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ChrisUK
December 16th, 2006, 21:35
This fourth part of my experiment covers a two month period from October to December to be closely followed by a three month period from January to April. This was to allow me the experience of spending 5 out of the six months which would include the UK Winter period. ItтАЩs a bit short of the ideal six months here, six months there compromise which I had settled on following my previous experimental periods, but will permit me to evaluate my final plans for my continuing retirement.

The previous reports on my experimental stages can be read either on my blog at:
http://www.sawatdee-gay-thailand.com/fo ... g.php?w=25 (http://www.sawatdee-gay-thailand.com/forum/weblog.php?w=25)

Or in the Resource forum at:
http://www.sawatdee-gay-thailand.com/fo ... php?t=6755 (http://www.sawatdee-gay-thailand.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6755)
http://www.sawatdee-gay-thailand.com/fo ... php?t=2197 (http://www.sawatdee-gay-thailand.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2197)
http://www.sawatdee-gay-thailand.com/fo ... 54&start=0 (http://www.sawatdee-gay-thailand.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6954&start=0)

Posters replies to my reports can be read on the links to the Resource forum.

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My Preparations for this trip included obtaining a Multiple Entry Non-Immigrant O Visa (Valid for 12 months), costing ┬г90, from the local Thai consulate in the UK. This was to allow me to make a planned three trips during the next year from the UK and to allow me to visit neighbouring countries if I wished without it cancelling my Visa.

This trip was never going to be the exciting, new experience of excursions and adventures, rather a settling down process for a comfortable life as if I was at home, but with a warmer climate and more interesting social life.

Well, it didnтАЩt take long to settle in, thanks to the fact that I was in the same apartment as previously and, having kept in contact with several expats and frequent or long-stay visitors, was soon in the company of friends who readily encompassed me in their regular routines. I had spent the first couple of days in Bangkok, as usual, to quickly remind myself I was no longer in the grip of the UK. Visits to the Babylon, several bars and DJ Station resurrected the mind-blowing experience of the beautiful people who welcome me to Thailand. I stayed at the Plaza Hotel on Suriwong Road, for a change and found it more than satisfactory, having booked in advance via www.asiatravel.com (http://www.asiatravel.com) on the net. The price per night was 1199Bt, including breakfast buffet. I never take friends back to the hotel in Bangkok, so the joinerтАЩs fee of 500Bt didnтАЩt bother me. The location was ideal, being just a 10 minutes slow walk to the Suriwong gay areas.

I purchased a new standard SIM card for 450Bt and 300Bt worth of top-up for my Thai mobile phone from the top floor of the Silom Center so that I could get in touch with friends in Pattaya to warn them of my arrival. My transfer from Bangkok to Pattaya went smoothly by coach (тАЬbig busтАЭ), with door to door service for 450Bt booked through the travel agency in the lobby of the Rose Hotel. The start and end of the journey was by minibus, organised by the coach company.

I was soon in the company of friends who, during the next few days, explained the changes that had occurred since my last trip nine months previously and took me to bars and restaurants, some old favourites and some new ones. I have to say that the atmosphere for me had changed for the better, regarding the quality of both the bars and the restaurants. Some soon became regular stops on the nightly programme of events. The nights always started with a quality meal at one of the many restaurants giving value for money for between 200 тАУ 300Bt for a fine and adequate meal. For those with big appetites, most offered a buffet for at least part of the meal. Special mention has to be given to two, - the Clubbing Restaurant in Sunnee Plaza and Ol├й (ErnestoтАЩs) Restaurant a short walk away near Koenig Mansion. I also enjoyed several meals in the various places in the Day-Night area.

Unfortunately, I arrived in what seemed like the middle of an epidemic of colds, flue and bronchitis. Within a few days, I succumbed to the inevitable and after a week of being unwell, I went to the Banglamung Clinic on South Pattaya Road where, over the course of two visits, I received two inoculations and four different types of pills to take over the following week. The cost of the consultation and treatment was 920Bt. Thankfully, having been diagnosed with influenza, it cured the problem, but it certainly spoilt the first couple of weeks when I couldnтАЩt enjoy life to the full. I know of a couple of people who had their holidays of two or three weeks ruined by similar symptoms. A point worth mentioning is that I was not too happy that my conversations with the doctors at the Clinic were being fully understood from either side. If my symptoms had been more severe, I would have been happier spending a bit more and going to the Bangkok Pattaya Hospital where I could have seen a doctor speaking and understanding English more clearly to ensure proper diagnosis and treatment.

The beer-bars, showbars and go-go bars that I regularly frequented all had a special atmosphere that heightened my experience differently from other trips. Either the company of those I kept or the attitude of the hosts, or the more adventurous scenarios made the experience most entertaining and enjoyable. I have to say that the more revealing nature of the shows in some of the bars made for a more interesting display than the usual sedentary foot shuffle that often goes for dancing in these bars. I know that a few people object to some developments as being demeaning to the participants, but I doubt if any took part in those sections of the show against their will. For me, seeing the sheer beauty of the human form negated any objections I heard. Those who donтАЩt like these places should, as ever, stay away and enjoy themselves elsewhere.

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Three тАЬspecialтАЭ events marked highlights during this trip:

1: Loy Krathong was an enjoyable experience, having booked a ticket at Mr RitтАЩs beach chair concession at Jomtien for his buffet and fireworks display, I, together with several other friends had a wonderful time feasting, lighting candle powered balloons to fly into the sky and watching the fireworks, even if they were rather dangerously operated at times. Of course, the main reason for the celebration was the floating of Krathongs. Many couples lit the incense and placed money in their elaborately decorated Krathongs and sailed them out into the sea. It was touching to see all this against the backdrop of a clear sky lit by fireworks and the candle balloons and the excited chatter of the crowds of hundreds on the beach. I have taken an active part in this event a few years ago and miss having someone special to celebrate it with, but that will have to wait for another year.

<center>Jomtien Beach at Loy Krathong <center>

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2: A day trip to the island of Koh Larn was an interesting day out as I had never visited this island before. Along with a few friends, both farang and Thai, we took the ferry from Bali Hi pier to the island, taking just under an hour to get there. Although the sea was choppy, we all felt fine on the boat. It was interesting to note that the captainтАЩs wheelhouse doubled up as the MumsтАЩ and ToddlersтАЩ padded playroom. As shown in the picture, the ferry is frequent and only costs 20Bt each way, payable either before alighting or on the boat. An interesting yellow sign appears below the timetable indicating the need to wear the lifejackets provided at all times. Needless to say, no announcement was made to this effect and nobody wore one.


<center>Koh Larn Ferry<center>

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After getting off the ferry, which was a precarious operation having no gangplank, we took a 20Bt bus ride to тАШChina BeachтАЩ, further round the island, where a clear sea lapped onto a beautifully clean, silvery sandy beach. We chose to sit in a beach chair area near one end of the bay. It would probably have been better to sit elsewhere, as the fumes of power boats nearby took away the magic of the scene. I imagine that this beach is called China Beach because most of the visitors were Chinese.

After finding a local beach restaurant, we had a typical Thai meal for about 60Bt. We eventually returned to Pattaya using a different ferry from China Beach for the same price of 20Bt. It was a day away from the usual routine of Jomtien beach which we all enjoyed.

<center>China Beach on Koh Larn<center>

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3: I had planned to end this trip with the final night of the Pattaya Gay Festival. As in previous years, it was a most enjoyable night, with the usual tributes to various people who had helped raise money throughout the year for charity. The local singer Toi entertained us for about half an hour. Further donations were accepted for various reasons on the night, and then we were treated to displays by dancers from some of the showbars as well as some talented farangs.

Many people view this event with cynicism and as a boring occasion and I can sympathise with their view to some extent, but for me and the few friends I was with on the night it was an enjoyable experience. It gave me just the right feeling to end a most interesting two month trip.

<center>Pattaya Gay Festival Final Night<center>

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You might get the feeling that everything was superbly rosy for me this trip. Well, having visited Thailand for many years now, I know that can never be true; there are too many unknowns to face each time. One incident annoyed me so much that I started a thread about it on the Gay Thailand Forum. It generated a lot of responses, with arguments on both sides, but I was heartened by the feedback and reflected on the situation looking at it from all sides.

The essence of my post is reflected in the title тАЬCommon Courtesy Eludes Impatient Farang in Go-Go BarтАЭ. You can view it at the following link: http://www.gaythailand.com/forums/index ... c=929&st=0 (http://www.gaythailand.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=929&st=0)

Again, the issue of noise raised its head about two weeks from the end of my stay. According to information received, a four story car park started to be built next to the apartment block where I stayed. Eleven hours every day, seven days a week, pile drivers were working on making the foundations for this construction. Thankfully, I was high up in the block, but had to ensure I left the apartment in the daytime to escape the incessant noise. It pays to be deaf in Thailand. On second thoughts, one person who makes up the group of friends with whom I associate has great humour and converses with us non-stop. Unfortunately, he canтАЩt hear us when we respond to his points. He should get a hearing aid; - at least he can turn it off when he wants to.

Another disappointment for me was the realisation that even now, so many Thai guys are prepared to have unsafe relations with others. I know this from discussions with friends and from Thai guys themselves. Maybe money speaks louder than common sense or the guys are seriously misinformed. Either way, all the bars owe it to their staff to educate them properly and give them the necessary equipment to ultimately preserve their lives. Hopefully, although unlikely, the freelancers need to be more aware of the risks they take when unprotected. The schools need to ensure that all young people are made fully aware and are given appropriate sex education. Of course, thatтАЩs only part of the problem. Essentially, the customers of all races need to take a more responsible approach to their passionate relationships with these guys. They may wish to take a suicidal chance for their session of lust, but eventually, the very people they are interested in will have their lives shortened dramatically with a most unpleasant ending.

A message came loud and clear from the final night of the PGF festival: have a happy Christmas but make it a safe one.

<center>Pattaya Gay Festival Santa & Safe Sex Message<center>

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December 17th, 2006, 00:00
I stayed at the Plaza Hotel on Suriwong Road, for a change and found it more than satisfactory, having booked in advance via www.asiatravel.com (http://www.asiatravel.com) on the net. The price per night was 1199Bt, including breakfast buffet. I never take friends back to the hotel in Bangkok, so the joinerтАЩs fee of 500Bt didnтАЩt bother me.

Chris, I followed the website link and this is what they say about the Plaza's joiner fee policy:

Joiner Fee:
Single room - the first joiner is free of charge, the second joiner (and thereafter) is to be charged 600 Bht nett/person
Twin room - any joiner will be charged 600 Bht nett/person

So it appears that a single person could have one joiner without charge. Your report implies otherwise. Does The Plaza not abide by their posted policy? Just wondering, since I'm considering to stay somewhere new like The Plaza when I arrive in January.

Your report was very enjoyable reading. Sorry you got sick. Thanks.

December 17th, 2006, 03:00
The Plaza Hotel is good value for money. I used to stay there three times. I never was asked to pay a joiners fee. But I didn’t lure constantly new companions into my room every night either. On the other hand, it is not my favourite place to stay anyway but I would go back if my favourite would be booked out.

Sorry you’ve been sick. Maybe you should just change your doc next time. They usually speak English very well, and there ordination room is separated from public waiting room. And please take my advice; reduce use of air-con to an absolute minimum. Saving energy is also good for Thailand and the environment.

About unsafe sex:
Usually the boys like using condoms but they don’t like spending any money on them. Condoms are expensive for Thai’s! Just look at the prices. If someone in the UK needs to pay the equivalent for 2 meals for just one condom, they would lay in shops like bricks.

But there is another aspect to consider:
The condom hurts. If a boy gets fucked, especially be a western size dick, his bum is usually stretched to an unpleasant limit for him. Using a condom, the effect on him is even more painful due to the friction of rubbing the condom along the fairly delicate insides. Many peoples do safe on lubricants which is also not fair. On the other side, lubricants are pretty useless if at the same time the air-con is running.

Lubricants are mainly water based; even there is some silicone in. The air-con will dry the lube immediately and make it al even worse.

This very simple fact is indeed difficult to understand by an average Thai person. And they do love air-con which is not helpful under those circumstances while you and he are getting hot …

It had proven useful since many years to cool the room somewhat sown if needed, stop the air-con und use fan instead and enjoy your time. … Just try it out. And don’t worry, even it works fine for both of you, the Thai will still not believe it. ..

Dodger
December 17th, 2006, 18:19
Thanks Chris,

Your report rekindled many memories of my last holiday, especially your recount of the improved venues at the gogo' bars.

It was great seeing you around town, and I have to admit, your smile seemed to be a little broader this trip. It seems that the October-November time period is always the worst for colds and the flu bug. Almost every boy I came across was either sneezing, coughing or feverish during this period, which makes avoiding the "bug" almost impossible.

The boy I who was living with me at the time spent two weeks coughing, hacking and blowing his nose. I wanted to put the condom over his head when we went to bed but the damn thing just wouldn't fit. I avoided kissing him for this two week period, sprayed the condo with a disinfectant aerosol spray every day, and even went as far as to avoid his cooking during this period, and all to no avail...I GOT IT ANYWAY! Thus, I have a new scientific fact, that yes, you CAN in fact catch the flu by sucking on someones cock. Now that would make a pretty interesting news flash during the cold and flu season..."People should wash their hands frequently - avoid closed-in areas where an infected person is at - and don't suck any cock."

I agree with you about the improved venues at several of the gogo bars. It's nice to see a little naked butt once ion a while, and the boys don't seem to mind at all. Conversely, they seem to be having a much better time with the abundance of attention they receive. The tips flow more freely as well, and let's face it, that's what they're there for.

Thanks again for a great read, and keep the updates coming.

mai pen rai

Brad the Impala
December 17th, 2006, 19:46
Lubricants are mainly water based; even there is some silicone in. The air-con will dry the lube immediately and make it al even worse.

This very simple fact is indeed difficult to understand by an average Thai person. And they do love air-con which is not helpful under those circumstances while you and he are getting hot тАж

It had proven useful since many years to cool the room somewhat sown if needed, stop the air-con und use fan instead and enjoy your time. тАж Just try it out. And donтАЩt worry, even it works fine for both of you, the Thai will still not believe it. ..

Lubes are dried immediately by aircon?! The average Thai person finds this "difficult to understand". Others may feel the same.

Thai guys love aircon?!

The Thai will still not believe what? The above comments?

December 17th, 2006, 23:55
Chris - can you elaborate on what kind of Visa you got and what was the stated purpose you listed to get you a 12 month visa?

Smiles
December 18th, 2006, 01:26
" ... Chris - can you elaborate on what kind of Visa you got and what was the stated purpose you listed to get you a 12 month visa? ... "
Sfokevin, there is also a thread in the Resource Forum dealing with the 12-month Type O (Retirement) visa: http://www.sawatdee-gay-thailand.com/fo ... php?t=9983 (http://www.sawatdee-gay-thailand.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9983)

There are a couple of different methods to apply for and receive it . . . one from within Thailand if you are already holding a Non Immigrant O Visa and one from outside Thailand from a Thai Consulate or Embassy in your own country. But the requirements which one has to fullfill are pretty much the same (with some exceptions).

Cheers ...

Jetsam
December 18th, 2006, 02:52
ahhhhh bugger off with those visa things, more about the lubes we want to hear http://images.fok.nl/s/smile.gif

December 18th, 2006, 06:58
ahhhhh bugger off with those visa things, more about the lubes we want to hear http://images.fok.nl/s/smile.gif

OOps sorry!... Does anyone have any statistics on the wind tunnel test results of their favorite lube :cyclopsani:

TrongpaiExpat
December 18th, 2006, 14:29
ahhhhh bugger off with those visa things, more about the lubes we want to hear http://images.fok.nl/s/smile.gif

OOps sorry!... Does anyone have any statistics on the wind tunnel test results of their favorite lube :cyclopsani:

Lube up your rod and hang it over the ac vent and see what happens. I would give it a shot, but the ac I have is a cealing mounted unit and I can't reach it.

December 18th, 2006, 15:41
Lube up your rod and hang it over the ac vent and see what happens. I would give it a shot, but the ac I have is a ceiling mounted unit and I can't reach it.

Like the midget screwed the the seven-foot woman, have someone put you up to it.
Failing that; stick it in the electric-fan, instead--Or have someone blow in it.

Brad the Impala
December 18th, 2006, 16:53
Lube up your rod and hang it over the ac vent and see what happens.

If I have lubed up my rod, as you put it, I would rather place it somewhere the sun don't shine, nor does the air con reach.

ChrisUK
December 19th, 2006, 23:42
Hi SF Farang,

Thanks for your comments.

I didn't mean to imply that the Plaza has changed its policy on joiners. For some reason, from reading previous versions of their website, I was totally confused about the policy. The current one makes it clear that one joiner is permitted, I'm glad to say, although the price for subsequent joiners has increased to 600Bt. I haven't a clue on how they apply the policy, as I didn't take anyone back. The reply by Ttom and any other people who have stayed there and who have actually tested the system some time in the past may be a good indication of what happens.

Sfokevin,

I applied for a "Multiple Entry Non-Immigrant Visa", (which is not a retirement visa,) indicating that I planned on visiting Thailand on extended holidays three times over the next 12-15 months, starting in October 2006, for up to two or three months each time. I stated that in a letter sent to the Thai consulate when asking for an application form. In the "purpose for this visit" section on the form, I simply wrote " Extended holiday". The visa, stamped in my passport, came back within two days, having enclosed an envelope for 'Special delivery'. The delivery cost me ┬г4.10 each way.

Thai phones working in the UK?

Incidentally my Thai mobile (cell) phone with a 'one-2-call' Freedom SIM card installed, surprisingly worked for text messsages (and possibly voice calls) when I returned to the UK. I switched it on to recharge it and soon discovered a "missed call" note. On viewing the details, I realised that a Thai guy had rung me, thinking that I was still in Thailand (I had lost contact with him during my last few days) and his name appeared out of the 'address book' indicating he had simply rung the number without the UK (+44) prefix. This amazed me as I don't know how it happened, but soon I was swapping text messages (without the Thailand prefix of +66) every day at a cost of 18Bt to send them and nothing to receive. Presumably, the senders only paid the regular 2/4Bt per message. I was able to check my balance daily to find out how much it was costing me.

Unfortunately, about a week ago, I discovered that, although I received text messages, I could no longer send them. The phone showed it was sending, but before it completed, a notice appeared on the screen telling me to "Check Operator Services". I'm trying to get information from the one-2-call website which may help me. Before I left Thailand I topped the phone up with 300Bt to change the expiry date to 25th January, so it would still work when I arrived in early January. There was still nearly 500Bt credit left when it stopped working. I'd be interested to hear from anyone who can guess what's happening.

December 20th, 2006, 02:00
Chris
I am planning to stay in Yensabai Condo in January. The noise that you mention wasnt there was it? I saw them starting some construction work next door last year.
Thanks
G

ChrisUK
December 22nd, 2006, 04:00
No, the noise that destroyed the peace of my apartment was caused by the construction immediately in front of Center Condo. I pity the people living in the first four stories behind the crematorium and the side of the West wing facing the sea. I heard that a four story car park is being built between the crematorium and the Condo block. Building work shold be completed in about four months. That should be the end of any views they might have had, together with a significant amount of light.

I don't know what is happening near Yensabai Condos. The relief the residents get there is that no building work is permitted in the Condo block during high season (I think that was October to March when I looked there last year).