Altered mind!

I have made a major decision!
For my 15th visit to Thailand I will NOT stay in Pattaya. :bom:
I will once again visit the peaceful, charming Chiang Mai.
I will stay at a leading gay guesthouse there and enjoy my R & R.
I will not have to put up with seedy old Farangs who think they know it all, I will not have to put up with geriatric, bitchy, old Farang expats. :cat:
Maybe I won't have to witness Police raids on well known soi's?
I will take my hard earned $$$$ to the north, I had a notion to stay in Pattaya again a few weeks ago, that has waned. I think the charm and innocent boys of Chiang Mai (yes...yes....I know, they want the cash too!) have won over.
Perhaps two nights in Bangkok on the way back, just to catch up with old friends.
I hear many areas are hurting for the tourist dollar around Thailand, it is the off season, but I think many gay guys, such as myself really don't want to be subjected to the rigours of Pattaya, I think the boys may be way too over the top collecting earnings, and from what I have read here and 'ting-tong' and other sites I think there may be not enough to go around. :bounce:
I invite your comments, even from the old slappers....lol :blackeye:

[globalwanderer]

From what i've read and heard, Chiang mai is to be avoided if you expect boys... 'innocent' or not

[Lunchtime O'Booze]

"I will not have to put up with seedy old Farangs who think they know it all, I will not have to put up with geriatric, bitchy, old Farang expats"..

that's no way to speak about the likes of John Botting, Kqill or Oogleman !

Frankly a long weekend is enough for me in Chang Mai. What is there to do during the day ?

.... that is all people spend in Chiang Mai, is a weekend of certainly a couple of days. Mind you, there is another way of lookin at it, it can be quite fun if you're the only falang in Chiang Mai!!

a weekend of certainly a couple of daysThat sounds like a pretty standard weekend to me

"I will not have to put up with seedy old Farangs who think they know it all, I will not have to put up with geriatric, bitchy, old Farang expats"..

that's no way to speak about the likes of John Botting, Kqill or Oogleman !

Frankly a long weekend is enough for me in Chang Mai. What is there to do during the day ?


I wasn't refering to J.B./Kqill or Oog.......but you name did spring to mind as I was writing, ya messy old slapper!

Iwas last in C.M. in April, very hot and so were the lads!

From what i've read and heard, Chiang mai is to be avoided if you expect boys... 'innocent' or not

If you're such a "global wanderer" why would you rely on "from what I've read and heard" Get off yer fat ass and give us some accurate feedback!
("from what I've read and heard....lol!)

[globalwanderer]

From what i've read and heard, Chiang mai is to be avoided if you expect boys... 'innocent' or not

If you're such a "global wanderer" why would you rely on "from what I've read and heard" Get off yer fat ass and give us some accurate feedback!
("from what I've read and heard....lol!)

Hey why go wander somewhere which everyone says is bereft of boys.... I'll continue wandering the boys of Pattaya for the moment

From what i've read and heard, Chiang mai is to be avoided if you expect boys... 'innocent' or not

If you're such a "global wanderer" why would you rely on "from what I've read and heard" Get off yer fat ass and give us some accurate feedback!
("from what I've read and heard....lol!)

Hey why go wander somewhere which everyone says is bereft of boys.... I'll continue wandering the boys of Pattaya for the moment

As they say "up to you,sir!" but I don't understand where you get the 'bereft of boys' thing from? When I was there in April there were plenty. Not your served up on a platter type as you get in Pattaya. I guess I like the hunt more than some.

I don't give a fig where you go, or don't go, but thanks for sharing.

I don't give a fig where you go, or don't go, but thanks for sharing.

Thank's for your well wishing Rak. I promise I will be sure to check my bar chits in Chiang Mai.

By the way, they have some really great second hand book stores there, I bought some books last time, they were less than half the new retail price too....couldn't believe it. :cat:

[Lunchtime O'Booze]

how dare you refer to Mrs O'Booze like that..only I am allowed to call her that.

If I was a gentleman I'd invite you outside for a good thrashing..you should thank your lucky stars I'm not.

I don't give a fig where you go, or don't go, but thanks for sharing.

Thank's for your well wishing Rak. I promise I will be sure to check my bar chits in Chiang Mai.

By the way, they have some really great second hand book stores there, I bought some books last time, they were less than half the new retail price too....couldn't believe it. :cat:
It must be quite a burden to have such a mind for minutia. Drink more, it might help.

I have made a major decision!

Maybe I won't have to witness Police raids on well known soi's?

I invite your comments,

Chiang Mai is a lovely holiday destiantion.

Don’t believe that no police raid would take place in Chiang Mai. They do it there too, and it's not as smooth as in Pattaya. All over Thailand and some more countries this is nothing unusual.

As long as the policing are fair and necessary in order to ensure a certain amount of safety, it’s fine. That is what the police is getting paid for.

[Smiles]

. . . . I'd say go for it and have a great time in Chiang Mai. Sanuk can be had anywhere in Thailand if you give it half a chance, and can think a bit further afield than the night-after-night GoGo bar merry-go-round.
I'm one of the 'Anywhere-But-Pattaya' crowd mostly, though do get there for 2 to 4 days at a stretch to visit friends . . . and find that plenty.

Cheers ...

I fully agree with you, except that it is not only Pattaya;if we confine ourselves to the Go-go Bars as the only place to find gay partners or companions. May be 10 years ago bars served the purpose. Now it is all commercialized both by the Falangs running it(trap)and the boys working at these Bars. If you are looking for real gay relationship and/or experience, there are thousands of gays all over the place in Thailand whether it be BKK, Pattaya, Pukket, Cheng Mai or Cheng Rai. My advise to you would be to find the middle class gay guys in places where they go.They don't come to the gay bar areas. Do more research on the net and find forums where pure Thai gay guys chat, make friends and I am sure you will meet the educated, traveled, middle class guys. Do you want intellectual interaction, this is the way to go. I changed my strategy couple of trips ago it works well and gives entirely different dimension to my trips thereafter. Good luck

I have never been there but it's on my list.

Are there shows like in BKK or Payatta???
Anything like Wild West Boys or ???

Boys with numbers on their shorts ???

Massage places that are For Men Only by Men Only........

Are Off Fees and tips similar to Payatta???

Would appreciate any info as I would like to make it there for at least a few days this winter.
Oh, one more, is the weather OK in November/December or considerably cooler than in Payatta.
Any of the friendly hotels have swimming pools???
Is the best way to fly direct to Chaing Mia from BKK?

Thanks for any info.....

I don't give a fig where you go, or don't go, but thanks for sharing.

Thank's for your well wishing Rak. I promise I will be sure to check my bar chits in Chiang Mai.

By the way, they have some really great second hand book stores there, I bought some books last time, they were less than half the new retail price too....couldn't believe it. :cat:
It must be quite a burden to have such a mind for minutia. Drink more, it might help.

LOL....I'll take that as a compliment from such an expert in tawdry 'minutia!'
I am, however; happy with my current liquid consumption and feel the need to increase it would be ill advised by people who have NO idea about the person they addressing.
It would be similar to me saying go and bite your arse, but I've never seen your teeth or your arse, so that would be ill advised nonsense too.
Enjoy yourself and take very good care of that fragile disposition, if you can't take good humoured ribbing forget about posting on boards such as this! Grow some thicker skin and get back to me when your balls finally drop!

how dare you refer to Mrs O'Booze like that..only I am allowed to call her that.

If I was a gentleman I'd invite you outside for a good thrashing..you should thank your lucky stars I'm not.

:drunken: Sorry Mr. O'Booze, I didn't mean to offend the missus, but I'm interested in a good thrashing....what did you have in mind? Should I bring the handcuffs? Chrisco?

"I will not have to put up with seedy old Farangs who think they know it all, I will not have to put up with geriatric, bitchy, old Farang expats"..

that's no way to speak about the likes of John Botting, Kqill or Oogleman !

Frankly a long weekend is enough for me in Chang Mai. What is there to do during the day ?

Lunchtime,

A bit of a difference, I don't think I know it all, I do!!!

I have never been there but it's on my list.

Are there shows like in BKK or Payatta???
Anything like Wild West Boys or ???

Boys with numbers on their shorts ???

Massage places that are For Men Only by Men Only........

Are Off Fees and tips similar to Payatta???

Would appreciate any info as I would like to make it there for at least a few days this winter.
Oh, one more, is the weather OK in November/December or considerably cooler than in Payatta.
Any of the friendly hotels have swimming pools???
Is the best way to fly direct to Chaing Mia from BKK?

Thanks for any info.....

I don't thing you will miss a lot.
It is all there, on a significantly smaller scale. But I always found the people from Lanna country less pushy and more relaxed.

The avarage standard is pretty good.

Regarding accomodation is any standard, from dorm to 5 star plus, availible.

I never needed to "off" someone but canot remember one single night I've stayed alone.

Temperatures can drop low up there, including frost on mountains during early morning hours.

Pending where you are flying in from, there are direct international flights to Chiang Mai; otherweise Chiang Mai is well connected with BKK airports.

"I will not have to put up with seedy old Farangs who think they know it all, I will not have to put up with geriatric, bitchy, old Farang expats"..

that's no way to speak about the likes of John Botting, Kqill or Oogleman !

Frankly a long weekend is enough for me in Chang Mai. What is there to do during the day ?

Lunchtime,

A bit of a difference, I don't think I know it all, I do!!!

Get yer hand off it Kquill.......you'll go blind or something!

Grow some thicker skin and get back to me when your balls finally drop!
Aussieal, are you saying you want to fondle my balls?

Hmmmm.

OK, but it will cost you.

. . . . I'd say go for it and have a great time in Chiang Mai. Sanuk can be had anywhere in Thailand if you give it half a chance, and can think a bit further afield than the night-after-night GoGo bar merry-go-round.
I'm one of the 'Anywhere-But-Pattaya' crowd mostly, though do get there for 2 to 4 days at a stretch to visit friends . . . and find that plenty.

Cheers ...

Thank you Smiles, not too many on this board tend to think above their navel. The countryside is great up north and the people not quite so "cash driven!" It was interesting to see comments from board members who have never set foot in the north making disparaging remarks. As they say small mind reap small rewards!

Grow some thicker skin and get back to me when your balls finally drop!
Aussieal, are you saying you want to fondle my balls?

Hmmmm.

OK, but it will cost you.

LOL....GOOD GOD NO.......I wouldn't touch anyone underage!

[llz]

Any of the friendly hotels have swimming pools???In the 1000/1400 THB range, all hotels are friendly and most have a swimming pool. I suggest you stay in Porn Ping Tower near Night Bazaar (very close to the beer bars and to the tourist zone) or Novotel in the North part of town (convenient to the Chang Phuak bars).


Is the best way to fly direct to Chaing Mia from BKK?
Nok Air has a promotion still valid in November and (perhaps) December at 990 THB all included, departing from Don Muang ; 4 flights a day. You may reserve on their website (including choosing your seat) and you can now pay with any international credit card.
Have a look at Nok Air (http://www.nokair.com/nokconnext/aspx/welcome.aspx?currlang=en-US)

I wouldn't book in advance - unless you’re going to stay during X-mas and New Years day. Any local tour operator can book you in somewhere nice at a fair price. Or look yourself and make a good deal before. The oversupply on beds at any price range is significant. ..


Some fine hotels, surely gay-friendly:

Tea Vana Hotel near TAT office is a very nice hotel. Friendly, comfortable. Outside the centre ring but walking distance to night bazaar and the peak, which will be probably one of your favorite spots soon .. (next to Friendship bar)
Manathai Village Hotel is near the Thapae Gate, very central.
Pornping Tower is close to the centre, good value for money but fairly well used. Bubbles disco is hot - and cruisy.
Lotus Pang Suankaew, also close to the centre and Central shopping. Incredible value for money. Close to action including the very good House of Male but takes a about 10 min or sometimes more to night bazaar or peak. There are various direct bus lines who are running in circles, taking you everywhere for 10 TBT.

[Smiles]

" ... Bubbles disco is hot - and cruisy ... "
I'd definitely second that.
Start in the 'hong nam', and work your way out (in a manner of speaking). :blackeye:

Cheers ...

I have been to Chiang Mai once, and enjoyed my time there. But I come back to Pattaya and Patong Beach year after year because they have beaches, and the sea, as well as the boys. I know that the sea is none too clean at Pattaya, but if you keep the water out of your eyes and mouth then you should be OK.

[Bob]

I too like the beach and always thought Chiangmai would be perfect if it was on the ocean; regardless, it's my favorite haunt.

And, you know they have a decent-sized reservoir with a decent beach and bottom about 4-5 kilometers northwest of
Chiangmai University. A great place to go spend a half a day or the entire day. It's somewhat busy - mostly thai - so get there somewhat early.
Photo taken there April 2007:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v73/robertjb/Resevoir07.jpg

After my last trip in June I've finally had a similar feeling to aussieal's re-Pattaya.

It's just not doing it for me anymore.
Its just too tawdry all around.

Next trip I'm going to Phuket and hoping to be impressed. I havent quite found my niche in Thailand. Bangkok comes closest so far. Chiang Mai a close second.