Frequent police raids in Pattaya...

[catawampuscat]

It is almost a daily or nightly occurrence now and tonite several uniformed officers took three boys out of a Sunee
go go bar and frankly they did look underage but also hearing many boys being pulled in for lack of ID card..

Frequent late nite raids are also happening and police are picking up lots of underage kids from the streets and some of
the beer bars that stay open after 2AM.. Reports that rifles were fired late at nite were also heard..

Lots of rumours abound and one making the rounds is that the boy bar owners outside Sunee Plaza are providing
incentive to keep up the pressure in Sunee but this seems like a conspiracy theory to this poster and an unlikely
and improbable reason..Others say certain politicians are behind the pressure and some say it has to do with new
attitudes towards alcohol consumption, advertising etc..

The show featuring unclad underage go go boys is finished, althou some say another go go bar is still having
unclad youths on platforms and there is still some hanky panky to be found but most of the really underage kids
seem to have been set loose to work the streets, beach, shopping centers etc.. I will leave it to others to name the bars
that get raided but you can be sure this is the talk of the town and the future is not clear to anyone...

[Geezer]

No matter how unlikely that police enforcement of age restrictions in the Plaza will persist, one can always hope. As it is, boys, waiters, mamasans, and owners conspire to deceive the customer as to the boysтАЩ ages.

IDs are traded, faked and I suppose obtained with bribes. I know a boy with a fake ID so good that he used it to open a bank account, and another who is not even a citizen of Thailand who bought one of the new ID cards with that chip thingy. He is saving money to buy a passport.

We pay the bars, and in return are exposed to blackmail, fines and imprisonment.

I pray ol' Jinks didn't get caught up in all those raids last night! After all he did say that was where he was going.

Following the raid on 6th December which I reported in an earlier thread, I read in one of the ex-pat Pattaya newspapers that the raid was a joint opertaion between a special child protection unit from Bangkok and the Pattaya police.

It apparently followed a report by several foregin NG's that Pattaya had the highest rate of child prostitution in the region (no surprise there then). This joint operation sounds like a different approach to what I have read about before.

The newspaper said that the police were aware of a small number of businesses offering u/age boys for sex and their aim was to stop them. They said there would be many more investigations and raids until they were stopped.

Then last Friday (9th) one of the go-go bar mamasans told me they now get a visit EVERY night to check the boy's ID.
This sounds like it really could be a serious attempt to clean up Sunee.

However, as we all know, the boys, the business owners and many customers want this trade. As suggested earlier in this thread, the trade doesn't stop, it just changes location and takes a different form.
My guess is that once the police stop finding u/age boys in the bars (which i think will happen quite quickly), they will report the sucess of the operation and their resources will be deployed elsewhere. Then the boy's will return to the bars until the next crackdown. IMHO the business will continue until there is another form of employment to replace it.

[catawampuscat]

Tonite, Sunee was full of police on motorbikes, wearing a different uniform that seen before.. They seemed to be after the underage boys and not going into the bars but the atmosphere was tense and it is starting to feel like a police state.. Still,
Sunee was full of farangs and very active, at least on the streets and in the open air bars but if this keeps up it will have to start to have a big impact of the businesses in Sunee..

Euro boys had a "closed" sign and a For Sale sign, so maybe the owner has had enough.. No great loss here unless
you are into little ladyboys.. Lots of rumours and stories but I will refrain from publishing hearsay and second hand rumours..

[Lunchtime O'Booze]

methinks it will all go back to "normal after a while, regretfully. Sadly, poverty is the cause and very little will be done to allieviate that.

Keep us posted on the latest though. Especially if there is gunfire ! :cyclops:

Poverty is ONE of the causes, but not the only one. And not even the primary one, in my opinion. That would have to be GREED, primarily of the morally bankrupt adults who run the bars and constantly recruit new children -- most of whom would otherwise probably never had it in their heads to sell themselves for sexual purposes -- to fill them.

This person is really not that clever and but well known amongst locals for his cruel behaviour.

I am pretty sure that the police will have some more files on any person involved. Collecting and exchanging data is becoming increasingly popular ….

This report is from Pattaya City New, Dec 13, 2006:

Couple arrested and accused of under-age prostitution ring.

This story came to us just before we recorded our program today and comes from Pattaya Police Station. Police Lieutenant Colonel Sanai armed with court papers, arrested Khun Wira aged 45 and his wife Khun Sunan aged 35 in Soi Kow Noi on Wednesday Afternoon. The court paper detailed a complaint from a 12 year old boy who claimed that the pair was operating a child prostitution ring in the Pattaya Area. He claims that they would send young boys and girls to Foreigners who would engage in sexual activities in exchange for money. The pair were interviewed by the Investigating Officer and denied all allegations as stated in the warrant. Khun Wira claimed that the complainant along with two eighteen year old women stay with the couple because they are orphaned and they offer them somewhere to stay but they denied allegations of using them for the purpose of prostitution. Further investigations are taking place and two further witnesses, the eighteen year old women are now being located who apparently support the 12 year old boy’s claims.

For full story and pictures please follow this link:

http://www.pattayacitynews.net/news_13_12_49_2.htm

[Lunchtime O'Booze]

But I'm not too keen on the standards of these Thai newspaper reports. All fairness towards the accused is thrown out the window. These are even worse than the infamous English rags and fairly prejudicial towards the accused. Photographs of people in handcuffs are most unfair towards to how they are perceived. It's even accepted on here that the report as presented is true. That isn't denying that shocking things are happening. That much is obvious to all but a particular incident may not be as it is presented.

Does anyone have links to follow-up reports on actual events as they reach court ?

But I'm not too keen on the standards of these Thai newspaper reports. All fairness towards the accused is thrown out the window. These are even worse than the infamous English rags and fairly prejudicial towards the accused. Photographs of people in handcuffs are most unfair towards to how they are perceived. It's even accepted on here that the report as presented is true. That isn't denying that shocking things are happening. That much is obvious to all but a particular incident may not be as it is presented.

Does anyone have links to follow-up reports on actual events as they reach court ?

Thai government instructed the press not to report to much regarding crimes in order to avoid any “wrong” impression of Thailand. Reports on crime could spoil harmony and tourism.

Furthermore the Thai press is highly censored. Editors and journalists are aware of this and will use the scissors accordingly before someone influential will call.

Therefore you can find out more only in the Thai language press unless there is a foreigners involved. This is sometimes mentioned in The Nation or Bangkok Post.

Trial are open to the public. If you are in Bangkok, you can surely visit i.e. the criminal courts in Lad Phrao or the courts between Pattaya and Jomthien and attend judgement days. Of course it’s all held in Thai.

You can even visit prisons in Bangkok or Banglamung or anywhere else in Thailand. Some do organise guided tours. The Thai legal or penal system does not hide anything.

Thai’s usually do not comment on crimes, especially to foreigners. Please keep in mind, that Thailand is a throughout Buddhist country. If Thai’s reading newspapers, it’s usually sport, scene, fashion, celebrities, or fun. There are not stupid – and know why they not waist time other pages ….

I know this case quite well and the related web site is well worth reading:

www.thaiprisonlife.com/index.php?option ... &Itemid=26 (http://www.thaiprisonlife.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=12&Itemid=26)

[Dodger]

Boygeenyus States...


Poverty is ONE of the causes, but not the only one. And not even the primary one, in my opinion. That would have to be GREED, primarily of the morally bankrupt adults who run the bars and constantly recruit new children -- most of whom would otherwise probably never had it in their heads to sell themselves for sexual purposes -- to fill them.

BG...I couldn't agree more, although, I would include the morally bankrupt parents who reep most of the harvest

But I'm not too keen on the standards of these Thai newspaper reports. All fairness towards the accused is thrown out the window. These are even worse than the infamous English rags and fairly prejudicial towards the accused. Photographs of people in handcuffs are most unfair towards to how they are perceived. It's even accepted on here that the report as presented is true. That isn't denying that shocking things are happening. That much is obvious to all but a particular incident may not be as it is presented.

Does anyone have links to follow-up reports on actual events as they reach court ?

Thai government instructed the press not to report to much regarding crimes in order to avoid any тАЬwrongтАЭ impression of Thailand. Reports on crime could spoil harmony and tourism.

Furthermore the Thai press is highly censored. Editors and journalists are aware of this and will use the scissors accordingly before someone influential will call.

Therefore you can find out more only in the Thai language press unless there is a foreigners involved. This is sometimes mentioned in The Nation or Bangkok Post.

Trial are open to the public. If you are in Bangkok, you can surely visit i.e. the criminal courts in Lad Phrao or the courts between Pattaya and Jomthien and attend judgement days. Of course itтАЩs all held in Thai.

You can even visit prisons in Bangkok or Banglamung or anywhere else in Thailand. Some do organise guided tours. The Thai legal or penal system does not hide anything.

ThaiтАЩs usually do not comment on crimes, especially to foreigners. Please keep in mind, that Thailand is a throughout Buddhist country. If ThaiтАЩs reading newspapers, itтАЩs usually sport, scene, fashion, celebrities, or fun. There are not stupid тАУ and know why they not waist time other pages тАж.

I know this case quite well and the related web site is well worth reading:

www.thaiprisonlife.com/index.php?option ... &Itemid=26 (http://www.thaiprisonlife.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=12&Itemid=26)

That website is a great read - and very sad. Thanks for the link.

Don’t worry. Thailand is very safe …

Do not get confused by all this kind of negative reports. Thailand is a very safe country for tourists. I have been travelling nearly everywhere between the Mae Sai top north and the most southern point of Be Tong or Mae Hong Song at the western border and Mukdahan at the east for both work and leisure. For sure I have been nearly everywhere in between – including some places even the Lonely Planet never heard of.

Even in troubled Pattani I would never hesitate for s second to visit my friends there and I found a lot of peace and romances at the wonderful beaches of Had Sonkhla.

I do prefer to travel by train or bus. I hate flying. I used them all – the sprinters and the slow option. I am used to rural local transport. I do stay sometimes at 5-star hotels or at indeed basic village farm houses. I love the good old Oriental which is in my humble opinion still the world’s best hotel (yes, I have been in Dubai many times and know the Burj Al Arab). I also do love to stay with my friend at our little farm, where we jump mornings and evenings into our pond, there are no showers (spare me further details regarding sanitary installations please).

I very rarely experienced any problems. There where road blocks, raids and checks by any kind of police from municipal to highway, the special squats, immigration or labour office. And not always was hassle free but I found soon it was my own fault. It needed some friendly and clam words, and minutes later every problem was solved. Some strict but no bad words where spoken. But no official likes to be fooled. I always respected there duties.

I do have good friends amongst bar boys, business owners and at any rank of police and army. I don’t mind. I do truly trust a very view western friends and I do know why, and there are 5 al together.

All around, I found Thailand always a good and fair place. Oh yes, it happened that I’ve mist something after a swift encounter at the Malaysia Hotel or I have been cheated by a bus boy once before Chiang Rai. I’ve exchanged my arguments with bath bus drivers a few times. There surely where occasions I even didn’t realised it – respect, well done! But all in all it was little to nothing and practically not worth thinking of. But arguing might be a week spot inside a person. Maybe I lost my face sometimes but can still look into any mirror.

I have lost quite valuable items and got them back from hotel staff, taxi drivers, from barbers or bus attendants and good knows how else, sometimes even month later while passing though accidentally. I got items back I even didn’t noticed that they went missing.

I’ve enjoyed perfect care by opticians or dentists. I would never ever dream about using one at my home country again – except for true urgencies. I would never let touch my computers or other equipment like cameras, watches etc. somebody else except my well known specialists at the Pantip Plaza or Fortune Centre. Annually I turn all into a random check-up – from laptop to myself and I did well. I received clever advice or assistance and never ever had any problems since.

Is there a secret? Yes, maybe. I smile a lot. OK, that’s nothing special. I am not flashing valuables or money. I do never I talk about cars, house, income etc. Well, I am neither rich nor American, that’s makes it easy. For sure I am not greedy. I do not really bargain unless for fun or flirts but I do usually never pay tourist prices even at the Central. Thai’s usually don’t bargain. I do go home before closing time. I avoid sex shows unless my darling is having one for me in private. Ok, I do spend some cash on underage kids – food and maybe non-alcoholic drinks and if I found them to be worth it, I do lure them into certain places – in order to get some proper job training organised; and yes, there are some very good facilities around. I do stay away from drugs and someone who is taking drugs can never be my friend. If the magic team updates my laptop while they check and maybe repair some items, I do not ask for licence codes; I do not want make anyone of the helpful bunch feel guilty, and all is safely stored anyway. I do not cheat insurances. I also never had any problems dropping into a police station somewhere asking for gay or gay-friendly places like accommodation, bars meting points; no Thai would ever dream about doing that. I do give a dam, trot my path and try to be friendly and fair. For me it worked out well and I can show my face everywhere and anytime and if someone gets uncomfortable with it it’s not me.

It is not just me. OK, not everybody is going around like me. But do have a glimpse at the statistics: There are more than 10 million foreign tourists (minus expats on visa-run) in Thailand annually. Many of them are regulars, like my parents. And there usually love it. Some do have doubts sometimes but do not have any bad experience. It’s always other people talking.

The message is simple. Stay away from anything illegal. Do not gamble with people. Respect others, especially locals. Do not make false promises. Do not loose your temper or ability to act in a positive and secure manner. Do not trust any business prospect or promises made by expats. Do not expect to be a superhero. Do it all the easy way, relaxed and you will have the best moments of your live. Always think twice It’s amazing Thailand – there is no alternative on earth.

[Dick]

Good post ttom. You've got a lot of it right.
Shame about the accent :-)

[catawampuscat]

Having spent a little time up in Udon Thani this year, I can understand some of what ttom writes about
and can appreciate the so called "real" Thailand..Of course, you can find the strong westen influences in the city
but the villages still maintain much of their charm and personality..

I had a widow (age appropriate) lady neighbor of my regular's family come over and hit on me..It was funny
to all as we were both well past our primes and she was just horny and playful, and of course clueless..

One would need a core of farangs in a place like Udon and there would be no shortage of young men who want
to take care of you..You would have time to smell the flowers and the outdoor bathing sounds like a fun break
from routine.. Great posting ttom ...

[Lunchtime O'Booze]

nice to hear a good positive message. Give out what you want get back. Good vibes and all that karma stuff actually works. Lovely people these Thais and it's starts to rub off. Whats not to like about them ?

Got to get away from all this Pattaya stuff one day though, even though I like the big city it all becomes too much sometimes.

[Geezer]

In the Plaza this evening there was not a cop in sight. I visited three go-go bars. Under age boys were on display in each.

[catawampuscat]

Geezer is correct and even the shows were back.. One can again see the full monty at one Sunee go go and another
Sunee go go has started a new penetrating show, so I guess the heat is off and so it goes.. With all the ladyboys in
evening gowns and high heels last nite in Sunee, it was a something for everyone kind of nite in Sunee Plaza..

[Dodger]

Does anyone know if Euroboys re-opened?

[bigben]

Not confirmed........But one of the dancers at Exxit bar told me tonight that the Euroboys re-opened 2 nights ago....mostly the

same dancers but some changes with the staff/mamasen.

[catawampuscat]

confirm it is open last couple of nites and was told it was quite busy this evening..
Clubbing go go is gone and replaced by Munchen Kind'l, which will be a German beer bar
with offable waiters..opening this weekend with big party and live umpah umpah band.. hope you like blue and white...

opening this weekend with big party and live umpah umpah band.. hope you like blue and white...

Blue & White, favorite colors in speedos.

Umpah umpah is #113 on my music Like-list--Right after the Saline Deyawn, Chipmunks, Kenny G, Zamphir, Tuba solos, Swiss-mountain-horn solos, Hawiian, Celtic, Rap, Bagpipe, Cats-in-heat and just before Dust-bin-cover-on-piano-strings neo classical...unless I'm swizzled, in which case all I want to hear is, 'Teddy Bears Picnic' or 'She Wears Red Feathers and a Huley-Huley Skirt'! (How-the-Hell do you spell Huley?...Hulie? Wholee?)

[Dodger]

Ben and Cat...Thanks for the update.

Does anyone know if the Head Mamasan Jack is still there.

Jack is the long haired lady boy who's been running the roost at Euro for the last year or so. I'm only interested because he (she) was my current special boys mentor when he first drifted into town two years ago, and she's a very jai dee person.

Anyone got the scoop?

The Mamasan at one of the most notorious pedophile bars in Pattaya is "jai dee". Now I've heard it all.

[quote="Dodger"]Ben and Cat...Thanks for the update.

Jack is the long haired lady boy who's been running the roost at Euro for the last year or so. ..........................and she's a very jai dee person.

quote]

So you consider someone who is at the forefront of supplying children for sex is 'jai dee'?

Dodger. Does that indicate your endorsement and acceptance of the underage trade, especially in view of this from a previous posting of yours?

'IтАЩm sure there are a few people who just read that who are wondering about the boyтАЩs age, or more importantly, how I could have offed a boy who was obviously of the тАЬyounger category.тАЭ Well, I never checked his ID, nor did it ever enter my mind.'

[catawampuscat]

If the mere mention of a person at a Sunee bar is enough to smear a long timer like Dodger, then
I think that is a low blow.. I confirmed it was open, whoops!!, ..
The finger pointing game is very dangerous and quite tacky in this poster's mindframe..

I recall a posting mentioning the original Sawatdee Boys in Sunee and that was enough for someone
to start the accusations of child molestor/rapist because the writer wrote he had enjoyed that bar..
We can get overly politically correct and frankly it is none of our business whether Dodger, or any other
poster, does or doesn't do.. This is not Big Brother ....

I dislike the underage scene as much as any one on this forum and dislike casting aspertions as well..

[TrongpaiExpat]

opening this weekend with big party and live umpah umpah band.. hope you like blue and white...

Blue & White, favorite colors in speedos.

Umpah umpah is #113 on my music Like-list--Right after the Saline Deyawn, Chipmunks

It's Alvin and the Chipmunks. They have been playing Christmas Music in the Subway this week and I just heard the full rendition of the all I want for Christmas is a hula-whoop. A group of Thai boys students coming home from school waiting on the platform were singing along with the rodents. I never could master that dam hula-whoop.

[Brad the Impala]

[quote="catawampuscat"]If the mere mention of a person at a Sunee bar is enough to smear a long timer like Dodger, then
I think that is a low blow.. I confirmed it was open, whoops!!, ..
The finger pointing game is very dangerous and quite tacky in this poster's mindframe..

quote]

Agree completely. Let's leave the witch hunts to others.

If the mere mention of a person at a Sunee bar is enough to smear a long timer like Dodger, then
I think that is a low blow...........
The finger pointing game is very dangerous and quite tacky in this poster's mindframe..

quote]

Agree completely. Let's leave the witch hunts to others.

It was not a witch hunt at all.

I do not have a clue as to who Dodger is and do not have any interest in knowing but it is not unreasonable to ask him to clarify his stance on the underage trade in view of his two postings that I quoted.

You need to bear in mind that this board may well be read by people seeking to label the gay community in Pattaya as pedos and vaugue postings help them reach the point of their 'cause'.

[Brad the Impala]

[quote="Naughty But Nice"]

I do not have a clue as to who Dodger is and do not have any interest in knowing

[quote]

But you were interested enough to scour his previous posts to try to find something incriminating!! It seems that you were unable to, but having read his posts you would have discovered that he is not into young kids, so what is your point?

Dodger or no one else should have to clarify anything to anyone. There view or stand on a subject is exactly that , their view. It is unfortunate that posters can attack an individual just because their ideas to do not confirm to his. Its a dangerous direction for any forum to take.

What amazes me is the ones who attack people personally seem to know an awful lot about these particular bars. How do they know so much?

Newspaper reports or personal experience?

What amazes me is the ones who attack people personally seem to know an awful lot about these particular bars. How do they know so much?

Newspaper reports or personal experience?

Probably like myself as a Bankokian and someone who visits Pattaya for a couple of days a year they pick up the information from forums such as this.

Which is exactly why I say that it is easy for anyone reading these boards to extract snippetts of posts that out of context can be made to look as confirmation that every visitor to Pattaya is a pedo.

[Dodger]

Over the years I've become bored with these meaningless wrestling matches with strange people (meant literally), but, what the hell, why not!

Here's Naughty's Brilliant Quote:


I do not have a clue as to who Dodger is and do not have any interest in knowing but it is not unreasonable to ask him to clarify his stance on the underage trade in view of his two postings that I quoted.

Well Naughty, if you don't have a clue who I am and don't have any interest in knowing, then what are you so concerned about?

As far as clarifying my stance on the underage trade, well hell, that's easy: I enjoy having sex with Thai boys who are less than half my age...and I'm 52. Now get your calculator out and see if you can figure that one out. I try not to dabble in the <18 y/o category and prefer those 18 year olds fresh out of the jungle. You know, the types with those innocent boyish looks who can get a hard on with one simple stroke. My last BF of five years (Boy Special) just turned 27 this past October. and my new friend, who stayed with me during my last 8 week holiday just turned 19. Frankly, Boy Special and I have a lot more in common and can discuss topics on a more intellectual basis, but that 19 y/o has such a nice little ass that I consider this a fair trade.

I think what I dislike, even more than a person who runs around trying to take everyone elses personal inventory, is hypocrisy. So Naughty, why don't you just get a life and stop being such a weirdo. What do you think us gay farangs come to Thailand for anyway...the golden temples...LOL

Boygeenyus...

Regarding Jack, the Pedo Peddler you referred to: Jack has worked as a waiter and head mamasan for 4 of the most popular gogo bars in Pattaya before landing the job at Euroboys, and I seriously doubt that anyone who knows him (her) categorizes him as you so blatantly did. For someone who openly hates Pattaya, as you do - through your own admission, I'm a bit surprised at your motivation to classify those who work and visit this area as you did.

Frankly, I view you as a person who is just too old to even get it up. You probably lay in bed every night just trying to remember what a young tight ass felt like. But, then again, that's just a perception, and I've learned in life that these self-drawn conclusions about people are almost always wrong. So I'll concede if in fact you can still get a hard-on.

I hope that answers all your questions.

mai pen rai

Perhaps I've misunderstood about Euroboys. Does it not openly sell underage boys? And is it not the Mamasan's job to do the selling?

Also, perhaps my math is off, but did you not say your BS just turned 19? And that this "jaidee" Mamasan served as his mentor when he arrived in town "two years ago"? Would that not have made him an underage prostitute of 17 years old?

[Smiles]

" ... (I) prefer those 18 year olds fresh out of the jungle. You know, the types with those innocent boyish looks who can get a hard on with one simple stroke. ... "
I like that as well, but I can assure you the stroke I use ain't 'simple': a highly sophisticated, largely unknown, deft use of one finger, the thumb, and the pinkie ... used in conjunction with some instructive Hindu bas relief pornographic images found some years ago in a Sri Lankian 700 year old temple overgrown with creeping deep-forest-greenery and tersely guarded but a 95 year old monk who was quite obviously not wearing any underwear. He demonstrated the technique after some cajoling. I was shocked, amazed, totally satisfied, (and very wet!) after his single-yet-effective stroke . . . and have been practicing ever since.

But ~ I get carried away with remembrances ~ carry on boys, with the infantile accusations aimed at one of the most decent members of this Board ... IMHO

Cheers ...

[Dodger]

Smiles,

First and foremost, thank you for the kind comment.

Boygeenyus,

If you're so hung up on this age stuff maybe you should change your handle to "Mangeenyus."

Maybe the next time you're sitting up in Bangkok with your upper-crust intellectual friends you can bring this topic up. I'm sure you'll bore them to death as well. Or better yet, the next time you go for one of your monthly sexual escapes at the massage parlor, you can tell all the boys to line up and show you their ID cards before you make your choice. God forbid if a 17 y/o boy ever touched your precious little sausage.

5555555555555555555555+++++++++++++++

Thanks, Dodger, for adequately stating your position. I think we all understand clearly now.

[catawampuscat]

The facts in this little tug of war are simple to understand..
A long time respected poster made an inquery about a mamasan at a Sunee go go boy bar..
Innocent enough, but several posters took the very high and holier than thou ground and made accusations
about the poster and wanting him to defend himself.. Well, who made you guys our judges and juries..

If indeed the boy was working at 17 y.o., what a shock as hundreds and hundreds flow thru this town annually that haven't reached 17 y.o. yet.. As far as I know, it is not a crime to know or befriend a 17 y.o. It is not a crime to enter or
enjoy a go go bar in Sunee bar.. There are enough crimes out there without making being in Sunee one...

When I see farangs with boys clearly under 14 y.o. and sometimes 12 y.o and younger , then I can understand
getting holier than thou and standing up.. I don't like Euro boys and will never go again as young fem boys bore me(I never checked ID cards but would not be shocked if some are not quite 18 y.o. yet.) but I will not stand in judgement of those who do.. I do drawn the line with the tiny tots and find it criminal when I see gigantic farangs with tiny boys, and fortunately one of the worst places like the beer bar next to the old Amigo is dead...

[TrongpaiExpat]

I do not have a clue as to who Dodger is and do not have any interest in knowing but .......

That says it all. Those posters that have no desire to meet other posters are the ones that tend degrade and get rude. You have to keep your identity anonymous. It's sad really.

I went to Rainwalkers meet and greet at Memories and none of these unfriendly posters show up although Hedda claimed in a post he was there he kept his identity a secret. He did not even introduce himself to the host.

I guess different people come here for different reasons. If for some reason you come here to be argumentative and rude then I can only hope you already have enough friends.

I have not met Dodger either but would consider it an honor (or at least interesting) to meet him some day.

[Dodger]

Cat and Trongpai,

Thanks for having clear vision (and good karma)...it would be a pleasure to meet you both as well some day.

Mangeenyus states...


Thanks, Dodger, for adequately stating your position. I think we all understand clearly now.

You're quite welcome, and glad I could oblige.

BTW...That little beer bar next to Amigo's (where the street kids hang out) was always a place I would stop when visiting Monty's Pool for my mid-day swims. The boys there, mostly aged between 9 and 14, referred to me as "Big C" and always jumped out of their seats to greet me on the street. The reason they were glad to see me was that they knew it was time to eat.

I noticed this young boy hangout years ago and realized immediately what they were doing there. I usually avoided going inside the beer bar area, especially when there was a farang inside fondling the boys, as I didn't want to be perceived as a pervert, nor did I have any interest in sitting in a place with someone who was. I would just hand each boy 40 baht, which was an ample amount for a bowl of tom yan and noodles. I followed this routine for years until sometimes it almost got out of control, as there would sometimes be 8-12 kids there waiting for me to walk past. In preparation for my visits I would always make sure that I had a roll of 20 baht notes in my pocket for the occasion.

After the first time of feeding a small herd of these kids I came to realize what a great opportunity this was for me. For U.S. $10 I just fed 10 kids. The first time I succumbed to the arm tugs and went inside the beer bar area to sit with them was the moment in which I realized just how sad their lives had become. One kid, who appeared to be 9 or 10 years old, sat next to me, placed his hand on my leg, and immediately pulled his shorts down to expose himself. I looked into his eyes and what I saw was a totally lost and defenseless child, abused, not only by his parents, if he had any, but by life itself. I motioned for him to pull his pants up and told him to eat.

My opinion about those who choose to abuse these children is well understood by those who actually know me, but what matters to me the most, is that THEY UNDERSTAND.


mai pen rai

The which hunt in pattaya has gotten so bad that one is afraid to even speak to a teen or try to just be friends with them. The down side to this is that many of use to pay for schooling, clothes, food, dental and medical aid for these kids and have never thought about anything but helping them. Yes there still are decent people in the world. I find it extremely hard to be hard hearted but yet I find myself just passing by instead of paying for their meal or buying a pair of sandals if needed. Some members here and on other boards just don't seem to understand that some people just want to help. Giving to charites help so very few and there are so many that just need to know someone does care.

[Lunchtime O'Booze]

luvthai with plenty of witnesses you are safe. It's going behind closed doors is when tongues begin wagging. It is sad when you do want to help and one becomes paranoid about it being taken the wrong way.

[quote="Dodger"]Smiles,

First and foremost, thank you for the kind comment.

Boygeenyus,

If you're so hung up on this age stuff maybe you should change your handle to "Mangeenyus."
[quote]

how about mangina or maybe manasshole!

[catawampuscat]

proxyman, do you really think your nasty, tacky references to boygeenyus belong here? If Dodger wanted to bitch back, that would
be his choice but your posting just earned you a place on my ignore list for trolls... find a hole and crawl back in ....

28 posts in his history, and almost all of them are either praising Niddy's Nook or bashing me. You do the math.

[Lunchtime O'Booze]

"I like that as well, but I can assure you the stroke I use ain't 'simple': a highly sophisticated, largely unknown, deft use of one finger, the thumb, and the pinkie ... used in conjunction with some instructive Hindu bas relief pornographic images found some years ago in a Sri Lankian 700 year old temple overgrown with creeping deep-forest-greenery and tersely guarded but a 95 year old monk who was quite obviously not wearing any underwear. He demonstrated the technique after some cajoling. I was shocked, amazed, totally satisfied, (and very wet!) after his single-yet-effective stroke . . . and have been practicing ever since. "..

I believe Mrs O'Booze must have seen the same demonstration as she was very good in her day but sadly she now looks like that 95 year old monk which is why I've switched to the other side. I like them half my age as well so anyone over 32 is just fine by me..but after a few ports and a long lunch I've been caught with 40 year olds !!!

28 posts in his history, and almost all of them are either praising Niddy's Nook or bashing me. You do the math.

OK! I love math; it's what I do. :geek:

So here's the analysis: proxyman is right on 50% of the issues. That's good news for boygeenyus, not so good for Niddy's Nook. :bigsmurf:

Over the years I've become bored with these meaningless wrestling matches with strange people (meant literally), but, what the hell, why not!

Here's Naughty's Brilliant Quote:


I do not have a clue as to who Dodger is and do not have any interest in knowing but it is not unreasonable to ask him to clarify his stance on the underage trade in view of his two postings that I quoted.

Well Naughty, if you don't have a clue who I am and don't have any interest in knowing, then what are you so concerned about?

As far as clarifying my stance on the underage trade, well hell, that's easy: I enjoy having sex with Thai boys who are less than half my age...and I'm 52. Now get your calculator out and see if you can figure that one out. I try not to dabble in the <18 y/o category and prefer those 18 year olds fresh out of the jungle.

The whole point of my question was the perception of what you posted 'IтАЩm sure there are a few people who just read that who are wondering about the boyтАЩs age, or more importantly, how I could have offed a boy who was obviously of the тАЬyounger category.тАЭ Well, I never checked his ID, nor did it ever enter my mind.' was that to anyone looking for more ammunition that Pattaya is full of pedos was being given more evidence to back up their claim.

The fact that you never said he was of legal age left your statement open to doubt.

Nothing personal in not wanting to know anything about you but I have my own life and friends here in Bangkok and am not really into meeting up with sex tourists to listen to their tales of paid conquests. :cheers:

[Brad the Impala]

Oh Haughty but Vice put a sock in it and move on.

In thirty years of coming to Thailand I have never asked to see a guys id before having sex. Big Deal.

When I was here first as twenty one year old, my boyfriend was a whole five years younger, shock horror, report me.

So glad that you have your own life, most of us do!

[Dodger]

Naughty,

First, I want to tell you that I understand the point you're making and acknowledge your position on U/A sex in general.

I will also humble myself enough to state... that having sexual flings with working boys half my age has in fact caused me to take my own personal inventory many times. The fact remains, that I enjoy my lifestyle, as well as the choices I make regarding who I'm going to sleep with, and don't sense any deep-rooted guilt complex festering either.

My concern has always been focused more on societies view (perception) about my chosen lifestyle. It goes without saying that being gay is rough enough on the minds of the str8 masses, but having gay sexual interactions with prostitutes half my age would result in the brand of PERVERT by the majority. So, if I'm correct in my assumption, and society would brand any of us who partake in these activities as perverts, then, are they in fact correct? Isn't it the perception of the masses of society that have shaped and formed our moral and ethical standards from the beginning of time. Isn't it true that the actual laws that govern the way we live have their roots in the perception of the masses? Of course...because that's where the votes come from.

I also understand your concerns about someone visiting our forum and reading my statement about offing a boy of questionable age, although I really don't think you have too much to worry about. All a person has to do is read a few of our threads and they'll come to the immediate conclusion that we're all fucking nuts anyway.


mai pen rai

[Lunchtime O'Booze]

Wel you must have seen some big changes in your time Brad the Impala so why don't you post a thread some day and tell us what it was it was like in the old days. I would find that most fascinating.

[Geezer]

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[Geezer]

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[Geezer]

One third my age is close to my upper limit.

What does any of this have to do with the topic here, which is police raids? Another thread hi-jacked.

[jimnbkk]

What does any of this have to do with the topic here, which is police raids? Another thread hi-jacked.


I agree. Makes reading this forum less and less worth the time it takes. Seems like people would rather insult others, even not knowing who they are, than discuss the topic.

[catawampuscat]

Threads have a life of their own and when they go onto the third or fourth or more pages, it is too much to expect that they stay on topic..

What is annoying is when trolls or those with selfish agendas abort threads on page one and change the thread topic to themselves
as the topic.. By page 4 , it is no long a hijack but just a natural progression and this thread should die out just about now..

but , rumours abound about new raids and there was supposed to be one tonite in Sunee but I had my hands full elsewhere and
don't know if anything happened or not..

[Lunchtime O'Booze]

these raids..I'd love to witness one especially if pistols are drawn. The nearest I've been to anything like it was years ago when dining in Sunnee Plaza and someone said a Thai boy had cut the Dutch chef's throat, 2 restaurants down...such drama..people screaming and crowds milling about and from what I could see was a body being flung onto the back of a truck and driven away. Stories abounded all night of how the poor man's head was nearly sliced clean off with a giant carving knife over some sort of lover's spat.

But there he was the next day sitting outside the old Crazy Pub with a black eye and a few band-aids around his throat !

I prefer Boyztown these days since the pacemaker was put in.

[dave_tf-old]

you should speak for yourself, Brad. I no longer have a life of my own and am forced to live vicariously. I hope you are not stumbling under the burden.

Speaking of which, I recall a very cool thread Brad participated in on one of this board's predecessors complete with pictures of Pattaya/Jomtien pre-highrises and wine-lists. I came a few years later, pre-walking street and Boyztown. If I had met Brad then, he would have told me all about the good old days and I'd have called him a bastard.

[Brad the Impala]

Dave, I did only say that most of us have a life! I knew that there would be a smattering brushing aside the cobwebs as they viewed their computer screens. Thanks for rembering Tarzan and Jane, as I recall the age issue was brought up in that thread, so probably best not to repost.

And you can call me a bastard anyway.

[Lunchtime O'Booze]

why don't you have a life of your own dave_tf ?. This sounds very disturbing. Can we help in any way ?

I want to hear more about the good old days and especially the wine lists.

[dave_tf-old]

Lunchtime. Brad's photo of his good old days showed the arc of Jomtien as a pretty little beach with just a scattering of inhabitants...most of whom seemed to be working fishermen. I think it was Smiles who had a photo taken from nearly exactly the same vantage point a few years later showing development that pre-saged what one would see today.

I never made it to Jomtien on my first visit in about 1980, but Pattaya Beach itself was still usable. Song Thaews were in use, but operated also as taxis. Spartacus listed maybe 6 bars, but my sense of direction is terrible (especially in Pattaya) and I never found them...and never needed to.

Anyways, for the wine-list and high-rise set, this is probably the good old days. For the true hi-so jetsetter, the good old days of Pattaya will never arrive.

Brad, in his photo, was a classically handsome young man...fairly clean-cut by the standards of the day...the kind of handsome that probably doesn't fade much with age.

Anyway...that last paragraph was inserted for the obligatory age comment. And you can help my lifelessness by just doing what you're doing.

Suspected Norwegian Pedophile caught by Tourist Police.

Pedophilia is a disturbing yet common crime here in Pattaya and one Police Division who work hard to suppress this form of crime is the Tourist Police. On Tuesday Evening, Police Lieutenant Colonel Wootishart, the Chief of Pattaya’s Tourist Police Division ordered his undercover unit to serve an arrest warrant on Mr. Gunnar Bjarne Ugulen aged 67 from Norway. He was wanted in connection with a case from April of this year where he is alleged to have paid 500 Baht in exchange for sexual services from a boy under the age of 15. The man was caught in front of the Biemsook Village in South Pattaya after eluding Police Capture for nearly 8 months. He will now be kept on remand pending a court appearance.

Suspected Norwegian Pedophile caught by Tourist Police.

Pedophilia is a disturbing yet common crime here in Pattaya and one Police Division who work hard to suppress this form of crime is the Tourist Police. On Tuesday Evening, Police Lieutenant Colonel Wootishart, the Chief of Pattaya’s Tourist Police Division ordered his undercover unit to serve an arrest warrant on Mr. Gunnar Bjarne Ugulen aged 67 from Norway. He was wanted in connection with a case from April of this year where he is alleged to have paid 500 Baht in exchange for sexual services from a boy under the age of 15. The man was caught in front of the Biemsook Village in South Pattaya after eluding Police Capture for nearly 8 months. He will now be kept on remand pending a court appearance.

The clean-up continues ...

Harbor officials raid Bali Hai Port. Many boat operators fined.

On Tuesday evening the Harbor Department, a division of the Royal Thai Navy conducted an inspection of pleasure boats docked at the Bali Hai Port at the South end of Pattaya Beach. The inspection was a surprise to many boat owners, and the inspectors found many anomalies relating to licenses not available and suspicions of unlicensed pleasure boats. Many of the boat owners were angry at the officials who claimed that boats that were deemed as unlicensed were in fact fully licensed but no attempt to communicate with boat owners to obtain the documentation were made. Fines of 1,000 Baht were levied to those boats that appeared unlicensed. The next morning, the angry boat owners met officials and complained about the raid which was also assisted by Police Officers from Chonburi. They demanded refunds of fines to those boats which were in fact licensed. Harbor Department Officials stated that the raid was in accordance with the law and they intend to put pressure on pleasure boat owners from now on to ensure that each boat is operated within the law and no fines would be refunded. A stalemate for now, but this issue is far from resolved.

Both reports are from today. Source: Pattaya News ...

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[Lunchtime O'Booze]

"All a person has to do is read a few of our threads and they'll come to the immediate conclusion that we're all fucking nuts anyway."

I've given up ever talking about this subject after an incident about 20 years ago in a bar in Houston. A group were harping on about "homos" and "pedos" all being the same thing and I just got sick of it and said.."look the record being played at this very moment ( an Elvis song) is sung by a pedo who transported a 14 year old girl from Germany and was banging her at 15 !"..I almost didn't get out alive. It's difficult to discuss this subject with any rationality.