jolyjacktar]

Ill tell you who Jacknasty!! Old pererts from europe and Usa and Aus. Thats who. As stated 79 yo with kids young enough to be his great grandkids SICKO SICKO SICKO SICKO, LOCK THEM ALL UP FOR THE KIDS SAFETY

I do believe that the boy in the pic in handcuffs is going to get plenty of customers where he's going.

[Lunchtime O'Booze]

maybe they were simply having an intellectual discussion about politics ?

maybe they were practicing Girl Guide knots ??

( mind you the alleged offender looks quite pretty)

Hon, there is so much trash living in Yensabai Condos.

Furthermore, I disagree that he will drum up trade if sent inside - the boy is ugly, and I HATE colored hair on Thai guys, especially BLONDE. Ewwwwwwww

But that boy is beautiful.

He has a peaceful and relaxed beauty that artists would paint and poets would write sonnets about.

ajarntrade

What's sad is this 79 year old geezer picking up two boys young enough to be his GREAT grandchildren.So what is the acceptable age spread for you? Is it OK, for example, for Rupert Murdoch to have married a Chinese woman young enough to be his grand-daughter and have children by her? I'm guessing that a significant number of guys here are screwing Thais young enough to be their sons if not grandsons. Do you disapprove of us too?

One thing I never learnt was always hide your mobile Phone
A solution to this for regular visitors/tourists is to purchase a real cheapo phone (I use a Nokia 1100) with just basic calling and sms facilities for use with a Thai SIM card. If it then gets stolen it's no great loss. Which Thai boy is going to steal something which he wouldn't be seen dead with and for which there is going to be absolutely no market for sale?

OK it might destroy your image with the boys to have just a basic phone but, what the hell, most of them only consider you as a mobile ATM machine anyway and image therefore doesn't matter!

It's incidentally more convenient to have all the numbers saved on the Thai SIM with the correct internal and international dial codes already programmed for use from Thailand.

[dab69]

Big C has a supercenter in South Pattaya?

http://www.pattayadailynews.com/shownew ... 0000003711 (http://www.pattayadailynews.com/shownews.php?IDNEWS=0000003711)
English guy no take the 2 thai boy in Sunee plaza street but find them on Gayromeo by internet, then not so easy to check ID.
And only the thai who have been arrested say the other one is 16 yo, but dont know him ans dont know where him live !!!
This thai was working before in clubbing club restaurant, and have BF who put him away because farang find new much better, it's not an excuse but maybe we can think of all this guy that most of farang only use like sex toy .
Easy to say we are just ATM, but why we take them ? Who care of what real life they have ?
Still not an excuse but sometimes we can only think behind sexual experience and sexual relation, there are also some human, and on their side so young body that mean so young mind

The boys story sounds very fishy. Sounds like they are preparing their defense: bad farang no pay. Not surprising they met online. Be careful before accusing him of being a pedo. These boys can say any age so unless you know that he was told underage and he wanted underage, it is totally unfair to paint him that way. He is a crime victim. He made alot of mistakes, but similar could happen to any of us who ever play around in Pattaya.

One thing is obvious. Two at once. Just don't do it ever unless they you know the guys really well. And dare I say it, is there some kind of legal weapon we should all be arming ourselves with? Is pepper spray available here?

And btw, generally I am a liberal, but cry me a river about these bad boys. They are violent criminals. They could have easily murdered this guy. Happy they are off the streets!

I agree with Sexyfrenchguy. I'm fed-up with some of the self-righteousness that appears on this board whenever a crime is committed against a farang. Many visitors have little idea of how the poor live. And no, this doesn't excuse anything; it just means that the rich and the powerful (that is, those of us who can choose to travel to Thailand) should consider the crimes committed against the poor across the world by the governments for whom we voted before calling for the hangman.

Agreed; I'm fed-up with some of the self-righteousness that appears on this board whenever a crime is committed against a farang. Many visitors have little idea of how the poor live. And no, this doesn't excuse anything; it just means that the rich and the powerful (that is, those of us who can choose to travel to Thailand) should consider the crimes committed against the poor across the world by the governments for whom we voted before calling for the hangman.
That is bloody ridiculous.
I would feel exactly the same way if the victim was Thai.
And rich and poor? Give me a break Yensabai is a pit, this isn't a rich farang, not that it matters.
Sometimes I ashamed to be a liberal when I hear this kind of bleeding heart sympathy for evil.

As I said, self-righteous falangs who have no idea of the lives of the poor. And, by the way, neither Sexyfrenchguy nor I excused anything. But then, why let facts spoil an argument? Raksiam should refer back to the thread on capital punishment to see better examples than his.

... shame on you.

Let's put logic aside for just a moment.... Do you have any feelings about this issue?

Is pepper spray available here?

No ! Use Viagra . :bigsmurf:

Once again I no want to find any excuse about what this Thai guy did !
Reading this news I just ask myself some questions in the 2 side :
- why always think about pedo and think OH the boys was 16 yo bad Farang...
- Why always think : we are just ATM, this boy only like our money but we love them so much, we care them so much
- what is best to be a sex toy or an ATM (who is the poorest : the guy of 80 who loose some money or the boy of 19 who sell his body)
AND YES is a real bad crime, a real murder or whatever you want, and to think him go Big c to do shoping when the poor guy was dying in his hotel is horrible. I just would like to understand how a boy of 19 yo (who was not sex worker so long ago) can do something like that just to pay his condo and something to eat, just to survive. I was thinking things like that only happen in bad place from brazil or Colombia, not in Thailand.
And i no want to give any excuse but this boy just kill to life the english guy and his own life. And sometimes in our way of doing, we must think who are this boy so smiling, so cute, so sexy, who are so happy to have sex with so old and uggly farang we are, and why they have do that.

They don't have to do that.
They are a tiny minority of Thai youth.
They choose to do that. Given their alternatives, and their personal background and temperament, it seems like its worth doing. Some are good at it or well suited to the profession, some are not.
We don't have to be buyers either. Again, our choice. But it does seem that it is more dangerous now.

... grown against stupidity yet ...

Don't you think the "blonde" Thai guy looks to be mixed race? Especially in the pics on the Pattaya daily News article where his eyes are covered by a black band. In those pics he could pass for a caucasian teenager.

Big C has a supercenter in South Pattaya?Yes. At the corner of Sukhumvit and Pattaya Tai.

Is pepper spray available here?
Yes, I've seen it in several stores. I bought mine (as protection against somewhat cranky soi dogs) at the pharmacy counter in Foodland.

Food for thought: For someone old and/or feeble attempting to defend themselves with a weapon, take into account that the criminal could perhaps easily disarm such a person and use the weapon against them. I'm not saying, "Don't try to defend yourself," just be realistic about possible outcomes.

And, using pepper spray indoors where there is a ceiling fan or air con blowing can have unexpected rewards to everyone in the room.

I have stayed in Yensabi Condo for a total of at least 9+ months over the last 2 years and I am very familiar with the place.
I have taken guys back there and the "Security" is appalling.
On each and every occassion I have had to insist that the desk take their IDs and book them in. They are just not interested.
I have also seen numerous young guys just walk in and go to a room alone.
I have had visitors see me and when we leave I often find they have not booked in with Security.
It says a lot that the Police luckily found the lads in the Big C, with the Farangs cards, rather than tracing them thro Yensabi "Security".
Because of this I am now thinking of staying somewhere else on my next 3 month visit.
I disagree that its a shithole, actually its reasonably OK, but you have to have your wits about you living there. I have had one break in and one attempted breakin....
I am not sure who owns the place or runs the Security but whoever they are, they need a makeover.
G

The Internet is being used more and more by guys wanting to hitch up. The reasons are two fold:

1. ItтАЩs quick, easy and cheap; with a wide variety of matchmaking sites and guys available; itтАЩs similar to on-line shopping from a go-go bar.

2. The go-go bars are becoming so expensive that it is prohibitively expensive to go out regularly and off a guy. In BangkokтАЩs Soi Twilight the average price is 200 per drink plus 200 per boyтАЩs drink, plus off fees of 400, plus a minimum 1500 short time tip.

Compare those costs to an all-in rate of 1200 usually agreed to by the on-line, short time boys and it is evident that this type of crime will be seen more often in the future AND we will see go-go bars going out of business, for lack of business, in the years to come.

It is all very well telling people to be wary but when the cost differentials are so marked then, regardless of the risk, many, many people will opt for the half price on-line bonking тАж sorry booking.

.....He has a peaceful and relaxed beauty that artists would paint and poets would write sonnets about.


And they might end up with a knife in their ribs for their trouble!

Handsome is as Handsome does.....

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[Geezer]

You can print envelopes in Thai on the computer with instructions they be returned only to your hand. When you reach security with a boy insert his ID into one ,and if you knew beforehand he was coming, his photo as well. (You surely have all your boyтАШs photos on your computer?) How many times have you been given another boyтАЩs ID? (They all look alike.) If security has the wrong ID the lad has a great alibi, and he knows it!

Have the lad read the envelope, then you give it to security. When the tryst is finished accompany him to retrieve the ID; heтАЩs happy keep the photo. When security returns the ID to you, you can give him a small tip.

... were you perhaps a bureaucrat?

Let's put logic aside for just a moment.... Do you have any feelings about this issue?Yes. I feel sorry the poor guy didn't get his 3sum

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I know from various places that a photocopy of “visitors” ID card is to be taken for records. Ensuring security is what you are paying for. Obviously those copies will not be taken just in front of you but more discrete... Pictures of current “visitors” are to be cut out and pinned under receptionist’s desks and therefore anyone working at the reception is informed. ..

Some ultra clever people, especially foreigners, do not like any control. This is just stupid.

Some do have any reason for hiding there “guests” for certain reasons. If so, probably bad boys are meeting bad boys. No further comments needed ....

[Geezer]

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Sounds complicated. Wouldn't it just be easier to suggest that people not troll for juvenile delinquent street walkers?[/quote]


Much easier, but then that wouldnтАЩt help those who are killed by boys from bars. Of course in the latest case the boys were apprehended, but apprehension isnтАЩt the point. Prevention is the point. A boy is less likely to misbehave if he knows beforehand that his ID and photo are on file.

It may be too much bother for a short term visitor, but worthwhile for a permanent resident.

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I have received information that the victim in this incident was a regular poster on this forum,but i am yet to verify his posting name so i am unable to divulge that info until then.

Does anyone else personally know the victim or had any conversation with him?

Did he mix with expats etc? Someone from this forum knew him as he posted on here ,in what i have been told,on a regular basis.

I doubt whether he will survive this attack.

How long has he been staying here from England?
Anyone have anymore info?

I will say this,i did personally see the victim numerous times whilst being here in the Sunee Area,he did say hello to me once when he walked past ,he was frail and only last Sunday i saw him,this was about 8 hours before his alleged attack where i thought to myself that this guy is on his last legs because of his fraility.

It is sad to see a poster from this board becoming a victim and if anyone knew him or spoke to him please let us know .
We obviously know his real name via the media,but anyone can confirm his posting name?

Eine was f├╝r Trag├╢die, ihre vollst├дndigen Leben vor ihnen und das Opfer im Sonnenuntergang des Lebens. L├д├Яt Hoffnung, die er durch zieht

Never Never argue over a few baht, that can be replaced. You may win the argument in the room but then you'll have to keep looking over your shoulder as the boys do not forget a few baht as we do.

[Aunty]

Well I think it's very sad. And before people here jump to all sorts of silly and totally unfounded conclusions about what did and didn't happen, I think any 79 year old is particularly vulnerable in a place like Pattaya. And we don't even know, as many of his age do, what sort of medical conditions this man had that may effect his judgement, and that render him an easy con to those with evil intent!

There is something in the forensic psychiatric literature that I'm aware of that examines and reports on the murder of the elderly by teenagers. I can't remember all the details, but typically these attacks are characterised by extreme violence, out of all proportion to the danger the perpetrator faces. And the literature goes into the psychological makeup and characteristics of these teenage killers in an attempt to try and understand and profile them. But certainly the elderly are very vulnerable and need to be careful, and others need to keep an eye out for them as well. So letтАЩs stop blaming the victim until we know what actually went on, eh?

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the boys do not forget a few baht as we do.Obviously you are not a devotee of threads like "where's the best exchange rate in town" where punters in this Forum race hither and yon trying for mere satang differences. White Desire, who as we all know is one of the leading FX traders in the City, has a new thread monthly on this very topic

Good on the horny old Honey I say. It is just a shame what happened. So what if he is 79 and with a young one?
I have received information that the victim in this incident was a regular poster on this forum I cant wait for the juicy details!!!!!!

[dab69]

OK, then. Wouldn't it be easier to advise people not to come to mess around with boy prostitutes in Thailand? Or is that something critical to one's existence?

what mentality woudld think anyone would listen to advice from a stranger on a message board?

[dab69]

OK, then. Wouldn't it be easier to advise people not to come to mess around with boy prostitutes in Thailand? Or is that something critical to one's existence?

what mentality woudld think anyone would listen to advice from a stranger on a message board?

Or is giving advice critical to one's existence?

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[dab69]

Who knows? Half the posts here are from people asking for advice.

not as much a question as to mentality
but some peoples perception of reality then...

[Geezer]

..

I have received information that the victim in this incident was a regular poster on this forum,but i am yet to verify his posting name so i am unable to divulge that info until then.

Does anyone else personally know the victim or had any conversation with him?

Did he mix with expats etc? Someone from this forum knew him as he posted on here ,in what i have been told,on a regular basis.

I doubt whether he will survive this attack.

How long has he been staying here from England?
Anyone have anymore info?

I will say this,i did personally see the victim numerous times whilst being here in the Sunee Area,he did say hello to me once when he walked past ,he was frail and only last Sunday i saw him,this was about 8 hours before his alleged attack where i thought to myself that this guy is on his last legs because of his fraility.

It is sad to see a poster from this board becoming a victim and if anyone knew him or spoke to him please let us know .
We obviously know his real name via the media,but anyone can confirm his posting name?

Eine was f├╝r Trag├╢die, ihre vollst├дndigen Leben vor ihnen und das Opfer im Sonnenuntergang des Lebens. L├д├Яt Hoffnung, die er durch zieht

Er was im Pattaya an alter siebzig neun: die 2 Thaise junge Gesellschaft war schon in den ┬╗monde blanc┬л und hatte die Miene gemacht, sich in einem ┬╗monde noir┬л zu vereinigen. :clown:

[Lunchtime O'Booze]

jump at every opportunity you can and bugger the age police !

besides..he looks like a very distinguished gent.

as my Aussie friend used to say.."your a long time in Rookwood "..Rockwood apparently being a very large cemetary in Sydney ( where that friend now is)

[Aunty]

The mentioned male who was assaulted was seen walking around Sunee Plaza last night,bandaged up.
Has a high class British accent..............

Was he wearing white shoes?

The mentioned male who was assaulted was seen walking around Sunee Plaza last night,bandaged up.
Has a high class British accent,looked a bit disorientated,however he kept to himself,not stopping at any particular bar.

Out, and so soon on the prowl? Aunty was right, the poor man must be delirious.

Ill tell you who Jacknasty!! Old pererts from europe and Usa and Aus. Thats who. As stated 79 yo with kids young enough to be his great grandkids SICKO SICKO SICKO SICKO, LOCK THEM ALL UP FOR THE KIDS SAFETY

The boys were certainly no "kids". The farang is certainly not an "old perert" (pervert?). YOU are the real SICKO here! Get a life!