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christianpfc
October 5th, 2020, 19:53
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Brazil Sep2020 Gay activities

There is a well-developed gay scene (both free and paid; bars, discos, saunas, online; only gogo bars and dedicated massage is missing) and a large range of body shapes and skin colors available in Brazil. But if you are looking for someone with no body hair, it’s not the place to go. If you are looking for big cock, it’s the place to go.

Everything (online chat, boys from online to my room, encounters in sauna, activities in my room) could have happened the same way in Thailand (just exchange sauna with moneyboys in Brazil with gogo or host bar in Thailand).

“Boy” refers to any sexually desirable male over the age of consent.

Discos closed due to covid. Some encounters online (from online dating apps; there are dedicated websites for moneyboys but I didn’t delve into this area), most of this post will be about saunas.

General differences to saunas in Thailand (and everywhere else in SEAsia I have been in gay saunas: Cambodia, Vietnam, Taiwan). Entrance fee (and anything you consumed during your stay charged to your locker number) is paid on leaving. Some saunas in Brazil have money boys. Those money boys charge for 30 minutes, and private rooms in the sauna are rented out in multiples of 30 minutes? And boy wants extra if he cums? (So I read in boytoy forum, no personal experience.) This is something I don’t like (I can’t work under time pressure, and if a money boy in SEAsia told me he has only one hour, I would say goodbye to him). But the rooms look nicer than rooms in SEAsia.

All gay saunas had signs reminding people to wear a mask. All of the staff wore masks, but most customers and boys didn’t.

I read everywhere that grindr is the most popular gay dating app and installed in on my phone for my trip to Brazil. However, my two encounters were from gayromeo and hornet. Low activity on blued.

Thu10sep2020 SP Espaço Lagoa
Entry 50, milkshake 15. Stay 18:10-19:38. The place is busy with about 25 people in the bar and over 50 in the entire premises. Two towels of good quality and flip-flops. The showers have a glass wall to the bar. I never showered in front of an audience of 25 people. (Joking; nobody paid notice to me in the shower.)

During a stroll through the sauna, and later when boys shower, the biggest dicks I have seen!

One boy looks cute and face and body remind me of a boy Max who was in Pattaya (last seen in 2015). But he has hair on his abdomen, no way. He notices my interest and approaches me, but no English. Same for another boy who approaches me.


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Meet forum member bcdaron for a chat at the bar. The acoustics is poor, there is a lot of noise, and when they start karaoke, it becomes a cacophony, unbearable for me, and we leave.

Last round through the sauna, I spot a boy in the smoking room. Promising enough for me to enter the smoking room (I don’t smoke and don’t like the smell). The boy has brown skin and is slim, and a big, soft or half-hard, dick that he is stroking in one hand, and his mobile phone in the other. I can’t spot body hair on upper thighs or abdomen. No tattoos. All very enticing! But he appears utterly bored, and I don’t think that would change if I hired him to go to a room. He obviously does not understand English (we were talking about him within hearing distance) and face very average (“pull a bag over his face”, was bcdaron’s suggestion), and in sitting posture I cannot fully assess his body.

Fri11sep2020 Gabriel, 269 Chilli Pepper, Upgrade Club
I had chatted with a boy Gabriel on gayromeo, then whatsapp. Pale skin, but that can be mended by low light. He is looking for something serious, I’m looking for holiday fun, don’t know how we can reconcile that. Anyway, one appointment passed, no show or message. Second appointment passed, no show or message. I give up.

269 Chilli Pepper (gay sauna and hotel). Arrive 19:15. Entry only with ID (I knew and brought my German ID card), temperature check, weapons check. Cashier speaks English, but you can’t see him. Entry 79 BRL for single room (small room with a safe and a bed, can stay up to 6 hours).

Lift for three floors. Flip-flops sorted by size. Free condoms. Steam room in operation. Bar. Two computers (where I spend part of my time reading boytoy). Customers in underwear or towel. No money boys. About 100 customers, one shapely. Everywhere too dark for my taste.

One of the largest gay saunas I have been to, larger than Babylon or Farose II in Bangkok, and comparable to "Soi 13 in" and "Aniki WoW" (World of Wonders) in Taipei. I find the highest locker number is 775. But that does not mean they have 775 locker, count starts at 400, that makes 375 lockers. Highest room number is 343, but that does not mean they have 343 room. On first floor room 101-146, second floor 201-244, third floor 301-343, making a total of 140 rooms.

Note to myself for future sauna reviews: no way for me to find out area or space the sauna occupies, but I can count lockers and rooms and sort saunas by number of lockers or rooms!

Leave 20:40. Upon paying I get a full receipt, but that is retained by security.

Walk to Upgrade Club and almost miss it. I found the house number, but there were no signs. In hindsight, light shining through gap in door frame and music (when you listen for music, else you won’t notice it) should have given a clue. But another person rings the bell and the door open, so I get in with him. Entrance to Upgrade Club at daytime. Ring the bell at door 198.

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Entry 35 BRL, stay 20:52-21:18. I thought it’s a disco and I’m early (this was just meant to be a recce), but it’s a sex club and they will close 22:00 and I’m late. One of their staff speaks English and gives me a tour (advises me to keep my shoes to – they don’t provide flip-flops and there will be cum on the floor). Free condoms, no money boys. There is a bathtub and written on the wall behind “Mictorium”. (Does that just mean "pissoir" or for those who like to pee on someone or get peed on? Pee-er and Pee-ee? Not my area of interest, but out of curiosity I would have a look when it’s active.)

About 10 customers. One shapely (but cold wet skin) fucks another in the sling. There are four slings and a dungeon/cage. And a steel bridge where you can walk over the area where activities take place, and look down on them.

The staff who speaks English tells me that they close soon, but on Sunday there will be a show with gogo boys, followed by an orgy, with expected 200 customers, starting 4 pm. Exactly what the doctor ordered to get over my Can’t-get-to-Thailand depression!

Sat12sep2020 Espaço Lagoa
During touristic walk in town spot several shapely food delivery boys on bicycle. I could develop a fetish for those!

Ask receptionist to call “The Week” (largest gay disco in the world, only on Saturday): nobody picks up, and I assume it’s closed for Corona.

Sauna Labirunttu's Club (Rua Frei Caneca, 328) permanently closed.


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Espaço Lagoa entry 65 BRL, stay 20:10-22:44. Meet bcdaron at bar and spot someone else who looks vaguely familiar, and he seems to recognize me. It’s numazu1 whom I meet in passing years ago in Bangkok!

He introduces me to the one boy Wallace I consider having business with. Shapely and skin temperature okay, but crab ladder and I prefer darker skin.
My tolerance to body hair is low. This is a boy I met in Bangkok, and that's the maximum I can bear:


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Bar is full during show. Gogo dancing and ladyboy lipsync, just like in Thailand!

From 22 (closing time) emptying.

Sun13sep2020 Upgrade Club, Wild Thermas
Check on googlemaps, 4 pm is opening time, and I don’t think they start the show right away. Arrive 16:30 and pay 35 BRL entry. About 10 other customers, more coming, over 50 when I leave. And they are not there to stand around and look, all the slings are occupied, and others find other positions to fuck or suck.

I haven’t seen anything like this before! But no shapely, too dark, music too loud, artificial fog, I couldn’t have meaningful sex under these conditions. No point waiting for show. When I leave 18:51 (spent most of the time reading on my phone), a queue of 9 waiting to get in.

Walk to Wild Thermas. Entry 40 BRL, stay 19:20-50. Flip-flops and towel provided. About 50 customers. One shapely and cute, skin temperature okay, but not interested. Sauna and steam room lukewarm. Upstairs all nude, but too dark.

Mon14sep2020 Lion from hornet in Sao Paulo
Chat with Lion on hornet, then whatsapp. He will be free at night, then specify 10 pm. That means I can’t go anywhere else before (I don’t like to rush in case he is free earlier) or after (too late for me, and anyway everywhere closed). My messages 9:54 and 10:17 not read, but finally 10:38 reply, he is on his way. He asks for my room number, then receptionist calls me that double occupancy will be 50 BRL more, which I will pay next morning. Then finally 10:50 we meet at elevator on my floor.

Some chat with google translate, then to bed. Good attitude and activities, but a bit too hairy for my taste. Afterwards no signs of him leaving. I sleep better alone, safety concerns, logistical concerns (I have a bus to Rio at 10 am). How to approach this issue?
(google translate, from memory)
CPFC: “How far is it to your place? Can you get home now?”
Lion: “I thought I can stay over night. Can I?”
It would be unfair to throw him out, so I let him stay over night.

Poor sleep. Wake up 6 am. His alarm 7 am, my alarm 7:30, bye 8:00 without any delays (I had Thai boys block my bathroom for long time or otherwise delay or completely screw up my plans), doesn’t even want to join for breakfast. I had all my valuables locked, that means I couldn’t charge my phone over night and start the day with 40% battery. Goodbye, check-out and bus to Rio all fine.

Tue15sep2020 Point 117 in Rio de Janeiro
Rob had messaged me on gayromeo. He is not my type, but good English and works as tourist guide, so maybe we can get into business. He suggests we meet at Point 117 (i.e. I pay entry for him).

Point 117, entry 61 BRL per person, stay 19:58-21:50. Entry includes use of room. Rob is indeed well known by staff and boy and tells me boys might ask an unknown foreign customer for 200 BRL, but in his company I can get boy for 100. And there is a Black who is very tempting (slim muscular, nice dick*, perfect warm and dry skin, offers to go with me for 100, but full beard and I can’t see if there is more hair elsewhere – facial hair is no problem for me, but it is an indicator for hair elsewhere where it is a problem for me).

*about 6 inches limp, perfect size and shape (parabolic; or like a banana pointing down, for non-scientists)

But I want to have a look at the show first. Show starts 21:10. Ladyboy lipsync, gogo boy from fully dressed to nude. Nothing of interest to me, but what did I expect? I should have known better. Now I can say these shows are the same worldwide.

I made up my mind to go with the Black, and 5 minutes ago I still saw him around, but now he is gone (and so are most boys and customers after show).

a447
October 5th, 2020, 20:56
Great report, Christian.

But after all that running around, did you get laid more than once?

Jellybean
October 6th, 2020, 00:55
Totally agree with a447, another two great trip reports ChristianPFC. And, of course, as we have become accustomed from you, exceptionally detailed, very well written and with some superb photos attached for our added pleasure.


. . . Rob had messaged me on gayromeo. He is not my type, but good English and works as tourist guide, so maybe we can get into business. He suggests we meet at Point 117 (i.e. I pay entry for him).

Point 117, entry 61 BRL per person, stay 19:58-21:50. Entry includes use of room. Rob is indeed well known by staff and boy and tells me boys might ask an unknown foreign customer for 200 BRL, but in his company I can get boy for 100. . .

For some inexplicable reason, I assumed Brazilian rent-boys would be more expensive than their equivalent in Thailand. But you said above that in the company of Rob, the tourist guide, he could have secured a money-boy for R$100. This equates to THB555/ £13.69/US$17.75* which is mighty cheap. And, if memory serves me well, when I first started using money-boys in Thailand the GBP/THB exchange rate was in my favour and B1,000 was, at that time, the equivalent of £13.50 - £14.50. Even at the higher price of R$200 without a tourist guide present it is still surprisingly inexpensive at B1,110/ £27.36/ US$35.50*.

But I share your opinion about the thirty-minute on the clock deadline. I wonder how it operates in practice. Does the money-boy set an alarm on his mobile phone and, at the stroke of 30 minutes, does he up and leave or does he suggest adding another 30 minutes on the clock? It seems very reminiscent of what I was told of the girls in the windows of the red-light area of Amsterdam when I first started visiting the gay bars, clubs and saunas of Amsterdam in the 70’s.

If presented with such time limits, I think I would agree a less stressful hour long time slot in advance. However, this is all very academic for me, as I said previously; I just can’t see me travelling to Brazil, fifteen – twenty years ago yes, but sadly, not now.

A far cheaper way of experiencing a Brazilian rent-boy, cutting out flight and hotel costs, might well be a trip to London. Around twenty years ago, at least two of my Brazilian friends supplemented their income by working part-time in escort agencies in the Earls Court area of London. I wonder if such establishments are still operating. Back then, the going rate for a short-time session was, I think, £80 - £100 (i.e. THB3,249 – THB4,061* at today’s exchange rates) although, I have no personal experience, but at the time I was interested from an official point of view. Covid-19 regulations currently prevent me travelling to London and stopping over with friends. But at some point in the future I may well make some enquiries.


*Per the xe converter app.

StevieWonders
October 6th, 2020, 04:44
All that body hair is such a nuisance, a constant reminder you’re having sex with an adult after all.

christianpfc
October 6th, 2020, 21:14
For some inexplicable reason, I assumed Brazilian rent-boys would be more expensive than their equivalent in Thailand. But you said above that in the company of Rob, the tourist guide, he could have secured a money-boy for R$100. This equates to THB555/ £13.69/US$17.75* which is mighty cheap. And, if memory serves me well, when I first started using money-boys in Thailand the GBP/THB exchange rate was in my favour and B1,000 was, at that time, the equivalent of £13.50 - £14.50. Even at the higher price of R$200 without a tourist guide present it is still surprisingly inexpensive at B1,110/ £27.36/ US$35.50*.

But I share your opinion about the thirty-minute on the clock deadline. I wonder how it operates in practice. Does the money-boy set an alarm on his mobile phone and, at the stroke of 30 minutes, does he up and leave or does he suggest adding another 30 minutes on the clock? It seems very reminiscent of what I was told of the girls in the windows of the red-light area of Amsterdam when I first started visiting the gay bars, clubs and saunas of Amsterdam in the 70’s.

The 100 BRL would have been for the boy in sauna for 30 minutes. Add to that entry to sauna and rent for the room.

If you can have meaningful sex in a sauna room in 30 minutes for 100 BRL, then it's indeed cheaper than in Thailand. However, I prefer to take a Thai boy to my room for 1000 THB for 1 to 2 hours short time.

Massage with happy ending ending is not so much different, and I have done it many times. I had staff shouting from outside, or knocking on the door, the few cases where I spent longer than 1 hour with the boy. I assume sauna staff count time you spent in the room and come knocking on the door when time is over.


But after all that running around, did you get laid more than once?
Twice. And two missed chances in the saunas.

goji
October 7th, 2020, 00:48
For some inexplicable reason, I assumed Brazilian rent-boys would be more expensive than their equivalent in Thailand. But you said above that in the company of Rob, the tourist guide, he could have secured a money-boy for R$100. This equates to THB555/ £13.69/US$17.75* which is mighty cheap.

Here's another way of looking at it (below).
On a multiple of daily minimum wage, Thai boys are not doing too badly.
Prostitution still looks like it will pay enough to attract workers in Brazil.

For calculation purposes, I've assumed 21.65 working days per month when converting Brazilian monthly minimum wage to daily and I've taken an APPROXIMATE figure for Thai and UK daily minimum wages. Obviously people can pick holes in the calculation, choice of tip, time spent etc, but this is in the right ballpark.

dinagam
October 7th, 2020, 10:11
Latin has been right with his 500b compensation for an hour of intense work with the proviso of two sessions per day minimum for the right thinking money boys. Afterall it is a job. Extra treats for extra tips. As a comparison, the security guards at the hotel in Thailand earns just slightly more than the minimum wage for a ten-hour shift. Is that not an incentive for the boys to work slightly harder to earn double or triple the daily minimum wage?

latintopxxx
October 7th, 2020, 15:04
at last ...after so many years...a convert

a447
October 7th, 2020, 18:09
at last ...after so many years...a convert

I've been a convert for years. You just have to do the maths.

christianpfc
October 7th, 2020, 23:30
On a multiple of daily minimum wage, Thai boys are not doing too badly.
Interesting calculations! I have been applying a similar principle, trying to pay the equivalent of between one and two minimum daily wage when whoring around (only in developing countries; too expensive for me in Europe, and no opportunity, not in the mood anyway). Every request for more than two minimum daily wages is probably an attempt to overcharge.

The important thing to set the cost in relation to local minimum wage, and not what it would cost in your home country.

I once read somewhere that in Thailand, 100 years ago and now, the service of a prostitute costs the same like a bag of rice.

latintopxxx
October 8th, 2020, 01:42
...a447...really...my image of u is one of a holiday millionaire...spending up like crazy during the one week holiday....impressing your faux friends...over paying for services...spoiling it for sensible hardworking guys like moi...I can keep a chat going for a day or 3 waiting for the mb to meet my rate...its all a game...bit like fishing...will even send him screenshots of mbs who have accepted my offer...reel him in...have had cheeky ones wanting 2000 finally assuming the position for under 1000....

latintopxxx
October 8th, 2020, 01:52
christian...maybe im more adventurous...or maybe covid has put a damper on things...but am surprised that as a white foreigner you didnt get more ass...

goji
October 8th, 2020, 14:30
I once read somewhere that in Thailand, 100 years ago and now, the service of a prostitute costs the same like a bag of rice.
Well once upon a time when living standards were a lot lower, people had to work all day just for food. So your historical price figure is probably correct.

Also, it does depend on how big the bag of rice is. Here's one for 1000 baht:

latintopxxx
October 8th, 2020, 15:23
....omg....that would feed a mb for a month...I'm definitely overpaying...

Nirish guy
October 8th, 2020, 16:02
...a447...really...my image of u is one of a holiday millionaire...

Well you're half right there perhaps......in that I doubt he's holidaying that much just now due to Covid ! :-)

dinagam
October 8th, 2020, 16:05
Yo Latin, I found you a cheaper variety for half the price quoted by goji. That's your magical number 500 baht!

latintopxxx
October 9th, 2020, 14:41
yay...another convert....