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April 5th, 2007, 19:44
The video has been removed and the user in the United States BANNED, There is still no word on whether the ICT ban on YouTube will be lifter but the general feeling is NO.

I suppose the URL can be posted here now since the video is no longer there ...




BANGKOK (Reuters) тАФ The anonymous creator of a 44-second video clip mocking Thailand's revered king removed it from the YouTube video-sharing website on Thursday after torrents of abuse from outraged Thai viewers.

The relevant page on YouTube said simply the video had "been removed by the user".

However, Communications Minister Minister Sitthichai Pookaiyaudom said Bangkok's army-backed administration would continue to block YouTube as two images deemed offensive remained.

VIDEO BAN: Thailand blocks YouTube access

"We want those photos off the site too," he told Reuters.
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Earlier, Sitthichai accused YouTube, owned by Internet search engine Google, of being heartless and culturally insensitive for refusing to remove the file.

"We have told them how deeply offended Thais were by the clip, but they said there was much worse ridicule of President Bush on the site and they kept that there," he said.

"I don't think they really care how we feel. Thailand is only a tiny market for them."

The video showed grainy pictures of King Bhumibol Adulyadej, the world's longest-reigning monarch whom many of Thailand's 63 million people regard as a semi-divine "father of the nation", with crude graphics superimposed on his face.

The most offensive image to Thais was the imposition of a pair of woman's feet, the lowest part of the body, on his head.

YouTube, which has dominated the user-generated online video market since it was founded in February last year, said it was disappointed by Bangkok's move and was "looking into the matter".

"YouTube reaches a wide global audience and strives to provide a community where people from around the world can express themselves by sharing videos in a safe and lawful manner," the company said in an e-mail response to Reuters.

Criticising or offending royalty is a serious crime in Thailand. Those found guilty of lese majeste can be jailed for up to 15 years.

Last week, a 57-year-old Swiss man was sentenced to 10 years in jail for spraying graffiti on pictures of the king on his birthday in December, a rare prison term for a foreigner.

However, the generals who ousted elected prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra in a coup last September have also used the lese majeste laws to stifle criticism of themselves or their actions.

Several websites calling into question the southeast Asian nation's 18th coup in 75 years of on-off democracy have been shut down by the army-installed government.

When reports of the offending royal YouTube clip emerged in Thailand, the number of views rocketed by 50,000 in less than 24 hours, according to the site's own data.

It generated a lively debate about freedom of expression although the main reaction from Thais was shock and outrage тАФ and torrents of abuse at the clip's creator, "paddidda", who is based in the United States.


YouTube video, user disappear

(BangkokPost.com) - The offensive slideshow video of His Majesty the King that triggered the government ban on YouTube disappeared from the video-sharing website on Thursday afternoon, and the anonymous user who posted it was banned.

When trying to access the 440-second video on the King, a notice on YouTube said that, "This video has been removed by the user."

Meanwhile, the video site said of the user who uploaded the video under an alias of "paddidda": "This account is closed."

The video could still be found in some YouTube searches, but could not be played.

In less than five days, the video was played more than 66,000 times, almost all of them after the sensational publicity created by Information and Communication Technology Minister Sitthichai Pookaiyaudom and his order to ban YouTube inside Thailand.

It attracted at least 953 comments, almost all of them attacking the video, and most of them rude.

Presumably, full access to YouTube will be resumed, although most Thai users who wanted to see the video had seen it despite the occasionally effective "filtering" of the video site.

Aunty
April 5th, 2007, 20:15
Actually this story is being reported on CNN International as well. Link below.


http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiap ... index.html (http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/04/05/thailand.youtube.reut/index.html)

April 6th, 2007, 04:01
I watched the video. There is no doubt it would be offensive to most Thais but maybe not the southern Muslim Thais. Point is should there be more special treatment because of Thai sensitivities versus a similar video regarding the Queen of England, King of Saudi Arabia or another other public figure. Are Kings and Queens exempt from satire? I've got a great video satire of President Bush. Enjoy



www.glumbert.com/media/roleplay (http://www.glumbert.com/media/roleplay)

jinks
April 6th, 2007, 04:45
Great satire, and like all elected leaders, Bush is an open target.

Kings and Queens are ordained by God and sacristan from this kind of humorous attack.

April 6th, 2007, 06:17
youtube cant ban anyone - they simply get a new user name and enter again!

April 6th, 2007, 11:23
Kings and Queens are ordained by God and sacristan from this kind of humorous attack.

Sacrosanct?

For Kings and Queens, maybe!

Ain't it ALL governments that are instituted by god, Herr Colonel?

April 6th, 2007, 17:17
The video has been removed and the user in the United States BANNED, There is still no word on whether the ICT ban on YouTube will be lifter but the general feeling is NO.


Looks like the ban on YouTube access in Thailand will NOT be lifted any time soon!

""YouTube incident becomes Internet crusade

A new video slideshow attacking His Majesty the King indicates that the dispute, fanned into worldwide front-page headlines by a Thai government ban on YouTube, may have only just begun.

YouTube and Google wiped out the last remnants of the original offensive video slideshow which was uploaded last Sunday to demean the monarch.

The video that triggered the government ban on YouTube disappeared from the video-sharing website on Thursday afternoon, and the anonymous user who posted it was banned.

Some time early Friday morning Thailand time, the last remaining photo of the video in YouTube's search engine archive of the original video had disappeared from view.

But within an hour of the disappearance of the first video and its uploader, a subscriber using the name "thaifreespeech" and claiming improbably to live in Iceland had placed an all new video on YouTube, containing even more offensive images of His Majesty the King than the original.""

See:- http://www.bangkokpost.net/topstories/t ... ?id=117906 (http://www.bangkokpost.net/topstories/topstories.php?id=117906)

April 7th, 2007, 01:29
The Thai government deserves the backlash it's going to get. Who the hell do they think they are expecting youtube to censor videos on their request? Do you see Kazakhstan ordering youtube to take down Borat videos? Or the DPRK taking down videos that make fun of Kim Jong-il? Absurd.

April 7th, 2007, 02:11
Damn! BG: you and I agree on things now and then. :salute:

I think the Thai government's stance on the video has created much more harm than good. The posters on YouTube stated their views about the video quite well and the majority found it offensive. The video would have ultimately lost interest with viewers. Now the issue becomes one of censorship by the military government and has become a bigger issue. Not only does the Thai government look overly restrictive in the eyes of the world, but even its own citizens will question its censorship of opposing political views. Not very smart if you ask me (which no one did).

April 7th, 2007, 08:34
Les Majeste is crime in Thailand, and it carries severe criminal consequences (including death). Please remember that. No government would stand by and allow any corporation to break its laws in this manner nor aid and abet others in breaking such a serious law.

It is not up to me or you or Google to judge if the law is right or wrong, although the law is one very strongly supported by the Thai people. You Tube needs to respect that various images cannot be aired on their worldwide servers because such images might break serious laws in a country.

You Tube does not allow videos of rape, murder, or child porn to be posted (they don't allow any porn). They don't allow "how to commit terrorist acts" videos by terrorist groups. Likewise, they need to abide by the laws of Thailand and not allow videos that clearly commits a capital crime in Thailand.

Pete

April 7th, 2007, 10:45
I have to agree with BG if the responsible Minister had used the blind eye tactic employed by Admiral Nelson this video clip would have been viewed by a couple of hundred people at most and then would have sunk without trace. As it is someone else has now got in on the act and what was a minor blip is now a major incident. Can you imagine if George Bush complained about some of the T shirts in MBK featuring him, I have no doubt that they would not be able to cope with the demand, how many people do you see wearing them? Or how about 9/11 and some of the T Shirts following that, all in very bad taste and you never see them now. We are all used to the trolls and if you take the bait then that is exactly what they are after. Ignore them and they might not go away but they get frustrated and depart to see if they can annoy someone else. As Mary Whitehouse found when she tried to ban The Romans in Britain play, a poor play which would have been taken off in a very short time, following her intervention played to packed houses.

April 7th, 2007, 11:24
The contrast with the British Royal Family is stark. Their convention is that they will never stoop to the(ir) Courts with actions of slander or libel. Hence they have occassionly been subjected to some very unfair abuse. But for the life of me I can't remember most of it ... let me see ... there's an Egyptian shopkeeper with a conspiracy theory, a new Australian, some kind of East European adopting a Scottish name taunts them as "the Germans" in his rag for the lumpen. No wonder they rise above it, and they don't even have the status of deity.

April 7th, 2007, 11:26
The former government of Afghanistan made music and dancing illegal.

Should Google have respected their laws and removed all music and dancing from youtube?

Should Google respect Saudi Arabia's medieval laws and remove everything that could be in violation of them?

April 7th, 2007, 12:24
For the second time I have to agree with everything BG says, I think I will ask the doctor to change my medication.

jinks
April 7th, 2007, 15:55
YouTube discuss ways to end impasse

BANGKOK, Thailand (AP) -- Popular video-sharing Web site YouTube and the Thai government are discussing ways to end an impasse that arose after clips mocking the country's revered king appeared online, a Thai official said Saturday.

Sitthichai Pookaiyaudom, the minister of information and technology, said the government would only remove its ban on the site once it has the technical capacity to block individual offensive pages.

FULL ARTICLE (http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/04/07/thailand.internet.ap/index.html)