Americans, Do you feel good about America?

[gearguy]

Bill Maher in top formтАж.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFjRI5jJ5I4

Cedic, you can find out who Bill Maher is on wikipedia.....

I have just returned from Orange county California and I can tell you with out looking up some unknown entity, no they shoudnt be, nor should they be proud to be one.
Once you get over the shock of shallow insincerity and look deeper, there is nothing left, nothing at all but bad, and I mean incredibly bad service, that every single one of them like begging half-wits demands to be tipped for, continually.

Then there are the crude oil wars........later dude.

[gearguy]

I can be proud to be an American and the good things my country has done in the past and still does in world, at the same time being very distressed about the bad things this administration, probably the most incompetent both how they think and formulate their policies and then how they execute them has done.

I don't like the tendency of the left to label as Fascist and Nazi their opponents on the right because most of the time they don;t understand what Fascism as a political philosophy is all about. But right now we are approaching a potential fascist government in the US if if Romney or Browback or any other wing-nut right-wing gets elected and there is another rubber-stamp Congress.

see http://www.informationclearinghouse.inf ... le4113.htm (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4113.htm)

I better start practicing a new anthem..

"Oh Canada...

I don't like the tendency of the left to label as Fascist and Nazi their opponents on the right Is it worse than those on the Right usng "liberal" or (the truly ultimate) "socialistic" as a term of abuse?

[gearguy]

Fascist and Nazi has become (for good reasons!) pregoritive terms, and while many in the right, think Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, etc (my apologies to the non-Americans), calling a liberal a liberal or a socialist isn;t going to get anyone too upset. Call a right-winger a Nazi and I think you dilute the power of the argument against their ideas and philosophy. Even tho the neo-cons in the US are really fascists (or pretty close it); that was the point of the link on the tenants of fascism.

A closer analogy you could make to abuse a left-winger, is Communist, or Stalinist. Tho most Americans probably couldn't tell you who Uncle Joe was.

or the abuse du-jour, from Ann Coulter, is to call them "faggots". In American right-wing fanatic circles that seems to the
most damninh insult you can hurl.

But I'm not insulted; I am a left-wing, libertarian faggot.

Maybe the entire political system in America is flawed, we on the outside certainly get that impression. Of course we all know the big drive to try and impose their flawed so called democratic system on the Middle East is just a cover for a crude and rather ill conceived attempt to get their hands on more fuel for their gas guzzling nation, but do the Americans even know that we know this or do they even know this about the war? What ever they know or dont know and whatever CNN tells them, they are very fond of pointing the finger at just one man. One wonders what they would be thinking if the war had all gone swimmingly well, would Jeb Bush now be standing in line?

One reason, without spending too much time on the issue of a flawed democracy, is the financing of runners for an election or even the Presidential race itself, all based and financed on money from lobbyist with very particular self interests. Some would call that corruption and rotten to the core, others call it the American dream I suppose?

[Bob]

And the English system, dear Cedric, is so much better and unflawed? There's no doubt the US government has screwed up time and time again, especially since the end of World War II. Then again, there have been several fellow protagonists in the follies including none other than our former rulers at the top of the list.

And the English system, dear Cedric, is so much better and unflawed?When did Cedric propose that the English system was any better, Bob? I don't recall seeing that, and such a proposition would not be in character

[gearguy]

is that Bush would be gone by now. We only have impeachment and then what would we get, Cheney?

is that Bush would be gone by nowReally? Tony Blair is still Prime Minister of the UK and when he goes it will be, more or less, at a time of his own choosing

is that Bush would be gone by nowReally? Tony Blair is still Prime Minister of the UK and when he goes it will be, more or less, at a time of his own choosing

Blair is every bit as pathetic as Bush is. Perhaps more, since he's the follower.

And the English system, dear Cedric, is so much better and unflawed?When did Cedric propose that the English system was any better, Bob? I don't recall seeing that, and such a proposition would not be in character

And its true I never said or implied anything of the sort! I always thought Blair was a traitor to the cause,whatever it is these days there. And as for the house of lords don't get me started, it has already caused a family rift.

[Dboy]

Not feeling good about America, for many reasons. It seems to me that this system is not sustainable in the long-term. The only question is how it breaks, when it breaks, and what the catalyst will be. There's too much money here, "earned" by very stupid, lazy, and greedy people. We've become weak. We're happily handing the southern border region to the mexicans. American morality is so twisted that torture prisons register no interest or worry in the populace. The Iraq war debt registers a number too big to even understand, much less pay off. We have a much longer list of gripes now than we ever did against the English. Taxation without representation? Ahh those were the days. Now, the American people are taxed, and the corporations are represented...MUCH worse in my opinion. What's going on here in the US isn't about Bush, or Blair. It's much bigger.

Dboy

Just so. And what to do about it all, well lower the interest rates of course???? Keep em spending so they wont think too much.

And as for the house of lords don't get me started, it has already caused a family rift.You won't be inheriting the family title after all? :bounce:

[Dboy]

http://www.wellingtongrey.net/miscellan ... t-men.html (http://www.wellingtongrey.net/miscellanea/archive/2007-03-18--of-angels-monkeys-and-fat-men.html)

Dboy

... now have armed police on the street. I am just waiting until we have armed guards, soldiers, store detectives, shop assistants and even bouncers (or has that already happened) on our streets. Where every avenue, road and byway has storm troopers and CCTV watching our every move and all for our own protection. We are rapidly becoming the most watched and regulated people in the world (forget Stalinist Russia, this is true control). Further, the walls are going up and the those who are at the top are pulling up the ladder behind them. I am/was, amazingly enough, a fan of Gordon Brown (Tony Blair's soon to be replacement) but even I was amazed at how he carelessly tossed the poor in our society away with a simple flick of a pen and discarded the 10% income tax for low earners. Don't mention the replacement benefits the poor are supposed to get in tax credits because that is a minefield for accountants to get through let alone someone at the bottom of the earnings barrel.

Yes, we have become America in all it's corporate greed but surpassed even them in terms of how restricted our society is becoming. When you ask what American's think of the US, why not ask what we Brit's think of our own under educated, backward thinking, poverty ridden, chav laden, right wing, goose stepping arse of a nation.

[bucknaway]

This guy is a writer for him

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c

No.

But this too shall pass.

We survived Nixon.
We survived the Depression.
We survived a war and invasion that ruined the economy and burned Washington DC to the ground.

Hell, we even went through a Civil War that killed half a million soldiers and untold civilians and left half the country in ruins.
But we survived.

Stay tuned.... :occasion8:

No.

But this too shall pass.

We survived Nixon.
We survived the Depression.
We survived a war and invasion that ruined the economy and burned Washington DC to the ground.

Hell, we even went through a Civil War that killed half a million soldiers and untold civilians and left half the country in ruins.
But we survived.

Stay tuned.... :occasion8:

hmm but more than 6 million Vietnamese civilians never did survive. Shall this too pass?

hmm but more than 6 million Vietnamese civilians never did survive. Shall this too pass?Everything does, Cedric. But I guess you're too young to realise that just yet. No-one talks much about the hundreds of thousands, if not millions, who died (pointlessly, from our perspective now) in the trenches during the Great War. All the moral outrage has gone. Everything passes. My guess is that you've yet to understand the great human values of compassion and forgiveness and humility. Perhaps you never will. I suggest some meditation during the coming Holy Week on the Four Noble Truths from Buddhism on Monday to Thursday, and then the Passion itself on Friday. That may help you to understand what the Resurrection is really about (versus the Christian shibboleths) by the time we've gone through Easter (I pass all that on, by the way, from my cousin, also named Cedric, the gay bishop - http://www.sawatdee-gay-thailand.com/fo ... .php?e=310 (http://www.sawatdee-gay-thailand.com/forum/weblog_entry.php?e=310) )

....hmm but more than 6 million Vietnamese civilians never did survive. Shall this too pass?

Well, lets see...
They survived a 300 year Chinese Occupation.
They survived a 100 year French Occupation.
They survived a 20 year American Occupation.

Yeah, I think they'll be ok.

In 100 years it will all be a footnote, like the Russo-Japanese War or the Boer War.

So the holocaust is no more than a foot note in history? More innocent civilians where slaughtered poisoned or burnt by the Americans in Vietnam than soldiers or civilians were killed by the Germans or anyone else during the entire second world war, way more, and this shall just pass?

I don't think so. This is perhaps wishful thinking. Until Americans can learn from their war mongering what is there to forgive? America is the most irresponsible nation on our planet, and holds more weapons of mass destruction than any other nation on our planet. I think those "foot notes in history" will continue to teach everyone, except the Americans who it seems are never able to learn anything. They are drugged by consumerism and too fat to bother. The army will work it all out they will secure oil to keep the engines turning. One American soldiers death for them too many? Eat your heart out, there are more idiots waiting in line.
The only rumblings ever to come out of that paralysed stupor, come after the damage has long been done, more like a belch and a slight indigestion than a protest. Lower the interest rates it will pass?

only rumblings... or childish ramblings?

[gearguy]

You really need to learn how to use google.

Estimate vary of course but most sources cite Vietnamese civilian casualties at between
1 to 4M.

In 1976 the population of Vietnam (north and south) was around 41M; the population in 2006 is around 81M

The WW2 civilian casualties are est. at around 61M for the allied nations and 11M for the axis nations. Poland lost the
most, almost 17% of the pre-war population, the Soviet Union, 14%, Germany 10%, UK 1% and the US .3%

70% of Holocaust deaths were from Poland and the Soviet Union (4M of an est 5.7M).

All of this information can be found from a variety of sources on the web, with references.

You make good points, Cedec, but the power of you arguments are diluted by your hyperbole and
disregard for facts.

Isn't this always the case, where you want to get your statistics from and which you choose to believe? Its called propaganda.

Geez Cedric, you really are becoming a Crank.
Who said anything about the Holocaust????
And if America is the only country that never learns from history what then is Britian's excuse for wading into this mess in Iraq? And just when you think Blair might finally be coming to his senses he decides to try to pick a fight with Iran. Now what's with that?

What I was saying in my original post is that Bush and Co. have less than 2 years left in office and once he's gone these loopy policies will be gone. The Neo-Con dream of a Pax Americana is in tatters. The government is broke and can't afford to borrow much longer. The military is broken and can't get involved in any more adventures for a couple of years. Americans are pretty much sick and tired of this bum and his cronies hence he has lower approval ratings than even Nixon at his lowest. The 2006 elections were a repudiation of his Presidency and now he no longer has a rubber-stamp congress to do his bidding.
His reviled Sec. of Defense is gone. His even more reviled Vice-President is a sick old man who probably won't live much past the end of his term. His Attorney General (the one who thought torture was such a good idea) is on the way out.

What's more important is he doesn't have anyone in the wings to pass the baton to once he's out of office. The 2 likely Republican candidates both hate Bush and his crew and most of his policies.
The next President is going to have a hell of a mess to clean up. But it will get cleaned up.

The Neo-Con dream of a Pax Americana is in tatters. The government is broke and can't afford to borrow much longer. The military is broken and can't get involved in any more adventures for a couple of years. Americans are pretty much sick and tired of this bum and his cronies hence he has lower approval ratings than even Nixon at his lowest. The 2006 elections were a repudiation of his Presidency and now he no longer has a rubber-stamp congress to do his bidding.
His reviled Sec. of Defense is gone. His even more reviled Vice-President is a sick old man who probably won't live much past the end of his term. His Attorney General (the one who thought torture was such a good idea) is on the way out.
What's more important is he doesn't have anyone in the wings to pass the baton to once he's out of office. The 2 likely Republican candidates both hate Bush and his crew and most of his policies.
The next President is going to have a hell of a mess to clean up. But it will get cleaned up.

You paint a very rosy and bright picture of America today. Dont forget the very promising and hopefully near complete collapse of the property market there.
I expect Blairs actions are partially tied in with the fact that he (singularly) is one of the only remaining few American allies left in the world. The British spies captured in Iran waters recently may also of course be playing some small part, but when he thinks he has this kind of backing he is going to bark his silly little head off isn't he.

[Dboy]

Geez Cedric, you really are becoming a Crank.
Who said anything about the Holocaust????
And if America is the only country that never learns from history what then is Britian's excuse for wading into this mess in Iraq? And just when you think Blair might finally be coming to his senses he decides to try to pick a fight with Iran. Now what's with that?

What I was saying in my original post is that Bush and Co. have less than 2 years left in office and once he's gone these loopy policies will be gone. The Neo-Con dream of a Pax Americana is in tatters. The government is broke and can't afford to borrow much longer. The military is broken and can't get involved in any more adventures for a couple of years. Americans are pretty much sick and tired of this bum and his cronies hence he has lower approval ratings than even Nixon at his lowest. The 2006 elections were a repudiation of his Presidency and now he no longer has a rubber-stamp congress to do his bidding.
His reviled Sec. of Defense is gone. His even more reviled Vice-President is a sick old man who probably won't live much past the end of his term. His Attorney General (the one who thought torture was such a good idea) is on the way out.

What's more important is he doesn't have anyone in the wings to pass the baton to once he's out of office. The 2 likely Republican candidates both hate Bush and his crew and most of his policies.
The next President is going to have a hell of a mess to clean up. But it will get cleaned up.

The Brits didn't really wade into Iraq...they um, kinda created it.

Also I disagree on your opinion that the 2008 will make a difference. Frankly, both sides want Iraq's oil. We might get an *appearance* of change, but no, the US is in Iraq for the long term.


Dboy

Youre right, its what Bush wants, and the Democrats, they all want crude oil, just the latter wants to win an election too. I wonder if Blairs latest deal with Iran is a tap on the nose for Bush.

... they all want crude oil ...If that's true they're going about it in a very silly way. All they would have to do is secure the oil fields and the distribution infrastructure, ignoring Baghdad altogether. Instead they're ignoring the infrastructure, leaving the oilfields to the Iraqis and trying to pacify the country. Apart from assertions by the Left as to the "true" reasons for the war there's never been the slightest scintilla of evidence that access to Iraq's oil is more than a secondary or even incidental reason. When the neo-cons state that the reason for war is to topple Saddam and introduce a democratic regime into Iraq so as to "leaven" the Middle East, there is no evidence to give reason to doubt that that was their primary goal. That their ideas are naive was obvious to everyone but the Americans, and the French President must bathe in schadenfreude every time he thinks of it

[Aunty]

That their ideas are naive was obvious to everyone but the Americans,...............

And not to their partner in crime the British as well? Come come now, Beryl, I mean really, who are you trying to fool?

... they all want crude oil ...If that's true they're going about it in a very silly way. All they would have to do is secure the oil fields and the distribution infrastructure, ignoring Baghdad altogether. Instead they're ignoring the infrastructure, leaving the oilfields to the Iraqis and trying to pacify the country. Apart from assertions by the Left as to the "true" reasons for the war there's never been the slightest scintilla of evidence that access to Iraq's oil is more than a secondary or even incidental reason. When the neo-cons state that the reason for war is to topple Saddam and introduce a democratic regime into Iraq so as to "leaven" the Middle East, there is no evidence to give reason to doubt that that was their primary goal. That their ideas are naive was obvious to everyone but the Americans, and the French President must bathe in schadenfreude every time he thinks of it

Obviously gleaming Beryl is trying to fool himself, agreed Bush is not a very clever man. There is also certainly the neo-con angle to the whole sorry mess, and the Jewish lobby and and and, but try and keep focus on the fact that Bush comes from a line of grubby oil merchants, it is these "special" interest groups that put him in power in the first place. The problems Bush has encountered in trying to secure oil supply from the region is that his lack of intelligent strategy has more or less left the oil on the wrong side of the ruling government, he needs more time but probably will not get it easily. The Shi'ite's in southern Iraq sit on the prime oil fields and quite rightly assume they can finance an autonomous state from these massive deposits. The Americans biggest fear is of course the break up of Iraq, and the ability of that country to hold steady to any oil deals post a departed America.

Its a long story and my interest is waning, but it would naive in the extreme to think America had no interest in possibly the largest oil fields left on the planet, more than some estimated untapped 115-billion barrels of the stuff and 110 trillion cubic feet of natural gas to boot. Ultimately if America cannot secure its debtors in the region sufficiently it will have lost more than just the war, it could really hurt. War is a money making enterprise for America, make no mistake. One thing you cannot accuse them of being and that is altruistic.

As for the British Ha ha ha,they will take what ever they get thrown, the scraps from the table of the spoils of war. And its looking unfortunately, for all their arse creeping parasitic mercenary wheezing, like it will not amount to very much. I agree the "French president" Chirac, even though he is having problems of his own right now as the time grows ever nearer for him to face his own skeletons in the closet, but for short relief I am sure will certainly be having a chortle at the Americans expense, and even more so at that of the British prime minister Tony Blair.

... my stalker is back. Fortunately I have the {Ignore} option on for Aunty - and I'm surprised that she can take time out from a busy life of dissecting amoebae. My biology master tried to incite us to demand of the maths master whether he knew of anything that could both divide and multiply at the same time. Aunty has devoted her life's work to it. I believe it's because Aunty's brain feels least challenged when dealing with other single-cell organisms, although watching an amoeba divide must provide a tinge of jealousy

[Aunty]

... my stalker is back. Fortunately I have the {Ignore} option on for Aunty - and I'm surprised that she can take time out from a busy life of dissecting amoebae. My biology master tried to incite us to demand of the maths master whether he knew of anything that could both divide and multiply at the same time. Aunty has devoted her life's work to it. I believe it's because Aunty's brain feels least challenged when dealing with other single-cell organisms, although watching an amoeba divide must provide a tinge of jealousy


BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :cheers: :bounce: :cheers: :bounce: :cheers: :bounce: :cheers: :bounce:

Now that is truly funny. But, Beryl, don't you wanna tweak my beautiful pink teats anymore??? And I've gone to all that trouble to freshly powder them just for you.

By the way, dear, I believe you, but thousands wouldn't.

[Dboy]

... they all want crude oil ...If that's true they're going about it in a very silly way. All they would have to do is secure the oil fields and the distribution infrastructure, ignoring Baghdad altogether. Instead they're ignoring the infrastructure, leaving the oilfields to the Iraqis and trying to pacify the country. Apart from assertions by the Left as to the "true" reasons for the war there's never been the slightest scintilla of evidence that access to Iraq's oil is more than a secondary or even incidental reason. When the neo-cons state that the reason for war is to topple Saddam and introduce a democratic regime into Iraq so as to "leaven" the Middle East, there is no evidence to give reason to doubt that that was their primary goal. That their ideas are naive was obvious to everyone but the Americans, and the French President must bathe in schadenfreude every time he thinks of it

I wouldn't call it naive or silly. You don't grab the actual oil now, what you grab is oil contracts and access to the Iraqi (puppet) government, blocking competitors. And the US megabases are all being built in a line following the future pipeline route.



there's never been the slightest scintilla of evidence that access to Iraq's oil is more than a secondary or even incidental reason

you might want to check out the "production sharing agreements" currently in the works. Those agreements are going to allow US oil companies to steal Iraqi oil from the Iraqi people (who are the rightful owners) in a "legal" way: http://www.motherjones.com/washington_d ... ement.html (http://www.motherjones.com/washington_dispatch/2007/03/iraqi_oil_agreement.html)

тАЬOil in the next war will occupy the place of coal in the present war, or at least a parallel place to coal. The only big potential supply that we can get under British control is the Persian [now Iran] and Mesopotamian [now Iraq] supplyтАж Control over these oil supplies becomes a first class British war aim.тАЭ Sir Maurice Hankey, BritainтАЩs First Secretary of the War Cabinet, 1918




Dboy

What has thick black gooey stuff under it and lies between Iraq and Afghanistan?

I wouldn't call it naive or silly. You don't grab the actual oil now, what you grab is oil contracts and access to the Iraqi (puppet) government, blocking competitors. And the US megabases are all being built in a line following the future pipeline route.I forgot that the ardent conspiracy theorist is immune to common sense

[Dboy]

I forgot that the ardent conspiracy theorist is immune to common sense

why don't you enlighten us all and tell us the *real* reason for the Iraq war? btw, in a real democracy, if the populace
wanted a religious leader as president, that leader would be elected president. So if you use "democracy" in your response,
be sure to use the "quotes", because Iraq "democracy" is what in Texas we refer to as "bullshit".


a side note:

AP is reporting---
"Four British soldiers тАФ including two women тАФ died Thursday in an ambush that Prime Minister
Tony Blair called an "act of terrorism," suggesting it may have been carried out by elements linked to
Iran but stopping short of blaming Tehran."

fill in the blanks:

When US/UK/Israel ambushes an enemy, its called __________. When insurgent forces do the same fucking thing, its called __________________.



Dboy

[Dboy]

What has thick black gooey stuff under it and lies between Iraq and Afghanistan?

democracy?

This is not the first of the Oil Wars - its the LAST of the Oil Wars.
Trying to go out and grab resources militarily just doesn't work as the Japanese and Germans discovered. The whole idea is so 20th century. Its no surprise that the archetects of this war were all holdovers from the old Ford administration in the 70's.. Back then everyone was in a panic with the oil shocks and "Club of Rome" predictions that we were running out of everything and we'd all be eating Soylent Green by the year 2000. What we are seeing is the last gasp of Old Thinking from Old Men.
The world is too economically interconneted now for any country to "go it alone". The cost of this stupid war ($300 billion and counting) are greater than the marginal benefit from all the cheap oil we can get out of Iraq. The whole world is learning that the days of the oil based economy are coming to and end.

Oh, we'll still have war alright. They'll just be about different things.

Oh, we'll still have war alright. They'll just be about different things.

Two of my Japanese friends (who live in different continents) think the next major war will be when China grabs Taiwan, then Korea, then Japan.

Clearly, Taiwan is being "fingered" for the coming event...and who or what will stand in the motherland/middle kingdom's way?

why don't you enlighten us all and tell us the *real* reason for the Iraq war?I see no reason to doubt the architects of the war, that it was to spread the idea of democracy in the Middle East through creating a democratic state in the region that might act as a leaven to the rest of the area. Equally, I accept that just as the original aim was naive, so those same architects believed their own bullshit (a strongly American trait, I'm afraid), that introducing the democratic form of government would automatically bring in participants wedded to the democratic ideal of an open society committed to the rule of law

When they found out (what any sophisticated European could and did tell them would happen), that the general populace, lacking the benefits that the Enlightenment has given to the general population in the West - a (generally) deeply embedded scepticism - turned around and opted for demagogues rather than democrats, those self-same architects called "foul", took their bat and ball, and went home

The trouble with people like you (ie. Americans), Dboy dear boy, is that you are incapable of sophisticated reasoning, the sweep of history, subtleties and nuances, and all the other panoply that members of my family such as Aunty and I, not to mention North Star, employ in our thoughtful analyses of the world at large. But then, none of us are Americans whose "thought" processes start and finish with the conspiracy theory and solely linear reasoning (such as it is)

I was sitting at lunch the other day with a group of breeders, all American, all urbanites, who spent a considerable part of the meal discussing the joys of introducing their young offspring to guns. While such a conversation might be conceivable in the English countryside, it's certainly not something that would take up any of the time of English town dwellers of a similar class and culture. The Americans really are different

why don't you enlighten us all and tell us the *real* reason for the Iraq war?I see no reason to doubt the architects of the war, that it was to spread the idea of democracy in the Middle East through creating a democratic state in the region that might act as a leaven to the rest of the area. Equally, I accept that just as the original aim was naive, so those same architects believed their own bullshit (a strongly American trait, I'm afraid), that introducing the democratic form of government would automatically bring in participants wedded to the democratic ideal of an open society committed to the rule of law

When they found out (what any sophisticated European could and did tell them would happen), that the general populace, lacking the benefits that the Enlightenment has given to the general population in the West - a (generally) deeply embedded scepticism - turned around and opted for demagogues rather than democrats, those self-same architects called "foul", took their bat and ball, and went home

The trouble with people like you (ie. Americans), Dboy dear boy, is that you are incapable of sophisticated reasoning, the sweep of history, subtleties and nuances, and all the other panoply that members of my family such as Aunty and I, not to mention North Star, employ in our thoughtful analyses of the world at large. But then, none of us are Americans whose "thought" processes start and finish with the conspiracy theory and solely linear reasoning (such as it is)

I was sitting at lunch the other day with a group of breeders, all American, all urbanites, who spent a considerable part of the meal discussing the joys of introducing their young offspring to guns. While such a conversation might be conceivable in the English countryside, it's certainly not something that would take up any of the time of English town dwellers of a similar class and culture. The Americans really are different

CRAP! Thats probably exactly what middle America believes too even with Bushes unpopularity reaching an all time high, and that is exactly how the war was even possible, that and the war on terror and the very sick abuse of 9-11. Hom-turd even the white house has moved forward I believe you should too. Its no longer a secret and the oil deal has been done by America drawing up a law ensuring the rights to massive exploitation of some 90% of Iraqi oil with 30year contracts to big oil companies like Exxon, heck even Dick Cheney was head of the oil services company Halliburton, smell and crude in your pipe dreams yet? It was indeed Cheney who said the world is going to need an additional 50 million barrels of oil a day by 2010, thats two years away..........and this is the vice president, even the president himself comes from a sleasy family of oil middle men and dealers you think this is just all coincidence!!!!

The chances of it all going wrong however are satisfyingly high. Here's hoping. And Iran with the second largest oil reserves after Saudi Arabia? "Weepens of mass destruction"? Sound familiar? Thank fuck Bush is on his way out, a pathetic shell of a creature that has brought more blood shed and destabilisation to the world even than his shit head "daddy".

.... Thank fuck Bush is on his way out, a pathetic shell of a creature that has brought more blood shed and destabilisation to the world even than his shit head "daddy".

Well Ceddie, we may be on the same page after all! :cheers:

Another reason for hope Ceddie (and all you crazy Europeens) is the goofy left wing of the Democratic Party - the "San Francisco Democrats" so reviled by the Right Wing- is now coming into control in Washington. Both Senators from California, Boxer and Feinstein are frm San Francisco. The Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi is from San Francisco (and MY district :cheers: ). The head of the House Foriegn Relation Committee, Tom Lantos (a hungarian-jew and Holocaust survivor) is from the district just south of SF.
And our handsome Mayor Gavin Newsom legalized Gay Marriage just to stick it to GB.
Amazing what a bunch of Hippies, Fags and Headbangers can do! :hippy2: :sex: :headbang:

Heck, we even invented the Internet :laughing6:

CRAP! Thats probably exactly ... Thank fuck Bush is on his way out, a pathetic shell of a creature that has brought more blood shed and destabilisation to the world even than his shit head "daddy".I see some of Aunty Tourette's bad habits have rubbed off on you, Young Master Cedric - no wonder you're a Mutual Admiration Society. We must agree to disagree, although I'm not sure how one can disagree with someone whose exactitude of thought runs to terms like "probably exactly"
:drunken:

Good point Turd, although a bit anal and obfuscatory, one could easily think your mind had run dry , still, its always nice to have someone concerned about ones use of grammar, it's like having a personal fuck hole cleaner.

I cannot pride myself on having an absolute finger on the pulse of middle America, but it is what I believe they have to be thinking now, considering the fact that their sons and daughters are still out there fighting the "good" cause. Some tragically never to return. For them it is obviously not much relief, but at least their bodies will be returning. I know it is not much, but there is the caring side to uncle Sam we mustn't overlook. Its not all so bleak after all.

Ps Hom what is an inflection template?

Ps Hom what is an inflection template?I suggest you refer to Tourette's favourite textbook - Wikipedia

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Ps Hom what is an inflection template?I suggest you refer to Tourette's favourite textbook - Wikipedia

Wikipedia is not a textbook, dumbass.