Another Ad - I need to sell my Townhouse in Jomtien

This Townhouse is located in Jomtien Soi 10 (Thappraya Rd) accross the road from Sugar Hut & 2 minutes to Mata Hari or Manhattan. 3 Bedrooms,( en-suite), 3 Aircons, 3 Stories. Fully furnished. Call 038 252083 or 086 996 1938 Brian

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There's a number you can call to get more information, Botting. Quit griping.

[catawampuscat]

From all that I have heard, it is nearly impossible to sell houses now and only condos are selling.
There are no farang buyers of houses due to the ownership questions. You should consider working with a professional
broker when things are so up in the air. They will know better than I what the situation is.

I believe you can list for free on John Bottings site and I understand the rental market is good and if you
have a pool , you can probably get it rented . good luck :cat:

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Hi guys, thanks for the input. I had included my website on the original ad, but it was not allowed by the administrator. Maybe he will let me have it this time: www.freewebs.com/townhousepattaya (http://www.freewebs.com/townhousepattaya)
Full details, plus photos & price. Company included. Price O.N.O. 4.6 mil

AND it SHOULDNT be allowed by the administrator !!!!!!!!

Why? If it was my board I'd be creating a separate "adverts" Forum, with links from the main Fora and and requiring donations by the month.

I read the advert website and found some things I did not like to read. electric average 600 -700 baht a month? I doubt that strongly. cool all the time - also doubted. And its been years since any baht bus charged 5 baht for a short ride. Just my opinion. Im opiniated you know.

[Smiles]

Hi guys, thanks for the input. I had included my website on the original ad, but it was not allowed by the administrator. Maybe he will let me have it this time: www.freewebs.com/townhousepattaya (http://www.freewebs.com/townhousepattaya)
Full details, plus photos & price. Company included. Price O.N.O. 4.6 mil
I'd ban the background music, for sure. A major vexation to the ear . . . would you buy a condo (or a car, or pirated porno dvd) from this guy? Took me back to a gypsy encampment on the side of the M-1 motorway just outside Sheffield.

To be assaulted, click the link.

Cheers ...

What does "O.N.O." represent? My hunch is a variation of OBO (or best offer), but it precedes the asking price which makes me wonder if it's something totally different.

What does "O.N.O." represent? My hunch is a variation of OBO (or best offer), but it precedes the asking price which makes me wonder if it's something totally different.
Or Nearest Offer

You are right, it normally appears after the price

Before buying a house with a phony shell company like this, see a psychiatrist, or send the money to me instead!
You buy such a house, you don't own shit.
Instead, you are buying a legal problem.
Buy a condo in your name or RENT.
The long term lease deals may also be OK if you get a good lawyer.
But a phony company? Are you mad?

BTW, short baht bus rides are still 5 baht.

Jingthing. How many years has it been since you been to Pattaya?
NO baht bus ride is less than 10 baht. Of course, as this is a farang forum, we are speaking about farang bus prices. Thai people pay 5. You as a Westerner will NEVER get away with 5 baht. Unless your willing to have a fist fight over the fare.
Why give shit info like that Jing?

[x in pattaya]

Thai people pay 5.

I think some, if not all, song taeow drivers are charging Thais 10 baht now too... at least some of the time. I know it's been an issue a few times going from South Pattaya Rd to Jomtien.

Of course, there's one really old couple often on that route. He drives like a homicidal maniac and she tried (very unsuccessfully) to get B20 from me for the trip to Jomtien.

But definitely B 10 minimum for farang.

Jingthing. How many years has it been since you been to Pattaya?
NO baht bus ride is less than 10 baht. Of course, as this is a farang forum, we are speaking about farang bus prices. Thai people pay 5. You as a Westerner will NEVER get away with 5 baht. Unless your willing to have a fist fight over the fare.
Why give shit info like that Jing?
Boogy.
I LIVE in Pattaya. Have for years. I give this info because it is TRUE. For a SHORT baht bus ride for Thais and farang, you can just hand the man 5 baht and walk away. Defining what is short enough for that is something anyone can figure out. They will beep at you maybe one time out of twenty. If you are so stopid to ASK the fare, you are even a bigger fool than you sound. This is even more true on the cross town roads (5 baht for short ride), but less so on North Pattaya road for some reason.

BOTH Thais and farangs pay 10 baht from South Pattaya to Jomtien!

From this house to Dongtan, I would pay 10 because in my view that is not quite short enough to pay 5 and also this over the hill bus is a bit special. On the other hand, I often pay 5 on Pattaya Klang from 2nd Road all the way to Sukhumwit with no problem whatsoever.

If you are a tourist, go ahead and pay 10 for everything and you will be OK, but if you live here, you learn the truth.

Been here nearly ten years full time.
As others say also, 10 baht MINIMUM.

Now I have wasted enough time on you. Have a nice day.

Been here nearly ten years full time.
As others say also, 10 baht MINIMUM.

Now I have wasted enough time on you. Have a nice day.
You are just wrong.
For a short ride from a farang, they will take your 10.
They will take your 20.
They will also take 5.
So what is the price?
If my view, 5.
Mind you, I am only talking about a short ride.
A common ride is on Pattaya Klang from 2nd Road to Carrefour. Pay 5. No problem. Pay 10 if you want to give charity. I pay 5 for this all the time and no problem. Proves I am correct.
I find it funny that you seem to be upset. Are you miffed that you have been overpaying for years?
BTW, the correct way to pay the correct fare is to walk to the driver, stick the exact change coin (with the palm of your hand down) in his hand, avoid eye contact, and WALK AWAY confidentally. Then he knows you are a local and not a tourist water buffalo.

If you are silly enough to ask with your eyes if you are being a stupid farang enough, you get what you deserve. Double pricing is racism. Why play their game if you don't have to?

Jing, if your riding only a few blocks and paying 5 baht I think your the one overpaying pal. If you want to be cheap, why not save the 5 and walk?
I only know what my friends say about baht buses. I have a car and stopped climbing in those cattle trucks a few years ago.
If we ever sat down for a cold one, you would learn fast which of us is the more frugal. Cheers.

[x in pattaya]

BTW, the correct way to pay the correct fare is to walk to the driver, stick the exact change coin (with the palm of your hand down) in his hand, avoid eye contact, and WALK AWAY confidentally. Then he knows you are a local and not a tourist water buffalo.
If you are silly enough to ask with your eyes if you are being a stupid farang enough, you get what you deserve. Double pricing is racism. Why play their game if you don't have to?

While I won't submit to opportunism like that old lady I mentioned trying to get B 20 from me, I think developing a game-plan which involves avoiding eye contact and scurrying off to save 5 Baht would cost me a great deal more than 5 baht worth of self-respect.

I have more often felt a little guilty about paying only ten baht. Last week I rode from Sukhumvit & North Pattaya Rd all the way down to the roundabout , onto Beach Rd, down to South Pattaya & Second Rds, and most of the way I was the only passenger. If the driver had asked for baht 20, I wouldn't have objected, but he didn't.

I know Baht Bus drivers have a bad reputation, but for the most part I've only had good experiences with them. The last time I went to Bangkok Hospital Pattaya just for a regular check-up, the driver insisted I ride in the front with him with the A/C on. He only asked B 100 although the going rate now is B120 and some want B 150.

Another time when the driver decided to change route after we had travelled some distance, he pulled to the side of the road, got out and apologized to me. I just got off, no charge, and was immediately picked up by another.

Many drivers make it a point to say "thank you" when I pay them.

Most of the Thai people I deal with on a daily basis do so because they are trying to earn money. I don't delude myself in thinking they all love me, but I do think that most will accord me the same respect and dignity I give them. I would feel childish and petty trying to stiff a driver for five baht. I suppose the reason the drivers don't make a big deal about it is that they figure you need the five baht more than they do.

I know it's improper to have too high an opinion of yourself, but on the other hand I hope I never have such a low opinion of myself that I think I'm terribly clever at short-changing someone.

[x in pattaya]

and dont keep us suspense,how did you do it?

Nothing particularly dramatic or interesting. I just said mai,mai, mai and leaned in the window smiling. She was trying her luck to see if I would walk away with her holding onto the B20.

The next time they picked me up from the same place, we smiled at each other. Nothing to be gained by getting angry or holding a grudge. I think sometimes they find it entertaining if a farang goes ballistic, turns bright red and loses it.

So it seems like the slight majority think it's actually 10b for the ride. Oh well that's it then, I'll not be making an offer for that house.
Fecking hell guys, I'm used to seeing the discussions/arguments over tourists paying too much for bar boys and thereby pushing up the price for the locals but at least there the difference is in 100s of baht. 5b, 10b or even - God forbid - 20b. Humour me here: are there really guys on here who mind paying the extra 5b? Is that 5b really worth more than perhaps allowing the driver to have that feeling of having won a small victory?
There must surely be more to life.

So it seems like the slight majority think it's actually 10b for the ride. Oh well that's it then, I'll not be making an offer for that house.
Fecking hell guys, I'm used to seeing the discussions/arguments over tourists paying too much for bar boys and thereby pushing up the price for the locals but at least there the difference is in 100s of baht. 5b, 10b or even - God forbid - 20b. Humour me here: are there really guys on here who mind paying the extra 5b? Is that 5b really worth more than perhaps allowing the driver to have that feeling of having won a small victory?
There must surely be more to life.
I also agree the correct fare is often 10 baht for farangs and double pricing is a reality which is not worth fighting in every instance. Especially on Beach and 2nd Road.
However, these FIVE BAHT EXCEPTIONS definitely apply:
Cross town baht buses especially when they are crowded, Pattaya Tai and Pattaya Klang, Pattaya Nua not so, Threpprasit not so. Except for short rides on those last two, in that case, 5 baht is corect.
Short rides even on beach, 2nd, or Jomtien beach road
I have noticed sometimes drivers demand 20 baht to go from Jomtien to Big C. This is new this year. I am not clear yet on whether this is a scam or not, but I don't think it is bad either, that is a long ride.

I looked at the distance today from this house to Dongtan. I agree that is a 5 baht ride.
Look, lots of people LIVE HERE and use the baht buses as our only transport. Just like Thais. Many Thais in Pattaya are richer than me. Why should I pay more than them for a public transport utility?
Why should we ever pay more than is required for anything?
Also consider there are no transfers on baht buses, so sometimes two or three 10 baht rides are needed to get where you are going. Also, they often act flaky and make weird turns, Then you must get off and pay full fare and take another bus. I disagree that most of these drivers are friendly or sane. The vast majority drive and act like maniacs. They drive unsafely, they beep all the time, and they don't slow down for people to safely board the buses. It is common to have to catch people from falling off the buses on boarding. When engaging them as taxis, they almost always try to charge absurd fares and since they all do it, it is really a kind of a MAFIA, and you either pay up or walk.
I once figured if I acted like a tourist and always paid the sucker price, it would cost me 1000 dollars EXTRA per year. That buys me an air ticket to America. I will continue to pay only what is required, not a baht less, not a baht more. I suggest more of you stop caving in to this obnoxious mafia. What we really need are BANGKOK STYLE TAXI METERS in Pattaya as COMPETITION.

Those of you who feel guilty about paying the accepted fare on baht buses have some kind of sick guilt complex cum white man's burden. Pitiful, really. These drivers do not need your sympathy or your charity. Those of you that do, they just think you are stupid water buffalo suckers. They don't respect you for doing that in the least. Do you throw away your money to service workers in your home country?

Another related point:
You might have noticed that it is largely AMERICANS who are becoming very aggressive in protecting their wallets in Thailand. This is obviously related to our impotent DOLLARS. For those of you who feel superior to us with your ROCK HARD CURRENCIES, I suggest you help us out, buy us free meals, free drinks, free offs, and then you will feel much better. You seem to want to redistribute your wealth to poorer countries. We want a piece too!

I do agree that we're probably looking at the thing from different perspectives ie. you live there whereas I go there on holiday and it's certainly true that most people act differently when the go on their hols. That said there must still come a point where you think "it's just not worth bothering about". To me, holiday or not, I'd not be caring about that 5b.
Do I not haggle at the markets? Of course I do but there is a point to that as it is the accepted norm and when you get quoted a price of 3000b for something worth maybe 500b you would be stupid not to.
I also can accept the argument of "it all adds up if you live here". If I paid 5b over the odds for every ride (excluding barboys) I had on my last trip then I'd probably have saved 150b or so overall. On the other hand if I was thinking of moving to Thailand I'd do so in the knowledge that there is a system of double pricing there so I have a choice - either I accept it or choose not to go. I don't like it when people from abroad come to live here in UK and then do nothing but whine that they don't like this or they don't want that or they think this, that or whatever should be changed because it offends them and therefore if I move to Thailand I have to accept it for what it is, warts an' all. The Thai people have the same right to make their rules and even if I choose to live there I'm still a guest in someone else's country.
In any case it seems the dispute is more about principle than numerics. For what it's worth I stayed at View Talay 2 and paid 10b for the ride to Jomtien every time and the boy got 1500b every night. If it should have been 5b and 1000b I really don't care, I was too busy enjoying myself.

Oh one other comment I read was "do you throw away your money to service workers at home?" You mean, do I tip? Yes I do. Waiters, hairdressers, the paperboy - and especially taxi drivers - unlike some utterly miserable stingy bastards who.......oh, gotta go, hire to pick up.

Egads. How many times does it have to be said.
The ride from Pattaya all the way to Jomtien is 10 baht. For Thais AND farangs.
If you need to go really far out Jomtien, be prepared to pay 20 (Thais don't but you do) and if you want to really go far down Jomtien Beach road, the driver will almost always stop the bus and turn you into a 100 baht plus taxi fare. Or walk in the hot sun or cool rain. Enjoy!

There is an exception. If going from Pattaya you need to board at the corner of Pattaya Tai.
If for some reason you took a bus down beach road all the way to Jomtien (not likely but it happens), you won't get away with 10 baht. You need to pay more.

I know tourists and some residents want to keep this simple. But in reality, it isn't. It is conditional. It does depend on the ride and the conditions. For example, if riding crosstown on Pattaya Tai, it makes a difference if the bus is full of locals all paying 5 baht that means YOU CAN TOO. If you are the only one on the bus, you had best pay 10 baht. Another very annoying thing is that some baht bus drivers insist that the farang pay the farang fare for himself and also pay the farang fare for a Thai companion. Do not do this. It is over the top.

I was not referring to TIPS. Double pricing for a baht bus driver is not a tip. It is race based extortion. I meant for things like public service utilities. In the west, you pay the fare. Everybody pays the same fare. End of story. Outside tourist havens like Pattaya, it is the same in Thailand. It is against traditional Thai values to rob from strangers the way these drivers do. Do not act like racial pricing is a good thing. Not worth getting upset about it but don't be so crude as to be on their side.

[x in pattaya]

There is a fare rate sign sometimes seen in baht buses which indicates the maximum fare is B10.

I think you're making this more complicated than it is.


There is an exception. If going from Pattaya you need to board at the corner of Pattaya Tai.
If for some reason you took a bus down beach road all the way to Jomtien (not likely but it happens), you won't get away with 10 baht. You need to pay more.

I have taken a baht bus from the Thai Airways office on Beach Rd near the Dusit and it continued onto Jomtien and only paid B10. I've taken a bus on Pattaya Tai near 3rd and onto Jomtien and paid B10. As I said before, about a week ago I took one bus that travelled all the way from Sukhumvit & North Pattaya, through the roundabout where they often make a u-turn, and all the way down Beach Rd to Pattaya Tai & 2nd Rd and paid B10. I've taken a baht bus from Pattaya Tai near TukCom down to Soi 5 & Jomtien Beach Rd and paid B10

I didn't avoid eye contact or scamper away. In many cases I hand them a B20 and they give me change.

[puckered_penguin]

The baht bus fare within Pattaya is 5 Baht fir Thais and farang. Most farang seem to pay 10 Baht and that is up to them.

There is no price list in a Baht bus stating the minimum fare.

I usually pay 5 Baht and have never experienced any problem. I have lived here 5 years.

[x in pattaya]

There is no price list in a Baht bus stating the minimum fare.

Beg to differ, but there is. It was seen on most buses, but many have taken it down now (because of higher fuel charges most drivers want to charge higher rates than shown on the chart).There was a cross -listing for the hire fares if you hired the bus to take you to a specific location. It showed rates from North Pattaya to South Pattaya, for example if you wanted to hire the bus, not just jump on. At the bottom it stated the maximum fare for an individual on a regular route was B10.


I have lived here 5 years.

Not that it could possibly matter, but I've been using song taeows for 10 years.

Since this article appeared in 2005, I imagine the drivers started "losing" the rate charts around then, although I have still seen them even recently.



Transport cooperatives complain over increased fuel prices

Since the government announced increased prices at the fuel pumps, the trickle down effect is being felt throughout the country. As a result the Pattaya Baht Bus Cooperative recently called for a rise in fares to cope with the increased fuel costs.

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Who said anything about scampering away?
The posted maximum fare is 10 baht. That is the maximum by law. In reality, drivers often do indeed demand more. I can give you hundreds of different experiences with baht bus drivers. Now that would really be boring. Some even positive. It is a totally inconsistent system. Its messy and its a monopoly, so if you rely on it as I do, you just play it as it goes. I don't expect Thailand to be orderly like western countries. But I also don't have to count as a feature crazy, racist, and violent behavior from bus drivers and I am certainly not going to reward them for that with more money than what is the absolute minimum requirement.

That is the maximum by law.

An actual law? Governing baht buses? I highly doubt it.

The 5 baht for a trip to the beach and 650 for power were from the original website, set up several years ago for renting.

I agree, it is now 10 baht from Jomtien to South Pattaya and even from the house near Sugar Hut (which is half way to town) they still want 10 baht. I just pay 10 baht & shut up. About 12 months ago I paid 5 baht to the driver, from the Police Box on Jomtien to Sugar Hut. I gave the fare, & promptly walked away as recommended. Unfortunately, the driver jumped out of the cab and ran after me, grabbing my shirt and screaming in Thai. I pulled out my phone & said OK we wait for the Police, and eventually he calmed down and stomped off. There were about 6 people in the bus! So it's not worth the hassle.
The electricity cost has also been amended to 900 baht from 600.Thanks for reading so carefully.
Cheers!

OK, Topcat, I agree that ride is now 10 baht. It was a grey area. There are many. Sometimes you just want to go a few blocks because it is hot or raining or you want to avoid crossing a busy street. In those cases, definitely FIVE baht.

Also, there is a fair percentage of murderously insane baht bus drivers on the streets. I refuse to be intimidated by them. They are terrorists and should be considered as such. It is true some baht bus drivers are decent human beings you might even want to marry. But so many are bad, you need to be wary of all of them.