When will Thailand and the world re-open for tourism? Speculation Time

[StevieWonders]

We're now in 2021 so it's Speculation Time again. Last July I posted "for Thailand not 2020, Songkran 2021 more likely" and included phrases like "rocks in their head" for those who thought otherwise. Now? I think Songkran 2021 is looking too optimistic. Q4 2021 seems much more likely. It was crystallised for me by a press conference held in Australia earlier today.

Last week the former Australian Chief Medical Officer (Brendan Murphy) was widely reported as saying "international travel is highly unlikely in 2021". From today's comments I infer that the politicians have told him to pull his head in; that's not the narrative the punters want to hear. Reference was made by the Prime Minister to an international hook-up to pool information.

Today the same individual (Murphy) said "We'll have a good idea in 3 to 4 months' time about vaccine effectiveness and the need for quarantine for those who have been vaccinated".

That puts us mid-year, roughly. By the time everyone gets their ducks in a row (not one of Thailand's strengths at the best of times) we'll be 2 or 3 months on. Hence my Q4 prediction. Here's a link to the press conference - Murphy's comments are in the last 15 minutes.

https://twitter.com/i/broadcasts/1lDxLpNeEVRxm

What's your prediction? (All underlines are mine)

[Blueskytoday]

Next year...don't think the 14 day quarantine nor the other restrictions will let up..

[StevieWonders]

Next year...don't think the 14 day quarantine nor the other restrictions will let up..Closely argued, as always.

[Armando]

With problems now occurring at the vaccine makers and new strains seemingly becoming more virulent, I reckon travel in 2021 is going to continue to be pretty much a dead duck. The virus will continue to mutate, Will the vaccines cover the next new strain? Predictions are merely personal viewpoints. We live in very uncertain times.

[Manforallseasons]

Thailand’s approach to securing vaccines for a large part of its population has be haphazard to say the least, until such a time comes that enough of the populous is vaccinated reopening tourism is a bridge too far.

[Marc K]

If we are VERY lucky (read: no major new variants stifle progress) we MIGHT be able to do some international travel by EOY 2021. This is travel between advanced (read: vaccinated) countries. Since, as others have pointed out above, Thailand is likely to stumble on vaccination, then I doubt any of us will be seeing the LOS until 2022, perhaps mid-2022.

Here's the rub -- the longer the world dawdles around with vaccination attempts, the more likely it is that a nasty mutation will pop up which resets progress in vaccine development, perhaps nearly wiping out the current progress. So, IMHO, the world should marshal its resources (money and supplies) ASAP and go ALL OUT to vaccinate everyone who walks or breathes as soon as possible. That's our best bet to get this stupid virus behind us. Will the world do it? I'm not at all sure alas.

See you for a drink in Jomtien Complex in 2023? :O

[StevieWonders]

Thailand’s approach to securing vaccines for a large part of its population has be haphazard to say the least, until such a time comes that enough of the populous is vaccinated reopening tourism is a bridge too far.Yes, haphazard is a good way to describe it. Here’s one story about private health providers getting in on the act. 3,200 baht doesn’t sound too bad - expect requests for “vaccination money” to come flooding in from boys you may know - https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-thailand-idUSKBN29N0XK

[arsenal]

Que sera sera.

[cdnmatt]

I'm not sure. Logically, it'd be summer of 2022 after the upcoming winter 2021 wave starting in about 10 months. And that's assuming no major new variants mutate during that time that existing plans can't handle (ie. vaccines are ineffective).

However, humans and especially politicians, tend to have short memories especially when it's ambitious and opportunistic to do so. Starting in about 2 - 3 months it's going to feel like this virus almost fell off a cliff, and cases will decline sharply and rapidly. Some people will claim its the vaccine taking effect and the virus is over, which will simply be false, but there will be a renewed push from folks to reopen borders to help the ailing economy. Not sure if ti will work or not...

[Dodger]

I agree pretty much with everyone else. 2021 for Thailand could be a wash.

It's times like this that I really appreciate having a live-in boyfriend...not a bad port in this storm at all.

That's an intentional dig for my friends who've been ribbing me for years about trading in my butterfly wings for Little House on the Prairie.

[homeseeker]

Correct me please if I am wrong but even someone who is vaccinated can still pass on the virus?
So vaccine needed for hosts and their guests?..

So a return to a decent type of tourism, I predict:

Late 2021 early 2022..

[StevieWonders]

Correct me please if I am wrong but even someone who is vaccinated can still pass on the virus? So vaccine needed for hosts and their guests?..The medical experts say it’s unclear, which is why the next few months which are sometimes referred to as Phase 4 will prove it one way or the other.

[goji]

Here's the rub -- the longer the world dawdles around with vaccination attempts, the more likely it is that a nasty mutation will pop up which resets progress in vaccine development, perhaps nearly wiping out the current progress.

I think this is correct, but is still a low probability outcome.

I expect Thailand will make a major effort to reopen for tourism when the older people and entire families of the ruling classes have been vaccinated, in the last third of the year.

For next winter, if I have been vaccinated, then I'll be prepared to consider countries with both low and high infection rates. So that might widen the list of options.

[latintopxxx]

..experts dontb seem to know much...mzaybe we do need a syringe and some janola...omg...oirange small handed cry baby was right...

[cdnmatt]

..experts dontb seem to know much...mzaybe we do need a syringe and some janola...omg...oirange small handed cry baby was right...


Careful, you're in danger of becoming overly coherent.

[goji]

I note the thread refers to Thailand and the world. Currently, parts of the world are increasing restrictions. Probably due to virus mutations.

The UK is considering quarantine hotels. Now whilst this might make sense for arrivals from high risk countries, it would be potty to apply such a rule to arrivals from low risk countries like Thailand.

There is probably more risk of a mutation in any small UK city than the whole of Thailand. Yet they: are not proposing quarantine for domestic movements

If anyone would like to contact their UK MP about this, the e-mail address can be found here: https://members.parliament.uk/members/Commons

Bear in mind, such restrictions may affect your mobility later in the year and will increase financial stress on the airlines and other businesses that facilitate travel.

[StevieWonders]

I note the thread refers to Thailand and the world. Currently, parts of the world are increasing restrictions. Probably due to virus mutations.I was thinking more about the interdependencies - for the travelling sodomite there seems little point in their own country being open but Thailand not, and vice versa.

[cdnmatt]

I note the thread refers to Thailand and the world. Currently, parts of the world are increasing restrictions.

Yeah, Canada is currently debating whether or not to follow in Australia's lead and prohibit anyone from leaving the country.

Right now you're highly advised to stay in Canada, but you can still leave if you want. They're thinking of changing that though so you need a government exemption to travel out of country. Not sure if that's even legal, but whatever...

[StevieWonders]

Yeah, Canada is currently debating whether or not to follow in Australia's lead and prohibit anyone from leaving the country.New Zealand has an interesting variant - anyone can leave but those who want to return must undergo 14 days’ mandatory quarantine at their own expense.

[StevieWonders]

Thai tourism "spokesmen" are once again floating the idea of vaccinated tourists being allowed to enter freely. The "thought bubble" is set out in an article dated today from Coconuts Bangkok

https://coconuts.co/bangkok/news/thailand-sees-recovery-in-covid-passports-for-quarantine-free-travel/

[gerefan2]

Just how are they going to administer the system? By the time it is introduced millions may have been vaccinated but how many will get a certificate? Any which certificate will be “approved” by the Thai “authorities”?

[Oliver2]

The obvious way is digitally. I had my first vaccination on Saturday and asked this question of the doctor. I assume that it would be similar to the manner in which certain countries stop the unwanted from travelling to their countries. Tickets electronically matched against data bases in visitors' countries, perhaps at the point of sale , or when boarding passes are issued. Or not.
I assume that potential visitors would have to agree to this process each time it is done to comply with privacy laws.
The opposite happens with the "no fly" lists that operate in the USA. If there is a process that prevents flying, then there must be one that permits flying.

[StevieWonders]

Here’s the Greek version (allegedly). No vaccination required

https://www.godsavethepoints.com/how-greece-plans-welcome-visitors-summer/

[StevieWonders]

I note the thread refers to Thailand and the world. Currently, parts of the world are increasing restrictions. Probably due to virus mutations.

The UK is considering quarantine hotels.
Apparently 80% of the British population are in favour of quarantine hotels
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/01/26/travel-news-quarantine-hotels-vaccine-passport-easter-holidays/

[Dodger]

New Zealand has an interesting variant - anyone can leave but those who want to return must undergo 14 days’ mandatory quarantine at their own expense.

It's pretty much the same for us expats in Thailand.

[Nirish guy]

When you read the likes of the below I guess there is a case for quarantine hotels in any / every Country just now.

"A 61 year old British man, who arrived in Thailand on December 25th and entered state quarantine in Chonburi province. He developed muscle pains on the 28th and tested positive for COVID-19 the following day. He experienced difficulty in breathing and his condition worsened until his death on January 24th."

The problem here being that the British man they've mentioned must obviously have had a negative test up to 72 hours before he departed for Thailand on Christmas day but then developed symptoms of some sort just three days later in his hotel.

I guess whether he actually HAD Covid or not on leaving the UK or did he perhaps catch it when travelling / or on arrival in Thailand we'll never know, but i'm guessing if Thai's weren't happy about us Brits arriving there in general due to their worries about the "British Variant" of the virus then I'm sure headlines like this wont help to alleviate their fears or encourage them to ease their restrictions either.


source : https://www.thaipbsworld.com/two-new-deaths-187-new-covid-19-cases-recorded-today/

[gerefan2]

I guess whether he actually HAD Covid or not on leaving the UK or did he perhaps catch it when travelling / or on arrival in Thailand we'll never know,


source : https://www.thaipbsworld.com/two-new-deaths-187-new-covid-19-cases-recorded-today/

I saw something today which said he was in good health when he was in the UK.
He reported to relatives that the taxi driver was coughing badly all the way too the airport.....

[Nirish guy]

Yep thats what I meant that the guy had perhaps taken all the right steps and was (maybe) Covid free on travelling so could have done no more to take care of things as he was meant to ( well except just not travelling of course), but either way he still it seems picked up Covid SOMEWHERE along his travels, which is I guess a sign that as much as it's a pain hotel isolation on arrival is a reasonable precaution for Countries to insist on enforcing just now when agreeing to let travellers land at all in their Country :-(

I see it looks like the UK government are about to propose hotel isolation for arrival from certain countries here in the UK later on today perhaps and I'm already reading people who are travelling from South Africa on complaining that they wont comply "when they've a perfect good house here that they could be staying in" and I quote....

"The idea of having to quarantine in a hotel when we eventually manage to get home is "absolutely absurd". We are booked to return on 16 Feb, and there is no way we can or will stay in a hotel to quarantine when I have my own place and we can quarantine there, as we have done in the past"

Them missing the whole point of we dont CARE if it "suits them of not" or if they're "ok" with it as the whole point is to enable the State to carefully monitor them after their 14 days after arrival ( although the question of closing the stable door after the horse has bolted is a valid one I guess !) I think I'd be helping them with their decision by simply refusing them entry full stop.

So typical of people from the West and our ever more "entitled" attitudes where we think we can and will tell the Government how it's going to be and they are simply going to have to accommodate our demand and requirements !

[Blueskytoday]

I get my 2nd vaccinine injection tomorrow...the only document I have is a small 4" x 4" card, with name,,virus med name, date given, and it
says CDC at the top...this is far from anything official looking that any country would probably accept for entry...

[Brad the Impala]

Although, although. As if false positives in covid tests wren't complicating enough. If you have had a vaccine which has stimulated antibodies in your blood, doesn't that mean you will be positive in any covid tests?

[StevieWonders]

Although, although. As if false positives in covid tests wren't complicating enough. If you have had a vaccine which has stimulated antibodies in your blood, doesn't that mean you will be positive in any covid tests?My guess is that that may depend on the style of vaccine. If it’s one that’s based on the “traditional” style of vaccine (you got injected with a dead version of the virus) then possibly, although it may show up as a previous/inactive infection. However the newer style vaccines such as the mRNA ones “teach” the immune system to respond to certain unique identifiers (such as the virus spikes) and therefore would not return a positive test result. But that’s just an inference from what I’ve read generally.

[dab69]

Although, although. As if false positives in covid tests wren't complicating enough. If you have had a vaccine which has stimulated antibodies in your blood, doesn't that mean you will be positive in any covid tests?

Not with the current nasal swab tests.
They sweep up actual virus in the sinuses for DNA testing

[Moses]

Although, although. As if false positives in covid tests wren't complicating enough. If you have had a vaccine which has stimulated antibodies in your blood, doesn't that mean you will be positive in any covid tests?

False positive results for covid test are impossible by nature of test itself. Only false negative are possible. For simple explanation: imagine glass, there may be water (virus) or may be not - glass is empty. You will check if water is in glass with closed eyes. You do it by probing by finger. If finger will be wet then person is sick, if dry - then healthy. You may get false negative if your finger will deep not enough for to reach water. But you can't get wet finger if glass is empty. It is first point.

Second point: all tests based on finding of immunoglobulins (antibodies) to N-protein from virus's body, while all existed vaccines generates immunoglobulins to S-proteins from spikes. If test shows IgM (to N-protein) high - the person is sick. If test shows IgG high (to N-protein) and IgM (to N-protein) low - then person has natural immunity against COVID. If both IgG and IgM are low - then person is healthy and never was sick. Tests to S-protein exists and are in use for to measure effect of vaccination and does not in use for to find sick people.

[cdnmatt]

What happened to Thailand? They were doing so good in getting the latest outbreak under control with only maybe 200 cases per-day. Then bam, skyrocketed to 959 in 24 hours. Damn...

[StevieWonders]

What happened to Thailand? They were doing so good in getting the latest outbreak under control with only maybe 200 cases per-day. Then bam, skyrocketed to 959 in 24 hours. Damn...Probably a catch-up in reporting from previous days rather than new cases.

[gerefan2]

Probably a catch-up in reporting from previous days rather than new cases.

All explained here in the English Language daily briefing. Worth listening to.
He also hints at relaxations, both at the beginning of the briefing and towards the end.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuEDEZHxEaU

[Dodger]

What happened to Thailand? They were doing so good in getting the latest outbreak under control with only maybe 200 cases per-day. Then bam, skyrocketed to 959 in 24 hours. Damn...

There's recently been a tremendous increase in the amount of covid testing going on due to the cases found involving those immigrants flowing in from Miramar, as well as a cluster-fuck at some casino in Rayong.

It's become clear over time that the more people that get tested, the more positive cases they find. There are a lot of people running around with this virus who are "A Symptomatic", meaning, have the virus but aren't experiencing any symptoms, which tells us that there are a hell of a lot more people with the virus than anyone knows about.

The majority of Thais, which I'm sure you already know, won't go to a hospital to get tested for anything until they're literally on their death-beds, and even then, some decline medical attention all together and simply die. Sad, but, generally speaking, this is the Thai way. They are extremely cautious about not catching the virus and follow all the preventive measures, better than most countries, but if in fact they are suffering from symptoms of covid they'll be the last ones to make a trip to a clinic or hospital.

[goji]

False positive results for covid test are impossible by nature of test itself.

Lancet extract:
"The current rate of operational false-positive swab tests in the UK is unknown; preliminary estimates show it could be somewhere between 0·8% and 4·0%."

Another internet source quotes specificity of 98.9% for the covid rt-pcr test.

We should only state false positives are impossible if there is data showing 100% specificity over a very large sample size.

[Smiles]

"... We're now in 2021 so it's Speculation Time again ..."
8:00 AM, October 15, 2021.
As Trump put it so succinctly " ... it's the science ... "

[Moses]

Lancet extract:
"The current rate of operational false-positive swab tests in the UK is unknown; preliminary estimates show it could be somewhere between 0·8% and 4·0%."

Another internet source quotes specificity of 98.9% for the covid rt-pcr test.

We should only state false positives are impossible if there is data showing 100% specificity over a very large sample size.

It is still not possible whatever they wrote. You cannot receive something from nothing. The only explanation for receiving of positive result -virus. It may be virus from patient, from air, from medical staff, from dirty equipment - whatever. But you can't get biochemical reaction without necessary components.

[christianpfc]

No speculation from my side.

You don't have to vaccinate the entire world's population to achieve herd immunity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_immunity
But how high is that percentage for Covid?

You don't have to vaccinate the population in the holiday target country. E.g. if I get vaccinated in Germany, travel to Africa where Covid is rife, and my government allows me to travel and return, and the holiday target country the same, there is no need to vaccinate people in the target country. These thoughts might seem selfish, but I'm talking about science and statistics and economics and politics and not morals.

I'm in the comfortable situation of being in Cambodia with a one-year visa, and I like it here, and there are plenty of boys and no travel restrictions. I can lean back here and wait how the international travel situation develops and decide in a few months if I go back to Germany in summer.

[Brad the Impala]

Ok, so thanks to the glass of water explanation I understand that you won't get a false positive if you have been vaccinated and have viral tests, but probably will test positive for antibodies(in an antibody test), as creating these is the point of being vaccinated! Thank you!

My elderly brother had to be taken into hospital for an unrelated condition. On arrival he was tested and told that he had probably had covid in the past(having never had any symptoms). After several days in the hospital, and shortly before release, he was told that they no longer knew whether he had had covid or not!

[Marc K]

if I get vaccinated in Germany, travel to Africa where Covid is rife, and my government allows me to travel and return, and the holiday target country the same, there is no need to vaccinate people in the target country.

Hmm Christian not so sure about that. (It's possible that Moses might be able to elucidate further...) But when you have a serious viral infection (surely COVID-19 would fall into this category) your immune system becomes badly damaged (as it aggressively tries to fend off the infection) opening you to more likely being the host for one or more serious infections. That's why pneumonia is such a serious comorbidity with COVID.

So those unvaccinated Cambodians might still pose a danger to you:

Vaccines are not 100% effective, so its possible you could also be in the unlucky 5% who are still receptive to the infection.

I have not seen any study linking COVID to STDs, but common sense would say that it is pretty hard to have sex while still social-distancing, right? I'm waiting for the person who invents a method of having (satisfying) sex at a distance of two (or more) meters. :) Anyway I, for one, have never been much of a fan of cyber sex, have you?

[Moses]

Hmm Christian not so sure about that. (It's possible that Moses might be able to elucidate further...) But when you have a serious viral infection (surely COVID-19 would fall into this category) your immune system becomes badly damaged (as it aggressively tries to fend off the infection) opening you to more likely being the host for one or more serious infections. That's why pneumonia is such a serious comorbidity with COVID.

So those unvaccinated Cambodians might still pose a danger to you:

Vaccines are not 100% effective, so its possible you could also be in the unlucky 5% who are still receptive to the infection.


As per current studies and trial data base all vaccines are 100% effective against serious sickness, and warrants what you will NOT have serious COVID sickness (i.e. pneumonia or something like that). As per current information all vaccinated will have no COVID or will have COVID with no symptoms or COVID with mild conditions. No one vaccinated by any vaccine died form COVID or was in serious sickness with pneumonia.

[StevieWonders]

I'm in the comfortable situation of being in Cambodia with a one-year visa, and I like it here, and there are plenty of boys and no travel restrictions. I can lean back here and wait how the international travel situation develops and decide in a few months if I go back to Germany in summer.Indeed christian and if you have an accident or catch some tropical illness the Cambodian medical and hospital system is known to be first class.

[Nirish guy]

I'm in the comfortable situation of being in Cambodia with a one-year visa.

So can I ask then Christian did you have to pay the $2000 "Covid deposit" as it says you're required to on arrival now !!!???

As if I'm reading it correctly here that money is then held by the State and used to pay for your in Country test and overnight stay in a hotel while you await your results etc ? - BUT if even ONE passenger on your plane tests positive then YOU MUST to do the whole 14 day hotel quarantine thing and THOSE costs are then deducted from your $2000 ?

IF that was the case can we assume then that a) your gamble paid off and you got away no one on the plane testing positive - and if that was the case DID the Government then pay you back your $1865 change ( after the test and your one night hotel etc) from your $2k on receipt of your negative test ok without any problem or delay ??

[goji]

https://christianpfc.blogspot.com/2020/12/the-long-way-to-cambodia.html?m=1

That refers to $1411 USD for quarantine. For comparison, my Thai quarantine cost 50,000 baht ($1665 at today's rate) inclusive of food, which would be $420 extra in Cambodia ?

The flights to Thailand were cheaper. However Christian also reports a visa extension, so Cambodia is a nice option for a longer stay, with no covid restrictions at present.

The attractions of SE Asia compared with a European winter are enough for just a few of us to roll the dice.

[StevieWonders]

https://christianpfc.blogspot.com/2020/12/the-long-way-to-cambodia.html?m=1

That refers to $1411 USD for quarantine. For comparison, my Thai quarantine cost 50,000 baht ($1665 at today's rate) inclusive of food, which would be $420 extra in Cambodia ?

The flights to Thailand were cheaper. However Christian also reports a visa extension, so Cambodia is a nice option for a longer stay, with no covid restrictions at present.

The attractions of SE Asia compared with a European winter are enough for just a few of us to roll the dice.Do we know what health insurance obligations were imposed? Yes, it’s possible once inside Cambodia to get ME 12-month visas for (depending on the visa agency) around USD300. (And to satisfy the pedants, yes, I know you have to enter Cambodia on a business visa not a tourist visa - but we are talking about one of the most corrupt places in SE Asia). I’ve often wondered why cdnmatt bothers with his dreams of Laos given the ease of getting a long-term visa in Cambodia.

[christianpfc]

So can I ask then Christian did you have to pay the $2000 "Covid deposit" as it says you're required to on arrival now !!!???
Yes, details as posted by goji, who has it from my blog.

Everything went correctly. The business with quarantine and deposit has been going on for months* before I arrived, and there were no negative reports, and there were no irregularities in my case; it was expensive, and during quarantine I wondered if it's worth the money and the hassle, and only a week out of quarantine I could answer that question with a clear YES!

*one of the reasons why I went to Cambodia and not to Thailand. After their complete fuck-up with the STV, I wouldn't want to be a guinea pig to test the newly introduced tourist visa.


Do we know what health insurance obligations were imposed?
It was compulsory to buy Forte insurance for 90 USD for a coverage against Covid for 20 days. No other diseases covered, pretty much just a money-grab.


As per current studies and trial data base all vaccines are 100% effective against serious sickness,...
There is no 100% in medicine or biology. You can aim for 99%. Plants, animals, humans come in such a wide range. There are people who can't get HIV. People with Thalassemia can't get Malaria. At the same blood alcohol content, some people appear sober, others are in coma.

Eradication of Thalassemia (hereditary disease) in Malta by pre-natal diagnosis and selective abortion is worth a read!

[arsenal]

I'd like to think I'll be able to enjoy a relatively normal trip to Thailand at some point in November 2021.

[Oliver2]

Agreed. And I'd even do a five- day quarantine in a decent hotel if that were required.

[arsenal]

We know about generation x, generation y, the baby boomers and the millennials. But there is a new one. The Thai or Cambodian boys who would have joined the scene and remained for about 18 months. That is now gone and for me that amounts to about 30 new boys that I've missed out on.

They only really come out at night, they need to be imvited across your threshold, they are averse to garlic breath and they can drive a stake through your heart. For those reasons I've christened them Generation Lost Boys, after the movie.

[Manforallseasons]

We know about generation x, generation y, the baby boomers and the millennials. But there is a new one. The Thai or Cambodian boys who would have joined the scene and remained for about 18 months. That is now gone and for me that amounts to about 30 new boys that I've missed out on..

Your missing the point. Most of the working boys from the bars have needed to return to their families just to survive. There is absolutely nothing to make them return here at the moment and no reason for the situation here to change anytime soon.

[Dodger]

Most of the working boys from the bars have needed to return to their families just to survive. There is absolutely nothing to make them return here at the moment and no reason for the situation here to change anytime soon.

Agree.

I referred to "Homeless Boys" in another post, talking specifically about 4 boys I knew who were living on the streets and/or beach in Pattaya. Well, just in the last few weeks they have all vanished into thin air.

When a hobo packs his bags and leaves town - you know it' bad

[arsenal]

No MFAS. YOU missed the point. Entirely.

[StevieWonders]

https://christianpfc.blogspot.com/2020/12/the-long-way-to-cambodia.html?m=1

That refers to $1411 USD for quarantine. For comparison, my Thai quarantine cost 50,000 baht ($1665 at today's rate) inclusive of food, which would be $420 extra in Cambodia ?

The flights to Thailand were cheaper. However Christian also reports a visa extension, so Cambodia is a nice option for a longer stay, with no covid restrictions at present.

The attractions of SE Asia compared with a European winter are enough for just a few of us to roll the dice.You spent the equivalent of 40 boys on quarantine?

[gerefan2]

You spent the equivalent of 40 boys on quarantine?


No, SteveisWonderful.....Quarantine is free.

From goji’s figures (and mine are similar):
50000 / 15 days = 3333 baht per day.

Average spending whilst on holiday = 3333 baht per day.

So quarantine is free.

What it actually costs you is 15 days out of your holiday.

But for 90 days (or maybe 120) away from the lovely UK isn’t it worth it?

How long have you been out the Wonderful UK Stevie?

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