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If one wished to travel to Thailand but one had a previous recent conviction for tax evasion would it cause one any difficulty?

If one wished to travel to Thailand but one had a previous recent conviction for tax evasion would it cause one any difficulty?

You need to be a bit clearer. Where was the conviction? And are you wondering if you'll be prevented from leaving your home country, or entering Thailand? Are you on the lam, or have you paid your debt to society?

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Please,



Get on the same flight over here as Thaksin, they'll be far too busy for you!


In seriousness, I can't really see if your country of origin allows you a passport and to travel, any problems at all.

Depends which visa you go for right? Any that involve a police check in your plans?

Sorry for being vague. I'll try again. I live in UK and don't yet have a conviction for tax evasion here but by the looks of things that may change in the coming months / year or so. To be honest the only thing bothering me is that if and when it happens I am worried that my trips abroad, of which I'm very fond, may become more complicated to get permission for. As for the possible impending trip to "the big house" as we call it, at Her Maj's Pleasure, it's a case of "hey ho, such is life". It's not exactly the Bangkok Hilton after all.

Steve,

Your story reminds me of a famous/infamous German national who arrived in Pattata and opened a number of businesses not least a massive German restaurant and Bier Keller. He also had a number of Yachts in Pattaya and was regarded as one of Pattaya's wealthiest men.

He hit major problems in Pattaya after accusations he had avoided paying import tax on one of the Yachts.

Around the same time the German authorities issued an arrest warrant for him regards his great wealth which was the result of theft from an animal charity.

in effect, he was spending money which did not belong to him and was charged with theft and fraud in his country of origin.

He served time in a Thai prison for evading import duty on the Yacht and was deported.

He served time in Germany for the fraud on the charity.

On release, he came back to Thailand and entered via a not so well manned entry point, to visit his child from his Thai wife.

He was re- arrested in Pattaya and deported as an undesirable for serving time in a Foreign prison.

Don't ask me why he was not blacklisted for his Thai offence, I don't know. Maybe, it was because of the Thai wife and family.

He was however, a high profile figure, which I doubt if you are in Thailand.

Blacklisting usually occurs here when you have done something wrong in Thailand or the authorities from your own Country require you and have information you are " hiding out here" to avoid arrest/deportation to your own Country.

Incidentally, They can actually blacklist you here without stating a reason other than they don't welcome you on the grounds you are not good for the Country's image.

If one wished to travel to Thailand but one had a previous recent conviction for tax evasion would it cause one any difficulty?

Once you get to Pattaya you will feel at home. There are more ex cons, thieves, murderers, scum and ex pats wanted by their own countries legal system than anywhere else in the world.

Why else do you think Pattaya is referred to as the trashcan for the lowest of the low of worlds humanity.

Also of course with the new computerised immigration system coming on line any convictions will soo be flagged up at immigation.

If one wished to travel to Thailand but one had a previous recent conviction for tax evasion would it cause one any difficulty?

Once you get to Pattaya you will feel at home. There are more ex cons, thieves, murderers, scum and ex pats wanted by their own countries legal system than anywhere else in the world.

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Yep, They'll give you a big welcome, if the above is correct, what happened to Miami ??? or Australia?? Cuba even???

[Aunty]

If one wished to travel to Thailand but one had a previous recent conviction for tax evasion would it cause one any difficulty?

Well why don't you ring up the Thai embassey in London and ask them? Does a previous conviction and jail sentence for tax (fraud or evasion?) stop a person travelling to Thailand for a holiday?

Of course it doesn't. Do you think the Thai authorities do an international background check on you in the thirty seconds it takes to stamp your passport?

[Aunty]

If one wished to travel to Thailand but one had a previous recent conviction for tax evasion would it cause one any difficulty?

Once you get to Pattaya you will feel at home. There are more ex cons, thieves, murderers, scum and ex pats wanted by their own countries legal system than anywhere else in the world.

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Yep, They'll give you a big welcome, if the above is correct, what happened to Miami ??? or Australia?? Cuba even???

The Australians would give him a medal and, honourary citizenship. They simply adore British criminals.

Of course it doesn't. Do you think the Thai authorities do an international background check on you in the thirty seconds it takes to stamp your passport?


That check at the immigration is to prove passport validity and ensure you are on no blacklist in Thailand or that you are not on any flag list that Interpol have requested assistance from Thailand on. That's it.

So Al Pacino, welcome!

It might seem strange but even if I didn't pay the taxman every penny he thinks he is due I still don't think of myself as a criminal or thief or all round bad egg or whatever. I don't believe I'll even think that when the door clangs shut behind me either. No, I'll still think of myself as an ordinary decent citizen. It's just the other inmates that are criminals, not me.

It might seem strange but even if I didn't pay the taxman every penny he thinks he is due I still don't think of myself as a criminal or thief or all round bad egg or whatever. I don't believe I'll even think that when the door clangs shut behind me either. No, I'll still think of myself as an ordinary decent citizen. It's just the other inmates that are criminals, not me.

So, you don't consider yourself a robbing, thieving, stealing, conniving tax dodging bastard, who's intention was to defraud H.M. The Queen of England??

Maybe, the Judge will see it your way!

Anyone know the score?

Yes Milan 2 Liverpool 1 - Many sad faces on the beach today. I asked on guy how much money he lost. He did not reply but when I suggested 10,000 baht he raised his eyes to indicate more than that.

On the Thai Visa front I'm pretty sure that they do not check for criminal records as some consulates issue them within the hour. Certainly no checks for a Visa free 30 day entry.

I see thgat ex PM Taksin lost his passport in Moscow and has to apply for a new one. I wonder if he will take a ticket and wait in line? His affairs here are under scrutiny for illegal activities - maybe he won't get one!

[Impulse]

I dont consider you a criminal if all you did was evade taxes.There are a lot worse crimes than that.I dont see why you have to serve time either if you pay back the money. I was arrested for assault myself and I view myself as a good guy,and most people who know me would agree. In fact if I had to go to jail I would tell them in no uncertain terms that Im gay so I wouldnt be harrased by the general population.Ive seen enough ladyboys in Thailand to learn a few tricks. :compress:

Oh rocket, "pay back the money"??? Nah, I'd rather rest up a while in the Bar-L than work my butt off for years to pay back what they say I owe. Bit of a discrepancy in our respective opinions regarding the exact amount I'm afraid.

I dont consider you a criminal if all you did was evade taxes.There are a lot worse crimes than that.I dont see why you have to serve time either if you pay back the money. I was arrested for assault myself and I view myself as a good guy,and most people who know me would agree. In fact if I had to go to jail I would tell them in no uncertain terms that Im gay so I wouldnt be harrased by the general population.Ive seen enough ladyboys in Thailand to learn a few tricks. :compress:


Al Capone had the same crimes and the same answers as you Guys, unfortunately for him, The American justice system had a different one!

This will be the same justice system that has kept prisoners for years in Guantanamo Bay without trial, without a lawyer, without any evidence of guilt.......... Well I guess I must be a bad guy then, if the justice system says so.
As it happens, the tax thing is my only crime. The resemblance between myself and Al Capone comes to an end just about there - other than both being 'overweight' I suppose.

Well, if your own government doesn't consider you a "flight risk" why not take a trip? They didn't confiscate your passport did they?

Here in San Francisco we just had one of our city Supervisors have his offices raided by the FBI who are investigating a $40,000 payoff by one of the local businesses. In the middle of all this brouhaha he took off to Hong Kong on Monday for a one week vacation.
His lawyer says he'll be back this coming Monday and the whole town (and local press corps) is waiting on pins and needles to see if he shows up at the airport as scheduled.

If he could take a trip you can take a trip. Just make sure you show up at the Old Bailey when you're supposed to!
(oh, and get a good lawyer too)

In fact if I had to go to jail I would tell them in no uncertain terms that Im gay so I wouldnt be harrased by the general population

Do they actually have a Protective custody wing/unit in Thai Prisons????????????????


You must be joking!

It might seem strange but even if I didn't pay the taxman every penny he thinks he is due I still don't think of myself as a criminal or thief or all round bad egg or whatever. You're in good company, dear boy. There are those who post on this Board who committed multiple criminal offences when younger (mostly buggery) and who hold themselves out as pillars of respectability and insist that we all follow the law in every tiny detail

Sounds like I can still have my travels abroad then when the big event is over. Slightly disappointed that no one offered to have a fundraiser to help me pay back the money rather than see me locked up. Guess they'll be calling me
Billy NoMates inside.
When you getted raped in jail does anyone know if you get to pick who does the raping?

[Bob]

Slightly disappointed that no one offered to have a fundraiser to help me pay back the money rather than see me locked up.

While I still wish you the best, any veiled solicitation for sympathy doesn't fly with me. While your situation could be far different, 99% of the tax evasion cases here in the US involve people with above middle-class incomes (perhaps partly due to the fact that most lower income earners have their taxes withheld and don't have the choice to not pay taxes). While I agree the tax rules suck, those that elect to not pay just make the rest of us pay more. You'll get a fair trial under the English system and, if you did the crime, do the time. Your choice and your responsibility.



When you getted raped in jail does anyone know if you get to pick who does the raping?

(Meant in humor). Well, sorta. One guy, thrown into a cell with a surly-looking body builder, found out the hard way. The body builder grabbed the guy by the neck up against the bars and demanded to know: "Okay, you want to be the husband or do you want to be the wife?!?" The guy, thinking rather quickly, answered: "Um, I guess I'll be the husband!". The body builder then blurted: "Okay, get on your hands and knees and blow your wife!"

Sorry Bob but the message was wholly tongue firmly in cheek. Just trying to make light of the impending situation. I've always been a "make your bed, lie in it" type of person. The only gripe I'll have is that society's wealthy get offshore accounts and loopholes in the law to help them avoid tax whereas us Joe Shmoe guys have to stump up or face the music.

Sorry Bob but the message was wholly tongue firmly in cheek. Just trying to make light of the impending situation. I've always been a "make your bed, lie in it" type of person. The only gripe I'll have is that society's wealthy get offshore accounts and loopholes in the law to help them avoid tax whereas us Joe Shmoe guys have to stump up or face the music.

Steve1903

No sympathy, if you were clever enough to steal it, why weren't you clever enough to hide it correctly. Pay up.

Regards, the wealthy, a lot of those who chose Jersey, Isle of Man etc. as a safe haven, are no longer protected and the UK revenue can walk in and check up on them.

[Aunty]

When you getted raped in jail does anyone know if you get to pick who does the raping?

I'm not sure, ask Bubba about it.

Cheers Aunty, I will do. I just pictured a Pattaya style Inmate Of The Year contest with maybe an underwear section. Don't think they'd have swimwear though - not even in a UK clink.
And kquill, it wasn't so much as being "clever enough to steal it" more a case of being desperate enough. Drastic situations sometimes call for drastic measures.