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wowpow
September 22nd, 2006, 17:44
Chicken coup trail 23

Sonthi outsmarted Thaksin at the eleventh hour
by: Thanong Khanthong - The Nation

Had Council for Democratic Reform under Constitutional Monarchy (CDRM) leader General Sonthi Boonyaratglin not moved as fast as he did to stage a coup on Tuesday, Thaksin Shinawatra would have launched his own coup a day later. Don't be fooled by Thaksin's claim that he stands for democracy.

As the political crisis developed to the point of no return concerning whether Thaksin should stay or be booted out, General Sonthi had no choice but to swallow his words about the days of military coups being over. He had been very reluctant to resort to a coup, as he was known not to have any political ambitions. Moreover, he was not known to be an enemy of Thaksin. Although General Sonthi has a good relationship with both Privy Council President General Prem Tinsulanonda and Privy Council member General Surayuth Chulanont, he came to power partly due to a political compromise struck with Thaksin.

However, an intelligence report reached General Sonthi's camp stating that there would be bloodshed on Wednesday. The People's Alliance for Democracy had planned to hold a political rally that day at the Royal Plaza in order to force Thaksin out of politics. Had that rally taken place, there would have been clashes between the People's Alliance for Democracy and Thaksin's supporters and blood would have been spilt on Rajdamnoen Avenue. If only Thaksin had promised that he would take a break from politics and allow a period of political reforms to take place, the PAD and other branches of the anti-Thaksin movement would have declared victory. All political confrontations would have subsided. Thaksin could have run for office once the Constitution was amended, and he would have been returned to the premier's post, probably in the latter part of next year.

However, Thaksin never considered taking a break from power. Again, don't be fooled by his "taking a break" story - the idea never crossed his mind.

The General Sonthi camp learned that during the PAD rally, Yongyuth Tiyapairat and Newin Chidchob were planning to rally their supporters to create an ugly scene at the Royal Plaza. During the ensuing commotion, there would be human casualties. Thaksin would then have stepped in and declared a state of emergency, placing the country under martial law.

Now you can understand why he had time to prepare his state of emergency statement and read it at 9.20pm on Channel 9 from his New York hotel room. You can also understand why Yongyuth and Newin are now at the top of this country's most-wanted list and have surrendered themselves to the CDRM for interrogation.

Once the situation was under his complete control, Thaksin had planned to fly back yesterday in order to declare victory over anti-democratic elements in society. He had a military reshuffle list in hand that would have further consolidated his control over the military. With that accomplished, everything would have been easy. Virtually all institutions in the country would have been under his directive.

From his New York hotel, Thaksin was preparing to deliver an address at the UN Assembly. The room instead turned out to be the headquarters from which he attempted to launch a counter-coup and negotiate a political settlement. In New York, he planned to recruit top-notch American political consultants to advise him on his political campaign for the next election, which would have been pushed back from October 15 to some time in November.

Thaksin's talk of taking a break from politics was simply lip service. He told the Thai public he would decide whether to take a break from politics only after his Thai Rak Thai went to the Election Commission to register as candidates. This means Thaksin would have liked His Majesty the King to endorse a new election date before he made his decision.

Members of the Thai elite and the PAD, however, would not allow this to happen. If Thaksin were to run in the next election, he would have won. With 12 million votes or so, he would have claimed a democratic majority and he also would have stayed on as prime minister. After that he could rewrite Thai history by turning Thailand into his own regime.

General Sonthi had to act fast to head off Thaksin's coup. He staged a military coup on Tuesday, a day before the bloodshed was set to take place. He and Thaksin did have a telephone conversation on Tuesday evening, with Thaksin trying to buy time and negotiate a settlement.

He told General Sonthi that if he kept his cool, Thaksin would take a break from politics. He asked Sonthi to wait until he returned from New York so that the two could talk things out and said that he would reschedule his return flight to Bangkok to Wednesday, instead of yesterday as he had planned.

General Sonthi was polite, but told him that he had no choice, that he had to stage the coup.

In the meantime, Thaksin was checking on his military allies, who had control of Bangkok, for the most part. He remained certain that in a military power play, he could still emerge the victor. Maj-General Prin Suwannathat, commander of the First Infantry Brigade, is a close ally of Thaksin and he holds the most powerful military post in Bangkok. The commanders of the Air Force and the Navy are also good friends of Thaksin.

General Sonthi had the support of Lt-General Saphrang Kalayanamit of the Third Army, who had been outspoken in his anti-Thaksin remarks. The Third Army is in charge of all military operations in the North. Another key ally of Gen Sonthi is Lt-General Anupong Phaochinda of the First Infantry Division in Bangkok. Maj-General Sanit Prommas, the commander of the Second Cavalry Brigade, also came to play an important role in the power play to seize the capital.

Troops from Prachin Buri and Lop Buri were also mobilised to the capital to assist in the coup, the decisive outcome of which was ironically the victory of thaharn ban nok (upcountry military).

As it turned out, all of Thaksin's military allies, most notably Maj-General Prin, had been marked out - they could not move. General Ruengroj Mahasaranont, the supreme commander and a Thaksin ally, was to look after Bangkok once Thaksin had declared martial law. He too was subdued. Chidchai Vanasatidya and Prommin Lertsuridej were unable to launch any sort of counter effort.

Thaksin's wife Khunying Pojaman Shinawatra was supposed to take a 12am flight to Singapore on Tuesday night. She quickly changed her flight to 9pm. Well, Gen Sonthi had to let her off the hook.

Twenty-five minutes later, knowing that his wife was safely on an aircraft bound for Singapore, Thaksin read out his state of emergency address from his New York hotel room, effectively sacking General Sonthi .

But an hour later, General Sonthi declared a counter-coup to overthrow the Thaksin regime and tear up the Constitution.

The rest is history.

--The Nation 2006-09-22

wowpow
September 22nd, 2006, 18:03
BANGKOK: -- Gen Sonthi Boonyaratglin Friday entered a ceremony to officially receive His Majesty's the King's endorsement of his leadership as leader of the Council for Democratic Reform under Constitutional Monarchy (CDRM).

In a ceremony broadcast on TV pool, Army Commander in Chief Gen Sonthi Boonyaratglin stood before a shrine to HM the King while Adjutant Generals Department's Adjutant Maj Gen Manote Premwongsiri read out the Royal Order.

"Gen Sonthi informed HM the King that Thaksin Shinawatra as the prime minister severe division within the nation and destroyed national unity. This is something that has never happened in the country's history," according to the order as it was read out.

Most people believes that his administration was plagued with irregularies and corruption. Political interventions on independent bodies were rampant under Thaksin's watch. These interventions have created conflict and division. Many parties have tried but failed to accommodate the matters.

Therefore, the armed forces, police and civilian have decided to seize advministrative power under the leadership of General Sonthi Boonyaratglin, the head of the Council of Democratic Reform under Constitutional Monarchy.

For the sake of peace and national unity, HM the King has issued the Royal Order for General Sonthi as the leader of the Council of Democratic Reform under Constitutional Monarchy.

We urged the public to remain clam and we asked that all government civil servants support General Sonthi Boonyaratglin.

In white uniform, Sonthi -- flanked by other officers -- kneeled and bowed before a portrait of the king above the flower-bedecked shrine.

Analysts say royal support for the coup is the main reason why there has been no violence. Soldiers patrolling the streets have tied yellow ribbons on their weapons out of respect for the king.

The Nation

September 22nd, 2006, 18:06
The King was always going to find some way of forcing Thaksin out - he was making himself up to be a rival

September 27th, 2006, 10:49
The King was always going to find some way of forcing Thaksin out - he was making himself up to be a rival
Yes, the King is NOT above politics. About the coup: I told you so ...

September 27th, 2006, 19:54
The King was always going to find some way of forcing Thaksin out - he was making himself up to be a rival
Yes, the King is NOT above politics. About the coup: I told you so ...

Still making up stories as you go along thaiquila.

What you actually said was:

Not sure whether there will be a military coup or not, but in the context of Thailand, a coup isn't the worse thing that could happen, especially if it secures Thaksin's definitive EXIT.

You really must try harder to remember what crap you have spouted in the past. :cheers:

Smiles
September 27th, 2006, 22:53
. . . was Cedric, not Thaiqula.

In a topic started by him (on Sept 17) called "The Lull Before the Storm" (http://www.sawatdee-gay-thailand.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9238&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0) he was bang on with his thoughts on this just a few days before the military coup (on Sept 19).
Here's what he wrote:


" .... Having just come back from Thailand, I got the distinct feeling that some kind of coup is imminent. There is the classic build up, Prime minister suddenly trying, but unsuccessfully to rearrange the military, Royalty, with the military's backing opposing the Government. The prime minister making all sorts of desperate and "bizarre" overtures to the west for help, even likening himself to Aung San after he had to stay home for a day .... "

I've rolled the eyeballs seriously backwards at some of the nonsense he's been spewing lately, but as far as perceptive prognostication is concerned Cedric got it on the button.
And he doesn't even live in Thailand, as some do ....

Cheers ...

September 27th, 2006, 23:03
From me on that thread:


I have been reading that King Never Smiles book, and based on that, it would not be unheard of for the King to approve of a coup.

Like I said, there are alot worse things than a coup, if the coup led to fair elections.
The current situation with Thaksin pulling down the country is intolerable.

Viva the coup!
Lets hope Thailand gets it democratic act together while the current King is still alive!

Smiles
September 27th, 2006, 23:09
" ... From me on that thread ... "

:blackeye: :blackeye: :blackeye:
Rather in the same league as the " ... I am unique ... " self-analysis.


(How predictable)

Cheers ... :cheers:

September 27th, 2006, 23:32
" ... From me on that thread ... "

:blackeye: :blackeye: :blackeye:
Rather in the same league as the " ... I am unique ... " self-analysis.


(How predictable)

Cheers ... :cheers:

I think you meant the I am unique .....'self delusion' :bounce:

September 28th, 2006, 00:10
You are unique too, dear.

September 28th, 2006, 01:07
You are unique too, dear.

Not anywhere in your league. Unlike you I have not been banned for life from forums for posting offensive material.

http://ai-jane.org/forums/viewtopic.php ... sc&start=0 (http://ai-jane.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2466&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0)

sjaak327
September 28th, 2006, 01:40
From me on that thread:


I have been reading that King Never Smiles book, and based on that, it would not be unheard of for the King to approve of a coup.

Like I said, there are alot worse things than a coup, if the coup led to fair elections.
The current situation with Thaksin pulling down the country is intolerable.

Viva the coup!
Lets hope Thailand gets it democratic act together while the current King is still alive!

Don't get me started here, what nonsense to think that you would need a coup to get back to democracy. I didn't like Thaksin either, and sure he was corrupt, but he did win three elections in a row. (even thought the last one was boycotted by the opposition). Sonthi and Co had no business doing what they did. Further the role of Rama IX is of course not made public, but I have no doubt that he played some role. Without meaning any disrespect, I believe in a constitutional monarchy the key is that the monarch isn't a political power in his own right.

And let's face it, do you really believe that this is good for Thailand ? Freedom of press is limited, the promise that they will leave soon has been made, but Thailand has a history of the millitary "setting things right" and then hold on to power. What was wrong with the 1997 constitution anyway ?

I do hope the junta will keep their promises and that elections are going to be made possible as soon as possible.

September 28th, 2006, 04:38
Thats what I love about Thai democracy.....you need a King and the Military to administer it properly....
G

September 28th, 2006, 08:21
Thats what I love about Thai democracy.....you need a King and the Military to administer it properly....
GJust think what a bunch of queens could do

September 28th, 2006, 09:21
From me on that thread:


I have been reading that King Never Smiles book, and based on that, it would not be unheard of for the King to approve of a coup.

Like I said, there are alot worse things than a coup, if the coup led to fair elections.
The current situation with Thaksin pulling down the country is intolerable.

Viva the coup!
Lets hope Thailand gets it democratic act together while the current King is still alive!

Don't get me started here, what nonsense to think that you would need a coup to get back to democracy. I didn't like Thaksin either, and sure he was corrupt, but he did win three elections in a row. (even thought the last one was boycotted by the opposition). Sonthi and Co had no business doing what they did. Further the role of Rama IX is of course not made public, but I have no doubt that he played some role. Without meaning any disrespect, I believe in a constitutional monarchy the key is that the monarch isn't a political power in his own right.

And let's face it, do you really believe that this is good for Thailand ? Freedom of press is limited, the promise that they will leave soon has been made, but Thailand has a history of the millitary "setting things right" and then hold on to power. What was wrong with the 1997 constitution anyway ?

I do hope the junta will keep their promises and that elections are going to be made possible as soon as possible.
Yes, this coup is great news!
Thaksin was a murderous, thieving, corrupt dictator and any means needed to get rid of him were totally justified.
Yes, I agree, he could have won 10 more elections, but he still needed to go.
The fact that he could continue to win elections shows the sorry state of ignorance and lack of education in the Thai public. Thailand is not yet ready for real democracy and may never be, as long as it is controlled by the military and the royals, who do not favor an educated public.
Thaksin was pro democracy like Hitler and Marcos were pro democracy.
The way things have played out show the deep sickness in Thai politics, but it still needed to happen.
Hopefully, the Thai people, especially the young people and students will WAKE UP and save their country, because the NEXT King is not going to have the authority of the current King. Things need to change and change fast.

Oh, the problem with the constitution is that there were too many LOOPHOLES to allow a power mad corrupt rich man like Thaksin to seize total power.

September 28th, 2006, 10:42
BTW:
Long ago I said the Thais would go after Thaksin's plundered riches. And now they are. And you guys mocked me.
Again: I TOLD YOU SO.

Smiles
September 28th, 2006, 10:50
FROM THIS BOARD:
" ... And you guys mocked me. Again: I TOLD YOU SO.... "

FROM SOME OTHER BOARD:
" ... In any event, I decided to sign up here and turn over a new leaf. I think it is time for me to take a pill and be a little calmer...."
Eminently mockable ... is all one can say.
Thaiquila, was there ever a time when you didn't have to take a boot out of your own mouth?

Cheers .... :blackeye:

September 28th, 2006, 10:57
Frankly, sir, I don't know what my postings on AMERICAN politics boards (TOTALLY OUT OF CONTEXT) have to do with my posts here.

As far as being banned for life, I was indeed banned for life TWICE on the bearpit.net but I now fully reinstated.
In both cases, these were about GAY ISSUES, as the management of that board is quite anti gay.
So great that gays are trashing me here on a GAY board for being pro gay. Typical.
Trouble is that board is too boring now. Will probably get better as we approach the 2008 presidential elections.
BTW, I am NOT a Hillary fan, but if we are stuck with her, could do worse.

September 28th, 2006, 11:05
So great that gays are trashing me here on a GAY board for being pro gay.

I think you've misunderstood. You're being trashed here not because you are pro gay, but because you are an idiot.