What do you think of Gay Marrages, an amazing answer here

[Bob]

.........well Im afraid I could not agree with him more hole heatedly


Freudian slip there?

He does not address the issue of so called 'gay' so-called 'marriage'. The fact is some people who are, to use a label, 'homosexual' choose a long term partner, to the exclusion of others, or not. Whatever, it is their choice. It is tragic that if one were to die then pension rights, etc., do not accrue, or did not accrue. This is inequality. Human Rights legislation forced this change. Human Rights legislation is a good thing. I know what SNB means for I too belonged to his lost world. It is not so much that things have gone though, rather, they have changed. Frankly, I would not go back. I know of people from those days, decent people, who spent time in prison or suffered nastiness which could not happen today. I think on the whole his remarks are merely personal, anecdotal, and I would go to the barricades to protect his right to making them. But I do not have to agree with them. Long live the New Order.

"The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence," but it's never greener than the grass on the side of the fence you were on when you finally make it to the other side and are looking back at where you came from.

(And if there's a prize for convolutedness the above sentence has to be a contender.)

Sometimes I just can't stand me either!

or it was when I was young. Much more fum without the spotlight.

I can't imagine why fags or dykes want to get married apart from maybe a few financial reasons like superannuation.

But I can see why David Furness got Elton down that aisle asap..shared ownership of assets. Oh Yes !

Oh Edith honey, that was fabulous!!! :lol:

SNB's comment cannot be a serious thought on the subject of legal equality for gay men.

It can be a fascinating piece of nostalgia for the lost "twilight world of the homosexual".

Too many men spent their lives in fear, being blackmailed, trapped and imprisoned, and their lives in prison were not an endless porn film, but endless fear of violence and pain. Nostalgia is a dangerous set of "rose-tinted spectacles".

For me, at last I have real hope that my boyfriend will have the chance to come and live with me in my home country, if we choose to use the partnership law in the UK. That is something to celebrate, and something the people of the UK can be justly proud of. As for the twilight world of the United States of America, I can only say I wish you could be free and respected in your own country too.

[mikelele-old]

No one and nothing has been able to prevent gay men from loving and or having sex with anyone they desired. Marriage is not an obstacle or a hindrance to the 'fun' some may have found in obscurity. Same-sex marriage is not a proof of fidelity, and I am certain that same-sex partners married or otherwise might still enjoy 'illicit' sex. Marriage for me is really about the for-life legal stuff.

Okay, maybe not 'marriage' but some kind of legal acknowledgemnt of the ties that bind. And an acknowledgement of the attendant rights of life-partners regardless of gender or sexual orientation.

I would like to know without the shadow of a doubt that when the time comes, I and my partner would have the unquestionable right to be beside each other in a hospital room for example, or to be able to make important decisions for each other should either one of us become incapacitated, or to know for certain that my bequests would go, unchallenged, to my partner should I so wish it. And that we would have the right to live where we wish and raise and protect a family. IMHO. =)

The only long-term relationship to which I am wed is the one with the radical lesbians who state that the gay marriage notion is simply another form of assimilation. Come on, Surfcrest, tell us all about assimilation and its virtues. Domesticate a queer today

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[elephantspike]

Congratulations, Baziel. You live in Belgium, don't you? Is it a fully legalized same-sex marriage there? I live about 150 miles from Vermont, which is one of the few US states that has such a thing. Please do post wedding pics in your blog or personal album.

Anything that gives legal precedence of my estate to my partner over my sister and the taxman has to be progress.

Most of my friends have not led lives in any way similar to the that of Mr. Bell. Most would not like their partners to have to sell the nest after their demise, as did Lord Montague's Japanese partner. I wonder how much this Bill is owed to that debacle and Lord Ali's knowledge of it.

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Best Wishes for the 9th Baz. It's true that the UK lags Europe in much social legislation and often ends up directed by Strasbourg. We have a penchant for muddling through and are really very tolerant ... even of your re-arrangement of our language. Please keep posting that way - your meaning is usually crystal clear.

Dear Baziel honey,

If you mean the UK lags behind on the adoption issue, then the good news is that from today we are not lagging any more! It is now legal for same-sex couples to adopt children in the UK.

It really does feel like a move on for us here. After so many years of being told we are a lower form of life, the UK has passed laws which guarantee our freedom to choose and have our choices respected.

Assimilation? I have never been a radical lesbian, but I have been an activist in the past, and most of what we were working for has now been achieved. Of course I have no wish to copy the institution of heterosexual marriage, and certainly not their rate of divorce. But I want to have the legal right to bring my Thai partner to live with me in London, and to have his rights protected.

I have no wish to adopt a child either, and thankfully neither has my boyfriend, but I want other gay men to have that choice.

We cannot discount the psychological and spiritual effect on gay men of constantly being told in so many areas of their lives that they are of less value than others in the same society. Fianlly the message to young gay people in the UK is one of valuing and respecting them. It will take some years to see the full effects of this change, but I for one really celebrate it.

Trickyrich said
We cannot discount the psychological and spiritual effect on gay men of constantly being told in so many areas of their lives that they are of less value than others in the same society.

This is probably the wisest thing I've read on those boards. Merely clicking applause seemed too small praise. Many thanks TR.

You are very wise TR, i am agree but there is a lot more to do. We are examples for all non believers all over the wold, and those egoist moral fundamentalist, we are not sexual perverts but have family morals and gives children a fut er . This in a wold where so many children die from hunger or AIDS. To all those egoist moral fundamentalist i like to say open your eyes, Chance your morals and let us work for a better wold together.

I am happy to hear in UK you can adopt children, TR, seems i walking behind ha ha ha. Me and my friend also not adopt children, we are to busy and i getting to old ha ha ha. But i love the happiness for all those have to clean pampers, wake up in the middle off night for stop crying ha ha ha.

We cannot discount the psychological and spiritual effect on gay men of constantly being told in so many areas of their lives that they are of less value than others in the same society
That is because so many of you are (sad) conformists. I have never doubted my own worth and have treated with the contempt it deserves others who have tried to belittle my self-esteem. Too many people really want to be victims because it's just too hard to be otherwise

I should state clearly, by the way, that I believe that everyone should be free to dispose their property as they see fit and in principle I believe in the free movement of individuals provided they do not become an economic drag on their country of adoption. However that is because I am an unabashed globalisationist, believing passionately in the free market and liberal democracy. It's the damn lefties I can't stand, who want the benefits without the consequences :roll:

As you bring us your liberal vision and lifestyle, in Belgium we have a government from lefties and liberals together. Thanks to them , lefties and liberals we have a lot more vision and open mind about ethic questions.
About the moral fundamentalist, i have seen them on TV , bringing bad arguments about gay people and children adoption. They think there moral must protect the wold from gay people like us. They very hypocrite as i hear gay people are tolerated as long we not show off gay . Well i am what i am nobody Chance that !

[Smiles]

by Homintern
" ... Too many people really want to be victims because it's just too hard to be otherwise ... "
America is the Land 'o Victims ... and I blame it all on that old dear who spilled hot coffee on her own crotch at a McDonalds some years ago. And then she sued them for negligence.

However, if I were an intellectual and historian I might well take it back to a dude nailed to a cross a few thousand years ago. Western civilization will never live that one down.
Shiite Muslims are also heavily into victimhood-cum-S&M . . . . a potent combination.

A photo of some agitated Americans at a rally in Orange County for victims of accidents in McDonalds outlets:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v18/sawatdeephotos/Images2/shiite.jpg

Cheers ...

I've thought long and hard about America and the victim mentality. Apart from the native Americans and African Americans, for whom being a victim is sooooo much easier, Americans don't want someone to blame so much as someone to punish. The whole society revolves around crime and punishment to an extraordinary degree. I blame the Puritan settlers, myself

So fuck marriage and equal rights! A little police harassment now seems a small price to have paid for the excitement of living in that secret underground society which flourished when queer was still the label. Living on the outside - being able to see the world from an objective position, being able to avoid its worst aspects while finding your own individual way of life that's what being gay seemed to offer.

Sounds like he doesn't feel like a special little naughty boy any more. I wonder if, in 50 years, the animal, child and corpse fuckers, not to mention the feces eaters, will reminisce about the good old days of immoral condemnation in the same way?

Hey !!! We did fuck before marriage and go fuck aft her marriage, so what's the differences ?

Sounds like he doesn't feel like a special little naughty boy any more. I wonder if, in 50 years, the animal, child and corpse fuckers, not to mention the feces eaters, will reminisce about the good old days of immoral condemnation in the same way?

Leave the corpse fuckers out of this! When you insult me you insult my boyfriend! He's not dead, he's just...lazy.

Shiite Muslims are also heavily into victimhood-cum-S&M . . . . a potent combination.

Gee, I knew they are horny but, 'cum, S&M, potent, combinations!...' my New York taxi driver, Bal, never got past the, 'cum' and 'potent' bits. Oh, well...I had to love him; he could out-cuss me, was so ugly he was cute--And sucked like a drain! Did I mention: (kosher) hamm mahk-mahk?