French National charged with having sex with minors.

[Geezer]

"Inside the room was a 14 year old boy on his bed who was wearing no cloths. Mr. Rousselle and the boy were taken to the Immigration Office where the 14 year old confirmed that he had been taken back to the suspectтАЩs room in exchange for 600 Baht in cash. The deal was struck when the pair met in Soi Sunee Plaza in South Pattaya. "

http://www.pattayacitynews.net/news_09_08_50.htm

The deal was struck when the pair met in Soi Sunee Plaza in South Pattaya. "

http://www.pattayacitynews.net/news_09_08_50.htm

I hope you are not suggesting that the deal took place in the all new cleaned-up Sunee Plaza that so many posters have been promoting and raving about!

[Dboy]

Anyone here know where Rainbow House Apartments on Soi 17 is? I'd never heard of it. Any more detail on what actually transpired would be appreciated. If the boy was really 14, he was probably NOT working in one of the bars.

Dboy

[thanatorn-old]

I do not condone or accept this form of activity and I am sure all other members would also be of similar thinking. But Thailand is known for its harsh penalties etc so why on earth do these people who are so inclined come here and take a chance with underage activities. Are they so thick not to realise that most encounters are either set ups or they are under observation. ( its the same with drug traffickers, whether this is a profession or once off) It just messes things up for the rest of us and creates a bad impression of Thailand. I have no sympathy for this guy - if he is guilty lock him up and throw away the key.

[colmx]

Whilst I don't condone this mans deeds in any way...

I do find it funny how the people who get caught by the police stings have always paid the cash upfront!

Usually most of us pay our offs after the deed - not before it!

This sounds more lke a set up and will likely result in a large amount of baht exchanging hands. In any case the only words I can think of are stupid stupid stupid.

[bao-bao]

I do not condone or accept this form of activity and I am sure all other members would also be of similar thinking.

I personally think anyone who would give an early- or mid-teenager of either sex a second look has some serious mental problems. I've read that at some points in time in some cultures it wasn't such a terrible thing, but it kind of creeps me out; and that doesn't even begin to address the potential lasting damage to the younger person's psyche.

...after reading some of the past posts on this board, though, I'm not nearly as sure as you are that "all other members would also be of similar thinking."

[Doug]

Luvthai....I was thinking the same thing.

Also, it was reported, "Police Major Tanapat from the Special Investigations Unit received instructions from Police Colonel Itipon, the Superintendent of PattayaтАЩs Immigration Office that a complaint had been received detailing allegations that a French Tourist was conducting sexual activities with minors." If the suspect was being watched, then who allowed the minor to enter the room of the farang" Did no one care for the well being of the boy? Was he disposable?

Also it was reported, "After some time, the door opened and Mr. Luc Bernard Michel Rousselle aged 57 from France looked fearful when he realized those knocking on his door were Immigration Officers. Inside the room was a 14 year old boy on his bed who was wearing no cloths." If it took some time for the door to be opened, why was the boy still naked. One would think that a knock at the door would result in some hasty actions to try and cover up an illegal act. I suspect the boy was complicit.

Of course, now that the farang is caught, photographed and reported on, we will hear nothing more of this case.

And Thanatorn....you wrote, "Are they so thick not to realise that most encounters are either set ups or they are under observation." Is this a true statement? You indicate a high percentage of these illegal activities end badly for the farang. What do you estimate? 90%? 80%? I would think if just 10% were caught, then this activity would quickly disappear. But that's not what many on this board suggest.

Anyway these are just some points that make me ponder and say, "Hmmmm".

[Lunchtime O'Booze]

and I bet the "victim' is back out looking for another mug.

But Sunnee Plaza ??..why drag down the good name of this chic area.

Personally I won't go near anyone unless they can produce a pensioner's buss pass ( their own of course)

The deal was struck when the pair met in Soi Sunee Plaza in South Pattaya. "

Naturally, where else ?

Then again if you are offing from a bar ,do you need to check the I.D?
YES ! (if there is any doubt at all of their age)

I detect a good bit of hypocrisy here!

This man was very very very stupid and he is clearly attracted to underage boys.
However, I do think a huge portion of gay men are attracted to an 18 year old. Sometimes a 14 year old can look like an 18 year old (jail bait). Sometimes an 18 year old can look like a 14 year old (legal as sin). Also remember some important points: attraction to mid-range teens is not technically pederasty though acting on it is illegal. That should be enough reason not to do it without getting so moralistic. My opinion is the moral outrage about such things should be reserved to true pederasty.

BTW, there are indeed boys as young as 15 working in some bars, even in Boyztown. And fake IDs are rampant. This guy was asking for it, but how many cases are accidental? If you took a boy off who said he was 19 and showed you a fake ID and it turned out he was 15 and your life was ruined, would you be so god awful moralistic about all this?

I also suspect people who rush to condemn. Why do they think they have to be vocal about it? Is there something about themselves they are trying to hide or deny? How often is the loudest anti gay bigot a closet case perv himself?

[allieb]

Maybe he did not check the I.D?

Then again if you are offing from a bar ,do you need to check the I.D?

Yes indeed you need to check and double check and perhaps make a rule that they must even look 21 or over as well as prove to be over 18.

To check whether a Thai money boy is lying just look at his lips. They move

The boy was needing or looking to make money. If someone hadn't picked him up would he have mugged stolen, robbed, or killed someone to get the money? There is no easy answer to this problem and until thailand has a compulsory education system in place not much will change.

[bkkguy]

The boy was needing or looking to make money. If someone hadn't picked him up would he have mugged stolen, robbed, or killed someone to get the money?


if the only way to get money is prostitution or theft then why is it that every 15 year old in the country is not on the game or a thief? education - or lack of it - is not the only issue here!

bkkguy

[PinkSilom]

'BTW, there are indeed boys as young as 15 working in some bars, even in Boyztown.'

Boyztown = Soi 3 = Toy Boys, Caf├й Royale, Throb/Splash, Oscars, Serene Bar, Panorama, Amor, Boyz Boyz Boyz, Ambiance Hotel, Funny Boys

Let's not confuse Boyztown with other sois.

'BTW, there are indeed boys as young as 15 working in some bars, even in Boyztown.'

Boyztown = Soi 3 = Toy Boys, Caf├й Royale, Throb/Splash, Oscars, Serene Bar, Panorama, Amor, Boyz Boyz Boyz, Ambiance Hotel, Funny Boys

Let's not confuse Boyztown with other sois.
Thats true, it would be the other sois that have the problem.

Whilst I don't condone this mans deeds in any way...

I do find it funny how the people who get caught by the police stings have always paid the cash upfront!

Usually most of us pay our offs after the deed - not before it!

Sting or not at least it has got another pedo off the streets.

He can also expect a warm welcome back from his home country's police :cheers:

The boy was needing or looking to make money. If someone hadn't picked him up would he have mugged stolen, robbed, or killed someone to get the money? There is no easy answer to this problem and until thailand has a compulsory education system in place not much will change.

On what authority do you have it that the boy was prepared to commit murder for money or that he did not go to school? Not happy with labelling the boy a potential murderer you then try to excuse the incident by implying that the pedo picking him up saved someone else from being killed.

To try and blame the poor education system in Thailand is sheer stupidity. The 'villians' here are the pedos that trawl Sunnee looking for children that are poor and need money, the fact that a child does or does not go to school has very little bearing on the matter.

The 'villians' here are the pedos that trawl Sunnee looking for children that are poor and need money, the fact that a child does or does not go to school has very little bearing on the matter.
True and the villains also include the pedo apologists who trot out such garbage.

[Marsilius]

"He can also expect a warm welcome back from his home country's police" - Naughty but Nice, above.

Given that the age of consent for gay acts in France is 15, I'd have thought that their interest in a man convicted of sex abroad with a 14 year old might be quite marginal.

The 'villians' here are the pedos that trawl Sunnee looking for children that are poor and need money, the fact that a child does or does not go to school has very little bearing on the matter.
True and the villains also include the pedo apologists who trot out such garbage.

Who as we know are often both one and the same.

Raksiam you said it best of all. "I detect a good bit of hypocrisy here!" I think many of those who are so shocked and horrified are totally divorced from the reality of life in Pattaya. Anyone who has taken boys from bars over some period of time that look under 25 has in all likely hood taken an underage boy home at some point in time; the law of averages take over and sooner or later it will or has happened. The capitalistic urge takes over and these young very poor boys become very clever capitalist and can quickly become very inventive with fake IDs, borrowedID, friends IDs, and many other scams (including working for the police) become the currency of the day...and you poor old Farang can become a victim very quickly, even it you think you are much to smart or clever for that to ever happen to you.

[Bob]

The boy was needing or looking to make money. If someone hadn't picked him up would he have mugged stolen, robbed, or killed someone to get the money? There is no easy answer to this problem and until thailand has a compulsory education system in place not much will change.

Those comments suggest that adults ought to engage in sex with 14 year olds to save somebody else from a mugging, robbery, or from being murdered???!!!???
I'm hoping you didn't mean what your comments appear to say (but, if you did, this is rather sick thinking).

There surely isn't any easy answer to stopping adults who want to prey upon underage kids nor is there any easy answer to solving the problem of why kids are out there trying to sell their bodies. One of the answers, though, is to get the kids off the street and to throw every bastard messing with them in the Bangkok Hilton.

[Dodger]

Naughty Quote...

On what authority do you have it that the boy was prepared to commit murder for money or that he did not go to school? Not happy with labelling the boy a potential murderer you then try to excuse the incident by implying that the pedo picking him up saved someone else from being killed.

I know one of the 14 y/o sunee street boys who turns tricks for a living - who's older brother is serving jail time for murdering a French farang (how ironic) just on the outskirts of Sunee 2 years ago. Wouldn't it be really be ironic - if the boy who was in the sack with this recently arrested French guy - turned out to be the same boy who's brother is in jail!

What goes around - comes around.

This will probably spark another rounds of raids in the sunee area.

This will probably spark another rounds of raids in the sunee area.
Good thing too!

[Lunchtime O'Booze]

but be younger and some will say they're 18 when they are not.

I wouldn't accept ID as positive proof either. Every now and then a 'sting' crops us involving an underage lad working in with some thugs..sometimes even a policeman although I have no idea about this particular case. Several members of Sawatdee have been caught in stings and it's cost them a lot of cash.

There is one benefit though in staying at a hotel with good security and a guard-who collects a visitors ID to retain until he/she leaves..this will mean you are in the clear if they accept an ID that says the person is over 18.

[Wesley]

Nuff said on my part, he deserves any punishment he gets,

Wes

Nuff said on my part, he deserves any punishment he gets
"any"? Really? How does that square with your statement
That make me a part of the opposition to moral standards in general and those who purport to know what is right or wrong in this remains relevant and up to ones own consciencein the thread http://www.sawatdee-gay-thailand.com/fo ... 53-15.html (http://www.sawatdee-gay-thailand.com/forum/prostitution-a-philosophical-point-of-view-t12453-15.html) eloquently headed "portitutionn the oldest profession or not?"?

Most likely is that while he is awaiting further trials in Thailand, they will squeeze any single Baht possible out of him. As soon as his pockets and accounts are empty he will receive his “no entry again” stamp in his passport and a free flight home – where the French police is already waiting for him.

According to French law and EU regulations, he will pay again.

His “reputation” will be ruined for ever.

Scam, or not: Having sex with minors is illegal. Everybody knows about that.

Having sex with minors is illegal. Everybody knows about that.Indeed - just as many (but not most) people know that the definition of what constitutes a "minor" varies widely from country to country, and in some places, between genders

[Brad the Impala]

Scam, or not: Having sex with minors is illegal. Everybody knows about that.

Just as prostitution is illegal, bribery is illegal, but when the laws are inconvenient to us personally, we are prepared to break them. Everybody knows that.

Scam, or not: Having sex with minors is illegal. Everybody knows about that.

Just as prostitution is illegal, bribery is illegal, but when the laws are inconvenient to us personally, we are prepared to break them. Everybody knows that.


Facing the consequences. That’s what’s left. If it’s worth it?
Anyway, thers isn't room for any complain.

[Alton-old]

Has anyone ever had a hotel reject the ID of their "guest for the evening"?

Just as prostitution is illegal, bribery is illegal, but when the laws are inconvenient to us personally, we are prepared to break them. Everybody knows that.

But what are the rules concerning sex with miners ...

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39284000/jpg/_39284951_203scargill.jpg

But what are the rules concerning sex with miners ...Or vinyl salesmen?

Has anyone ever had a hotel reject the ID of their "guest for the evening"?


Happened to someone at Pinnacle Lumpini. He was just next to me. The receptionists did call the security to send someone out, he was known as thief.

At other places they checked mainly for age.

Usually the ID will stay with the reception and before handing back, they call to the room in order to assure that everything is OK.

[pronto]

Has anyone ever had a hotel reject the ID of their "guest for the evening"?

It happened to me once at the Tarntawan in Bangkok. I brought two handsome young men back for the evening. The problem? They did not even have an ID! I had not thought to check myself, since they both clearly were old enough. I was pleased that the hotel staff handled the matter in a polite manner. The receptionist even offered to call a replacement "masseur" for me. I declined their offer of assistance. lol


Usually the ID will stay with the reception and before handing back, they call to the room in order to assure that everything is OK.

Same same in my experience. I always appreciate this reassuring service.

[Wesley]

Nuff said on my part, he deserves any punishment he gets
"any"? Really? How does that square with your statement
That make me a part of the opposition to moral standards in general and those who purport to know what is right or wrong in this remains relevant and up to ones own consciencein the thread http://www.sawatdee-gay-thailand.com/fo ... 53-15.html (http://www.sawatdee-gay-thailand.com/forum/prostitution-a-philosophical-point-of-view-t12453-15.html) eloquently headed "prostitution the oldest profession or not?"?

I think in this statement I was talking about it in an entirely different subject, I have made it clear over a period of years not in just one post either , that I oppose older guys with underage guys, Although, I do feel somethings remain relevant to each persons conscience, I was not referring to unlawful acts or, any acts that would leave permanent scares for life on a child that sold is body as a 14 year old to some one just so he could eat. Who knows the circumstances or the thought that went into the decision to go with this man. I feel that most things are relevant to each persons own conscience and that there are laws made to prevent those who err in their thought process to do that which is unseemly or to do that which is not only against the law of man and God but also of conscience itself. You took this out of a thread that did not relate to the subject matter of this particular thread. if you are going to quote me do it in context or not at all.

Wesley

You took this out of a thread that did not relate to the subject matter of this particular thread. if you are going to quote me do it in context or not at all.In other words, you have a completely inconsistent attitude to life and morals. What a surprise

"He can also expect a warm welcome back from his home country's police" - Naughty but Nice, above.

Given that the age of consent for gay acts in France is 15, I'd have thought that their interest in a man convicted of sex abroad with a 14 year old might be quite marginal.

He certainly won't get a welcome when he returns to France, read this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6957054.stm

Initially, I thought it was a bit, well strange to say the least, especially when this guy, Francis Evrard (notice the surname), went to a doctor to be prescribed Viagra.

[Wesley]

That is what relevant to ones own conscience is about, I think I made myself clear, it was neither inconsistent or wrong. I do think that prostitution for an adult is up to ones own conscience and that it is wrong for one who is not mentally or physically mature. A 14 year old neither has the maturity or the ability to think though his thought process. To put him in a category with older people who are mature enough to make their own decision is stupid. I regret that you feel I am inconsistent when I feel as though on this particular subject matter I have been completely consistent over a period of years of posting here and on Pattaygay. To put the conscience of a 14 year old in the same place as a person who has the maturity to make his own decision is wrong in my opinion. Although, I am neither God nor a person of complete moral conscience I do know how I feel about underage children with adults; if I feel differently about prostitution among adults I don't see where the two are in any way connected.

Wesley

That is what relevant to ones own conscience is aboutMy dear boy there's nothing wrong with what you do. Most posters here operate on the knee-jerk principle; it's one of the things which provides me with some minor entertainment (think about my signature quotation from Jane Austen)

[Wesley]

Its been a longtime since anyone called me a boy, I appreciate that more tan you know.

Thanks for the diversion

[Doug]

Shouldn't that apply to Sunee Plaza itself. It's my understanding that Sunee Plaza is owned by an individual and not simply a designated area.

[Lunchtime O'Booze]

who lit your wick wx40afp !!..so butch !

" A 14 year old neither has the maturity or the ability to think though his thought process."..I know some 40 years old with the same problem.

Of all people on here to be telling someone else to watch what they post it should not be you Billy. You are the most vulgur of posters and don't give a thought to what your posting.

" A 14 year old neither has the maturity or the ability to think though his thought process."..I know some 40 years old with the same problem.Cedric, Aunty, boygeenyus, ...

Its odd that if a 14 yr old picks up a gun and shoots someone he can be tried as an adult but if he drops his pants he neither has the ability or maturity to decide for himself. A double standard there.

[Wesley]

no 14 year old I know or have known understands what he is getting into when he drops his pants. It may be fun but if its with and older gentleman its against the law any where I know

[Doug]

Wesley, you wrote, "no 14 year old I know or have known understands what he is getting into when he drops his pants."


How do you assess his understanding? What questions do you ask? How many 14 year olds have you known? I hope that's not in the biblical sense.

[ned kelly-old]

"no 14 year old I know or have known understands what he is getting into when he drops his pants. It may be fun but if its with and older gentleman its against the law any where I know"

FYI Wesley the age of consent for BOTH males and females in Japan is 13yo.

no 14 year old I know or have known understands what he is getting into when he drops his pants. It may be fun but if its with and older gentleman its against the law any where I knowWhat a sheltered life you do lead in Molvania, Wesley

no 14 year old I know or have known understands what he is getting into when he drops his pants.

This could also apply to many, including men a little and a lot older than 14!

" A 14 year old neither has the maturity or the ability to think though his thought process."..I know some 40 years old with the same problem.Cedric, Aunty, boygeenyus, ...

I deny being 14, I am well over the acceptable age limit, would I be posting here otherwise? Ask jinks if you dont believe in me. As far as 40-year olds go, yummy, yummy, make mine a skinny with hairy legs to go.

People were noticing how quite Pattaya has become, police raids might figure in the top ten reasons for this sudden lack of punter.

This man has no excuse, the number of time I have had to literally grapple with school boys trying to fight their way into my bum crack has been startling to say the least, most almost nine tenths my age.
He thought he had scored big time, no doubt about it, and a which hunt is a very positive message to be sending back to the perverts back home.

[Wesley]

But when I was 14, I remember well all that went on with my friends, as you can see I never quite got over it and to this day enjoy dropping my pants as often as I have opportunity.

Wesley

1) It is not the role of the hotel to check IDs. They keep IDs as security for the guest. The details concerning the ID card are the guests responsibility.

2) ID cards were once just paper covered in flimsy plastic with a photo attached and stamped in position. I remember many times boys had swapped pics around. These days the ID cards are plastic similar to a credit card and impossible to swap pics. Tho a pro on Kho San rd may beg to differ.

3) It is stupid farangs who take their offs to condos or hotels that get caught. The door bitches in these places also get their slice of the pie for the tip off Dears!!

4) What about freelancers in Sunee - and I mean those VERY young ones hanging out sitting on parked motorbikes in one particular Soi. What about their place of business, a very short time hotel (of sorts) with 2 barred entrances just to get upstairs and lookouts on all 2 floors??

5) Most of the busts are because farangs are dumb and are set up. Being seen with young guys day in day out would inflame some, and probably some of them lurk on this board. Fuck and forget is one thing, but to go out shopping and setting up residence is asking for BIG TROUBLE, Dears.....

6) As they say Hon, let the buyer beware!

[Lunchtime O'Booze]

even late teens cannot think through the consequences of their actions...and this is biological and probably part of the evolution process.

Hence teens tendency to indulge in dangerous risk activities..speeding in autos, excessive drug taking etc ...which us old fogies tut tut about...that is why people become more cautious as they get older..and positively terrified of everything when they get really old.

Teens they are incorrectly blamed for their behavior which is perfectly normal for their age.

It's only very recently that doctors have realized that young children do not have periphery vision..they literally cannot see what adults do.

But as for 14/15 year olds not knowing what they are getting into.. they won't be able to use that excuse when an alleged crime is committed.

As we have seen recently in the US when a 7 year old was handcuffed in the class room..and in the UK when a 14 year old was charged with assault for throwing a sausage at at 74 year old pensioner !!( surely an act of charity !!)

FYI Wesley the age of consent for BOTH males and females in Japan is 13yo.

Age of consent in Spain is also 13. Hawaii, in the repressive USA is 14 along with yet another state that I cannot remember. About seventeen states in the USA have age of consent laws set at 16.

Even in Thailand, just over ten years ago there was no frenzy over this age thing. People talk as if some particular age is an 'eternal truth", but it too will pass under the waves. Just as Bangkok will go under water over the next twenty years, this feeding frenzy over age of consent will end.

[Wesley]

I am not sure if its just for me immoral to take a kid out for sex or if the law is a deterrent. I have never been one much to care about what the law says and speed limits are useless to me. I tend to drive as fast as I feel want to and I tend to play the same way. I do have a conscience and I think that sex with an adult and children can leave lasting emotional side effects to children. I assume 13 and 14 are too young where I feel that 16 is probably on the line and may depend entirely on the maturity level of the teen in question. Some at 18 are not ready for sex of this nature while others at 13 may be more emotionally suited to the act. Again I guess its something that is relative to the person. I tend to care more about he damage done to the kids than their age. I don't hold others to my particular way of thinking. If some one thinks it is okay to go out with a 16 year old and its legal I would think it is up to them. I had a kid come home with me and when it came down to actually having sex with him I was unable to bring myself to do it. I guess to each his own. I personally I think its wrong but who am I to judge someone else or their motives or actions.

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I have never been one much to care about what the law says and speed limits are useless to me. I tend to drive as fast as I feel want to and I tend to play the same way.
How do you pick and choose which laws to violate?

I'm not meaning to flame, I'm just curious how you draw up the guidelines when it comes to honoring laws, or more specifically how you rationalize which ones to disregard.

[Lunchtime O'Booze]

the continued sensationalism about age of consent laws is bizarre--what happens a day after a person turns 'legal' ?. Does their mind do a complete flip and they instantly become able to differentiate between cohesion and free choice ?.

The Netherlands as usual gets it right--treating each case of alleged abuse individually and regarding all aspects separately ie: was there genuine consent despite age differences etc. Naturally they still have strong laws against those in positions of authority like teachers.

And what a blast Amsterdam was in the past with those blond and delightful Dutch and friendly little bars !

I'm not meaning to flame, I'm just curious how you draw up the guidelines when it comes to honoring laws, or more specifically how you rationalize which ones to disregard.Whatever suits him or he thinks he can get away with - that's what most of us do, isn't it?

when a 14 year old was charged with assault for throwing a sausage at at 74 year old pensioner !!( surely an act of charity !!)


It was only a small cocktail sausage so even the defence saw no merit in advancing that excuse.

The incident is typical of the attitude of Western youth towards their elders and betters which may well be the reason so many Western Elders seem to enjoy the company of Issarn farm boys to the point that they'll pay for it.

[Lunchtime O'Booze]

now there's a kid with style !

was he also drinking a martini at the time ?