Pattaya?Chonburi Curfew

[dab69]

That's all the fuck they need...

https://www.pattayamail.com/latestnews/news/pattaya-and-chonburi-shut-businesses-imposes-voluntary-curfew-363262

Wonder what the homeless boys will do now?

The non-curfew curfew, as in “deep red” provinces, runs from 9 p.m. to 4 a.m. and forces the closure of gas stations, restaurants, food carts, department stores, retail and convenience stores, all markets, massage shops, pools, water parks, game and internet cafes, amulet shops, beauty clinics, tattoo shops, and all prior venues that were ordered closed.

Hospital canteens are permitted to remain open overnight, and alcohol remains outlawed after 8 p.m. No pairs or groups of people are allowed to congregate in public.

[Dodger]

Why they've waited this long to keep people from leaving Bangkok to travel to other provinces is beyond comprehension.

Maybe Pattaya should take some lessons from little-old Bang Saray around the bay.

Every time there's been an increase in covid cases resulting in Provinces locking down, shutting businesses, etc., Bang Saray simply posts large signs along the oceanfront informing outsiders (mostly from Bangkok) that the beach and hotels are closed to non-residents. Without the beach and lodging, there's little motivation for outsiders to come to Bang Saray.

When this pandemic started the town council hired and staffed around 60 Thai workers who are responsible for cleaning and disinfecting the public areas, including the parks, recreational areas and the beach front. These workers are also equipped with walkie-talkies that they wear around their waists - and trained to observe license plates, vehicle stickers, and the people themselves, to identify "residents" from "outsiders". They are instructed to phone a Town Council Hot Line if any outsiders enter our town. Any outsiders who enter Bang Saray who don't adhere to the posted signs are escorted out of Bang Saray. If they return, they are fined.

As a result of these actions, our little town on the bay remains safe...fully opened to residents...businesses operating as usual...and there has not been a single case of covid among the residents of Bang Saray since this pandemic started 18 month ago.

[Oliver2]

The spread of the virus into rural areas is a serious issue for some. One such area in Kamphaeng Phaet has remained safe until the last three weeks or so, when visitors from Bangkok arrived. Just as Bangkok hi-so bars played a crucial role in re-invigorating the spread of Covid in the city a few weeks ago, unrestricted travel out of Bangkok is exacerbating the situation in the very places where health-care is less well- resourced.

[Newbie99]

523 new cases today in Chonburi. They are going to need more than just a curfew.

[Manforallseasons]

523 new cases today in Chonburi. They are going to need more than just a curfew.

This is a no brainer, Chonburi needs a mass vaccinations other than Sinovac and needs it now!

[arsenal]

You're not going to get it. Even Sinovac is in short supply. You can't completely blame the Thai govt. The UK spent £12bn on vaccines and Thailand just doesn't have that sort of money lying around..

[goji]

You're not going to get it. Even Sinovac is in short supply. You can't completely blame the Thai govt. The UK spent £12bn on vaccines and Thailand just doesn't have that sort of money lying around..

Thailand has over $30 billion in foreign exchange reserves. Someone who I cannot mention is allegedly worth over $30 million.
Meanwhile, the Astra Zeneca vaccine costs about £4 per dose (180 baht). So to buy 2 doses for everyone in Thailand would cost about £560 million. The government can afford that.

[The UK government figure includes buying about 5 doses per person and other investment in vaccine development capability. Probably a lot of waste, as is the norm with public spending from any party.]

[Dodger]

[QUOTE=arsenal;280759

...... Thailand just doesn't have that sort of money lying around..[/QUOTE]

Well, not exactly lying around. It's stuffed inside the room safes of those 2,000 fat generals they have on staff.

[Moses]

This is a no brainer, Chonburi needs a mass vaccinations other than Sinovac and needs it now!

"Other than Sinovac" sounds quite stupid at time of pandemy.

By the way: husband who finished Sinovac vaccination 2 months ago, now has 800+ au/ml antibodies level (minimal level for protection is 60 au/ml).

[Dodger]

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By the way: husband who finished Sinovac vaccination 2 months ago, now has 800+ au/ml antibodies level (minimal level for protection is 60 au/ml).

He must be eating a healthy diet.

Either that or they gave him a real vaccine by mistake...LOL

[Manforallseasons]

"Other than Sinovac" sounds quite stupid at time of pandemy.

By the way: husband who finished Sinovac vaccination 2 months ago, now has 800+ au/ml antibodies level (minimal level for protection is 60 au/ml).


Can you read English or do you only like anything Russian or Chinese?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/07/12/coronavirus-latest-updates/

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/hundreds-thai-medical-workers-infected-despite-sinovac-vaccinations-2021-07-11/

[dab69]

The Thai government held the official ceremony July 12 to receive 1,053,090 doses of AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine donated by the government of Japan to help fight the spread of COVID-19.

https://www.pattayamail.com/thailandnews/japan-donates-1-05-million-doses-of-astrazeneca-vaccine-to-thailand-363219


Wish they all went to Pattaya.

[Nirish guy]

The Thai government .... to receive 1,053,090 doses of AstraZeneca.

What I want to know is who was the twisted bugger who thought it prudent to order THAT exact number of doses and why one gods earth they couldn't have upped their order by a mere 10 doses to at bring the amount of doses ordered up to a nice round 1,054,000 number, to assist the ease of reporting if nothing else whilst calming my OCD ! :-)

[Brad the Impala]

Can you read English or do you only like anything Russian or Chinese?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/07/12/coronavirus-latest-updates/

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/hundreds-thai-medical-workers-infected-despite-sinovac-vaccinations-2021-07-11/

Although Sinovac is bottom of the efficacy charts for vaccines, it is still much better than no vaccine at all. In the attached article the quoted number of infections after double vaccinations was 1%. In the UK, where everyone was vaccinated with other vaccines, it is still the case that half the people being admitted to hospital, and also dying, had already been double vaccinated.

[Moses]

Can you read English or do you only like anything Russian or Chinese?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/07/12/coronavirus-latest-updates/

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/hundreds-thai-medical-workers-infected-despite-sinovac-vaccinations-2021-07-11/

Yes, I can read English. Moreover: I can read numbers (surprise!): with SinoVac and tyrany in China died in 1.5 years the same amount what died in India in 2 hours, the same amount what died in US in 4 days, the same amount what died in UK in 20 days... do you want me to continue to count?

With Sinovac there are 0 (zero) deaths in China at past week and 1800+ deaths in USA with Moderna/Pfizer. As per WHO each 100000 injections of Astra follows by 1 death from blood clot and 1 from heart muscles inflammation. But you still may make "big eyes" when you hear "Sinovac".

P.S. all numbers are counted rough, source https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table

[Manforallseasons]

With Sinovac there are 0 (zero) deaths in China at past week and 1800+ deaths in USA with Moderna/Pfizer. As per WHO each 100000 injections of Astra follows by 1 death from blood clot and 1 from heart muscles inflammation. But you still may make "big eyes" when you hear "Sinovac".

P.S. all numbers are counted rough, source https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table

Why am I not surprised that you believe in a country of 1.5 Billion people not 1 death in a week was covid related….and the pope is not catholic.

[Moses]

you believe

I do not believe. I know. After 1 tested positive to COVID Chinese lock quartal in city where he lives and testing whole population 2 times. They have fully automated qr-code system where your green qr-code will became red in 5 min if you was in the same bus where this one positive had ride or at the same shop at next few hours after his visit. With red qr-code you cannot enter to any public place in China, can't use public transport or taxi and must self-quarantine yourself at home. Police and doctors will arrive in 30 min after red QR for to check you and take test. Chinese have check-in every time when they entering any public place or car or train.

Friend of my husband had visit at Friday night to friend's BF apts. And they were locked for one week in apts because one of inhabitants in the same building got red QR-code, so their QR-became red as well because of the same GPS point. Chinese now have most effective preventing viruses spreading system in World, that why with Sinovac and surveillance via QR they have only 170 cases at past week per 1.5 Billion people country.

[arsenal]

Moses. Your point is somewhat selective in.its accuracy. No one is allowed in to China so no new cases are being imported. Only when Sinovac comes up against the new muscle boy variants will we know what it's properties are. It's like saying there are no shark attacks in Kazakhstan and lots in Australia so therefore the people of Kazakhstan must be immune to sharks.

[Moses]

No one is allowed in to China

It isn't true. All Chinese students who studied here in Russian and finished their study are coming back to homeland since end of June. I think what Chinese students from other countries do the same.

[goji]

It isn't true. All Chinese students who studied here in Russian and finished their study are coming back to homeland since end of June. I think what Chinese students from other countries do the same.

I can confirm that Chinese students have been coming and going from the UK for most of the past year.
Requirements keep changing, but upon returning to China, I think they need a PCR test, an antibody test and I think it's 2 weeks in a quarantine hotel, which may even be followed by another week of isolation at home.

[Uranus]

They have fully automated qr-code system where your green qr-code will became red in 5 min if you was in the same bus where this one positive had ride or at the same shop at next few hours after his visit. With red qr-code you cannot enter to any public place in China, can't use public transport or taxi and must self-quarantine yourself at home. Police and doctors will arrive in 30 min after red QR for to check you and take test. Chinese have check-in every time when they entering any public place or car or train.

Sounds like George Orwell to me.

[Dodger]

A country that restricts Freedom of Speech and Freedom of the Press stands at a distinct disadvantage when it comes to expecting people to believe what they are saying. Can't have it both ways. You're either free to report the covid data accurately, without any constraints from the government, or you're not.

Until the day comes that the Chinese people have Freedom of Speech and Freedom of the Press, the reports and data they present to the World, such as this covid data, will fall under a tremendous amount of scrutiny, and deservedly so.

I'm no expert of this (and don't want to be), but the Sinovac vaccine sure seems to be getting a lot of bad Press lately. The Thais don't even want it - free or not, and the epidemiologists around the planet are saying that it has the lowest efficacy rating of all vaccines, and doesn't stand up against the Delta variant either. Sorry, but this just sounds like cheap Chinese crap to me. ..which isn't at all surprising.

[arsenal]

I don't know exactly why but there is something inherently secretive about the entire nation. Perhaps because in the past the wrong word could get you executed. We live in a world in which almost nothing can be kept secret for ever. Quite why the Chinese govt believe they can successfully watch 1.5bn people but no one can watch them is unfathomable.

Inch by inch the narrative of this is leading to the conclusion it escaped from a lab in Wuhan.



https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-who-calls-for-more-transparency-from-china-about-virus-origins-as-head-says-lab-accidents-happen-12356768

[goji]

"Other than Sinovac" sounds quite stupid at time of pandemy.

By the way: husband who finished Sinovac vaccination 2 months ago, now has 800+ au/ml antibodies level (minimal level for protection is 60 au/ml).

https://www.bangkokpost.com/world/2149955/biontech-produces-10-times-more-antibodies-than-sinovac-study
https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/2147667/sinovac-produced-antibodies-halve-every-40-days

And..... "It has an efficacy rate of 50.4% for preventing symptomatic infection, according to data from a Brazilian trial"

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/sinovac-covid-19-vaccine-what-are-the-side-effects

So better than nothing, but I think most people would consider Sinovac as the worst of the vaccines.

[Moses]

So better than nothing, but I think most people would consider Sinovac as the worst of the vaccines.

Just look at Chinese sickness numbers and compare with UK, USA or France.

"Most people" still think what God exists and already forgot what USA is the only country in World what made nuclear bombing of civilians.

[goji]

Just look at Chinese sickness numbers and compare with UK, USA or France.

National infection rate figures are never a measure of vaccine efficacy.
Particularly when certain nations were claiming better figures long before they ever started using the vaccine and when some of the figures are considered to be fraudulent by many independent observers.

[Blueskytoday]

Just looked on line..China says 26 cases yesterday and all imported...a billion people and NO new cases?????? and 26 new cases ALL from people coming in???

[arsenal]

""Most people" still think what God exists and already forgot what USA is the only country in World what made nuclear bombing of civilians."

Most people in the world still think that after what the Japanese did in WWII they deserved it.
(300,000 civilians killed in Nanking alone) Anyway, it's war. Fuck the Geneva Convention. You do what you have to to win..

[Dodger]

Just looked on line..China says 26 cases yesterday and all imported...a billion people and NO new cases?????? and 26 new cases ALL from people coming in???

That would be 1.4 billion people, and the statistical probability of NO new cases for a population that large in the current climate is ZERO.

If the REAL numbers were being reported FREELY in the Press, sales of Sinovac and Sinopharm vaccines would plummet.

[Newbie99]

So, there is an informal curfew now in Chonburi.

The national press is reporting that more restrictions are coming. I am sitting in my condo here wondering WTF I am going to do if there is a total lockdown.

[Dodger]

The national press is reporting that more restrictions are coming. I am sitting in my condo here wondering WTF I am going to do if there is a total lockdown.

How much would a full lockdown really effect you?

I know this sounds like a ridiculous question, but what more can a full lockdown do - that's not already being done. They could completely close the restaurants I guess, but you could always order in. The bars and entertainment venues are already closed - so no big change there. They may possible close the beaches which may be an inconvenience to you.

How do you think a full lockdown would effect you personally?

[Sen Yai]

How much would a full lockdown really effect you?

I know this sounds like a ridiculous question, but what more can a full lockdown do - that's not already being done. They could completely close the restaurants I guess, but you could always order in. The bars and entertainment venues are already closed - so no big change there. They may possible close the beaches which may be an inconvenience to you.

How do you think a full lockdown would effect you personally?

'Full lock-down' has been implemented in a number of cities around the world in the the course of the pandemic and the rules of course vary from city to city. But in broad terms it means you must stay at home and not leave the house without good reason, subject to a few exceptions and concessions. That's not just a night-time curfew; it's stay at home 24/7. The residents of Melbourne are very familiar with this condition and they are currently experiencing a snap 5-day lock-down, announced last Thursday. The 5th time lock-down has been imposed there. The rules are summarised in this article; https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-15/melbourne-snap-lockdown-covid-19-restrictions-pandemic-/100296392. Work from home, shopping for food only once per day, limited outdoor exercise. That's it.

So, in Thailand, if full lock down means something similar, then it doesn't matter if the bars and beaches are open or closed: you must stay at home. As for the possibility of ordering food delivery from restaurants depends on whether they are allowed to continue operation to provide such a service, or indeed if they believe it to be economically viable (Ref the Silom Soi 4 thread). The likes of McD's and kitchens turning out Thai dishes will probably continue to operate in some form, but whether you will be able to order a meatloaf from Yupins remains to be seen. If you aren't capable of rustling up meals from fresh and basic ingredients, you might be living on cold sandwiches and fruit pies from 7/11 for a while.

[Dodger]

'Full lock-down' has been implemented in a number of cities around the world in the the course of the pandemic and the rules of course vary from city to city. But in broad terms it means you must stay at home and not leave the house without good reason, subject to a few exceptions and concessions. That's not just a night-time curfew; it's stay at home 24/7. The residents of Melbourne are very familiar with this condition and they are currently experiencing a snap 5-day lock-down, announced last Thursday. The 5th time lock-down has been imposed there. The rules are summarised in this article; https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-15/melbourne-snap-lockdown-covid-19-restrictions-pandemic-/100296392. Work from home, shopping for food only once per day, limited outdoor exercise. That's it.

So, in Thailand, if full lock down means something similar, then it doesn't matter if the bars and beaches are open or closed: you must stay at home. As for the possibility of ordering food delivery from restaurants depends on whether they are allowed to continue operation to provide such a service, or indeed if they believe it to be economically viable (Ref the Silom Soi 4 thread). The likes of McD's and kitchens turning out Thai dishes will probably continue to operate in some form, but whether you will be able to order a meatloaf from Yupins remains to be seen. If you aren't capable of rustling up meals from fresh and basic ingredients, you might be living on cold sandwiches and fruit pies from 7/11 for a while.

Wow...that's a horse of a different color.

I'm sure glad I don't live in Pattaya.

[Manforallseasons]

Speculation serves no one, the Governor of Chonburi will make an announcement Monday July 19 regarding additional Covid restrictions.

[a447]

Allowing restaurants to deliver food should be a big no-no.

Haven't they learnt any lessons from the past? My friends, who were passengers on the Diamond Princess which was moored in Yokohama for weeks at the start of the pandemic, were just sitting there waiting for the virus to eventually get to them. Luckily, they were able to leave the ship in time.

It was later discovered that the virus spread quickly amongst the passengers through the food delivery to the cabins- the virus was on the trays and food packages.

I fear the delta variant is now out of control in Thailand. With a lack of vaccines and a roll-out fiasco taking place, the future looks dark indeed.

[vnman]

P.S. all numbers are counted rough, source https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table

Very good comparison.

Some of my friends from different countries are pissing me off to no end. What's this counting off cases and pretending that your country is doing so well. For example: Germany has 8k new cases listed but 135 deads. But they give the Dutch policies (who I agree haven't all been up to par) so much negativity. The Netherlands with almost 70k cases but only 10 death in the last 7 days.

The same goes for the UK, Merkel is telling Johnson that he shouldn't open the country back up tomorrow. The UK has almost 300k cases but only double the deaths of Germany.

Could it be that Germany has a problem? I suggest they close their borders and get their people vaccinated so they can stop whining about other countries cases. The only way we can open is if we accept a higher number of covid cases. We need to start focusing on hospitalizations and deaths. These should really be the only numbers we measure this thing by.

Thailand needs to take what it can get when it comes to vaccines.

[Dodger]

Here's the latest scoop on what lockdown restrictions may be imposed in Pattaya beginning Tuesday, July 20:

https://www.pattayamail.com/news/what-leaving-your-pattaya-home-only-when-necessary-means-in-practice-363963

[mr giggles]

Here's the latest scoop on what lockdown restrictions may be imposed in Pattaya beginning Tuesday, July 20:

https://www.pattayamail.com/news/what-leaving-your-pattaya-home-only-when-necessary-means-in-practice-363963

Link broken, like the poster...

[Dodger]

Lockdown Restrictions Confirmed:

Honestly, with the bars and entertainment venues all closed, I don't imagine too many people even want to go out after 9:00 PM. Where in the hell would they go?

https://pattayaone.news/new-curfew-restrictions-will-be-imposed/

[Dodger]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAEppFUWLfc


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAEppFUWLfc

[Nirish guy]

Title the above link perhaps - to avoid others wasting time if it's not so relevant perhaps ( even I got where you're coming from with that giving the thread).
Tks

[a447]

Posts referring to covid conspiracy theories be been moved here:

https://sawatdeenetwork.com/v4/showthread.php?22275-Covid-conspiracy-theories

A447
Moderator

[Dodger]

The Lockdown has been extended to the end of August.

No real surprise here.

https://pattayaone.news/lockdown-measures-extended-till-end-of-august/

[Nirish guy]

A video showing the gay beach area at Jomtien (or lack of) and the other side of the beach area too - if you jump along to around 9.15 or so in the video that's the gay beach area. I should point out that there are a ton of videos now appearing on Youtube, some of which showing Pattaya to be looking like something out of a end of days zombie movie but I figured an empty beach is all we could stomach today perhaps - the rest will all appear on all our screens in due course no doubt by the looks of it . :-(


https://youtu.be/bN9zOLcZveE

[Nirish guy]

Another video, but this one not showing things not totally dead for once thankfully - but with the bars closed etc a lot of course all just a shadow of what we know and would expect to see.

This time the guy is waking in the evening time for a change and he covers quite a large area ( including streets I'm guessing those of us who frequent Mosaic etc know all to well).

For those that applies for some of our usual points of interest you can jump straight on to 29.00 for the Soi Day night area or 30.00 to pass Mosaic ( still open albeit the soi is dark) or on to 39.00 for the Soi day night food night market (thankfully still trading) or 45.00 as he walks past Boystown Soi - which it seems was in such darkness he didn't even bother to pan his camera round to look down it :-(

I have to say though Thailand with it's troubles or not just now, if the choice was sitting stuck in the UK doing nothing special or sitting in Thailand I think I'd still be choosing Thailand perhaps ( medical risks aside of course for those who have them) as I still just prefer the overall feeling and vibe of the place - but maybe ask me that in a few months again and I hope i can still say the same.


https://youtu.be/4T-L3k-2jZE

[goji]

The previous video has helpful location guidance at the bottom of the screen.
From 24~35 min is around the back of Tuk Com, Soi Day Night etc. Best viewed at 2x speed.

Male masseurs can be seen outside one massage shop, which looks like it's open for business.

Other non-essential businesses open include phone shops and (probably) a tattoo shop. This looks much less severe than European style full lockdown.

[Nirish guy]

This looks much less severe than European style full lockdown.

Which could of course be half the problem with the Delta variant doing the rounds ! :-(

[Dodger]

Another video, but this one not showing things not totally dead for once thankfully - but with the bars closed etc a lot of course all just a shadow of what we know and would expect to see.

I was getting tired just listening to that guys footsteps...that dude can sure walk.

After watching this long video I was left with two rather profound thoughts;

1) There's no city on earth that was created for having more fun that Pattaya.
2) It's only sleeping...with one eye open...just waiting for the signal to start breathing life again.

[gerefan2]

I saw on one of the Pattaya News Clips that the usual population of Pattaya is about 600,000. It said that, at present, the population is down to 200,000, the rest having gone home. That got me thinking.

Pattaya has 4,000,000 tourists a year. Assuming each one stays about 3 weeks that is another 250,000 people.

So actually the usual population is about 600,000 plus 250,000 tourists (850,000) at any one point in time. Many more in the high season....well over 1,000,000 I guess.

So with only 200,000 people in town, no wonder it looks empty.

[arsenal]

Name that tune.

Through Pattaya's winter streets we used to walk our way.
We always loved that time of year.
The boys we loved are all at home now.
Cos we're not there, cos we're not there.

The summer sun will fade and so will virus time.
The autumn leaves they will return.
The boys will bus their way to Pattaya.
All of us yearn, all of us yearn.

Through Jomtiens bustling sois we'll wander once again.
The boys will shout to us 'heeeellloo'.
They will be offed and we will love them.
Just when I don't know, just when I don't know.

[Dodger]

I saw on one of the Pattaya News Clips that the usual population of Pattaya is about 600,000. It said that, at present, the population is down to 200,000,........

Some friendly advice:

Don't ever pay too much attention to numbers over here. Thailand doesn't even know what it's own population is, let alone a single city. The same holds true for the "tourist" numbers, and tourism's contribution to the annual GNP. That's a dart toss as well.

They don't have the systems, and/or, don't know how to administer and manage the systems they do have to maintain any meaningful data. This is obviously a systemic problem in Thailand, and not isolated to any one area. This is still a "paper & pencil" society...and the Cabinet Ministers and Generals have big erasers.

The newspapers commonly report the numbers they are given by some Bozo who just walked out of a meeting not knowing what the fuck is going on himself, and then prints this in his newspaper. For this reason, it's rare that any two newspapers in Thailand report the same numbers...not on any topic.

Common sense is the only tool available.

By looking at the video of Pattaya that NIrish just posted, and seeing what's going on with your own eyes, coupled with what you know about the Delta variant that's sweeping across Thailand - which hasn't even plateaued yet, do you think Pattaya's entertainment venues will be up-and-running in a few months - or would common sense tell you something different?

[goji]

They don't have the systems, and/or, don't know how to administer and manage the systems they do have to maintain any meaningful data. This is obviously a systemic problem in Thailand, and not isolated to any one area.
When I check in to a hotel or apartment in Pattaya, I fill in a form and they scan my passport. Then when I go down to Jomtien immigration, this is already on the computer, so they know exactly where I live. All Thailand needs is some software to add up the numbers and they know how many live in Pattaya, excluding the unregistered illegals.
Of course, as you suggest, there is a fair chance that they don't have the software to calculate a total.
Thailand does not seem very good at IT. That's why the lady with the computer that knows where I live gives me a slip of paper to take to the visa extension desk, rather than the visa extension computer approving it automatically.



By looking at the video of Pattaya that NIrish just posted, and seeing what's going on with your own eyes, coupled with what you know about the Delta variant that's sweeping across Thailand - which hasn't even plateaued yet, do you think Pattaya's entertainment venues will be up-and-running in a few months - or would common sense tell you something different?
I don't think anyone here is waiting for ALL the entertainment venues to open in 2021. Just enough for some fun. So the video of today doesn't tell us whether any will open in 4 months time.
As for the pandemic, well the big question is how many months the current wave lasts for and whether or not Thailand gets it's vaccine factory running properly.

[gerefan2]

By looking at the video of Pattaya that NIrish just posted, and seeing what's going on with your own eyes, coupled with what you know about the Delta variant that's sweeping across Thailand - which hasn't even plateaued yet, do you think Pattaya's entertainment venues will be up-and-running in a few months - or would common sense tell you something different?

This is new ground for us all.

Let me tell you what happened on my last visit to Pattaya.

After quarantine in December everything closed for a few weeks in early January. No bars, no Gogo’s and restaurants closed by 9 pm. No booze.

A few weeks later restrictions were lifted and everything opened very quickly indeed.

Jomtien was up and running with all bars open. What was left of Sunee Plaza was also up and running as before. For the most part Boyztown bars and Gogo’s were open...those that don’t cater for the Chinese. They stayed closed.

The problem was no tourists. But they made the effort.

And some of the straight bars in Soi Buckow were absolutely booming. Not so Walking Street, again no tourists.

So yes I can see another very quick resurrection as soon as restrictions are lifted again. Clearly bar owners are keen to restart business ..it just needs customers to return. That’s what the Sandpit projects are all about.

So yes, provided entertainment is open, I will return this winter.

[goji]

Let me tell you what happened on my last visit to Pattaya.
After quarantine in December everything closed for a few weeks in early January. No bars, no Gogo’s and restaurants closed by 9 pm. No booze.
A few weeks later restrictions were lifted and everything opened very quickly indeed.

Jomtien was up and running with all bars open.

Yes, we had about 4 days out of quarantine, then the bars shut down in late December.
During the day, we could use restaurants, coffee shops, the beach and after just a handful of days, all the non-essential shops reopened.
So far fewer restrictions than the UK at the time. I didn't expect it to be effective in controlling the outbreak.
However the number of cases came down and then enough of the bars opened.

Now Thailand is attempting to use similar "soft lockdown" tactics, but they have the Delta variant to deal with. Again, I doubt this will work.

An awful lot can change in the 4 months between now and when I would like to be in Thailand next.
One thing they do need to do is accelerate the vaccination programme. At current rates of progress, they will only have given doses to 60% of the population.

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It was mentioned that due to the affect that Covid has had on the local economy that the population in Pattaya has gone from 600,000 to 200,000 I believe this as few workers here come from Pattaya so they returned to there families up country where they can live on almost nothing as compared to Pattaya.

Thailand pins hope on opening next year:
https://www.pattayamail.com/latestnews/news/thailand-is-pinning-its-hopes-on-a-tourist-recovery-next-year-366601

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The following figures are from Reuters.

"Thailand has administered at least 22,288,819 doses of COVID vaccines so far.
Assuming every person needs 2 doses, that’s enough to have vaccinated about 16% of the country’s population.
During the last week reported, Thailand averaged about 417,239 doses administered each day."

My analysis on this:
The population is about 70 million.

Over 400,000 vaccines per day is starting to be respectable.
IF they continue at 417k per day, then by 12 Dec, they should have delivered approximately an extra 50 million doses, so a total of 72 million doses.
That's roughly where the UK was on 14 June.

I would think that ought to permit at least some easing of restrictions for the winter holiday season.

All dependent on them maintaining the current rate of vaccinations. In practice, it could increase or decrease.


(https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-maps/countries-and-territories/thailand/)