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August 20th, 2007, 02:47
Lester Thurow has an interesting op-ed in today's New York Times which I've reproduced below (as I think it's protected unless you have an online subscription)
August 19, 2007
A Chinese Century? Maybe ItтАЩs the Next One
By LESTER THUROW

CHINA claims that its economy is growing at 10 to 11 percent a year, and ChinaтАЩs official analysts say that their nation will catch up with the United States long before the 22nd century arrives. DonтАЩt believe it.

First, letтАЩs deal with the implausibility of the official Chinese statistics. Mathematically, if the overall economy were to grow 10 percent annually, and the 70 percent of the economy that is based in rural areas were not growing (as stated by the Chinese government), the economy in ChinaтАЩs cities would have to be growing by 33 percent a year. The urban economy is growing rapidly, but not at a 33 percent pace.

Furthermore, Chinese statistics conflict with those of Hong Kong, the semiautonomous territory that serves as the financial capital of much of southern China. In 2001, Hong Kong had a recession, which is to say that it reported that its gross domestic product fell. Guangdong, the adjacent Chinese province, has a population of around 200 million. In 2001, it reported that its G.D.P. grew by 10 percent. What are the chances that both of those numbers are correct? Very slim.

Economic growth rates can be inferred from electricity consumption. In every country in the world, electricity use has generally grown faster than the G.D.P. Electricity is necessary for nearly all productive activities, and because of inefficiencies, consumption of electricity has generally outstripped economic growth. Rising energy costs have resulted in more efficient use of electricity, but especially in the developing world, economic growth has still generally lagged growth in electricity.

But if ChinaтАЩs official numbers are to be believed, there are provinces in China where the G.D.P. has been growing faster than energy use. That is unlikely, since the central governmentтАЩs statistics also say that energy use per unit of G.D.P. is going up тАФ not down, as claimed in provincial G.D.P. statistics.

Among the worldтАЩs 12 most rapidly growing economies over the last 10 years, the G.D.P. has grown only 45 percent as fast as electricity consumption. In the early 1970s, Japan was shutting down its electricity-guzzling aluminum industry. During this period, the G.D.P. grew 60 percent as fast as electricity consumption, the highest recorded level among industrialized nations.

Using those numbers as a guide, if we consider ChinaтАЩs actual electrical use, which is relatively easy to measure, and do a little math, we come up with this estimate: The G.D.P. in China has been growing somewhere between 4.5 percent (using the average for a rapidly growing country) to 6 percent a year (using the highest rate for Japan), not at the 10 percent rate claimed in official statistics.

The official statistic for ChinaтАЩs overall growth rate is best regarded as an approximate growth rate of the economy of its cities.

China also officially claims that it will catch up with the United States and become the worldтАЩs largest economy well before the 22nd century arrives.

There is an equally simple reason that neither of these predictions is likely to be realized. It simply takes more than 100 years for a large, less economically developed country to catch up with the world leader in per capita income. One need look only at the history of the United States, which had a much higher growth rate than Britain in the 19th century, yet did not catch up until World War I. Or consider Japan and the United States. Some 150 years after Japan started to modernize during the Meiji restoration, the countryтАЩs per capita G.D.P. is still only 80 percent of that of the United States in terms of purchasing power parity тАФ although, in nominal terms, it has caught up.

The United States is not standing still. In fact, its per capita income grew faster than nearly all other big countries from 1990 to 2007. EuropeтАЩs per capita income fell from 85 percent of that of the United States in 1990 to 66 percent in 2007, according to International Monetary Fund statistics.

So letтАЩs say that the inflation-adjusted growth rate for China is 4 percent a year. This is optimistic, because China will certainly have some bad years in the next century. Every country does тАФ remember the Great Depression in the United States. A 4 percent rate is faster than any big country has ever grown for 100 years. But assume that China can do it. Assume, too, that America grows at the 3 percent rate it has averaged for the last 15 years.

Now project the two growth rates forward: the inflation-adjusted per-capita G.D.P. of China would be less than $40,000 in 2100, versus almost $650,000 in the United States. ThatтАЩs because China starts at $1,000 per capita and the United States at $43,000. If, in 2100, China has four times as many people as the United States, as it does now, China would still not have a total G.D.P. equal to AmericaтАЩs.

But it is unlikely to have four times as many people. It is always a mistake to project population growth rates for a century, but letтАЩs do it anyway: With a one-child policy and a sex ratio that favors boys (many men wonтАЩt find wives) тАФ China should experience a decline in population in the 21st century. Yet letтАЩs assume for a moment that ChinaтАЩs population remains constant, at 1.3 billion. If immigration to the United States continued at the current rate, AmericaтАЩs population would rise. If the population grew at 1 percent a year, as it has recently, it would more than double by 2100, reducing the enormous population gap between the two countries. Are these projections likely to be realized? Who knows?

What is clear is that China is unlikely to surpass the United States in G.D.P. in absolute or relative terms anytime soon.

There may be a Chinese century, but it will be the 22nd century тАФ not the 21st.

Lester Thurow is a professor of management and economics at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. He is also on the board of Taiwan Semiconductor, which does business in mainland China.

August 20th, 2007, 08:36
This is not America Oh NOooo, :cheers:

PS: Why is it that every so often someone from across the Atlantic needs to come up with some crack pot theory to try and explain away Chinas rampant growth, I may add they have been trying to cap this growth for awhile.

Surely the threat is not that America will become a waste land of credit default, and that China will will stream ahead into the number one super power spot? Who care's about America enough to be worried? Not the majority of nations today, at least not about America itself, but rather about how much and to what extent this downfall will have as a negative impact on a lot of these nations economies. And that is at the present time unknown, but being felt in some small measure right now as as we speak. Perhaps we will find out shortly.
This might depend quite honestly now and in the future on what China decides to do with its foreign reserves, the Euro is looking good these days and infinitely smarter, but then they the Euros have always relied on the the rather fixated American public to do the gross spending, while they themselves live sensibly and securely on real money.

What worries me however, and is much more of a threat in my opinion, is the globes capacity to be able to maintain another super greedy, resource guzzling, polluting nation on a scale that will surely make the present Americans look like the fucking informal sector in the Gambia, that to my mind is a very real threat to us all.

August 20th, 2007, 08:41
Surely the threat is not that America will become a waste land of credit default, and that China will will stream ahead into the number one super power spot?A number of commentators are speculating on how much of America's sub-prime mortgage paper the Chinese banks and other investors have bought up

August 20th, 2007, 14:35
how much of America's sub-prime mortgage paper the Chinese banks and other investors have bought up
555 555 555 555 555 555 Reminds me of when Sony bought half of Hollywood. BTW Bluray rocks.

What isn't so funny is how we persuade those who have nothing that in their rush to have something, wrecking the planet with two new coal-fired power-stations a day is a short term view.