bareback or not...

[latintopxxx]

Was triggered by a comment I made on another topic, do my fellow board members use them? or has prep revolutionised sex...as in back to the future doing it BB.

[pasiontop]

I think Asians love fucking condomless and getting bred.

- Japanese: no a single Japanese has ever asked to wear a condom. They love getting bred and they experience jizzjoy very often. Usually Japanese will come hands-free just by the feeling of my cock pumping my DNA in them.
- Taiwanese: very similar to Japanese. Only one Taiwanese have consistently asked to wear a condom. Many also experience jizzjoy. Many asks if I'm negative after cumming in them. They will pretend they only did it with you because you are especial.
- Hongkongers: No one ever asked for condom. Some will ask if I'm negative after the fact.
- Chinese: I'd say ~20 will refuse to get fucked without a condom. Most love getting bred but they would pretend they only do it with you because you are especial.
- Cambodians: they will ask for condoms at the beginning but I always ended up breeding them.
- Vietnamese: Similar to cambodians, ask for condoms but they always ended up well-bred.
- Burmese: same as cambodians.
- Laos: No one asks for condoms, they love getting bred.
- Indonesians: love getting bred. Some might mention condoms at the beginning, but always got bred.
- Malays: I'd say ~20% will refuse to get fucked without a condom.
- Singaporeans: I'd say 30-40% ask for a condom to get fucked.
- Thai: I'd say 30-40% ask for a condom to get fucked. Some asked to see my PrEp before going raw.
- Filipinos: I think they are the most consistent for asking for condoms. Usually, the ones who go raw are because they are on PrEp.

[francois]

I think Asians love fucking condomless and getting bred.



Perhaps you mean fucking condomless and getting HIV/Aids?

[dinagam]

On the other hand watching young Slavic actors going BB on Gay videos can be very engrossing. They all appear to be so healthy and happy.

[Dodger]

- Thai: I'd say 30-40% ask for a condom to get fucked. Some asked to see my PrEp before going raw.

I was actually starting to believe your estimates until I read your "Thai" line above.

100% of the Thais, as well as any other Asian I've been to bed with, practice safe sex, for the mere fact that I wouldn't have it any other way. If I ever had a boy tell me that he preferred that I didn't wear a condom, our date would have ended faster than it started, and I can't recall ever having such a request.

If, by the estimates you're providing, you're suggesting that you can "exploit" a money-boy to go BB by holding money over his head,, then I imagine if he was desperate enough he would do it.

My Thai partner and I enjoy BB sex regularly...haven't worn a condom in nearly 7 years...and don't need to. Just one of the advantages of hanging up my slut shoes.

[Oliver2]

Fifty years of hiv/AIDs, millions of deaths and countless families impoverished and we are still discussing condoms. This must be the first time that this forum has pleased the Roman Catholic Church.

[a447]

I would never go bb. If a guy offered to let me, I'd be like dodger and kick him out the door immediately.

Apart from guys going bb in the otot-otot sauna in KL, no guy I've ever met in all these years has ever suggested/offered bb.

Perhaps there's a little bit of fantasizing going on here.

[latintopxxx]

.....apologies a447....and yes there is no poetic licence being used here...but I mostly fuck bareback...am on prep and am willing to risk the vanilla variety stds....there was a stage where I actually enjoyed condoms as they slowed me down as being uncut I'm sensitive nad would cum far too quickly for my liking but like all good things as I've matured I've been able to enjoy the pleasures of life without additives...

[colmx]

My sample size is a lot smaller than PassionTop, but from my recent (3-4 year) experiences I have experienced a lot of what he has mentioned.
As someone that was born in the mid 70s using condoms has always been drilled into be from an early age, so raw sex is not very easily contemplatable for me, however generation Z is a lot more careless when it comes to safer sex

Laos:
One was a condom checker, he checked so many times to ensure that the condom was intact that it became a real pleasure killer for me.
Another was a condom stealther, he kept trying to remove the condom from my cock without me noticing it and sit on it raw.
Next was condoms to start, but later in the session he also tried to sit on me raw (when he wanted to cum). Needless to say I pushed him off.
Final one was condoms to start, but later in the session when riding cowboy I noticed that he had slipped off the condom and held it in his hand. Needless to say I also pushed him off.

It should note that it was always when they were in control (e.g. riding cowboy) that they tried to pull the condom off

Khmer:
One guy asked me did I have a condom, when I jokingly said "no" he shrugged his shoulders and bent over anyway (before anyone asks, we did use a condom)
Another was playing with pushing my cock into his ass during foreplay, but later when it came to the deed requested a condom
Last was a condom boy during round 1, round 2 started in the bathroom after showers and he was trying to get me to push it into him without a condom whilst brushing his teeth and admiring himself in the over sink mirror

Thai:
One guy kept slipping off the condom and saying "oops", not sure if he was looking to be have raw sex or simply wanted the sex to stop
Another asked me to cum on his ass and push it in during our 3rd round (maybe he knew there was little to no hope of there being much volume!)
Took another to a short time room and we had only one condom between us (mine), during a mid sex break he took off my condom and throw it in the bin, then wanted to continue without it
Another was on Prep and inquired to know if I was also on it so we needn't bother with condoms
2 others brought their own condoms and 1 insisted on using his and not mine

[Marc K]

.....apologies a447....and yes there is no poetic licence being used here...but I mostly fuck bareback...am on prep and am willing to risk the vanilla variety stds....there was a stage where I actually enjoyed condoms as they slowed me down as being uncut I'm sensitive nad would cum far too quickly for my liking but like all good things as I've matured I've been able to enjoy the pleasures of life without additives...

Definitely TMI !:crazy_mini:

[sglad]

...but like all good things as I've matured I've been able to enjoy the pleasures of life without additives...

No, now you're at the stage where you need preservatives, not additives.

[latintopxxx]

...oh here I go again...I do use additives...I do enjoy viagra/kamagra on the odd occasion...

[pasiontop]

I want to clarify that I don't fuck with money boys. I don't pay for money. I'm young and quite attractive IMHO :)) All of these encounters have been with attractive young guys. In addition, I'm on PrEp.

I'm not promoting bareback sex. Going raw is a personal decision. And your personal experience might defer to mine. I'm pretty sure if I had wanted to use a condom most of those guys would have been OK. But because of the submissiveness of Asian guys they won't say no. That's one of the reasons I'm so into Asians: their willingness to please me!

[Nirish guy]

I want to clarify that I don't fuck with money boys. !

Why would you feel the need to "clarify" that to US especially ?

You do realise that no one here gives the slightest fuck about such things and nor do we judge each other for "paying for it: or not - in fact you'll find a lot of us even prefer simply paying at times as it can help speed things along if you've maybe set yourself a daily tally to enjoy working towards. It can also then reduce the risk of any possible confusions or dramas later on perhaps too and help all concerned to be very clear that it's about it's "business" and that you're not looking for a boyfriend when the occasion calls for it too ! So you see there's a lot to be said for having a good fuck, saying here's your money now kindly toddle along there now please and - NEXT" - all in the nicest possible way of course ! :)

[Brad the Impala]

I don't pay for money.

Just grows on trees doesn't it!

[Dodger]

Going raw is a personal decision.

So is jumping off a cliff.

[Dodger]

..... But because of the submissiveness of Asian guys they won't say no. That's one of the reasons I'm so into Asians: their willingness to please me!

Practicing safe sex is a personal decision as you stated earlier, and only you can decide what's best for you, the guy you're with, and, unfortunately, others who may be effected by your decisions. As long as you are being PLEASED, I guess that's all that matters.

Yes, Asian guys are more submissive than guys in the West, and when he's being submissive with you, you can bet your bottom dollar that he is being equally submissive with all the other guys that he's getting ridden by. The fact that the guys you're fucking bareback are not "money boys" is totally irrelevant.

[Nirish guy]

Not forgetting of course that just because he claims not to be a money boy to YOU doesn't mean that he's NOT a money boy to others when rent day is looming - he could well be playing all sorts of other longer terms games that you're totally aware of ( or you pretend to be unaware of to ease your 'shame" of paying a money boy), whether that be him just wanting to hook up with you for sex, or looking forward to plenty of dinners and drinks in nice restaurants during HIS trip to Bkk or Patts etc, but just because a guy isn't a money boy ( and getting fucked by half of Bkk and Patts) one day certainly doesn't mean he isn't and can't be the next day ( or hour ) before he met you)

[christianpfc]

No brainer: fucking (either way) always with condom.

During foreplay, I sometimes get into situation that would lead to bareback, and from those situations I conclude that about 1 out of 4 of my sexual partners would be open to bareback.

There are three things to consider:
HIV: protection by condom. I don't know anyone who has HIV. I don't take PrEP and I don't know anyone who takes PrEP.
Other STIs: condom protects here as well.
(Pregnancy not an issue for gays).
And third, about 1 out of 10 cases I fuck someone, afterwards I have traces of soft brown matter on my condom. And it's not chocolate. A Farang friend never did and will never do fucking (either way) and once told me that that (possibility of such things happening) is what totally puts him off fucking.

[latintopxxx]

christian...am totally surprised that prep isnt a thing in Germany...kinda shocked actually...its very liberating...back on topic..I'm proudly slutty and expect my sex partners especially in sex by the sea better known as Pattaya to be as equally if not more slutty...as for a little bit of shit on my dick...just means I really fucked deep...nothing to worry about...

[arsenal]

Some of us read this forum at breakfast. Have a care. Thank you..

[Nirish guy]

...just means I really fucked deep...nothing to worry about...

Ha so is THAT what you tell yourself when it turns out your partner just couldn't be bothered douching or decided to have a curry and coffee a few hours before you arrived - ok, well it that makes you feel good about that then ok, whatever works for you I guess ;-)

[Daveuk]

Unlike During my first viSits to Pattaya 20 years ago, when I fucked a number of boys bb, I don’t indulge but I really enjoy feeling a hard cock between my bum cheeks

[cdnmatt]

HIV: protection by condom. I don't know anyone who has HIV. I don't take PrEP and I don't know anyone who takes PrEP.


HIV can sit in your body for even 20 years undetected before it turns into AIDS and shows any symptons, unless you're regularly tested.

[sglad]

(Pregnancy not an issue for gays).


Not for the gays on this forum anyway as most of them reached menopause decades ago.

[sglad]

HIV can sit in your body for even 20 years undetected before it turns into AIDS and shows any symptons, unless you're regularly tested.

Ohh...and can it cause blindness in the meantime?

[Dodger]

.

...as for a little bit of shit on my dick...just means I really fucked deep...nothing to worry about...

It has nothing to do with the depth of penetration because I've had the same thing happen when using my tongue and it's only 3 inches long.

Sorry, Arsenal...I hope you've finished your breakfast.

[Nirish guy]

It has nothing to do with the depth of penetration because I've had the same thing happen when using my tongue and it's only 3 inches long.

Sorry, Arsenal...I hope you've finished your breakfast.

Lets hope it wasn't coco pops !!! :-)

[christianpfc]

christian...am totally surprised that prep isnt a thing in Germany...
I didn't say so. I have no idea how widely PrEP is used in Germany or in Thailand. I don't talk with my sexual partners about HIV or other STI or PrEP, and I don't have to because I use condoms.

[Dodger]

I didn't say so. I have no idea how widely PrEP is used in Germany or in Thailand. I don't talk with my sexual partners about HIV or other STI or PrEP, and I don't have to because I use condoms.

Don't feel bad, I never even heard of PrEP before.

I guess we're just not in the swing of things!

[latintopxxx]

I'm kinda shocked at the ignorance, I've been on prep fpr the last 4 years...its so liberating...reliving my teen years...no condoms....absolute bliss...

[Dodger]

I'm kinda shocked at the ignorance, I've been on prep fpr the last 4 years...its so liberating...reliving my teen years...no condoms....absolute bliss...

Sounds good to me!

I honestly never heard of it before...but after doing a bit of reading, there's no doubt that PrEP is very effective. I don't have the need for it now, but if the need ever surfaced I'd be PrEPing every day.

Does PrEP also protect you if you're on the bottom?

I prefer Top - but find myself flip-flopping on occasion. Honestly, the older I get the more I flip and the less I flop, if you get my drift.

[dinagam]

Sounds good to me!



Does PrEP also protect you if you're on the bottom?



Someone has mentioned in this forum sometime ago that PrEP is very popular among the consumate bottoms.

[Nirish guy]

the older I get the more I flip and the less I flop,.

Ha which is of course the exact opposite of most guys as they age who aren't using viagra ! - lucky you lol

[colmx]

I don't have the need for it now, but if the need ever surfaced I'd be PrEPing every day.


Most of the apps now let you indicate if you are on PreP or not.
My unscientific research is that 80% of the MBs (or good time boys) that are on apps around Silom claim* to be on PrEP these days. The Pulse Clinic (PReP center - https://www.pulse-clinic.com/) is right next to the stairs at Sala Daeng BTS and impossible not to pass on the way to DJ station

In Pattaya it was far less prevalent. But now that SWING are offering it I would guestimate that 30% of the boys on apps in Pattaya now claim* to be on it.

*Note I say claim as its hard to know if they are actually taking it or just state that to make it easier to clinch a customer

[Nirish guy]

*Note I say claim as its hard to know if they are actually taking it or just state that to make it easier to clinch a customer

I fear you're right there as it's hard to imagine a hard core whisky drinking late night partying MB following a daily tablet regime - mind you some of us do it so I guess it's not "impossible" but I certainly wouldn't like to be depending on that.

The point being of course if "we" are on Prep then it shouldn't matter so much as to whether they are or not as that is their business and not ours and as we're taking care of our own health then that's the best we can do re that - well aside from choosing to wear condoms of course ( as I still would do in that situation) to reduce the risk to myself and the other guy or possibly picking up other nasty STI's too of course - the risk of which still can't be ignored in my book, but that's perhaps more a personal thing based on my own personal circumstances of course.)

[latintopxxx]

without being too blase i'm not worried about your ordinary STDs...all can be treated and all can be caught even if one uses a condom....I should know as I've had them all...I do give my body a break and stop taking prep for a week every now and then...but its so liberating to fuck bareback...like being a teenager again...

[Nirish guy]

Good luck and congratulations if your doctors have managed to cure you of hepatitis B, herpes or HPV, that’ll be a medical first!

[latintopxxx]

...ok...poetic licence..not the first time I've abused the privilege...more like gonorrhea and syphilis...not nice to catch...but easily treatable ...think im vaccinated against hep B.....so far I;ve dodged herpes

[Dodger]

Most of the apps now let you indicate if you are on PreP or not.
My unscientific research is that 80% of the MBs (or good time boys) that are on apps around Silom claim* to be on PrEP these days. The Pulse Clinic (PReP center - https://www.pulse-clinic.com/) is right next to the stairs at Sala Daeng BTS and impossible not to pass on the way to DJ station

In Pattaya it was far less prevalent. But now that SWING are offering it I would guestimate that 30% of the boys on apps in Pattaya now claim* to be on it.

*Note I say claim as its hard to know if they are actually taking it or just state that to make it easier to clinch a customer

colmx: Thanks for the useful information.

At the risk of sounding totally out-of-touch again, what is SWING?

[latintopxxx]

i wouldnt trust anybody claiming to be on prep...and especially not a MB who's sole aim is to sell his services ....I'm on prep and thats all I need to know...if for some reason I decide to fuck when off prep then out come the condoms...more than once I have declined to proceed with a mb when upon inspection (i get him totally naked with the lights on and inspect his hole, penis, mouth/teeth/tongue, check for swollen glands)...if any of these checks fail...he's out...one particularly memorable (not) mb had weird growths around his butt hole...totally gross

[Nirish guy]

OK so now I don't even know if you're joking or not ! :) You weren't the infamous guy with the torch doing his "inspections" around the go go bars back in the day by any chance ! ? ;-) I mean if Christian had posted the above I ABSOLUTELY would have just believed it, you somehow inspected a boys teeth as if he's a racehorse I dont' buy.....hang on through maybe not a horse.....but a PONY perhaps !! Ok NOW I get it ! lol

[a447]

Latin, is the mb allowed to inspect you, too?

[arsenal]

Would he want to? Too busy taking maximum strength sedatives I should think.

Just joking Latin. I'm sure each and every mb views you as the same gift from Buddha as we do.

[latintopxxx]

...teeth...really...u find that strange?!...i cant stand bad teeth...or worse swollen bleeding gums...thats why i check...and yes it is a bit like inspecting stock if u gotta be crude...i'm basically renting his body...not his company/personality per say...im after a healthily looking body with an agreeable face...and a447...mb is more than welcome to leave if he doesnt like what he see's....but as u probably know...its all about the money...i really dont think they they who climbs on and rides them...as for condoms..at a guess only 1 in 10 will even bother checking...

[latintopxxx]

....and arsenal...quite a few have been high...not sure what...but high...and i think it rubs off or i get contaminated as more than once after an hours session I too feel strangely out of it...

[latintopxxx]

...oh and irish...no torch needed...I do the check up in my room...includes crabs and i check for swollen glands in the armpits and under the jaw...usually a sign they are unwell...i may be a total slut but i do try to mitigate the risk as far as i can without killing all the joy

[Stulong]

My experience mirrors latintop. I’ve been on PrEP for 5 years and sex is almost invariably bareback these days. I used to consistently use condoms but found about 5 years ago that partners were increasingly not bothering. The turning point for me was a hot Chinese guy in Macau who refused to meet up a second time unless he could top me raw. After that I resolved to find out about PrEP to protect myself (and my partners) as it is a recognised option for safe sex for HIV along with U=U or condoms. It doesn’t protect against STIs, that’s true, but I also got STIs when I used condoms. With PrEP you have to be tested for STIs every 3 months which makes PrEP users some of the safest for STIs (ie infections are identified quickly and treated). I can’t estimate how common barebacking in Thailand is overall but I found plenty of guys last year in Bangkok not using condoms.

[arsenal]

"....and arsenal...quite a few have been high...not sure what...but high...and i think it rubs off or i get contaminated as more than once after an hours session I too feel strangely out of it... "

Me too actually. One time I did say to this mb.
"You and ××××××, you're both drugged up from that fucking bar."
His reply.
"You think too much."

Haha.

[Dodger]

....and arsenal...quite a few have been high...not sure what...but high...and i think it rubs off or i get contaminated as more than once after an hours session I too feel strangely out of it...

You should have inspected him closer - he may have had a tab of yaba stuck between his teeth.

On a more serious note, my boyfriend is into poppers, and I always start to feel a bit of a buzz after he takes his second or third snort. It doesn't bother me at all when he's on the bottom - but he was on top one time and dripped that shit right in my eyes. I hung in there like a champ, but stumbled around the room blind afterwards like Mister Magoo. I felt like kicking him in his ass.

[francois]

- but he was on top one time and dripped that shit right in my eyes. hung in there like a champ, but stumbled around the room blind afterwards like Mister Magoo. I felt like kicking him in his ass.

What, he dripped shit into your eyes? Well, I do know one guy who likes to be shit on, so guess anything goes. Or is that another metaphor?

[Dodger]

What, he dripped shit into your eyes? Well, I do know one guy who likes to be shit on, so guess anything goes. Or is that another metaphor?

No, he dripped the Poppers in my eyes you silly French man.

We possibly know the same guy who apparently got off on getting shit on. He used to walk around Sunee Plaza looking for a date with a folded up piece of plastic under his arm just for that purpose. I shit you not (just an expression - not a metaphor).

I was sitting at Corner Bar one night with two friends and saw this same guy walking past the bar with 3 boys in tow. One of my friends commented that he was probably planning a "train" in his room, and my other friend said "yeh...the Chattanooga poo poo".

Please don't ask me if that's a metaphor...just laugh!

[colmx]

colmx: Thanks for the useful information.

At the risk of sounding totally out-of-touch again, what is SWING?

SWING (Service Workers in Group) Foundation is an NGO that is very active in the Pattaya area in giving out condoms and sexual health advice around the bars, clubs, massages shops, karaoke's etc. Quite similar in nature to the "Take Care" group that used to be around a few years back

They can often be seen out and about in their colourful t-shirts https://www.facebook.com/PATTAYA.SWING/

Unlike a lot of NGOs this one does not appear to be staffed by interfering FWCs (Fat White Cows) and instead is staffed by local Thais, who are interested in helping the health of the Pattaya Sex workers

[extronaut]

I used to get asked to put it in a bag, quite often. But not on my last trip to Asia. That might, or might not be, because I made it clear that I was on a course of prep to everyone I got with.

Only exception: one guy I met in Saigon, but I think that was only because he wanted to blow me for me dessert (so to speak).

[Nirish guy]

You're actually very lucky as without being treated and rinsed immediately poppers could very easily have literally blinded you in that eye. Whilst I dont mind guys using poppers when I'm with them I personally always try to breathe out as the slightest inhalation now tends to give me a banging headache each and every I'm near them now, which is a pity as that didn't use to be the case so much when I was younger :(

[Dodger]

SWING (Service Workers in Group)

Thanks again colmx.

I wonder if these guys still make the rounds.

[Dodger]

Whilst I dont mind guys using poppers when I'm with them I personally always try to breathe out as the slightest inhalation now tends to give me a banging headache each and every I'm near them now, which is a pity as that didn't use to be the case so much when I was younger :(

I know exactly what you mean, but he gets carried away sometimes where the scent will linger in the air all night... and I can only hold my breath so long.

[Nirish guy]

.. and I can only hold my breath so long.

ha SO true and reminds of that very same thing happening with me and after holding my breath for as long as I could I could hold it no more and let out a large involuntary gasp for air, meanwhile the guy thinking I was having the best sex of my life really doubled his efforts thinking I was loving it all, which of course only made me MORE out fo breath in the end ! Still, I guess there's worse things to die of that a heart attack whilst shagging ( I think ?) ! :)

[Dodger]

ha SO true and reminds of that very same thing happening with me and after holding my breath for as long as I could I could hold it no more and let out a large involuntary gasp for air, meanwhile the guy thinking I was having the best sex of my life really doubled his efforts thinking I was loving it all, which of course only made me MORE out fo breath in the end ! Still, I guess there's worse things to die of that a heart attack whilst shagging ( I think ?) ! :)

I may give my N95 face mask a try.

[pong]

Related to this: last time I was in BKK (just left in march before all the shit and annoyance started) many of the street advertisements of the city of BKK had ads for Prep (in Thai of course) and urging people to get tested or treated. Would not expect that to see anywhere in Europe.
Having grown up in the times when that dreaded other disease hit so hard, I tend to keep it all as safe as can all the times.

[dab69]

I may give my N95 face mask a try.

you would need an *activated carbon* mask to absorb the hydrocarbons.



Barebacking sounds fun but if you lead a boy down that path
who tries it again with the next less safe customer and dies?

[Dodger]

Barebacking sounds fun but if you lead a boy down that path who tries it again with the next less safe customer and dies?

You raise a valid point, but, unfortunately, I doubt that the guys who openly boast about bare-backing so many money boys, care about what happens in them in the long-run.

There seems to be stark similarities between those who have been victims of sexual abuse, (usually during their childhoods), and those who seem obsessed with "Control" and go on to abuse others during the course of their lives. Hopefully, any working boy who comes in contact with such a person knows how to keep himself safe. The best action would be to avoid any person who presents himself as a total "Control Freak" to begin with. They're always "fruit cakes" ...actors on their own stages...lost in delusion...and from what I've read, commonly impotent to begin with...regardless of how they describe their sexual prowess (and fantasies) to others.

For nut cases like this PrEP isn't the answer...they need a shrink.

[Oliver2]

It's time to raise the issue of other STDs which condoms help to prevent.

Syphilis is rife in Thailand. Despite the ease with which it's treated- a few injections, apparently- still potentially dangerous. The problem is that it can be carried for a long time without symptoms and if left untreated can lead to serious illness, including blindness.

Many of us are vaccinated against Hep B but are Thai guys who work the scene?

[Nirish guy]

They're always "fruit cakes" ...actors on their own stages...lost in delusion...and from what I've read, commonly impotent to begin with...regardless of how they describe their sexual prowess (and fantasies) to others. For nut cases like this PrEP isn't the answer...they need a shrink.

Wow, thats the longest spelling of the "Latintopxxx" I've ever seen !! :-) lol

[latintopxxx]

i think most if not all of us are aware of STDs...I get tested at least every 4 months so am able to catch and treat in time...yes condoms can help prevent but its not 100% guarantee...obviously its safer and advisable to use condoms and I certainly would recommend that...but personally i rarely use them....

[dab69]

They're always "fruit cakes" ...actors on their own stages...lost in delusion...and from what I've read, commonly impotent to begin with...regardless of how they describe their sexual prowess (and fantasies) to others.

For nut cases like this PrEP isn't the answer...they need a shrink.

He's going to know you're talking about him...
I

[Dodger]

He's going to know you're talking about him.I

If the shoe fits - wear it!

Gay Pattaya, especially in its hayday, attracted all sorts of people, not just gays and/or bi-sexual guys looking for a good time in Paradise, but also guys with some really distorted and deranged personalities, who, according to numerous stories I've been told by the working boys, requested and/or demanded services which were sexually perverted and abusive.

I had a Thai friend who worked at the old Three Zone Bar in Sunee who fell victim to such a person. His name was Nueng...19 years old...fem boy with slight build...wonderful personality...genuine as they come, who returned to the bar one night and showed me and his friends these huge scars on his back from being lashed by some crazy farang who had offed him earlier. He said he heard about this farang doing things like this to boys before, but never thought he would hurt him this bad. He said the guy just went crazy. Apparently he was tied to the bedpost when this occurred.

Another boy from the old KAOS Gogo told me that he had a farang urinate in his mouth and force him to swallow it once. He went on to say that when he started to vomit the farang slapped him in the face so hard that he still couldn't hear out of one ear. Rung had just turned 18...as gentle and kind as you would meet anywhere...who was trying to earn enough money to attend college back in his home of Udorn Thani, He left the bar scene shortly after this incident.

I've heard numerous other horror stories about boys being humiliated and/or abused by these deranged psychopaths which makes me sick, and almost always by a farang who was described as being extremely demanding and controlling - who looked down on them as if they were dogs. These were always the most pronounced characteristics.

I've developed so many great friendships with Thai boys (and others) over the years, and have never once been made to feel like I wasn't welcomed or appreciated...always treated with kindness and respect...best sex and best times in my life...and I have ZERO patience for deranged assholes who abuse the people I've come to love so much.

Now, ask me if I care if HE, or THEY, know who I'm talking about.

[Nirish guy]

Olnly trouble is that you DO know that he's probably sitting at home beating off whilst reading your post right !? :-(

[snotface]

I've developed so many great friendships with Thai boys (and others) over the years, and have never once been made to feel like I wasn't welcomed or appreciated...always treated with kindness and respect...best sex and best times in my life...and I have ZERO patience for deranged assholes who abuse the people I've come to love so much.


Good for you Dodger if you have made so many friendships with Thai boys. I have made only a handful of lasting friendships over the years. I don't have the kind of affectionate nature that people instantly warm to, but I do try to treat sexual partners with common decency. Pretty incontrovertible stuff, you'd think. I also applaud you for calling out those who have an abusive attitude to the boys. Careful, though, or sglad will be along to condemn you for being 'sanctimonious' and 'self-righteous' (he considers latintopxxx to be a 'satirist' by the way, despite the underlying derogatory attitudes to boys over thousands of posts - well, we're all entitled to our opinion).

[sglad]

...I have made only a handful of lasting friendships over the years. I don't have the kind of affectionate nature that people instantly warm to...

No kidding.


sglad will be along...he considers latintopxxx to be a 'satirist' by the way, despite the underlying derogatory attitudes to boys over thousands of posts.

You should look up the meaning of satire. Paraphrasing Merriam-Webster, in this context it’s a piece of writing used to hold up human follies and vices to ridicule or scorn. Wit, exaggeration, hyperbole and sarcasm are used to discredit folly and misplaced grandeur. To burst your bubble, if you like. And there’s clearly an audience for it, if he’s produced thousands of posts as you claim. It works!

I don’t assume a person’s underlying attitudes from the persona he takes on an ANONYMOUS forum like this one. latintopxxx has chosen to go against the grain and portray himself as some kind of cyber villain while others are clearly more comfortable with those who portray themselves as heroes. Every story needs both otherwise the board would be dead. I have no way of telling who’s telling the truth and who isn’t but I do know that talk is cheap and cyber talk is even cheaper.


Only trouble is that you DO know that he's probably sitting at home beating off whilst reading your post right !? :-(

Exactly. But never mind, Moses needs the "ratings" anyway.

[Oliver2]

Having read many of Latin's posts over the years, I do not share the view that he is "choosing" to portray himself as a cyber villain, provocateur or satirist; my belief is that he expresses his views sincerely. As indeed he should. The fact is that most of us who have spent time in Thailand like the guys we meet, or have met, on the scene; this isn't "heroism", this too is sincere. And if we enjoy their company, whether it be for an hour of sanuk or for years, it is reasonable for us to be offended when guys like them are vilified.

An anecdote which reports unkindness , or worse, encourages us to put our loved ones, or friendly acquaintances, in their places and perhaps view the scene through their eyes.

Jonathon Swift's "Modest Proposal" which recommends the eating of Irish children to mitigate the effects of the famine has a powerful and disturbing message for humanity; he later speaks of "savage indignation" and how it "lacerates" his heart. I do not recall a single moment in Latin's postings which aims to encourage decency in our dealings with these guys. He means what he says, no more and no less.

[snotface]

Well said, Oliver. It's sglad who doesn't understand what satire is if he genuinely believes that latintopxxx is a satirist and isn't just saying it to satisfy some warped agenda of his own (which wouldn't be unusual). The power of satire stems from the knowledge that the satirist doesn’t really believe what he appears to be saying and, like you, I’ve never detected the slightest hint of implied decency in latintopxxx's posts. Hundreds of them. As for the suggestions here and elsewhere that latintopxxx is acting as some kind of accomplice of Moses to drum up business - well, we're in real looney conspiracist territory here. What a laugh!

[snotface]

No kidding.

That's right, unlike you whose whole board presence is based round the pretence that you are a twenty-something Singaporean student of Chinese origin. All we know for certain about you is that you are an intelligent guy with anger-management issues who regularly slags off other posters through childish name-calling and crude insults. Your contempt for elderly farangs who consort with much younger Thais is obvious to everyone. Your ad nauseam 'jokes' about rigor mortis farangs in Pattaya are as predictable and unfunny as the latest Donald Trump tweet. So why do you hang around on a board where so much offends you? No normal person would stay for more than a day or two in those circumstances. I assume it's because the material excites you in some way you don't wish to acknowledge, hence the frequent personal attacks. In short, you're a hypocrite.

[latintopxxx]

...everyone is sooooo offended......

[colmx]

That's right, unlike you whose whole board presence is based round the pretence that you are a twenty-something Singaporean student of Chinese origin. All we know for certain about you is that you are an intelligent guy with anger-management issues who regularly slags off other posters through childish name-calling and crude insults. Your contempt for elderly farangs who consort with much younger Thais is obvious to everyone.

Kinda reminds me of MauRICE that used to hang around these parts, the venom and Asian persona is certainly the same. Although I think he used to claim to be Malaysian Chinese

[snotface]

Kinda reminds me of MauRICE that used to hang around these parts, the venom and Asian persona is certainly the same. Although I think he used to claim to be Malaysian Chinese

Funnily enough that was my first thought when I first read his posts. But MauRICE had some verbal mannerisms that I've never spotted in sglad. Could still be him, there are definite similarities, but it's awfully hard to disguise one's writing style over a long period. I'm more inclined to believe that it's the poster formerly known as boygeenyus. Lots of similarities there too. Whoever it is he's clearly much more knowledgeable about Thailand AND gay message board history than any twenty-something Singaporean student would be or would probably want to be. It's fun to speculate but ultimately... who cares?

[arsenal]

https://sawatdeenetwork.com/v4/showthread.php?21390-Has-frequent-kicked-the-bucket&p=267181#post267181

[Dodger]

https://sawatdeenetwork.com/v4/showthread.php?21390-Has-frequent-kicked-the-bucket&p=267181#post267181

Wow...two accounts from the same IP.

These youngsters are so cleaver!

[dinagam]

Latin has inadvertently triggered a witch-hunt and a second Spanish Inquisition...

[sglad]

Whoever it is he's clearly much more knowledgeable about Thailand AND gay message board history than any twenty-something Singaporean student...It's fun to speculate but ultimately... who cares?

Clearly YOU care. You’ve been chasing me around like a needy little dog for days now. Sglad this and sglad that. You’re obsessed with me and how young/old I am; you’ve mentioned my age and student status at least twice in this thread alone. Incidentally, I haven’t been a student in Thailand for almost three years now and will be 29 in February. In more than a thousand posts on this forum I think I’ve referenced my student status in Thailand less than twenty times and only when it was germane to the context of my posts. You are the one who’s titillated by it. When I signed on to this board almost four years ago, it didn't say students weren't allowed. All I had to attest to was that I was of legal age; if and when Moses introduces a requirement that I have to be over sixty, senile and living in Pattaya to join, I’d gladly withdraw my membership.

Speaking of Pattaya, I would think you’d have better and more fun things to do like frolicking in the sun with handsome young men than obsessing over someone whom you don’t even believe is real? What does that say about you?



That's right, unlike you whose whole board presence is based round the pretence that you are a twenty-something Singaporean student of Chinese origin.

Again, the 20-something student reference. But this time said with a delightful racist sneer. Would it have soothed your superior colonial sensitivities if I were intelligent (your description) and white? But no, that’s not you. As a true colonial, you’d be a lot happier if I were brown, poor and dependent on you. a447 has said more than once that I couldn’t be Asian because of my strong English and writing skills (his description). So, you see, the problem is not me. It’s you and guys like you who can’t cope with bright, independent Asian guys who can not only stand on their own two feet but who can stand up against you in your OWN language and often times with wit and style. It just kills you, doesn’t it? My presence not only takes you away from your comfort zone but pierces the emotional, mental and physical colonial bubble that you’ve created for yourself in Thailand. Who is this upstart sglad and why isn’t he wai-ing and grinning at me, the grand Lord Snottyface – doesn't he want his hundred Baht tip?



So why do you hang around on a board where so much offends you? No normal person would stay for more than a day or two in those circumstances. I assume it's because the material excites you in some way you don't wish to acknowledge.

I can ask you the same question. Why do you keep responding to latin’s posts if they so deeply offend you? You and Oliver seem to have an intimate knowledge of what he writes. Clearly you enjoy reading them in some perverse way, secretly wishing you could indulge in the same depraved (perhaps you already do) and humiliating practices to satisfy your deepest, darkest colonial desires. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if you have a safari suit and pith helmet in your closet which you put on with sexy black lace stockings and six-inch stilettos when your Thai boy of the night comes over, begging him to whip and fuck you - “fuck me baby, I’ve been a bad master, fuck me RAW like the bad British hoe that I really am. Moisten my wrinkled white ass with your sumptuous native essence.” You might even organise this at a rubber plantation – you know, just to get the atmosphere right – and don’t forget to get your amah to prepare a tiffin for both of you to snack on after.

And for the record, this forum doesn’t offend me at all. It’s entertaining and it’s informative, for the most part, and I’d like to think that I’ve expanded the conversation by adding my perspectives of life in Thailand that go beyond Pattaya and the commercial sex industry. I know you don’t like this because, again, it disrupts your essentialist, monolithic view of the Thai people (ie “I see this in Pattaya and among sex workers and therefore it’s true of all Thai people”) and takes you away from your bubble/comfort zone and makes you doubt your own sense of self-worth and usefulness when you’re out of that zone. As always, it’s all about you.


As for the suggestions here and elsewhere that latintopxxx is acting as some kind of accomplice of Moses to drum up business - well, we're in real looney conspiracist territory here.

Look who’s the loony now? When reason and argument fail, you resort to that old chestnut of painting your challengers as a hydra of this person or that person. All utter nonsense. When you haven’t got a leg to stand on, then perhaps it best to take a seat, instead of using the old sock puppet allegation as a prosthetic. Stick to what you’re good at – fictional writing about Thailand direct from your bar stool.


Whoever it is he's clearly much more knowledgeable about Thailand AND gay message board history than any twenty-something Singaporean student...

Surely you know from your own circumstances that wisdom doesn’t necessarily come with age. Curiosity, education, genetics, socio-economic background and a broad lived experience are some of the factors that may impact the knowledge that we acquire and how we process it. I’ve had and continue to have a fantastic, diverse association with Thailand through my education, work and social interactions for almost four years now, ten if you start counting from the time of my first visit in 2010. I speak, read and write the language confidently. Believe it or not, I can even order a cup of coffee from a street stall without any problems.


Latin has inadvertently triggered a witch-hunt and a second Spanish Inquisition...

It sure looks like it, doesn’t it? Just goes to show what a great provocateur Latin is. And that ringing endorsement from Oliver has ensured three thousand more posts from Latintopxxx. All he has to do is unload some of his shit on this forum as he performs his 6 AM bowel movement. Lord Snottyface tries ten times as hard but doesn’t get half the amount of attention (even though he produces the same amount of shit). Perhaps that what irks him so.

[latintopxxx]

sglad...I'm offended...lumping me into the racist category...I really do't care what colour/religion/sexual orientation/sex (yes..u read the last one right) my sexual service provider is...one of my best trips was in South Africa...no brown/black was touched...only the former ruling class...white Afrikaners...best ever. Also enjoy white american trailer trash...they live in a service orientated country with no minimum wage so have to suck up to customers to get tips...puts them into that subservient state of mind. and lastly...my bowel movements are best not discussed...lets keep the board clean...

[sglad]

sglad...I'm offended...

Good.

[Marc K]

...my sexual service provider...

Sorry LTX, that's a bridge too far for me. And I really am not interested in knowing your public pronouncements of your sexual proclivities. Pls keep them to yourself, man. Geeez

[latintopxxx]

im gonna start a me too hash tag movement...u all picking on me...

[snotface]

You’re obsessed with me...

Hahaha. Says the guy who then proceeds to write a 10,000 word response to me. You're more wound up than a crisp baked pretzel (my thanks to a regular contributor for the wonderful image). Anyway, time for my mid-morning cup of tea, a custom of us colonials, don't you know. Tatty bye.

[Dodger]

...Again, the 20-something student reference. But this time said with a delightful racist sneer. Would it have soothed your superior colonial sensitivities if I were intelligent (your description) and white? But no, that’s not you. As a true colonial, you’d be a lot happier if I were brown, poor and dependent on you. a447 has said more than once that I couldn’t be Asian because of my strong English and writing skills (his description). So, you see, the problem is not me. It’s you and guys like you who can’t cope with bright, independent Asian guys who can not only stand on their own two feet but who can stand up against you in your OWN language and often times with wit and style. It just kills you, doesn’t it?

sglad,

When communicating with people who you feel may hold prejudice against you for your age, race, cultural background, etc. I think you would find it beneficial to avoid being baited into meaningless mud-slinging contests, especially where racial slurs start getting tossed around like hand grenades. If you are as intelligent as you present yourself as being, then you will find this advice valuable, not only in this discussion, but in all your interactions with people of different cultures going forward.

Also, and only meant as a positive suggestion, you really should start having more confidence in yourself. You've obviously intelligent and articulate which you should be proud of, although you also seem to be harboring a glaring inferiority complex. Read your own words below:

"So, you see, the problem is not me. It’s you and guys like you who can’t cope with bright, independent Asian guys who can not only stand on their own two feet but who can stand up against you in your OWN language and often times with wit and style. It just kills you, doesn’t it? "

A question I would have about this statement is; Why do you feel the constant need to "stand up against" people?

I also find it interesting that you've introduced yourself as being Asian, when, in fact, your personality reflects more Western than Asian traits. It makes no difference to me what you call yourself, but I do find it very interesting. I'm not confused by this because of you'e level of intelligence at all, because my first 10 years in Asia were spent interacting with Asian executives in China, Singapore, Thailand, S. Korea and Taiwan and, believe me, they were as intelligent and articulate as they come. I'm confused about this for the mere fact that you seem to lack two of the most pronounced and fundamental characteristics of all Asians, and that's their high level of "Humility" - and preference of avoiding negative confrontations with others, both characteristics being deeply and firmly ingrained in Asian culture.

Good luck!

[siscu58]

Hey guys. Do you remember that the original topic of this thread was "bareback or not"?

[latintopxxx]

yes dodger...too much typing...get a life

[latintopxxx]

...anyway condoms dont offer much protection...i once got caught in bed with a hot guy when his b/f caught us....didnt protect me from a beating...

[goodtimeth]

I also like to have bareback sex a lot. I remember only two boys who insisted to put a condom, but all the other ones did not ask to put one to fuck me.
But I don't go with the bar boys. I find them on facebook or through other boys I know. I usually go with straight boys who do for money.
Probably the boys who work in the bars and the gay boys are more used to use condoms. But the type of boys I like don't mind to do it bareback.
To everybody his own taste. I much prefer with no condom.

[Nirish guy]

I much prefer with no condom.

At least please tell us you're on PREP !?

[latintopxxx]

....his body..his choice...

[Armando]

sglad,

I also find it interesting that you've introduced yourself as being Asian, when, in fact, your personality reflects more Western than Asian traits. It makes no difference to me what you call yourself, but I do find it very interesting. I'm not confused by this because of you'e level of intelligence at all, because my first 10 years in Asia were spent interacting with Asian executives in China, Singapore, Thailand, S. Korea and Taiwan and, believe me, they were as intelligent and articulate as they come. I'm confused about this for the mere fact that you seem to lack two of the most pronounced and fundamental characteristics of all Asians, and that's their high level of "Humility" - and preference of avoiding negative confrontations with others, both characteristics being deeply and firmly ingrained in Asian culture

How much longer will posters fail to accept that sglad has nothing to do with Singapore, he is not Chinese and he is not in his 20s. You just have to read his posts to see with the utmost clarity that Dodger is perfectly correct.

sglad appeared on this Board as a proven hydra with SugarGrandpa or something like that as his alter ego. Does he deny he was a hydra? With SG appearing prominently in both handles, did no one notice the similarity?

[Oliver2]

....his body..his choice...

Two bodies, in fact, only one of which belongs to him. Sexual colonialism. Who pays, wins. Look for the needy , or even desperate, and then exploit them.

[goodtimeth]

Two bodies, in fact, only one of which belongs to him. Sexual colonialism. Who pays, wins. Look for the needy , or even desperate, and then exploit them.

What you say is not the subject I think. One can exploit with or without condom. It has nothing to do.
I just say that I like to have sex without condom and nearly all boys I take do it without.
They just fuck me and take the money, which is what they want. Its just my experience.
But others may have other experiences, I guess. It all depends where the boys are from. I have much less experience with bar boys and gay boys. But the straight ones just do it natural, which is wonderful for me (but have to let them watch girl porn on their phone though).

[Nirish guy]

It all depends where the boys are from..

Seriously, do you HONESTLY think that makes a difference in terms of your / their safety ?? So, you think a boy who YOU find on facebook may not have been or still is on Tinder / Grindr fucking all around him or may be working in / from a bar the hour / day / week or month before you messaged him perahsps or vice versa perhaps ?

Seriously ?

[latintopxxx]

i assume that all my sexual partners are complete promiscuous sluts into random sex just like me...no illusions here...

[Oliver2]

Do you know any of them? front-view, that is. Are words ever exchanged? Do you ever listen? Even the guys are famous for their repartee....What your name? Where you come from? Where you stay? What you like? How much?
Have you ever considered asking the same questions of them? just out of interest? Or even feel any curiosity about their lives?

[Blueskytoday]

End this silly talk about screwing...enough already...just get a massage.

[siscu58]

With happy end?

[latintopxxx]

oliver...I realise this may surprise u...lol...u may engage the mb for companionship or to discuss the merits of socialism vs capitalism...I dont...I prefer that he not speak....the occasional grunt is acceptable...I have him in my room for one thing only.... as for bareback...yes its my preference but i will slip a condom on if he indicates its his preference...I'm not an animal...but does make the A to M maneuver cumbersome.

[latintopxxx]

...siscu...if there isnt a happy ending then u at the wrong place...

[goodtimeth]

Looks like there are different topics in this thread. I thought it was only about bareback sex.
Some seem to be romantic and look for love and relationship with the thai boys, which I can understand. But its not what everybody look for.
For me its the sex that is more important, so I go with the moneyboys since a long time.
I also would never force any of them to fuck me without condom if they dont want. But until now I had only two like that. And personally I dont like condoms so I did not meet them again. To do it without condom is my choice and the boys I take are nearly always ok with it. Probably they can have more pleasure like this too, and its more natural. I think that many farangs also enjoy bareback, but few want to admit because they are afraid of the comments from the "romantic" ones.
Not everybody like the same things. I really like the straight boys, and this type of boys dont mind to do with no condom. Many on here must know that.

[latintopxxx]

...the romantic ones...lol...u mean bat shit crazy delusional...

[Armando]

I think Asians love fucking condomless and getting bred.

- Japanese: no a single Japanese has ever asked to wear a condom. They love getting bred and they experience jizzjoy very often. Usually Japanese will come hands-free just by the feeling of my cock pumping my DNA in them.
- Taiwanese: very similar to Japanese. Only one Taiwanese have consistently asked to wear a condom. Many also experience jizzjoy. Many asks if I'm negative after cumming in them. They will pretend they only did it with you because you are especial.
- Hongkongers: No one ever asked for condom. Some will ask if I'm negative after the fact.
- Chinese: I'd say ~20 will refuse to get fucked without a condom. Most love getting bred but they would pretend they only do it with you because you are especial.
- Cambodians: they will ask for condoms at the beginning but I always ended up breeding them.
- Vietnamese: Similar to cambodians, ask for condoms but they always ended up well-bred.
- Burmese: same as cambodians.
- Laos: No one asks for condoms, they love getting bred.
- Indonesians: love getting bred. Some might mention condoms at the beginning, but always got bred.
- Malays: I'd say ~20% will refuse to get fucked without a condom.
- Singaporeans: I'd say 30-40% ask for a condom to get fucked.
- Thai: I'd say 30-40% ask for a condom to get fucked. Some asked to see my PrEp before going raw.
- Filipinos: I think they are the most consistent for asking for condoms. Usually, the ones who go raw are because they are on PrEp.

That sounds like a rather nice little fiction.

[Dodger]

.

I think that many farangs also enjoy bareback, but few want to admit because they are afraid of the comments from the "romantic" ones.

I'm trying to figure out where I fit in your description.

I'm definitely one of those "romantic ones" you mentioned (no doubt about that) and wouldn't enjoy life any other way. I also enjoy bareback sex, as does my boyfriend, and wouldn't have that any other way either. So I guess I'm not sure what your point is.

If I went back to wearing my butterfly wings I'd have to start wearing a condom again, and frankly, sex would not be nearly as fulfilling.

Short-time sex with working-boys is great fun...no doubt about that, but enjoying sex with someone I'm intimate with is always 100 times better.

Sometimes I wonder if guys who have never enjoyed romance in a relationship before really knew what "Great Sex" was all about. Hell, the very first ingredient to great sex, before you even drop your drawers, is "Romance". Now, you might ask, how does one get romantic with a working-boy? Well, you could start by viewing him as a "Person" versus a "Whore". Believe me, fucking a "person" is uniquely different than fucking a whore...just take my word for it. It also helps if you can dig deep inside yourself and find just a nugget of compassion for him. If you don't know why you should bother doing these things - then you also don't know what you're missing.

[latintopxxx]

...dodger...u can consider yourself to be the exception....

[arsenal]

For the 90-120 minutes or so the boy is fortunate enough to spend in my company I want him to be my friend, lover, whore, coffee mate, be interesting, find me interesting, kiss me like I'm his soul mate, smoke me to Clapham Junction and back, share sonething of himself with me, behave like a gentleman with the lovely hotel staff, make me proud to arrive and depart with him, ride the motorbike confidently and safely (not easy with my hand down.his pants), make me think that for a straight boy having sex with a man wasn't too terrible and kiss me goodbye with a nice smile.

Very rare the entire list doesn't get ticked.

[StevieWonders]

For the 90-120 minutes or so the boy is fortunate enough to spend in my company I want him to be my friend, lover, whore, coffee mate, be interesting, find me interesting, kiss me like I'm his soul mate, smoke me to Clapham Junction and back, share sonething of himself with me, behave like a gentleman with the lovely hotel staff, make me proud to arrive and depart with him, ride the motorbike confidently and safely (not easy with my hand down.his pants), make me think that for a straight boy having sex with a man wasn't too terrible and kiss me goodbye with a nice smile.

Very rare the entire list doesn't get ticked.
Fantasy Island here I come

[arsenal]

Well Stevie it's not fantasy if It's true and it could be spelt cum.

[dinagam]

Look!
The plane, the plane...

[StevieWonders]

Well Stevie it's not fantasy if It's true and it could be spelt cum.
As Pontius Pilate said, what is truth?

[arsenal]

Yes and I believe he invented Pilates too. I may be wrong.

[latintopxxx]

i know of no gay couples that are monogamous or enjoy sex with one another if they have been together for more than 3 or so years....

[Dodger]

i know of no gay couples that are monogamous or enjoy sex with one another if they have been together for more than 3 or so years....

Well, you do now.

Jai and I have been in a monogamous relationship for 6-1/2 years now and enjoy sex as much now as when we first met...maybe more.

To your point, most gay relationships seem to fall apart after 2 years or so for the very reasons you mentioned. If one or both of the people in the relationship isn't being fulfilled (sexually) it would only make sense that they would part ways.

I enjoyed 15 years of Butterfly life in Thailand to the max. Seriously, no regrets whatsoever...hundreds of boys (if not more)...loved the thrill of the chase...spontaneity...variety, etc., but there comes a time (at least for me there did) where I wanted something more.

All of my expat friends over here are unhitched butterfly's. Some seem content with their lifestyles, and some seem discontent and bored. I guess it's just a matter of each person finding what works best for them.

[goodtimeth]

I'm trying to figure out where I fit in your description.

I'm definitely one of those "romantic ones" you mentioned (no doubt about that) and wouldn't enjoy life any other way. I also enjoy bareback sex, as does my boyfriend, and wouldn't have that any other way either. So I guess I'm not sure what your point is.

If I went back to wearing my butterfly wings I'd have to start wearing a condom again, and frankly, sex would not be nearly as fulfilling.

Short-time sex with working-boys is great fun...no doubt about that, but enjoying sex with someone I'm intimate with is always 100 times better.

Sometimes I wonder if guys who have never enjoyed romance in a relationship before really knew what "Great Sex" was all about. Hell, the very first ingredient to great sex, before you even drop your drawers, is "Romance". Now, you might ask, how does one get romantic with a working-boy? Well, you could start by viewing him as a "Person" versus a "Whore". Believe me, fucking a "person" is uniquely different than fucking a whore...just take my word for it. It also helps if you can dig deep inside yourself and find just a nugget of compassion for him. If you don't know why you should bother doing these things - then you also don't know what you're missing.

Thank you for your advice. Maybe one day I will try something different. But now I really prefer boys to fuck me (or sometimes fuck them), just for the pleasure.
I am sure that you have good fun with your partner but on my side I simply could not stay with the same boy more than very short time. Its a question of taste.

[siscu58]

To do it without condom is my choice and the boys I take are nearly always ok with it. Probably they can have more pleasure like this too, and its more natural.

Do you also ask the boy to cum inside you? or do you prefer to look how he cums outside?

[StevieWonders]

I am sure that you have good fun with your partner but on my side I simply could not stay with the same boy more than very short time. Its a question of taste.As RuPaul says, if you can’t love yourself how can you love somebody else?

On the other hand I’ve long believed that being childless gives couples the opportunity to explore options other than the heterosexual monogamy model for relationships - hence “open” relationships, throuples, polyamory- the whole gamut of relationship possibilities.

[Marc K]

Guys, for centuries philosophers have been musing about the difference about "love" and "lust" and the relationship between the two. I doubt if we will solve the debate here! :)

I do agree totally with Dodger that those who scorn "human mating" for the sheer pleasure of orgasm are missing out on a totally different and much more interesting experience. Why not order a blow-up sex doll instead? Or jack-off in the comfort of your bed without all the muss and fuss and expense?

None of us will ever quite solve this mystery but I can observe that most males seem mature over the years from wanting to fuck anything that breathes to becoming slightly more introspective about the sex act.

[StevieWonders]

Why not order a blow-up sex doll instead? Or jack-off in the comfort of your bed without all the muss and fuss and expense?I'm sure many of us are much more used to FaceTime/LINE/Skype/Zoom/Teams now, but as most of us have realised they only cater for two of the five senses. They don't satisfy our need for the taste, smell or touch of real, live human beings.

[Dodger]

None of us will ever quite solve this mystery but I can observe that most males seem mature over the years from wanting to fuck anything that breathes to becoming slightly more introspective about the sex act.

You've made some excellent points.

For me, the transition from being a sex maniac - jumping from bed-to-bed - to settling down in a monogamous relationship was done quite intentionally. My life prior to retirement was divided in two parts: Work and Play. With 6 months of non-stop work in the U.S. which involved constant travel - to 6 months in Thailand which involved constant sex. For me, this was the perfect balance.

The lifestyle I wanted for myself after retirement involved "Balance"...which was missing from the lifestyle I just described above. The things I felt that needed to be balanced were; Health, Social Interactions, Finance, Hobbies/Me Time, and, last but not least, Romance, Intimacy, and Sexual Fulfillment. It's not that I felt myself being more introspective about sex, or for that fact, more inclined to be in love with someone either, rather a desire to have a more balanced and healthy lifestyle when work was no longer a necessity.

When I returned from my morning stroll along the shoreline today he was standing on the balcony wearing only his boxer shorts which had slid well below his slim waistline. He turned around to face me and asked if I had any luck finding clams. I said yes, and showed him my bucket which was half-filled. Then he gave me one of THOSE smiles and asked me if I was hungry. My clam bucket sat unattended in the kitchen sink for the next hour...and the day has only begun.

[dinagam]

For sure clams don't make appetising breakfast...

[goodtimeth]

Do you also ask the boy to cum inside you? or do you prefer to look how he cums outside?

I prefer inside. Its more natural.

[latintopxxx]

...quite a strange turn this post has taken...bit deep....the man I love and have lived with for the last 22 years is not the man I want to have sex with constantly exclusively...but i still cant imagine life without him...if he's away...even for a few hours I miss and worry about him...to me love is not sex and sex is not love...occasionally in the past the two have combined and I have had chaos...
...we often have 3somes...depends on who drags what home and if the other likes the look of it...we both are super horny sluts...cant even spell monogamy...let alone pronounce it...so we often have a house boy...the longest stay was 2 years...shortest was 3 days...guess being double tagged 3 days in a row was a bit challenging...
....dunno...our current formula works for us...

[Dodger]

....dunno...our current formula works for us...

The way I see it, if a gay couple has been together for 22 years they have to be doing something right. If an "open" relationship works for you guys - then keep on strokin and enjoy to the max.

I mentioned a 3some to HIM once...he didn't seem too thrilled. And, if I ran around banging other guys I'd probably be dodging a machete.

Congratulations on 22 years!

[Aussie1978]

Condom… what’s that ?

[latintopxxx]

yes, i realise u r bring mischievous but know how u feel, occasionally when clearing out a drawer Ill find an old condom and be happy that I no longer bother with them, prep works fine at keeping aunty aida at bay and nothing beats skin on skin contact....

[Aussie1978]

yes, i realise u r bring mischievous but know how u feel, occasionally when clearing out a drawer Ill find an old condom and be happy that I no longer bother with them, prep works fine at keeping aunty aida at bay and nothing beats skin on skin contact....

Yes I was being cheeky.. with modern prep.. skin on skin is the only way

[Mason45]

I stopped using condoms years ago as I couldn't stand the smell of burning rubber.

[latintopxxx]

...must be some kinky action u get up to....apart from making sure the service provider knows his place im very vanilla....

[christianpfc]

Condoms do not only protect from HIV, but from many other STDs and from pregnancy (not an issue for most of our members).
Overall, I think PREP is harmful as it gives a false sense of security and leads to unsafe sex.

[latintopxxx]

prep if taken as directed is as safe as condoms...wearing a condom will not help with veneral diseases unless you wear one before u even get naked as oral sex can transmit them too and that would be so sad...a bj with a condom...might as well not do it. Ive been fucking bareback for the last 6 years and have had hundreds of encounters ( I fuck every day, sex is my hobby, its an obsession) , get tested every 4 months and apart from occasionally picking up the usual suspects like chlamydia ive been fine....i am a top and not circumsised which aparently makes me slightly higher risk but not as risky as being a bottom. I now mostly fuck bareback...love it. During my most recent trip I spent 2 weeks in Brazil, fucked over 60 different guys and had countless BJs....saunas/clruise clubs are busy....toilets at shopping malls like Frei Caneca Shopping in Sao Paulo are very cruisy.....came back clean,

[maump]

During my most recent trip I spent 2 weeks in Brazil, fucked over 60 different guys and had countless BJs....saunas/clruise clubs are busy....toilets at shopping malls like Frei Caneca Shopping in Sao Paulo are very cruisy.....came back clean,

4+ a day as top! amazing! I thought I was doing good at slut of the week for bottoming for 4 in one day. 3 days Bkk 6 different men. I stand humbled!

I also use doxycycline as bacterial Prep to stop several more STDs.

[latintopxxx]

yes I do have a strong sex drive, but anjything more than 3 days I couldnt do it without cialis and i dont ejaculate every time, especially in a sauna orgy scenario...wiuth MBs I always make a point of coming..

[DavidBiBtm82]

Condoms do not only protect from HIV, but from many other STDs and from pregnancy (not an issue for most of our members).
Overall, I think PREP is harmful as it gives a false sense of security and leads to unsafe sex.

100% this. I've never been done bareback and it's a fantasy I'll hopefully fulfill one day, but PREP won't be relied upon. It's all about knowing your partner - well! Gawd knows how many other sorts of infections PREP has caused by making people think unsafe sex is safe..

[latintopxxx]

if u r into casual radom sex then u cannot know your partner.....I enjoy hooking up on grindr...road trips are the best...pop in ...fuck & go...dont even wanna know their names...almost like when away from home all rules dissapear...anywhere will do...side of the road...resaurant toilets...basicaslly when u have sex with as guy u r having sex with everyone (rather kinky whem im riding a mb imagining how mnuch cock he's had) he has had sex with...sort of...so u need to rely on science/modern medicine...I've had condoms break in my teen years when I was in far too much of a hurry & skimped on lube...prep of taken as advbised is as good as condoms...i could never go back to condoms...occasionally use them when the bottom insists but thats it...i get tested regulartly..and rush to the doctor if i suspect anything is amiss....so far...fingers crossed I'm all good

[smcm88]

so far...fingers crossed I'm all good

Sounds like a fairly risky strategy.

I agree with David. Prep provides (an arguably) "false" sense of security, that, while generally effective against HIV, provides zero protection against other STI's. Syphilis is on the rise, and given the permanent complications (inc brain damage, liver damage and visual impairment) not to mention the body rash and warts/sores in the mouth and genitals, it's something I'd prefer to avoid if I can.

There's also a strain of Gonorrhea going around that's resistant to antibiotics.

Like most guys I luuurve the idea of bareback sex with other guys but as long as I'm not too fucked up on 'substances' my left brain generally always kicks in and I'll use condoms when it comes to anal.

So if I'm planning on some rooting, I'll make sure I've got a supply of condoms beforehand.

[Dodger]

I'd be lying if I said I never missed the "variety" of partners I enjoyed during my wild butterfly years - but being in a monogamous relationship has some pretty nice benefits as well. Jai and I haven't touched a condom in nearly nine years..."All Natural" that's our motto.

[Patanawet]

..so far...fingers crossed I'm all good

And your partners?

[latintopxxx]

...and what about your avocados and almond milk...

[maump]

Sounds like a fairly risky strategy.

I agree with David. Prep provides (an arguably) "false" sense of security, that, while generally effective against HIV, provides zero protection against other STI's. Syphilis is on the rise, and given the permanent complications (inc brain damage, liver damage and visual impairment) not to mention the body rash and warts/sores in the mouth and genitals, it's something I'd prefer to avoid if I can.

There's also a strain of Gonorrhea going around that's resistant to antibiotics.
.

Yes, a sense of security against HIV. but not false. AND if you keep up with other studies, doxycycline as bacterial Prep to greatly reduce the chance of several more STDs (all the non-virals). that leaves Herpes (visible sores when transmitting) and Hepatitis C (if you have the A/B vaccines)

after years of fighting with condoms, I am feeling a sense of freedom and fucking mostly BB. are there risks, yes, but I try to manage them.

[Oliver2]

And do the guys you meet accept the risks willingly?

[latintopxxx]

i think we have exhausted this subject...

[christianpfc]

AND if you keep up with other studies, doxycycline as bacterial Prep to greatly reduce the chance of several more STDs (all the non-virals).
That's what causes resistances of bacteria to antibiotics.

[mr giggles]

Condom… what’s that ?

And what about when you get a curry sausage? (Bottom hasn't cleaned thoroughly)

[latintopxxx]

too much info....

[maump]

And what about when you get a curry sausage? (Bottom hasn't cleaned thoroughly)

Shit happens, you wash it off and piss it out. Not the most fun, but we are adults.

my experience is condoms attract shit and it sticks to them. a well lubed dick often leaves it inside......

[maump]

That's what causes resistances of bacteria to antibiotics.

true, over time, but compared to how they use these drugs for everything (acne for example is a common use daily reason for doxycycline prescription - feeding to chickens....) a few active men using them is not a big impact..IMHO

[maump]

i think we have exhausted this subject...

I dont think it is possible to exhaust this topic. it is controversial, and ever present part of our sexual reality. as a self-admitted sex addict, I am interested.

Old age/ heart medications has made it almost impossible for me to successfully top with a condom on my cock. and when I bottom, I like the idea of a man cumming inside my ass.... a demonstration that my ass can still provide pleasure to another man. I have had multiple tops who cannot cum with a condom, they end up jacking off at the end and I have a sense of failure....

[DavidBiBtm82]

I dont think it is possible to exhaust this topic. it is controversial, and ever present part of our sexual reality. as a self-admitted sex addict, I am interested.

Old age/ heart medications has made it almost impossible for me to successfully top with a condom on my cock. and when I bottom, I like the idea of a man cumming inside my ass.... a demonstration that my ass can still provide pleasure to another man. I have had multiple tops who cannot cum with a condom, they end up jacking off at the end and I have a sense of failure....

I've had this happen as well with tops who can't perform with a condom - sometimes guys who can't cum, and sometimes guys who've already cum recently and can't stay hard. What with the time it takes to put the condom on, and then having to ease themselves quite slowly into me, it can be a bit of time before they can go for it and it's understandable why they can go soft. It is frustrating when you think about the potentially great sex you've missed out on.. So yeah, they can be a passion killer no doubt :/

[latintopxxx]

i know im the exception...im over 50 with a super high sex drive and my motto is "fuck while you can"...its my hobby...its my obsession...1st thing that crosses my mind when meeting a male is...could I fuck him? I know its nuts...my holidays are planned around sex...u can keep the museums and palaces and scenery and food...give me butt...love a challenge...inn the US cruise trailer parks and shitty bars ......guys desperate for a fix will do anything...even cock up the arse fir $50 for the next fix...park nextb to the zoo in pretoria is paradise...the day my dick stops working i will be able to say i wore it out...

[maump]

i know im the exception...im over 50 with a super high sex drive and my motto is "fuck while you can"...its my hobby...its my obsession...1st thing that crosses my mind when meeting a male is...could I fuck him? I know its nuts...my holidays are planned around sex...u can keep the museums and palaces and scenery and food...give me butt...love a challenge...inn the US cruise trailer parks and shitty bars ......guys desperate for a fix will do anything...even cock up the arse fir $50 for the next fix...park nextb to the zoo in pretoria is paradise...the day my dick stops working i will be able to say i wore it out...

I can relate to this.... my own performance at 65 and heart problems has made trailer parks and drug addicts out of the question. I need a hot asian, latin, black twink to put me in the topping mood.

[Dodger]

i know I'm the exception...im over 50 with a super high sex drive...

Huh?

Believe me, you're not the exception.

[latintopxxx]

good to hear/read....sometimes i honestly do think im a bit of a freak as sex dominates my life....every/most decisons revolve around sex and the availability of it and the cost of it...

[latintopxxx]

...there i go again..i dont always pay...grindr is my best friend...but where its cheap like Thailand/Brazil/Costa Rica/US trailer parks & surroundings...I enjoy paying...its a kink...never used to be like that but guess ones tastes change.....bit like porn...used to love belami...now its raunchy bastards

[maump]

i know im the exception...im over 50 with a super high sex drive and my motto is "fuck while you can"...its my hobby...its my obsession...1st thing that crosses my mind when meeting a male is...could I fuck him? I know its nuts...my holidays are planned around sex.....

not the exception, .... its called sex addiction and I enjoy it. only my decreased erection performance has me unhappy. Viagra nd cialis no longer are fully effective, so I have resorted to bottoming much more to get my fix. had 3 men in my bed monday night, 2 dumped their loads in my ass the next morning.
yesterday the full time filipino boy fucked me twice and I succeeded in breeding him last night and this morning. a bit tight, but he is learning....
not doing much of anything in Philippines other than ride motorscooter, sleep eat drink fuck.

[latintopxxx]

omg....u guys are all freaks...

[latintopxxx]

maump...where do u live in the Philippines, some big polluted city or somewhere nice and beachy like Pattaya? Lots of gay action? Money boys? and dont u get bored just eating/drinking/fucking??

[maump]

omg....u guys are all freaks...

said the master....

[vnman]

said the master....

I was thinking the same thing ������

[maump]

Dumped 2 loads in my Filipino BF's ass then left manila. Back from Philippines to thailand/pattaya. (kind of a cluster fuck getting here on the bus - flew into Don Muang by mistake)

Linked up with my favorite perfect lao man from Grindr (bar boy in supertown). 27, on PrEP, slender, lean, abs, narrow waist spreading to a V at the shoulders.... perfect skin, handsome face. so exciting. put 2 loads in him, one at night, one the next morning.

so what do you guys do after your morning fuck in Pattaya and the man has gone home. just beach all day?

[pong]

Run to ATM for rewards and open that blued/grindr/hornet/whatever to find a fresh new willing to rush to your humble or grand beezneez level aprtmt. just out of Booyzzzztown. It is sooooooooooooo 20th century to not use modern IT! PTY is a 24-hr economy and this is the main branch of its economic survival

[maump]

Run to ATM for rewards and open that blued/grindr/hornet/whatever to find a fresh new willing to rush to your humble or grand beezneez level aprtmt. just out of Booyzzzztown. It is sooooooooooooo 20th century to not use modern IT! PTY is a 24-hr economy and this is the main branch of its economic survival

Im too old to fuck more than twice a day. guess it is time to bottom more,,,,,

went to the beach, had massage, took fav boy (slender Lao) out for dinner and went to the big night market. Chatted with a recently retired Canadian man with another cute Lao BF) on the Baht bus. he has been here several months (used visit to Lao boy home to reset visa).

Wondering if he is a board member. would like to talk with him more.

[mr giggles]

"PrEP reduces the risk of getting HIV from sex by about 99% "

It's the 1% that worries me...
:(

[latintopxxx]

u worry too much...

[mr giggles]

It has nothing to do with the depth of penetration because I've had the same thing happen when using my tongue and it's only 3 inches long.

Sorry, Arsenal...I hope you've finished your breakfast.

That damn curry from last night...

[latintopxxx]

think we r getting a little purile now...

[bkkguy]

think we r getting a little purile now...

I thought Purile was a hand sanitiser? surely apropos for the situation being disgust - sorry discussed

[francois]

I thought Purile was a hand sanitiser? surely apropos for the situation being disgust - sorry discussed

Purell is the hand sanitizer.

[Armando]

Is anyone else sick and tired of this and similar threads about bareback sex? Give it a break!

[Oliver2]

The C4 series "It's a Sin" is now on Netflix. Essential viewing for forum members.

[bkkguy]

The C4 series "It's a Sin" is now on Netflix. Essential viewing for forum members.

now? I watched it on Netflix in Thailand early last year!

I really enjoyed the series but it maybe should come with a warning for some of those reading this thread - everyone dies of AIDS from barebacking

[Oliver2]

That's why they should watch it.

[latintopxxx]

I dont need to watch it as I lived through the latter years of it, lost count of the number of guys I knew that ghosted from the scene BUT you seem to neglect the advances of modern medicine & science ....we are NOT in 1981...that was 1/2 decade ago...today I know positive guys who are on meds...look absolutely normal (no gaunt look, extended belly..) are undetectable & are unable to pass on the disease. Ive been barebacking for the last 7 years, thats over 2000 anal encounters...mostly with different guys...and I dont do quick fucks...I take my time...I pound it long time..my cock is up that butt for at least an hour absolute minimum...quite often longer...if i'm paying I reserve a minimum 90 minutes but often 2 hours and always want value for money which to me means making full unlimited use of his rear...
I get tested at least 3 times a year...more often if something doesnt feel right...and to date...thankfully...im all good...and Im not circumcised which apparently puts me at a higher risk...i only top...only thing that goes near my butt is his face/tongue....this may sound like a bareback promtion..,.its not...its my reality..everyone should read up and make their own decisions...

[Oliver2]

It's a Sin is worth watching as entertainment, sometime funny, sometimes sad. And a cute lead -actor!

I'm pleased to hear that Latin's friends are doing well. Of the two guys I know, both on medication, one has just come out of hospital following a relapse of the lung infection (TB) that he suffered when first diagnosed seven years ago. He also has other physical issues relating to walking, sight and his voice-box.

The other, diagnosed fifteen years ago and able to afford more than the basic available medication, is generally well except for the loss of teeth, weight-loss and residual fatigue.

Both of them know that they face a life-time disability, though we hope that there will be further improvements in treatment.

Some think that being hiv+ is rather like being a type 2 diabetic, like me; it's not. The sound advice for all gay men is to assume that any partner they encounter is hiv+.

[latintopxxx]

The sound advice for all gay men is to assume that any partner they encounter is hiv+.

Fully agree...and think about the fact that when you fuck with someone you are fucking with everyone else they have fucked too...

[maump]

The C4 series "It's a Sin" is now on Netflix. Essential viewing for forum members.

I could not find it on Netflix

[maump]

I will be able to provide anectodal feedback on the effectiveness of bacteria prep. I have confirmed through testing, that one man who I had repeated bareback receptive sex with was infected with not chlamydia that I suspected but gonorrhea. Three the 10 day series of doxycycline revived the symptoms but they returned. Took him to the clinic, they added a shot of ceftriaxone.

I (and the other anally receptive man also on doxycycline prep) have no symptoms. When I get back to the States in a week I'll get tested and let you guys know. Also no travelers diarrhea this trip!

Sitting next to tawan writing this half drunk...
Watching punters talk to the door wardens at 642 pm

[Oliver2]

It's Sin......

https://www.netflix.com/title/81582231

[mr giggles]

I stopped using condoms years ago as I couldn't stand the smell of burning rubber.

U must like the smell of burning shit

[maump]

I believe I had my last fuck this morning in BKK. Head to airport for return flight tomorrow at 4 am. went back to a favorite, dreamboy 27 "Q" . 4th use of his fine ass. found out he is a Pablo bravo film star (https://www.boyfriendtv.com/videos/884826/bravo-pablo-fuck-thailand-boy/ ) from several years ago. his english hasn't improved since Pablo gave him that lesson, but his ass is still fine.

[latintopxxx]

"dreamboy 27 "Q" . 4th use of his fine ass".....love it...u should write poetry

[infoarmor]

I believe I had my last fuck this morning in BKK. Head to airport for return flight tomorrow at 4 am. went back to a favorite, dreamboy 27 "Q" . 4th use of his fine ass. found out he is a Pablo bravo film star (https://www.boyfriendtv.com/videos/884826/bravo-pablo-fuck-thailand-boy/ ) from several years ago. his english hasn't improved since Pablo gave him that lesson, but his ass is still fine.

Where did you find him? Is he available on any app? I have already been with two guys from Pablo's videos. Wouldn't mind a third. His face is kinda average but he definitely has a great ass.
Btw maump, as I know you are a porn connoisseur, my favorite bottom from Pablo's videos is this petit Filipino twink he fucks in Manila. Cute face and what an amazing ass. I was really wishing he would show up on Grindr when I was in Manila last year, but unfortunately he didn't

[latintopxxx]

...privateboymovie was more to my taste...but nice u got a fantasy fulfilled

[infoarmor]

...privateboymovie was more to my taste...but nice u got a fantasy fulfilled

The bottoms of privateboymovie are great and would love to mess around with all of them, it's just that the top in all those videos is acts too mechanically and almost no passion. If that had used a different top who could also show his face, those videos would have been much better.

[Daveuk]

Privateboymovie is definitely some of the best gay Asian porn available. Most of the models are very much to my taste ie cute and 18-22. I used to look for them in the bars and gogos in Pats and Bkk. I the boy I found was Mon Kwang whilst I was in Pattaya about 14 years ago in a Sunee Gogo. I offed and topped him for 2 nights.

[infoarmor]

Privateboymovie is definitely some of the best gay Asian porn available. Most of the models are very much to my taste ie cute and 18-22. I used to look for them in the bars and gogos in Pats and Bkk. I the boy I found was Mon Kwang whilst I was in Pattaya about 14 years ago in a Sunee Gogo. I offed and topped him for 2 nights.

Didn't know privateboymovie went back that far. I thought most of them were shot like mid 2010s. Wonder why no one has resumed doing videos with the same theme, white guy traveling to Asia and having sex with money boys. i know there is a lot of straight porn with that theme like tuktukpatrol, thai_swinger, etc.

[Dodger]

Privateboymovie is definitely some of the best gay Asian porn available. Most of the models are very much to my taste ie cute and 18-22. I used to look for them in the bars and gogos in Pats and Bkk. I the boy I found was Mon Kwang whilst I was in Pattaya about 14 years ago in a Sunee Gogo. I offed and topped him for 2 nights.

Agree,

As you eluded to, a large percentage of the PBM cast members were recruited from Pattaya. I've had the delight of being with a few of them back then.

One, named Moss, started off in training wheels working the little stage in Gentleman's Club - then sprouted a few underarm hairs and graduated to the stage at KAOS (Sunee) working under the tutelage of Beer and Mak before they drifted off to open Nice Boys..

He was, and may still be, one HOT number. I've seen him in several PBM movies but always under an alias.

His favorite line was "Up2U" and I never knew what to do first.

[Oliver2]

I met two of them. One was the most insatiable guy I ever encountered. Both were in Pattaya. However, three years later I was having a drink in a Chiang Mai bar when I noticed a cute guy staring at me...."We met in Pattaya didn't we? " he said. It was the other one of the two. I was single at the time and so off we went to my hotel, the Lavender Lanna which had a splendid show.
He was studying at Chiang Mai University and had matured both physically and intellectually.

As far as sanuk was concerned...bluntly, it wasn't very good! But I was pleased to see him.

[Marc K]

"We met in Pattaya didn't we? " he said...As far as sanuk was concerned...bluntly, it wasn't very good! But I was pleased to see him.

Oliver,
I always enjoy your messages. You bring up two interesting phenomena:

1. What is it about Thai memory -- I am always astounded at their memory. I was in Foodmart in Jomtien one day when a guy walked up to me and said, "you are Marc? right? i think we met x (10?) years ago at y". I was astounded. And after comparing notes, at the butter case, I found out he was right and it all came back, but I had LONG forgotten the encounter.

2. Those "rematches" rarely turn out to be very satisfying. But it always nice to rekindle fond memories of the past. I wonder why those rarely work out? In fact, while we are on the topic, it is also strange that a "reengagement" sanuk of a MB for a second or third time, after a very successful first encounter, also seems less likely to be successful than the first engagement. I never quite figured out why that is the case...

[Oliver2]

Yes, Thai memory for faces is remarkable.
Some may recall Four Seasons go go in Pattaya, a short-lived bar which I visited no more than three times and from which I never offed a guy. The ex- mamasan- whom I didn't know from Adam- hailed me at least ten years later in Chiang Mai while I was taking a walk. At first I thought it was a con, a scam.... one I sometimes encountered in Africa as a prelude to being asked for cash....but no, he really did remember me.

I seldom found the second off successful. Was it me? or the guy? I really don't know. On the other hand, when a re-match was good, it was very good!

[latintopxxx]

...agree...the 1st encounter is always best...mostly the repeats havent got quite the same zing...its the lure of something new/fresh/untouched....even though I know that the MB has had more traffic up his butt than the brooklyn tunnel....to me he is new...so thats attractive..next time I see him he is used/2nd hand goods...I no longer see a fresh faced perky butted tight holed "lets see what I can get away with' sex provider....all i see is a tired predictable used stretched loose hole....funnily enough its not the ones 'that can take it" that I'm keen on repeats...its the ones that struggled to finish...if they want a rematch I'm real happy to climb on and ride 'em real hard.....porn is my inspiration

[Marc K]

Putting Latin's tendency towards sadism aside, he might be right that there is a "newness" element in all this. The first time is unknown and thus when it works out well one is buoyed by a sense that you found a great repeat partner. That's a possibility. It is also a possibility that the MB is also assuming he will get the same great tip for doing far less the second time, so why excel?

[Dodger]

It is also a possibility that the MB is also assuming he will get the same great tip for doing far less the second time, so why excel?

Or maybe the tip he received the first time wasn't enough to motivate him to do his best the second time around?

TIP = "To Insure Proper Service"

[Armando]

As you eluded to, a large percentage of the PBM cast members were recruited from Pattaya. I've had the delight of being with a few of them back then.
One of the PBM boys was Keng who worked in Classic Boys in Bangkok. I had taken him off and wished him to be bottom but he was clearly new to the game and said he found it too difficult. Yet he was still fun to be with and I had a good time. Not long after he appeared in a PBM movie and is fucked silly as those boys often were. Unlike many of the PBM boys it is very obvious he is not enjying the experience. I've no doubt he did it for the cash, but I noticed the insensitivity shown by farang top with a couple of other boys. I realise many of the boys were very cute, as was Keng, but the formula in the vdos was almost always the same. I found it became much too boring over time.

[Armando]

...agree...the 1st encounter is always best...mostly the repeats havent got quite the same zing...its the lure of something new/fresh/untouched.
In my bar hopping days, I found the same. Yet strangely - was it so strange, though? - I never had that problem with massage boys. Once I found a good one with great afters, I tended always to go back to him. There was one at the original Albury whom I must have been with at least two dozen times and loved each visit. Unfortunately he left to go and live with his American boyfriend in Chiang Mai.

[pong]

Yes, agree, had the same. That way I found my longest lasting friend-in his student yrs, untill he graduated. Slowly but surely-and that was his lure-he would still every time have some more hot+lustful tricks. In another place I often had a Karyen guy-who then left and a few monthes later his younger brother, looking very much same-same, came there, used same nickname and the story repeated itself.
Its soo awful long ago I had barboys offed that I cannot add to that

[latintopxxx]

marc k...sadism...thats a bit harsh...have never made anyone cry...just push their limits...place them under a little bit of strain...make them work for the cash.....BUT yeah...its the lure of something new......but i also swing to where i stand outside a cabin at babylon (yes i know its closed now) and as soon as the occupants leave i grab what i assume is the bottom ...push him back into the cabin...and fuck his still loose wet hole...then leave...no hello...thank you or how are u...just pull out...wipe my dick on his hair...and go..

[Dodger]

....but i also swing to where i stand outside a cabin at babylon (yes i know its closed now) and as soon as the occupants leave i grab what i assume is the bottom ...push him back into the cabin...and fuck his still loose wet hole...then leave...no hello...thank you or how are u...just pull out...wipe my dick on his hair...and go..

Always the romantic.

[latintopxxx]

...I try...but by all that is holy I do miss babylon and weep at the thought that it is no more...perfect combination...clean...outdoor indoor flow...pool...bar...restaurant...plentiful sex...great parties....accessing the rooms through the back staircase for grindr encounters....how on a good day the cruising cabin areas would be as busy as a train station...noise of non stop action behind thin partitions...paradise lost

[maump]

Where did you find him? Is he available on any app? I have already been with two guys from Pablo's videos. Wouldn't mind a third. His face is kinda average but he definitely has a great ass.
Btw maump, as I know you are a porn connoisseur, my favorite bottom from Pablo's videos is this petit Filipino twink he fucks in Manila. Cute face and what an amazing ass. I was really wishing he would show up on Grindr when I was in Manila last year, but unfortunately he didn't

I found him on grindr (post is always up) location in Silom (he rooms there) works at dreamboys (offed him) # 27 Name is Q.

[maump]

...privateboymovie was more to my taste...but nice u got a fantasy fulfilled

Some very hot bottom men there but the top.... blah. and when he went to condom, I lost interest. fell in love with Wai.

https://www.privateboymovie.com/asian/wai-bbc-dildo-and-raw-fucked/

[infoarmor]

Some very hot bottom men there but the top.... blah. and when he went to condom, I lost interest. fell in love with Wai.

https://www.privateboymovie.com/asian/wai-bbc-dildo-and-raw-fucked/

Looks like it's a shared feeling that the top from PBM wasted such good bottom material and that his videos could have been much better with another guy.

At least badmanrobin's and at a certain degree even crazymonkey1's videos are much better as the top is much passionate when interacting with the bottom.

I asked this in other forum buy I never got an answer, did you any of you ever met a bottom that appeared in any videos of those two guys videos (badmanrobin and crazymonkey).
I know not all guys were Thai, some I think were Vietnamese, but not sure where the videos were recorded.

[Oliver2]

Latin's post reminds me of how much I miss Babylon.

I well recall an occurrence a decade or so back. I'd just enjoyed an encounter with a cute Thai guy when I opened the cabin door to finds an old falang gentleman leering at us.

"How about another go?" he said.

The Thai guy looked at him with disarming hauteur. "Not with you, you creepy old b****r" he said.. And flounced off.

Well, something like that.

[latintopxxx]

...if i took bitchy rejection comments seriously I would have jumped off a highrise ages ago...i have selective memory...the successes i remember vividly...the rejections dont even register...if it was too easy it wouldnt be as good...

[latintopxxx]

...but yes I do miss babylon and am seriously considering skipping BKK totally & shooting off to Pattaya

[gerefan2]

...but yes I do miss babylon and am seriously considering skipping BKK totally & shooting off to Pattaya

I already do exactly that. I’m sure many others do as well.

[Oliver2]

Already done....apart from the first night to help with jet-lag. I do miss the excitement of Bangkok- the moment when the airport doors open and the hot, damp, smelly air drifts in, the journey from the airport, the first squid salad and chicken cashew nuts of the trip in Soi 4....but no, now that Babs is no more, one night is enough. Unless we're flying out to CNX and so on.

[maump]

Just downloaded a movie from BiLatin men. http://bilatinmen.com/latin_men_preview/model1560/latin_men_preview_1560.php the hairy guy was freebie I had in Medellin. he was bottom (and top, we BB flipped) and loves to eat old man ass (don't ask me why).

[latintopxxx]

i assume that you are of north european extraction...i noticed that the swarthy lot in south america are extra attracted to that look...makes for fun times...opposires attract...fuck buddy of mine is in his early 40';s...so still fit and hes a cherry blond with a decent sized dick and pink nipples....the Brazilians absolutely hunt him down...cant get enough of his exoticness...aoart from the deep south most Brazilians are "tanned"...so guess cherry blonds are a rareity

[maump]

i assume that you are of north european extraction...i noticed that the swarthy lot in south america are extra attracted to that look...makes for fun times...opposires attract...fuck buddy of mine is in his early 40';s...so still fit and hes a cherry blond with a decent sized dick and pink nipples....the Brazilians absolutely hunt him down...cant get enough of his exoticness...aoart from the deep south most Brazilians are "tanned"...so guess cherry blonds are a rareity

If you are asking me if I'm "European extract" , yes. I can't tan if I try. just burn peal get cancer. brown (salt pepper) hair green eyes, not terribly fat.... Love to bottom for a well hung latin man (hair and all) and top a twink.

[latintopxxx]

...they would stick a bounty on u in Brazil...try sauntering down Rua Frei Caneca ....or as us family say..."gay caneca"...its in sao paulo....the gays will make so much suggestive eye contact u will need an opticians help.....

[maump]

...they would stick a bounty on u in Brazil...try sauntering down Rua Frei Caneca ....or as us family say..."gay caneca"...its in sao paulo....the gays will make so much suggestive eye contact u will need an opticians help.....

I would surely love to be used by more Latin BB tops, Colombia was very fun. Maybe Medellin Watson this winter vice Thailand\phillipines.

[maump]

I will be able to provide anectodal feedback on the effectiveness of bacteria prep. I have confirmed through testing, that one man who I had repeated bareback receptive sex with was infected with not chlamydia that I suspected but gonorrhea.

Followup, doxycycline prep prevented the gonorrhea injected into me from infecting me . And the other man who also was injected developed no symptoms. Although the doxy was not strong enough to cure the man who tried to infect us.

[maump]

From Washington Post article on doxy pep.
For the past decade, people have been able to have unprotected sex with a low risk of contracting HIV thanks to daily pills known as PrEP, or pre-exposure prophylaxis. But they were still susceptible to bacterial bugs, including the recent spike in syphilis, gonorrhea and chlamydia — until now.
Recent studies show the antibiotic doxycycline taken after sexual encounters works as a post-exposure prophylaxis to prevent those infections. But experts are also worried about unintended consequences. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention plans to release guidelines later this summer for deploying the treatment, known as DoxyPEP, in hopes of addressing fears among medical professionals that preventive use would fuel antibiotic resistance — and the rise of drug-resistant superbugs.
“It’s the first major intervention we’ve had for STIs since the vaccine for human papillomavirus,” nearly two decades ago, said Jonathan Mermin, who leads STI prevention for the CDC. “But it is a new intervention, and because of that, there are potential benefits and potential risks.”
Doctors, public health officials and sexual health clinics have embraced preventive pills as a realistic way to curb STIs because they preserve pleasure while protecting partners. Some doctors have started prescribing it to a narrow segment of the gay community considered at elevated risk for STIs.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2023/07/24/doxypep-std-sti-prevention/

[topjohn5]

Good luck and congratulations if your doctors have managed to cure you of hepatitis B, herpes or HPV, that’ll be a medical first!

I guess you don't know that both HPV and hepatitis b and also a have vaccines...that leaves herpes which a quarter of the adults in the world have...

[latintopxxx]

dunno...despite all the doom and gloom I still do bareback...love it...will probably catch up with me one day but al least i can say i lived...i had the full fat version...not the low fat vegan meatless soy alternative ...

[Oliver2]

Taking risks with our own lives is foolhardy; taking them with someone else's life is wrong.

[latintopxxx]

oh dear...this discussion can be taken down a rabbit hole with its many twists and tirns and definitions..

[Dodger]

There's some level of risk involved in every aspect of our lives - that's just the way the world turns, but I guess what most people do is try to minimize risk as much as possible and hope for the best. I know that's what I do.

The only way I know of to eliminate any/all risk associated with driving a motorbike in Thailand would be to not drive a motorbike at all. Unfortunately that's not an acceptable alternative for me so I'm willing to accept a certain amount of risk just for the joy and convenience that driving a motorbike provides me. I mitigate the risk by driving slow and cautiously at all times...never drive in the evening hours when the highest percentage of accidents happen...never drink and drive...and avoid driving during peak holiday periods, but even then there is still some level of risk which I'm simply willing to accept.

Back in my Butterfly Days I always applied the same mitigation" logic with sex:

If I was offing #22 from a local gogo bar I would usually be inclined to use a condom (regardless if I was barebacking or barebottoming). If I was tossing in the hay with a boy who worked as a cashier at Royal Garden I probably wouldn't even think about wearing a condom as long as he was comfortable and the risk we were both taking was mutually acceptable. I'm not saying that what I was doing was right. I'm just telling you what I did.

I'm in a monogamous relationship now so I don't have to worry about this crap. I guess you could say I'm operating with "zero risk". Now all I have to do to wait until I die.

[latintopxxx]

Dodger...surely you jest....cashier boy probably got barebacked by me the previous evening after I had barebacked no.22 that afternoon...and no.22 barebacks at least 4 clients a day...so whilst you are gently making love to cashier boy excvhanging body fluids you are in fact wallowing in my cum...and the cum of every single customer no.22 has allowed to enjoy his rear entrance...as for monogomy...maybe one day I will understand it...currently the closest thing I have is the house boy which I rotate out on a yearly basis at the very latest..

[Dodger]

...as for monogomy...maybe one day I will understand it....

Or...maybe for you that day will never come. It's certainly not for everyone.

[arsenal]

Nothing good ever follows the prefix 'mono'.

[latintopxxx]

monopoly...used to enjoy it as a child..

[Oliver2]

Monotonous....repeated claims here and on another gay Thailand web-site that unsafe sex isn't a threat to Thailand's gay community.

[latintopxxx]

thats the problem with you lefties...you always trying to make people do stuff your way...if I dont like a store I dont shop there...yopu try to shut them down...like Jesus said...the left will eat their own

[maump]

I tried to educate My Colombian "BF" (that I fucked for a month last year) about PrEP.

He got pissed and said I was preachy and patronizing and he "knew" all about it. He tested positive earlier this year.... but meds are free and his CP4 is good, Virus level dropping fast.

Hoping he is Undetectable before I fuck him some more this winter.

[latintopxxx]

every wednesday I attend an invite only sex party....apparently there is a shortage of tops so Im always in demand...about 30 will attend...would say on average about 3 would be new...some of the guys only get invited because they bring a much younger partner along...Ill fuuck at least 10, cum 3 times...i can only assume some are postive...so I need to trust the science which says prep is effective...and I feel no guilt when I insist with the money boy that its bareback or nothing...he can say no and decline the arrangement...its his choice...and spare me the starving waif narrative...they all dress better than me and have the latest iphones...while im still tapping on my 5 year old one

[maump]

every wednesday I attend an invite only sex party....apparently there is a shortage of tops so Im always in demand...about 30 will attend...would say on average about 3 would be new...some of the guys only get invited because they bring a much younger partner along...Ill fuuck at least 10, cum 3 times...:clapping:

i can only assume some are postive...so I need to trust the science which says prep is effective...and I feel no guilt when I insist with the money boy that its bareback or nothing...he can say no and decline the arrangement...its his choice...

Orgy!! Wish I had been able to do that when I was young and a better top.

BB I do the same with Money boys I want to top. More lenient when I bottom.

[latintopxxx]

dunno how old u r...but im about to hit 50...slow jog 8km every morning...do weights every 2nd day... can fuck for ages before i cum ...love group sex...lovedthe sex parties at club church (amsterdam) when i lived there and le'impact when i visited paris...all my hoilidays are planned around sex...

[Moses]

=====.i can only assume some are postive...so I need to trust the science which says prep is effective...=====

With prep you are likely safe, but you still transfer virus on your skin from one hole to another hole...

[maump]

dunno how old u r...but im about to hit 50...slow jog 8km every morning...do weights every 2nd day... can fuck for ages before i cum ...love group sex...lovedthe sex parties at club church (amsterdam) when i lived there and le'impact when i visited paris...all my hoilidays are planned around sex..:cool:.

I'm in my mid sixties, the dick system is clearly failing fast (too much porn? heart meds?).

I was a little wild in my late 30's when I came out (to family) and had a pig bottom as a BF. Had an asian fetish, but never made it to thailand until 2016. Always verse, but being 6"1" 210 lbs and out going, bottoms chased me.

Now, I mostly look for verse or top verse on my vacations. Taking 2 or 3 loads before I drop mine in a bottom is a great joy.

[latintopxxx]

Moses...Moses...if im negative (which I am) i cannot infect anyone...and if Im on prep I cant get ingected. All iother STDs of which Ive had a few (usual suspects like gono and chylamidia) can be treated...besides even a HIV positive guy on the correct meds cannot infect anyone else either..

maump...luckily everything works just fine in the erection department...not that I dont occasionally reinforce it with cialisis of viagra...

[Moses]

=====Moses...Moses...if im negative (which I am) i cannot infect anyone...and if Im on prep I cant get ingected========

Sure, but you may easy transfer virus from one hole to next one.