Mamasans Helpful or a Pain??.............

[catawampuscat]

I was in Lucky 777 and had asked the mamasan about a boy I had seen on a previous night..The mamasan left and returned with the right boy and had him sit on the stage in front of me..I called him over for a drink and the mamasan leaned over to talk to me..He said that some farangs had complained about the boy as not doing very much..He said the boy was very straight ..
I had spoken, on an earlier nite, with a different mamasan/waiter who said the boy could and would do everything... I did not off the boy and was grateful to the honest mamasan who I didn't usually talk with..I didn't feel any chemistry with the boy when he came over for a drink but probably would have offed him if not for the advice..
I usually do not like when pushy mamasan/waiters come over and when asked, always assure the customer that the boy will be good... This was a nice surprise and I will take care of the mamasan next time I go ....
I have also gotten honest advice from the mamasan at DreamBoys in Pattaya althou he tends to be very positive but will tell me if he doesn't know and I appreciate his honesty and take care of him each time...

[colmx]

Mamasans are crooked cheats :bigsmurf: <or at least most of them!> in my opinion....

Chances are that this boy did not give the mamasan enough of a kickback from his last off and so the mamasan is taking revenge on him...

Or at least thats usually the story you hear when talking to the boys outside the work environment...

Did the mamasan try to advise you to take a different boy (must likely recommending a guy who gives a good % kickback)

Then again on the other hand who knows... he could have been a complete dud!

They are such a pain.
I don't understand people who tip them.
That just encourages them.
If anything, we should actively be trying to eliminate this job position.
Sure, the bars need someone to keep the "dancers" in line.
All the obnoxious high pressure stuff that goes on makes used car salesmen look good.
Please do not tip them!

[sing_lofty_sing]

Oh How can u all be so cruel to the dear old mammasan!! Take the happy chap dom in Gentleman Club, been there years and always got a happy smile on his face. ( specialy when you get him a mekong coke ).
No its when you have 2 or 3 in one club then its rather pointless

[Smiles]

Mamasan's are simply high-class (arguable!) touts . . . let me tell u.

Cheers ...

[colmx]

I have to agree with s-l-s that the mamasan in Gentlemans Club is the smiliest and friendliest of mamasans in the whole of Pattaya... NOT!

He is dour, but seems very efficient and my Bf tells me he is very good to the guys who work there...

Also agree with Thaiquila, i can't understand why anyone would tip a mamasan... have rarely come across a mamasan who deserved any sort of tip... with the Exception of Jenny who used to work in Funny Boys and is now in Lucky 7... I

On Second thoughts i have just contradicted my first post above... So i guess i should retract it... Cat you were probably getting good advice from the mamasan! <if it was Jenny> He is one of the good ones and can be trusted<in my opinion>

My Pet hate is when a ladyboy mamasan lies against you and pretends to sleep on your next because they are so tired... or pretend to like you so much.... yuck!

[manfarang-old]

As far as I can tell, all mamasans are not created equal - some are helpful and some are a pain. Some are, as Smiles says, not much more than "touts" and will try to push any barboy on you. Others will have some knowledge of the preferences of the various boys and try to match you up with someone who meets your requirements. And others are basically there to act as translator and let you make your own choices. If I find a mamasan too annoying, I hit the road and don't come back.

As far as I can tell, all mamasans are not created equal - some are helpful and some are a pain. Some are, as Smiles says, not much more than "touts" and will try to push any barboy on you. Others will have some knowledge of the preferences of the various boys and try to match you up with someone who meets your requirements. And others are basically there to act as translator and let you make your own choices. If I find a mamasan too annoying, I hit the road and don't come back.
You are kind of supporting my point.
So many of them are incredibly annoying!
So they sour and ruin your experience of a bar.
Their behavior inspires you to leave earlier than you wished, or even not to come back.
What kind of value are they adding?
They are scaring away business and actually hurting the sex workers, scaring away more customers than they pressure into foolish choices.
OK, I can understand tipping the very rare exception of a "good" mamasan with whom you feel a personal bond for some reason, but to tip them under pressure when they have been obnoxious, again, just encourages their surly behavior.

some newbys couldn't do without them.
With a few exceptions; I do all I can to discourage them: politely ignore them, don't buy drinks, don't tip--And if that doesn't work, saying, "Go...don't need, don't come back."\"Pai, mai torng, mai glap mar.." will--Unless she's on ya-ba.

A waiter: one who knows you & who knows you leave a fair tip, will usually be honest and very helpful.

Good post catawampuscat. My mamasan experience varies. Most of them do seem to stretch the truth, but some of them are pretty good. Although one of them keeps pestering me for designer fragrances. Once wanted to massage me endlessly visit after visit and his hands never seemed to tire from it. One kept pestering me to off him because he had convinced himself I was on my way to a disco afterwards, which I wasn't.

All in all, I appreciate mamasans, even the ones I don't quite understand. All part of the package that makes my time there so enjoyable. I have never found what other farang describe as high pressure mamasans to be overbearing and find it quite manageable. Still, I take them with a pinch of salt and feel that if a mamasan is able to ruin your experience, it says more about you than him.

And yes sometimes I do tip them, certainly if they amuse me. I must be easily amused!

I agree with most of the comments here, but like most stereotypes, it does not work all the time.

I tend to frequent the same bars year after year and I have found a few the of Mammasans to be very helpful and honest businessmen. A couple have been very helpful in advising me on things to see and do outside the bar. Once they get to know you, they can often be very good match makers.

That being said, going a new bar and having a persistant and pestering Mammasan really puts me off. One drink and I am out of there.

[manfarang-old]

You are kind of supporting my point. So many of them are incredibly annoying!
Perhaps, but in my experience the really annoying ones are in the minority. The problem is that the annoying ones can be really REALLY annoying at times. But overall I think the mamasans do perform a function and most of them do that job reasonably well, remembering that their job is to make sure that a customer has a drink in front of him and, hopefully, off a barboy.

My favorite mamasan story from this trip - on my 1st trip into the Wild West go-go bar, a mamasan came and sat with me. I told her that I wished to sit alone - she was not detered. She continued chatting, putting her hands on my legs - I told her that I do not like to be touched and moved down a bit away from her drew an imaginary line on the seat next to me and motioned that I did not want her to cross the line - without much success. She was older, overweight and unattractive - at least to me. She asked me where I was from and I told her "America" - then she told me that other Americans told her that she looked like Marilyn Monroe. I laughed so hard that I choked on my drink. I think I made her lose face - she left me in a huff - but that line was just too funny and unexpected.

[Dodger]

I really try to look beyond the roles the Mamasans play and remind myself that they're all just trying to make a living, although, I find most of them to be annoying.

I don't frequent the gogo's as much as I did in the past, but when I do I'm there to check out the boys, not get caught up in a conversation with a Mamasan.

What annoys me the most is when a Mamasan stands in between you and the boys on stage in an attempt to hold your attention. I recall several occasions where I've politely (but sharply) asked a Mamasan to leave me alone.

I've never relied on their advice regarding which boy to off...I have two eyes of my own.

mai pen rai

[bucknaway]

When I was in Pattaya, I met a straight couple in one of the gogo bars. The husband told me that he wanted to find a big dick thai guy to fuck his wife. I talked to his wife and she told me she wanted a guy with a bid dick and the guy had to be attracted to women.

After telling me what she wanted I took them to A-Bomb and I called over the Mama San. I told him that I was friends with the couple with me. They are married and they are looking for a guy with a big cock to fuck his wife but he must be masculine and he also must like sex with women.

I also told him the husband will not participate but may watch, but would like the gogo boy help him find a woman for him to have sex with at the same time his wife is being fucked.

The Mama San held his finger to his chin and scanned the room, walked away and came back with a scrap of paper. On the paper were the boys numbers and their dick size.

I gave the paper to the husband and him and his wife used it to pick out a very nice guy. I don't know how it all ended but I got a free drink in both bars for my efforts :)

I think a mama san can help if you want help with your selection...

I may employ the use of a mama san if I am sure of what I want and feel the best way to get it is to ask for it.

Now the Mama San's that feel on me and grope me... I hate em! :bonedemon:

I have never used the service of a mamasan and probably will not as I usually run into an ex-boy friend in the bars I frequent. They know me and my preferences. I always try to "finish" my boyfriends in :violent1: friendship so they never have stuck me with a lemon...yet.

Richard

A very debatable thread I must say, which has obviously sucked me in тАУ well done.

After posting a thread on the old board about mamasans-(MS) being like used car saleman. I now have mixed feelings on this matterтАжтАж.

Yes we have all come across the good, bad & the ugly in bars, all of whom ply their trades in different ways.

I was blantently offered a lad who didnтАЩt do what I was told he would do by the MS. I have had a MS who have taken the liberty to order a drink on my behalf even before my arse had hit the seat, but this was when I was a newby. (This MS liked to wear cowboys hats, hint hint)?!!?

Just think if your were maybe doing this role, wouldnтАЩt you try at least in all honest fashion though, to try to gain a drink or two from a farlangs. Then also be gratified when they continue to converse with you, & the humour is also mutaul. тАУ Its called having a good time & being friendly. Especially if you have just travelled half way across the globe & its your first night in the very daunting soi twilight, where all you need is someone friendly to chat to on your first night, who may offer reliable information.

I would like to praise the chubby guy MS-Joe, working in lucky 777 bar who seems quite attentive, & dare I say it, the ladyboy MS in Dreamboyz. Although IтАЩm still quite dubious of her/him, as he always picks me out & sits right next to me as soon as I walk in the joint. I could be wrong & thatтАЩs a great feeling to have when dealing with MS.
Some do however just sit there next to you тАУ say hello, incase you require their services, & donтАЩt ask for a baht or drink in return.
So maybe its like any other job, especially in los, where sometimes you get a good service & sometimes you do not.

BUT I havenтАЩt got the time for the crocked scamming oneтАЩs out there at all!!