Mozie on over to the Global Forum

Has ANYONE here noticed? If you weren't watching then, North Korea has tested a nuclear weapon this past week! Can you believe it? In DEFIANCE of George Bush.

Bush is now VOWING to punish them if they share nuclear material with any other nation. But before this, wasn't that punishment over the thin line if they ever TEST a device?

Things are looking pretty bad for George. Ratings are still lowest ever. His retirement ideas went zip. His immigration reform, particularly the "fence just like Israel's" are going to the trash. Condelenza is talking like an abondoning of Iraq is underway. Our face to face Rumsfeld is letting the army go direct to GB himself for their requests for multi-billions billions of more money to save Iraq, as if Rummy can't stand up on his own and tell them it ain't comin'. And what if it doesn't then? And then there's this election's "Republican" gay issue, courtesy mostly Fox news, that's supposed to somehow hurt his party, and drag his brother into rotten soup. Time will tell if that scandal results in nothing more than ruining American boys chances of having a party in DC as a page.

What's a 2nd term President to do to have a legacy?


from:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/13/world ... r=homepage (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/13/world/asia/13trace.html?hp&ex=1160798400&en=797cec9e5a9a1ebf&ei=5094&partner=homepage)


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[Aunty]

What's a 2nd term President to do to have a legacy?

Resign.

Has ANYONE here noticed? If you weren't watching then, North Korea has tested a nuclear weapon this past week! Can you believe it? In DEFIANCE of George Bush.
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Oh yes I mentioned it a day before it was due too happen, but you know the unflappable lot here, no one even went blink. I suppose since this is where the "weeepons" of mass destruction are, the USA will be launching a military strike soon.

Isn't Aunty looking all Hollywood's these days.

[Aunty]

Isn't Aunty looking all Hollywood's these days.

I see you've got sharp eyes young Cedric! Well I'm determined that that floozie, Pearl, is not going to be the only one around here trying to pass herslef off as a women of glamour! There's more than one mutton dressed up as lamb in this establishment! Ask Edith!

What has happened is that North Korea has claimed it has exploded a nuclear device, and pretty much all the externally verifiable evidence is that it was probably no such thing - just another piece of bluff from the masters of the genre. There will doubtless be an article in this month's Nuclear Physics for the Under Fives (Editor: Aunty) on how to verify a nuclear explosion

[Aunty]

What has happened is that North Korea has claimed it has exploded a nuclear device, and pretty much all the externally verifiable evidence is that it was probably no such thing - just another piece of bluff from the masters of the genre. There will doubtless be an article in this month's Nuclear Physics for the Under Fives (Editor: Aunty) on how to verify a nuclear explosion

Well he's not called Colonel Plonker-Dunce for nothing! And a superb example he is too of that well known contradiction in terms, British military intelligence!



U.S. intelligence statement: N. Korea radioactivity detected

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A preliminary analysis of air samples from North Korea shows "radioactive debris consistent with a North Korea nuclear test," according to a statement from the office of the top U.S. intelligence official.

The statement, from the office of Director of National Intelligence John Negroponte, was sent to Capitol Hill but not released publicly. CNN obtained it from a congressional source.


edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/10/14/nkorea.test.sample/index.html (http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/10/14/nkorea.test.sample/index.html)

... how quickly people selectively take up announcements from sources they usually despise as "evidence" when it suits their purpose?

I notice that those self-same "US intelligence officials" (an oxymoron if ever there was one) who confidently advised the reviled Bush and Blair that "Saddam has weapons of mass destruction" now confirm that North Korea has exploded a nuclear device. Whether it has or it hasn't, whether it was successful or unsuccessful, anything those officials say while reporting to Dubya is always going to be tainted - and not by radioactivity

Over to you Aunty for an intemperate riposte, you closet Bush/Blair supporter, you

[Aunty]

I notice that those self-same "US intelligence officials" (an oxymoron if ever there was one) who confidently advised the reviled Bush and Blair that "Saddam has weapons of mass destruction" now confirm that North Korea has exploded a nuclear device. Whether it has or it hasn't, whether it was successful or unsuccessful, anything those officials say while reporting to Dubya is always going to be tainted - and not by radioactivity

Over to you Aunty for an intemperate riposte, you closet Bush/Blair supporter, you

What, and spoil your constant need for the last word? Never!

and pretty much all the externally verifiable evidence is that it was probably no such thing

Well, even Kim ill Jong admitted to it.



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BEIJING — North Korean leader Kim Jong-Il told a visiting Chinese delegation that the communist nation didn't plan to conduct additional nuclear tests, a news report said Friday.

Kim told Chinese envoy Tang Jiaxuan that "we have no plans for additional nuclear tests," Yonhap news agency reported, citing an unnamed diplomatic source in Beijing.

Kim also expressed regret about his country's nuclear test to the delegation and said Pyongyang would return to nuclear talks if Washington backs off from its financial sanctions, a South Korean newspaper reported Friday.

"If the U.S. makes a concession to some degree, we will also make a concession to some degree, whether it be bilateral talks or six-party talks," Kim was quoted as telling a Chinese envoy, the mass-circulation Chosun Ilbo reported, citing a diplomatic source in China.

Click here for FOXNews.com's North Korea Center.

Kim told the Chinese delegation that "he is sorry about the nuclear test," the newspaper reported.

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The delegation led by State Councilor Tang Jiaxuan met Kim on Thursday and returned to Beijing later that day — ahead of U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice's arrival in the Chinese capital Friday.

China is viewed as a key nation in efforts to persuade the North to disarm, as it is the isolated communist nation's main trading partner.

Rice and China's foreign minister called for resumed talks aimed at ending North Korea's nuclear program and appealed to the North for restraint amid fears it might conduct a second nuclear test.

Rice and Foreign Minister Li Zhaoxing said they agreed on enforcing U.N. sanctions imposed for the North's Oct. 9 nuclear test. But they gave no indication they agreed on tougher measures. China has been reluctant to push its isolated ally too hard for fear it might collapse.

"We hope all relevant parties will maintain coolheadedness, adopt a responsible approach and adhere to peaceful dialogue as the main approach," Li said at a joint appearance before reporters.

Rice flew to Beijing after visiting Tokyo and Seoul on a regional tour to lobby for support in enforcing U.N. sanctions imposed on the North last week. She said she and Li discussed the importance of enforcing the sanctions to prevent "trade in illegal materials, dangerous materials."

"We also talked about the importance of leaving open a path to negotiations through the six-party talks," Rice said. The talks, which include the United States, the two Koreas, host China, Japan and Russia, have been stalled since late 2005.

North Korea has long insisted that the U.S. desist from a campaign to sever its ties to the international financial system. Washington accuses Pyongyang of complicity in counterfeiting and money laundering to sell weapons of mass destruction.

The North has refused since last November to return to the nuclear talks, which also include China, Japan, Russia and South Korea. Pyongyang has sought bolster its negotiating position by a series of provocative actions, test-firing a barrage of missiles in July and performing its first-ever nuclear test Oct. 9.

CountryWatch: North Korea

Also Friday, employees of Chinese banks said they have suspended financial transactions to North Korea under orders from Beijing. China is the North's main trading partner, and the step could be a serious blow to its frail economy.

In Seoul, Rice said it was up to each country to decide how to comply with the U.N. sanctions approved after the Oct. 9 test. China and South Korea have balked at inspecting cargo on ships sailing to and from the North. Beijing said that could unnecessarily provoke Pyongyang.

The North says it needs nuclear weapons to counter U.S. aggression.

The United States has repeatedly said it does not intend to attack the North.

The two Koreas are technically at war, since the 1950-53 Korean War ended in a cease-fire.

The North's test challenges U.S.-South Korean ties, long strained by differences about how to deal with Pyongyang. The U.S. wants a tougher line, while Seoul is reluctant to inflame tensions.

Rice has reassured Seoul that the U.S. will defend the country if the North attacks. She brought a similar message to Japan, her first stop on a four-day trip devoted mostly to talks on the nuclear crisis.

Click here for FOXNews.com's North Korea Center.

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and pretty much all the externally verifiable evidence is that it was probably no such thing

Well, even Kim ill Jong admitted to it.



FOXNEWS.COM HOME > WORLD
Report: Kim Has No Plans for Second Nuclear Test, Regrets First Test

Friday, October 20, 2006
E-MAIL STORY
PRINTER FRIENDLY VERSION



BEIJING — North Korean leader Kim Jong-Il told a visiting Chinese delegation that the communist nation didn't plan to conduct additional nuclear tests, a news report said Friday.

Kim told Chinese envoy Tang Jiaxuan that "we have no plans for additional nuclear tests," Yonhap news agency reported, citing an unnamed diplomatic source in Beijing.

Kim also expressed regret about his country's nuclear test to the delegation and said Pyongyang would return to nuclear talks if Washington backs off from its financial sanctions, a South Korean newspaper reported Friday.

"If the U.S. makes a concession to some degree, we will also make a concession to some degree, whether it be bilateral talks or six-party talks," Kim was quoted as telling a Chinese envoy, the mass-circulation Chosun Ilbo reported, citing a diplomatic source in China.

Click here for FOXNews.com's North Korea Center.

Kim told the Chinese delegation that "he is sorry about the nuclear test," the newspaper reported.

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The delegation led by State Councilor Tang Jiaxuan met Kim on Thursday and returned to Beijing later that day — ahead of U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice's arrival in the Chinese capital Friday.

China is viewed as a key nation in efforts to persuade the North to disarm, as it is the isolated communist nation's main trading partner.

Rice and China's foreign minister called for resumed talks aimed at ending North Korea's nuclear program and appealed to the North for restraint amid fears it might conduct a second nuclear test.

Rice and Foreign Minister Li Zhaoxing said they agreed on enforcing U.N. sanctions imposed for the North's Oct. 9 nuclear test. But they gave no indication they agreed on tougher measures. China has been reluctant to push its isolated ally too hard for fear it might collapse.

"We hope all relevant parties will maintain coolheadedness, adopt a responsible approach and adhere to peaceful dialogue as the main approach," Li said at a joint appearance before reporters.

Rice flew to Beijing after visiting Tokyo and Seoul on a regional tour to lobby for support in enforcing U.N. sanctions imposed on the North last week. She said she and Li discussed the importance of enforcing the sanctions to prevent "trade in illegal materials, dangerous materials."

"We also talked about the importance of leaving open a path to negotiations through the six-party talks," Rice said. The talks, which include the United States, the two Koreas, host China, Japan and Russia, have been stalled since late 2005.

North Korea has long insisted that the U.S. desist from a campaign to sever its ties to the international financial system. Washington accuses Pyongyang of complicity in counterfeiting and money laundering to sell weapons of mass destruction.

The North has refused since last November to return to the nuclear talks, which also include China, Japan, Russia and South Korea. Pyongyang has sought bolster its negotiating position by a series of provocative actions, test-firing a barrage of missiles in July and performing its first-ever nuclear test Oct. 9.

CountryWatch: North Korea

Also Friday, employees of Chinese banks said they have suspended financial transactions to North Korea under orders from Beijing. China is the North's main trading partner, and the step could be a serious blow to its frail economy.

In Seoul, Rice said it was up to each country to decide how to comply with the U.N. sanctions approved after the Oct. 9 test. China and South Korea have balked at inspecting cargo on ships sailing to and from the North. Beijing said that could unnecessarily provoke Pyongyang.

The North says it needs nuclear weapons to counter U.S. aggression.

The United States has repeatedly said it does not intend to attack the North.

The two Koreas are technically at war, since the 1950-53 Korean War ended in a cease-fire.

The North's test challenges U.S.-South Korean ties, long strained by differences about how to deal with Pyongyang. The U.S. wants a tougher line, while Seoul is reluctant to inflame tensions.

Rice has reassured Seoul that the U.S. will defend the country if the North attacks. She brought a similar message to Japan, her first stop on a four-day trip devoted mostly to talks on the nuclear crisis.

Click here for FOXNews.com's North Korea Center.

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