A Thai Boys Perspective

[Dodger]

I’ve talked at length with several Thai boys recently to gain some insight as to how they view life after the Pandemic. A few of the boys I’m referring to are working boys who are currently biding their time until the bars reopen. One boy is someone I’ve known for years, who has been homeless for close to a year now struggling to make ends meet. Another was a taxi driver in Pattaya for 12 years, who now mans a fruit stand in Bang Saray, and the final boy being Jai, my better half, who has never been on the working scene, but understands the effects of the Pandemic on the economy, and the inner workings of Gay Thailand very well.

The responses I received were similar in nature regarding the future of the Gay Scene. All of the boys, including Jai, believe that the gay scene will continue to survive. The main reasons they cited included: Too many unemployed working boys (and girls) in Thailand, with too few options for making money. They also believe the demand for these services will increase when the travel restrictions are lifted and tourists return. Every boy questioned mentioned these points. None of the boys gave any indication that they saw the gay scene disappearing, only breathing life again when the tourists return. Overall, I sensed optimism about the future of the gay scene in general.

The answers I received to questions related to the Gogo Bars varied: Some boys think they will survive, but will be fewer in number. Several boys see “host bars” are being more prominent in places like Pattaya going forward, and one boy see’s gogo bars as being history. (that happened to be Jai’s response). All agreed that the dating apps will continue to grow in size and popularity in the future.

Other opinions that the boys seemed to share in common include the following: There will be big problems in Bangkok – changes in the government occurring over time – and a lot of the power being returned to the Boys-in-Brown (BIB) versus the military control we see now. Interesting that they (the boys) view this as a positive, because, in their eyes, the BIB are the ones who actually protected “The Scene”. Even with the random raids, pee tests, arrests, and fines being imposed on bar owners, they collectively viewed this as a necessary evil to keep the wheels turning. I tend to agree with them on this point, although was a bit surprised that they would view this the same way.

All of the boys I talked to have a very healthy fear of Covid. Much more than the average person in the West in my opinion, as evidenced by the fact that the majority of Thais have kept those masks glued to their faces since this pandemic first started, as compared to people in the West, many of which still can’t be bothered.

Jai explained to me once that this is has a lot to do with Thai culture in general. Thais, who are submersed in superstitions stemming from their interpretations (or, misinterpretations) of Buddhism since birth, believe just as much in the existence of things you can’t see with your eyes, than the tangible things that you can see. This the reason for those spirit houses you see planted in the ground in front of dwellings all over Thailand. Their ingrained belief in invisible ghosts and spirits that you can only sense as being present, is what lays the foundation for this deep respect (fear) that they all have for this virus. Thais know the virus is something you can’t see – but not respecting its presence can kill you. This, according to Jai, is the reason Thais take Covid so seriously.

Not at all surprising to me, is the fact that the boys view “the future” as being months away – not years, or even decades away, like most westerners would. Maybe for them this makes sense. Why try to see or understand something that’s so far away that it’s simply out of your control.

None of the Boy’s answers really surprised me, but I did find it astonishing, that the ones who are suffering the most, had the least to complain about. Maybe there’s a lesson in there somewhere for all of us.

[dab69]

Thanks.
Always nice to find out whats going on inside those beautiful minds.

[StevieWonders]

In summary:

Trends evident before the pandemic will continue when the tourists return
The tourists will return “within months”

This second one raises an interesting point. The government has said tourists won’t return until next year unless the “Sandbox” model, scheduled to start in Phuket in 9 weeks, comes into effect. Given the expressed scepticism of some Forum members, were these Thai guys challenged on this belief of theirs?

[cdnmatt]

[QUOTE=Dodger;277700They also believe the demand for these services will increase when the travel restrictions are lifted and tourists return.[/quote]

Totally agreed. As I've said many times when threads pop up with a doom and gloom, "that's it, Pattaya is finally over for good, last nail in the coffin", I mention they can expect probably ten times the number of money boys in the future once this pandemic is behind us.

Now whether or not that's a good or bad thing all depends on your world view...

[Manforallseasons]

Totally agreed. As I've said many times when threads pop up with a doom and gloom, "that's it, Pattaya is finally over for good, last nail in the coffin", I mention they can expect probably ten times the number of money boys in the future once this pandemic is behind us.

Now whether or not that's a good or bad thing all depends on your world view...


It’s impossible not to realize that here in Pattaya the gay scene has continued to shrink way before Covid. Sunee is all but gone, Boystown is basically finished and if any place is left standing it will be the Complex, hardly a reason to entice hordes of gay tourists to come back.

[cdnmatt]

It’s impossible not to realize that here in Pattaya the gay scene has continued to shrink way before Covid. Sunee is all but gone, Boystown is basically finished and if any place is left standing it will be the Complex, hardly a reason to entice hordes of gay tourists to come back.

Right, and you can expect that trend to reverse as poverty increases due to the pandemic.

[arsenal]

When they come to write the history, the loss of gay ghettos where anything went will be talked about in the same way as Pompeii, Machu Pichu and Troy.

How did such an advanced civilisation just disappear?

[goji]

When they come to write the history, the loss of gay ghettos where anything went will be talked about in the same way as Pompeii, Machu Pichu and Troy.

How did such an advanced civilization just disappear?

Mostly traceable to the main event on 29 June 2007. With perhaps a few other contributing factors, like mismanagement of some businesses.

https://images.app.goo.gl/aVAk7LsH3qoRyyRY8

[arsenal]

No Goji. Even before then bars were opening and closing. But, there was a regular supply of usually middle aged guys to replenish the stock of owners. 2008 saw the massacre of the 2/3 year sabbatical owners.

[goji]

No Goji. Even before then bars were opening and closing. But, there was a regular supply of usually middle aged guys to replenish the stock of owners. 2008 saw the massacre of the 2/3 year sabbatical owners.
Would it be possible to elaborate on your hypothesis please, particularly the sabbatical owners ? I might learn something.

If the 2008 global financial crises is a cause, well the MSCI world index is over twice peak pre-GFC levels, so there has been a strong recovery in stock markets.
If it's exchange rates, well I agree that has to be a contributor. I'm not entirely convinced it was sufficient to entirely account for Sunee Plaza going from ~12 gogo bars to 2.

As for my smartphone hypothesis, since we have online dating:
1 Cruising in all sorts of locations around the world has died out.
2 Host bars in various countries have closed
3 There are fewer saunas

Competition from online dating the one common factor for all of those.

[gerefan2]

If it's exchange rates, well I agree that has to be a contributor. I'm not entirely convinced it was sufficient to entirely account for Sunee Plaza going from ~12 gogo bars to 2.
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The police raids were what killed Sunee.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunee_Plaza

Scroll down to police raids which started coincidentally in 2008.

[cdnmatt]

The police raids were what killed Sunee.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunee_Plaza

Scroll down to police raids which started coincidentally in 2008.

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but isn't this what many of you wanted? I remember back when I first joined this board, it would have been around 2007 which is when I first started coming to Thailand.

I remember people complaining non-stop that Sunnee is too sleazy, it's too dangerous, there's underage, and it really needs to be cleaned up into a more respectable place. Well, isn't that what happened? I guess kind of one of those be careful what you wish for things?

[StevieWonders]

I’m surprised that enterprising Thai guys aren’t monetising virtual sex via platforms such as Only Fans. There’s only one Asian guy (Malay I believe) who posts his sex activities in graphic detail on that platform. As I recall he goes by the moniker Pinky Asian.

[Sen Yai]

I’m surprised that enterprising Thai guys aren’t monetising virtual sex via platforms such as Only Fans.

They are already ! Many promote themselves on Twitter and run 'live shows' at specific times on LINE. The LINE shows are by subscription... A few familiar faces from the bars.

[Dodger]

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but isn't this what many of you wanted? .

You took the words right out of my mouth.

I remember what it was like back then - sitting in a bar in Sunee in particular, listening to the same assholes complaining. The first thought that always came to my mind, is how can anyone possibly be here, experiencing what I am right now, and find something to complain about. It literally blew my mind.

The complaints always seemed to come from the same farang who earned reputations for this. Some of them are still around today. And yes, they are still complaining.

The complaints were always the same, e.g. the music's too loud for my ears, those boys over there are underaged, I don't like Aka Indians selling those necklaces in a bar when I'm here trying to socialize, somebody's smoking a cigarette over there and it's bothering my nose, I don't like ladyboys, what's that guy doing walking an elephant on these sois - doesn't he know that's dangerous, and, on and on it went.

I must have repeated the phrase..."be careful what you ask for - because you just might get it" a thousand times. I would say this on the gay forums, and I would say it directly to the assholes doing the complaining. And here I am decades later hearing myself saying it again.

The music was turned down, and in some cases turned off completely. The underaged boys were corralled and escorted out-of-town, the Indians were told not to come back, and the mahoots were told to keep their elephants out-of-town. And, there you have it. Just the way the assholes wanted it. A nice, quiet, calm, law abiding, and sterile environment, just like they had back home.

Do you know what the same assholes are complaining about now? That there's no boys around. That it's not as much fun as it used to be. That they are not being entertained to their standards anymore. That they don't like it here anymore. And the list goes on.

This has been a thorn in my side for many years, and unfortunately I still have to see some of the same assholes walking around Pattaya, still with their noses sniffing up at the air, trying to find the scent of something that's not to their liking so they can complain again.

[StevieWonders]

They are already ! Many promote themselves on Twitter and run 'live shows' at specific times on LINE. The LINE shows are by subscription... A few familiar faces from the bars.Solo acts, duets, or a chamber orchestra?

[cdnmatt]

Totally agree with you Dodger, except for the elephant thing. Those babies are supposed to be in the jungle with their mom, not being paraded around the streets so drunk tourists can feed them cucumbers for 50 baht.

Aside from that, I quite enjoyed the sleaze of Sunnee. That's kind of what made it worthwhile to travel half way around the world for. I don't want a nice sterile environment, nor do I want to book my hookers on their Google Calendar, for example. I want to head out for the night with absolutely no clue where I'm going, where I'll end up, who I will end up with, and what have you. Makes for a much more enjoyable time.

[arsenal]

Yea. Go go bars galore and a good few more dotted around the surrounding sois.

Music and passion were always in fashion in Sunee Plaza. We fell in love.
The question always asked was just who fucked who?
But that was many years ago when Sunee used to be a show.

[Nirish guy]

OK so anyone else hearing the Copa Show bar's "Camera Clicking" looped sound track that they play inbetween acts there when reading Arsenals above post :-)

I literally cant' hear that song now without hearing and expecting to hear that damned camera shutter sound anymore in between the music - I miss it :-))

[Oliver2]

A show it may have been but it was damned short-lived one. It wasn't there when I arrived in Pattaya in 1995. By the next year or so, fliers were being distributed to the beached whales at Jomtien Beach, advertising the "new Boyztown". I hadn't known it existed.... though I did visit a dismal bar that (if memory serves) stood alone somewhere in the vicinity.

It was up and running in the 2000s but by 2015, or even earlier, various problems had occurred and it began its slow death. A highly -publicised raid on the bar which later become the estimable Corner Bar didn't help. Then there was the darkening of the whole neighbourhood when the shisha bars which had made it reasonably lively were closed.

[arsenal]

The bar was Krazy. It was so racy.
Memories start to get hazy.
Just down the lane from Corner Bar, Boys on tables were the star.
Goodboys across the soi with a rougher type of boy.
It was the Sunee
The Sunee Plaza
The hottest spot south of the Gaza.

[StevieWonders]

The bar was Krazy. It was so racy. https://suneeplaza.gaycities.com/bars/3383-krazy-dragon

[goji]

The police raids were what killed Sunee.

That will be a factor, but not the only one.
The raids would cut the supply of gogo bars, but I don't think raids have been particularly frequent in recent years and still the number of bars has continued down from 4 to 2, as we lost Eros and Power Boys.
That indicates there's a demand issue as well as BIB greed reducing the supply.

Also there's slightly less of an incentive to travel to Thailand with fewer gogo bars, but I'm not aware of a better country or city where customers might go instead.

What I do know is some of the customers who used to pay off fees at bars on nearly every night of their holidays now use phone apps for some of the hook ups.
Then, when there's an alternative to the bars, the bars need to make sure they offer a good experience & some fail at this.

Of course, this thread is called "A Thai Boy's Perspspective", yet here we all are offering our own perspectives......

I wonder what the "Boy's Perspective" is regarding willingness to work in gogo bars, when they can just as easily rent themselves out on the phone apps ?

[christianpfc]

All of the boys I talked to have a very healthy fear of Covid. Much more than the average person in the West in my opinion, as evidenced by the fact that the majority of Thais have kept those masks glued to their faces since this pandemic first started,

Jai explained to me once that this is has a lot to do with Thai culture in general. Thais, who are submersed in superstitions stemming from their interpretations (or, misinterpretations) of Buddhism since birth, believe just as much in the existence of things you can’t see with your eyes,...

There are amulets that protect from bullets or knives. But nobody has come up with an amulet that protects from Covid? Even before Covid, 5 to 10% of people were wearing masks in public in Asia. It's rather a cultural/cosmetic/hygienic question?


I’m surprised that enterprising Thai guys aren’t monetising virtual sex via platforms such as Only Fans. There’s only one Asian guy (Malay I believe) who posts his sex activities in graphic detail on that platform. As I recall he goes by the moniker Pinky Asian.
Social media and gay dating apps are ripe with offers for camsex or joining gay porn groups, but it's all in Thai language which might be why it escaped your attention.

I have been tempted a few times, but could easily resist because: "lifetime membership" is as long as the group lasts, which I assume is a few months. Afterwards you will have to pay again, to join a new group. The models used for advertising are probably not those who will appear in the clips. Stuff from payed groups leaks into free groups, and most of it is a waste of my time, and very rarely to I see something that would be worth paying. Most is amateurish (in a negative sense, i.e. lighting, focus, camera angle are all not to my liking). Anyway, there is enough free porn on the internet, and I prefer the real thing.

[Dodger]

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I wonder what the "Boy's Perspective" is regarding willingness to work in gogo bars, when they can just as easily rent themselves out on the phone apps ?

I think the numbers we're seeing of boys who have gravitated to using the apps speaks for itself, although. according to at least one boy I spoke with last year about this very subject, he said he preferred working the stage because he got more customers.

I also imagine some of the boys actually enjoy the work...getting out of their rooms...being with friends...drinking, etc. Working the apps clearly isn't for everyone.

[Sen Yai]

Solo acts, duets, or a chamber orchestra?

I've never seen a full ensemble, but requests might be accommodated, for appropriate consideration. TiT

[arsenal]

"I think the numbers we're seeing of boys who have gravitated to using the apps speaks for itself, although. according to at least one boy I spoke with last year about this very subject, he said he preferred working the stage because he got more customers.

I also imagine some of the boys actually enjoy the work...getting out of their rooms...being with friends...drinking, etc. Working the apps clearly isn't for everyone."

Fill your bar with customers and you'll have no trouble finding boys. App don't give you 200 baht just for listening to some old bloke drone on about his hotel, app don't give you 20 baht just for a tweak of your winkie, app don't give you 300 baht for wanking off, app don't give you 20 baht for a feel of your arse, app don't give you a free meal and most of all app don't give you a chance of being offed by the legendary arsenal.

[StevieWonders]

… and most of all app don't give you a chance of being offed by the legendary arsenal.The best argument in favour of Apps I’ve seen in a very long while.

[Dodger]

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...... app don't give you 20 baht just for a tweak of your winkie, ..

Now...that's a new one!

[cdnmatt]

So once this whole pandemic thing is over, whom of you are reviving Sunnee by starting new bars? :)

[a447]

I also imagine some of the boys actually enjoy the work...getting out of their rooms...being with friends...drinking, etc. Working the apps clearly isn't for everyone.

I agree.

For many of the guys, the bar is where their friends are and they want to go to the bar to hang out with them. (This sometimes happens to the detriment of the bar owner and customers, as the guys are so into chatting with each other that they ignore the punters. This often happened at Eros.) And after the bar closes they socialise. If they get offed, well and good but if they don't, the evening has not been wasted.

That's what it's like in the smaller bars in Soi Tawan. They have each other for company and are very close friends, often coming from the same village. They may work in different bars but afterwards they all go drinking together.

For a lot of people, their workmates are part of their life. I feel sorry for those who are now forced to work alone from home.

[Oliver2]

Very true. Many travelled to Pattaya and Bangkok together. And stayed together. I suspect that it's much the same for the Shan guys in Chiang Mai. Mean and unkind falangs beware; the word spreads on the grapevine.

[latintopxxx]

...unkind...lol....its a business...not a popularity contest...what matters most is that both parties keep their part of the bargain...

[Dodger]

...unkind...lol....its a business...not a popularity contest...what matters most is that both parties keep their part of the bargain...

Keeping YOUR part of the bargain would be conducting yourself in a kind manner during your interaction with the boy. This is an unwritten assumption in this business in Thailand. If you fail at that, the boy isn't getting what HE bargained for.

[cdnmatt]

Keeping YOUR part of the bargain would be conducting yourself in a kind manner during your interaction with the boy. This is an unwritten assumption in this business in Thailand. If you fail at that, the boy isn't getting what HE bargained for.


So, wait... holding them by the ears and riding them like a pony while you can tell they're in pain, followed by throwing their tip money at their feet isn't considered well behaved by Thai money boys?

[StevieWonders]

So, wait... holding them by the ears and riding them like a pony while you can tell they're in pain, followed by throwing their tip money at their feet isn't considered well behaved by Thai money boys?Don’t the usual consumer warnings apply in Thailand - Buyer Beware (“caveat emptor”)? Perhaps Dodgems can devise an ISO9000-compliant process.

[latintopxxx]

..yes dodgy...wheres the SOPs....how to pick up...mount...a MB

[a447]

Hang on a minute.

I think some have forgotten that Latin admitted a few years ago that a lot of the stuff he wrote was pure fantasy.

So who knows? In actual fact he most probably treats the guys with due respect.

At least, I hope so.

[cdnmatt]

Hang on a minute.

I think some have forgotten that Latin admitted a few years ago that a lot of the stuff he wrote was pure fantasy.

So who knows? In actual fact he most probably treats the guys with due respect.

At least, I hope so.

I wouldn't be surprised if he's the total opposite in real life, lol. Same kind of thing as those hard-line homophobic Christian conservatives in the US who won't shut up about how gay people are runing the world, and are the most evil and vile people on the planet, and blah, blah... then they get caught sniffing cocaine off a 17 year old male hookers ass, or get caught in the airport bathrrom stall with a male prostitute, or what have you.

Maybe latin is like that... big mouth on the board about how rough and macho he is. Get him in a room with a Thai guy, and maybe he's as shy and nervous as a 12 year old asking a girl out for the first time. Shaking, asking the boy if he can touch him or not... then reverts to sitting in the corner while he jerks off himself while only looking at the boy, no touching.

[arsenal]

Unlike many here I'm more than happy to tell anyone I go with money boys and never receive negative feedback. Curiosity is the usual reaction. When I explain how it works to people I tell them it's similar to a restaurant.

They have a menu and prices and you can expect them to deliver your order in return for the agreed money. Different restaurants offer different fare. Don't go to a vegan (food fetish gone insane) restaurant and demand a ribeye steak. At the end of the meal pay the bill nicely and thank them for a lovely time.

Treat the boys with the same courtesy as you would a waiter and you won't have any issues.

[a447]

I use the restaurant analogy all the time.

If I'm hungry I go to a restaurant.

If I'm horny I go to a bar.

Same, same.

Like arsenal, I'm always totally upfront with what I get up to and I also have not received any negative feedback, at least not from my friends. If I did, they would no longer be my friends.

It's a lot easier sometimes to just accept people for who they are, strange habits and all. As long as they don't offend me, I'm OK.

From what my friends in the bars tell me, they go with a farang thinking the same way as I do.

And if they thought too much about what their job entails, many would not cope and would probably find something else to do.

[StevieWonders]

I find Western male middle-aged family members are relaxed when discussing prostitutes when their wives aren’t around. I generally draw the line however at pointing to their late teenage sons and saying “about his age”. They get very twitchy if it gets personal.

[Dodger]

..yes dodgy...wheres the SOPs....how to pick up...mount...a MB

The SOP's that you're referring to are something most people are born with. If by chance you never received these, just look around you at how others are behaving, and you should be able to figure it out.

Good luck!

[Dodger]

Anyone who blatantly disregards the feelings and sensitivities of a working boy, or justifies abusing him (physically or physiologically) simply because they are paying the bill, are in desperate need of help.

Fortunately, the boys are pretty good at handling these types, and believe me, it's always the farang who's on the losing end.

For the record, I don't see Latin as being this type at all. I think he has a vivid imagination...but in reality, is probably just like the rest of us.

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[cdnmatt]

I'm still curious if any of you have given thought to starting your own bar once the pandemic is over. I take that as a no?

[mr giggles]

Unlike many here I'm more than happy to tell anyone I go with money boys and never receive negative feedback..

What's your rating on Trip Advisor?

[Dodger]

There are amulets that protect from bullets or knives. But nobody has come up with an amulet that protects from Covid? Even before Covid, 5 to 10% of people were wearing masks in public in Asia. It's rather a cultural/cosmetic/hygienic question?

I think the only amulet for covid is the face mask.

Police have always liked wearing masks to protect against life-threatening levels of pollution from carbon monoxide.

Or, maybe it's because they don't want their girlfriends to know they're directing traffic - after telling them they were generals...LOL.

[francois]

Anyone who blatantly disregards the feelings and sensitivities of a working boy, or justifies abusing him (physically or physiologically) simply because they are paying the bill, are in desperate need of help.

For the record, I don't see Latin as being this type at all. I think he has a vivid imagination...but in reality, is probably just like the rest of us.

I completely agree with the first paragraph, Dodger, however not at all with the second paragraph. Latin writes what he thinks and does and is not like the rest of us.

[a447]

Latin writes what he thinks and does and is not like the rest of us.

If that were true, don't you think he would have ended up in a ditch somewhere with his throat slit long ago, or maybe flying out of his hotel window?

And I've spent a lot of time in Sunee, especially in Eros - apparently his favourite bar - yet how come none of the guys I spoke to said they'd never come across such an awful customer? Surely someone working in the bar would remember a customer like that.

The fact that he's still with us strongly suggests to me that he actually treats the guys well. Just how well is a matter of conjecture.

There's nothing wrong with having fantasies - I think the guys we have fun with would need to have very strong fantasies and a great imagination in order to carry out their job. They are all probably fantasising that they are having sex with some hot girl. How else could they perform? This ability has always fascinated me, as I haven't experienced it anywhere else.

For example, a few years ago I travelled to Prague specifically to go to one bar only - the Escape Bar. The hot young guys spent most of the night wandering around totally naked but hard-ons were few and far between. In fact, the one time I did get to see a hard cock was a Turkish guy who performed in the wanking show. He came all over another guy who was lying on his back.

One of the guys I took a fancy to - Dennis - told me one night that it was his turn to do the show and he was really looking forward to drenching his friend who would be on the receiving end.

The show didn't go well - you could say it was a "flop". No matter how hard he tried to visualise some kind of horny situation, he just couldn't get it up. In fact, during my entire time in Escape, nobody could perform the wanking show.

The reason I never offed anyone, or took up their offer of a groping session in the private room, was because they couldn't get hard.

Compare that with what we see in Thailand. From the guys' point of view we are just customers and if they had a choice they certainly would not be having sex with us, but their ability to get hard on cue always saves the day. They put a lot of effort into their job and this ensures both participants end up with a big smile on their face.

I really admire those guys.

[latintopxxx]

...damn...I've been rumbled...

[Dodger]

...damn...I've been rumbled...


LOL...not rumbled...just tossed around a bit.

[goji]

Police have always liked wearing masks to protect against life-threatening levels of pollution from carbon monoxide.
I suspect you meant PM2.5, as a good mask ought to be very effective against PM2.5 and AFAIK do nothing for CO ?

[christianpfc]

Fill your bar with customers and you'll have no trouble finding boys. App don't give you 200 baht just for listening to some old bloke drone on about his hotel, app don't give you 20 baht just for a tweak of your winkie, app don't give you 300 baht for wanking off, app don't give you 20 baht for a feel of your arse, app don't give you a free meal and most of all app don't give you a chance of being offed by the legendary arsenal.
I have read online dating profiles in Thai that say: only cam sex, no date. They sell time on camsex or porn they made. As I said in another thread, I have little to no interest in camsex or porn for various reasons: during sex, sense of touch is similar important as seeing my partner, and even the seeing part is only partially fulfilled in camsex/porn: poor quality, light, angle of view. Just imagine the limitation if the boy works alone, holding his phone in one hand to show you his body/face/cock while wanking with the other hand?

The boys can earn money on the apps without meeting a customer (there must be a few people who pay, else there wouldn't be that many boys who try).

Another point is that the advance is reversed. In a gogo bar I can see the boy at the price of a drink, then feel the goods at the price of a tip. When meeting a boy from online I can tell him that he doesn't look at all like his pictures and send him away with nothing. But online, the customer has to make an advance payment and only after that he will see what he will get.


Like arsenal, I'm always totally upfront with what I get up to and I also have not received any negative feedback, at least not from my friends. If I did, they would no longer be my friends.
I'm the opposite, I don't discuss any activities and just see what develops. But I have a wide range of interests, and unless the boy is a bag of rice, we find something to make me happy. The only negative feedback it tickling. I like to kiss and lick necks, groins, upper inner thighs, and some boys are ticklish. I once had a boy in Winner sitting with me for audition, cute face but a bit on the fat side, and when I found that he is ticklish, that (antonym of "seal the deal"?).


Police have always liked wearing masks to protect against life-threatening levels of pollution from carbon monoxide.
Face masks don't protect from carbon monoxide. Facemask don't protect from any gaseous pollutant, only from particles or droplets. For protection from carbon monoxide, you need professional mask with a special filter.

[StevieWonders]

I have read online dating profiles in Thai that say: only cam sex, no date. They sell time on camsex or porn they made. As I said in another thread, I have little to no interest in camsex or porn for various reasons: during sex, sense of touch is similar important as seeing my partner, and even the seeing part is only partially fulfilled in camsex/porn: poor quality, light, angle of view. Just imagine the limitation if the boy works alone, holding his phone in one hand to show you his body/face/cock while wanking with the other hand?Equally written porn per a recent post.

[Dodger]

Face masks don't protect from carbon monoxide. Facemask don't protect from any gaseous pollutant, only from particles or droplets. For protection from carbon monoxide, you need professional mask with a special filter.

Agree, although Thai police apparently don't know that, thus the reason the traffic cops in Bangkok have been wearing them for decades.

Go figure!

[francois]

Agree, although Thai police apparently don't know that, thus the reason the traffic cops in Bangkok have been wearing them for decades.



Can you give definitive info on your statement above or is it just an opinion?
There are particulates emitted by vehicles both gasoline and diesel engines.

[Dodger]

Can you give definitive info on your statement above or is it just an opinion?
There are particulates emitted by vehicles both gasoline and diesel engines.

I know the traffic BIB have been wearing those masks for years. Why they're wearing them is a question better answered by them.

My opinion, is that they believe it will help stop some of the pollution from entering their lungs. Either that, ot they're trying to make a fashion statement.

[goji]

My opinion, is that they believe it will help stop some of the pollution from entering their lungs.

If they wear a good quality mask (N95, N99, FFP2, FFP3) it WILL prevent much of the particulate pollution entering their lungs. Even the more basic masks may help a little. So it makes perfect sense.

What the masks will not do is stop CO.

Also, what makes perfect sense for residents of Thailand would be having a domestic air filter, such as this to remove particulate pollution. https://www.rcgeeks.co.uk/products/mi-air-purifier-2h?currency=GBP&variant=33428094877795
These are also effective. I kind of inherited one in the UK, FOC, left behind by someone emigrating & can confirm they reduce the PM2.5 count indoors.

[Dodger]

If they wear a good quality mask (N95, N99, FFP2, FFP3) it WILL prevent much of the particulate pollution entering their lungs. Even the more basic masks may help a little. So it makes perfect sense.

If this mess goes on much longer, which I'm sure it will, I think I'll look into getting a good room purifier.

[goji]

If this mess goes on much longer, which I'm sure it will, I think I'll look into getting a good room purifier.

Good point. Perhaps we should get back on topic as that was more interesting.

[Dodger]

I have read online dating profiles in Thai that say: only cam sex, no date. They sell time on camsex or porn they made. As I said in another thread, I have little to no interest in camsex or porn for various reasons:.

I have an interest in it as long as it's free.

I've often wondered how any of the "Pay" porno sites can make any money - with so much "Free" porn available these days.

When I was back working in the States. Jai and I would do weekly Skype video sessions, which, admittedly, beat the hell out of the regular porno, but this was free as well.

[goji]

I have an interest in it as long as it's free.
I've often wondered how any of the "Pay" porno sites can make any money - with so much "Free" porn available these days.

Agreed.
Expanding on that, with so much free porn and apparent piracy, there might be little profit in this business. So there's little incentive to make new porn and what is out there might be 480p, or perhaps 720p. 1080p is rare and 2K or 4K is virtually non-existent. Now shouldn't 4K be made for porn ?
Much of the stuff labelled as HD isn't HD.
Then if anyone is tempted by fuzzy videos of some hot twinks on Porn Hub, with the promise of HD for subscribers, they can take out a trial subscription. After that the subscriber may well find that the resolution after subscription is exactly the same as before & therefore he's immediately cancelling the subscription.

I also don't see the appeal of "camsex". Just the same as porn, but with a higher price tag. Although, clearly there is some demand for it. I know of at least one ex Euro Go Go boy who has switched to doing that & it seems there is some demand.
Admittedly this one has unfortunately had some silicone breast implants, so now caters to a different market.

[Dodger]

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......Then if anyone is tempted by fuzzy videos of some hot twinks on Porn Hub......

For some reason Pornhub can't be accessed in Thailand any more.

A real shame...because it was a great site with some very tasty cast members - fuzzy or not.

I think you're right. Not much profit in this right now. Too many free sites out there,. but I'm sure the boys are scratching to earn a few baht any way they can.