Long Term Off

[aot871]

What % of guys on holiday take a boy for more than 1 week or is it more like a1 night stand

[cdnmatt]

I took a go-go boy off for 3.5 years one time. Not sure if I would recommend it though.

[Mancs]

One version I've done is to see the same man every night but they have gone to work in the day/evening. Need to make sure we both want to sleep at the same time though. Many an Asian man who works evenings likes to sleep 6am to 4pm.

[frequent]

What % of guys on holiday take a boy for more than 1 week or is it more like a1 night stand
I'd have thought the prior question is how many guys do you have to road test before you decide on a constant companion?

[Wolzek]

What % of guys on holiday take a boy for more than 1 week or is it more like a1 night stand

23%

[Oliver2]

From what I've heard , these long-time offs aren't always popular. There are complaints that the falang pays much the same as for a short-time or one-nighter per day. Spending four or five days and nights 24/7 with the same falang must be difficult. I recently chatted with a guy who'd been taken to a 5* hotel in Bangkok for four days and nights and was given 5000 bht for the whole trip. He was very disappointed. Another guy I know, a masseur who was doing quite well, was offed by a falang for a week and spent his days- as far as I could see- sitting next to him outside the parlour fixated on his mobile while the falang ignored him. I hope he was paid appropriately for lost custom.
Other stories I've heard are the payment of 500bht a day for a long-time off in Pattaya, again for someone who was earning well in his bar (yes, this was a few years ago). On the other hand this same guy certainly enjoyed a stay on Koh Chang with a relatively young and wealthy Thai...so I suppose sometimes it works out well.

[christianpfc]

Nowadays the majority of my encounters are short time. Overnight only after positive short time.

In five years of living here, the longest I spent with one boy was one week in 2011, followed by 5 days (with another boy) in 2015, followed by 3 days (with yet another boy) in 2017. There are just too many cultural differences (sleep-wake pattern, eating, mode of transport - mostly walking or bus for me - mobile phone and TV use) and I'm a solitary person anyway.

[cdnmatt]

Another similar question would be, do you keep offing the same boy, or do you always look for new flesh?

I prefer the former myself. Even if I only see the guy once a week, I still always stick with the same 2 or 3 guys. It's nice to build at least a small relationship, plus the sex is better once you know each other and are comfortable with each other I think.

[kittyboy]

My approach is to do both.
I have a long time Thai guy I see.
He is lots of fun....but I get bored with his company.
He encourages me to find other guys..short term..

Hmmm..on reflection maybe he get bored with me?

[frequent]

Another similar question would be, do you keep offing the same boy, or do you always look for new flesh?

I prefer the former myself. Even if I only see the guy once a week, I still always stick with the same 2 or 3 guys. It's nice to build at least a small relationship, plus the sex is better once you know each other and are comfortable with each other I think.You "off" do you Matt?

[Smiles]

" ... There are just too many cultural differences (sleep-wake pattern, eating, mode of transport ... ".And don't forget the compulsive need to inspect for the wrong type, colour, and texture of underwear.
There are many more criteria which I've thankfully forgotten.

[frequent]

And don't forget the compulsive need to inspect for the wrong type, colour, and texture of underwear.
There are many more criteria which I've thankfully forgotten.Crabs

[AsDaRa]

I recently chatted with a guy who'd been taken to a 5* hotel in Bangkok for four days and nights and was given 5000 bht for the whole trip. He was very disappointed.

The farang indeed underpaid him. What a cheap charlie. A bit more than 1000 baht per day of having the boy with you all day.
BUT THE BOY IS ALSO TO BLAME: agree on price first. What would he have done if the farang hadnt paid at all assuming it was free since he didnt mention price?

[Mancs]

I took a man to Pattaya for 4 days last year and paid him 4,000 baht a day. This week he suggested I took him on another trip. I said this would be expensive so he replied that 3,000 baht a day would be ok. Just a flavour of what the going rate might be.

[frequent]

I took a man to Pattaya for 4 days last year and paid him 4,000 baht a day. This week he suggested I took him on another trip. I said this would be expensive so he replied that 3,000 baht a day would be ok. Just a flavour of what the going rate might be.What did you do for the other 23 hours?

[cdnmatt]

I took a man to Pattaya for 4 days last year and paid him 4,000 baht a day. This week he suggested I took him on another trip. I said this would be expensive so he replied that 3,000 baht a day would be ok. Just a flavour of what the going rate might be.


I think it's all kind of relative. Apparently, Leo will go for 10 weeks for a simple 5000 baht. That's only about 71.5 baht/day. How can you get better?

[frequent]

I think it's all kind of relative. Apparently, Leo will go for 10 weeks for a simple 5000 baht. That's only about 71.5 baht/day. How can you get better?Still bitter then Matt?

[cdnmatt]

Still bitter then Matt?

It takes time. Apparently, having your heart broken produces the same brain activity as someone withdrawing from heroin or opiods. Never knew that before this little phase.

I'm pretty much over it though. Was even a nice guy, and wished him a happy birthday earlier tonight. He was pretty surprised I remembered his birthday. He didn't fucken remember mine.

[frequent]

It takes time. Apparently, having your heart broken produces the same brain activity as someone withdrawing from heroin or opiods. Never knew that before this little phase.

I'm pretty much over it though. Was even a nice guy, and wished him a happy birthday earlier tonight. He was pretty surprised I remembered his birthday. He didn't fucken remember mine.Oh dear. He's your fourth isn't he? You never get used to it? I was just thinking today how similar you are to Donald Trump. He can't find a native-born American to marry him; you're on your fourth foreign-born "husband". And you're both narcissists, both successful entrepreneurs. It's so spooky

[catawampuscat]

There’s a farang who keeps a boy and pays him far less than 500b. a day. He rationalizes that the boy doesn’t
have to pay rent or for food. The boy does have to cook and clean and provide sexual services and stay with
the farang pretty much 24 hours a day. This went on for years until one day the boy got into the farangs safe
and absconded with over 5000 euros
After a while the farang missed the lad and wanted the boy to return. I’ve heard the farang is a little more generous now.

[frequent]

There’s a farang who keeps a boy and pays him far less than 500b. a day. He rationalizes that the boy doesn’t
have to pay rent or for food. The boy does have to cook and clean and provide sexual services and stay with
the farang pretty much 24 hours a day. This went on for years until one day the boy got into the farangs safe
and absconded with over 5000 euros
After a while the farang missed the lad and wanted the boy to return. I’ve heard the farang is a little more generous now.An interesting international report out this week highlights wealth disparity in Thailand. According to the report 1% of the Thai population owns 66% of the wealth. The government and its apologists are unimpressed and are attempting to discredit it

[catawampuscat]

One more farang paying boy not enough anecdote. I asked a gogo boy in Sunee where he’d been as I hadn’t seen him recently.
He said he just quit taking care of a European farang, who paid him 500 b. a day. The boy felt the farang was cheap
as he required the boy to be with him every night for dinner and hours drinking in Jomtien bar beers.
No doubt the farang felt justified as he paid for dinner and all the drinks, but the boys don’t see it that way..

[frequent]

One more farang paying boy not enough anecdote. I asked a gogo boy in Sunee where he’d been as I hadn’t seen him recently.
He said he just quit taking care of a European farang, who paid him 500 b. a day. The boy felt the farang was cheap as he required the boy to be with him every night for dinner and hours drinking in Jomtien bar beers.
No doubt the farang felt justified as he paid for dinner and all the drinks, but the boys don’t see it that way..It's a mentality I can't comprehend - paid companionship from someone with whom you have nothing in common, especially as the payer appears to believe he's generosity personified and his companion feels exploited

[Mancs]

What did you do for the other 23 hours?

Jet skiing, lunch, go go bars, shopping. It proved expensive.

[aot871]

One more farang paying boy not enough anecdote. I asked a gogo boy in Sunee where he’d been as I hadn’t seen him recently.
He said he just quit taking care of a European farang, who paid him 500 b. a day. The boy felt the farang was cheap
as he required the boy to be with him every night for dinner and hours drinking in Jomtien bar beers.
No doubt the farang felt justified as he paid for dinner and all the drinks, but the boys don’t see it that way..

It might sound cheap but how much would the boy earn on a building site or an Issan rice farm ? Im not sure it would be 15,000 amonth. plus he would have to pay for room food and drink. I have taken a boy before for a week and given him 10,000 . At the time he seemed happy

[sglad]

It might sound cheap but how much would the boy earn on a building site or an Issan rice farm ? Im not sure it would be 15,000 amonth. plus he would have to pay for room food and drink. I have taken a boy before for a week and given him 10,000 . At the time he seemed happy

You can't compare sex/escort work with farm work. If the guys wanted farm work wages they would have stayed on the farm. There's a whole body of academic study as to why sex work tends to be paid disproportionately higher for the same amount of labour expended compared to other types of work but I can't be bothered to look it up now.

[sglad]

One more farang paying boy not enough anecdote. I asked a gogo boy in Sunee where he’d been as I hadn’t seen him recently.
He said he just quit taking care of a European farang, who paid him 500 b. a day. The boy felt the farang was cheap
as he required the boy to be with him every night for dinner and hours drinking in Jomtien bar beers.
No doubt the farang felt justified as he paid for dinner and all the drinks, but the boys don’t see it that way..

Spending a few days with a John is still viewed as work by the sex worker and rightly so. The John might think that he is giving his rent boy a holiday or a break from regular sex work but the fact is he still has to compensate the sex worker for his time. In economics, it's called compensating for opportunity costs. What is the opportunity cost to the boy for spending his daylight hours with the John? His free time, his sleep-in time, his sanity, other work he could have taken up, social time with his friends, etc. What is the opportunity cost to the boy for spending his nocturnal hours with the John? Other, potentially more rewarding, customers. These are costs and therefore can be measured in monetary terms. The boys are not asking to be fed and they are not looking to stay in fancy hotels - they can buy their own food, pay for their own lodgings and go on trips with their friends with the 'salary' you are supposed to pay them. That is the point of them working for you - to MAKE MONEY.

Look at it another way: you make your staff attend an all-expenses paid, three-day company trip at some fancy resort - do you then deduct three days of their wages because you feel that you have already 'paid' them with the trip?

[arsenal]

Sglad wrote.
"his sanity"

Haha. Yes indeed. Except in very unusual circumstances the average Thai money boy finds the average farang dull after two hours. And actually for that matter, so do I.

[frequent]

Jet skiing, lunch, go go bars, shopping. It proved expensive.So the true cost was more 10,000 baht per day?

[frequent]

It might sound cheap but how much would the boy earn on a building site or an Issan rice farm ? Im not sure it would be 15,000 amonth. plus he would have to pay for room food and drink. I have taken a boy before for a week and given him 10,000 . At the time he seemed happyThere's always a premium for sex work. In your own country the sex work hourly rate is likely to be 5+ times the hourly rate of the unskilled worker

[cdnmatt]

There's always a premium for sex work. In your own country the sex work hourly rate is likely to be 5+ times the hourly rate of the unskilled worker


Tough to determine a sex workers wage though, isn't it? Sometimes you end up with a dud, who just lays like like a lump of coal and expects you to do everything. Other times just get a bit of whiskey into the guy, and whew, off the go like crazy all over your body!


I'd say the sex crazed maniac is worth a little more in pay than the dud.

[frequent]

Tough to determine a sex workers wage though, isn't it? Sometimes you end up with a dud, who just lays like like a lump of coal and expects you to do everything. Other times just get a bit of whiskey into the guy, and whew, off the go like crazy all over your body! I'd say the sex crazed maniac is worth a little more in pay than the dud.Typical of your utterly confused thought processes. Someone's wage is independent of the quality of their work - like a restaurant meal; some are excellent, some are duds but you pay the price on the menu not the price you think the meal is worth

[Mancs]

Typical of your utterly confused thought processes. Someone's wage is independent of the quality of their work - like a restaurant meal; some are excellent, some are duds but you pay the price on the menu not the price you think the meal is worth

Next time I go to Screwboys or some other bar I will ask for the menu of young men's off fees. Though if a massage shop can have a menu (minimum tip xxx baht) why not a go go bar?. They might have to call it 2 hours company but we will understand.

[frequent]

Next time I go to Screwboys or some other bar I will ask for the menu of young men's off fees. Though if a massage shop can have a menu (minimum tip xxx baht) why not a go go bar?. They might have to call it 2 hours company but we will understand.Evidently the notion of a simile (https://examples.yourdictionary.com/examples-of-similes.html) is lost on some of our members

[arsenal]

Toy Boys did have a menu with exactly that on the table. The off fee and the expected tip. I didn't go in there last trip so I'm not sure if they still do.

[frequent]

Toy Boys did have a menu with exactly that on the table. The off fee and the expected tip. I didn't go in there last trip so I'm not sure if they still do.I once went to a male brothel in a western country where every possible activity was not only listed but there were three columns with prices - what the sex worker did, what the customer did, and the all-in price if it was mutual. Bizarre. I assumed the manager had a form of autism

The three guys on offer all looked like off-duty hairdresser clones so I passed

[arsenal]

Some of the gay escort places in Japan have websites that list most fetishes along with the cost and which boys do what.

However. Inspector Arsenal's gimlet eye has noticed that the boys photos are never updated.

[Mancs]

A very good book is 'Everything is Negotiable' by Gavin Kennedy. If there is no menu the price is negotiable. Sellers have written menus to imply the price is fixed. It often isn't. And I think Matt is right that: "the sex crazed maniac is worth a little more in pay than the dud". But I still pay the young men in Bangkok 2,000 baht for short time, even if they are no good in bed. It is not a job I would want to do. I will save my haggling for fancy hotels and the like which don't deliver on the contract. I once got $200 back from a hotel in Asia for that and immediately gave it to the lads working in the go go bars.

[frequent]

And I think Matt is right that: "the sex crazed maniac is worth a little more in pay than the dud"That's not in dispute. Matt's comment that it's "tough to determine a sex workers wage though, isn't it?" is complete nonsense, especially in the context that "the sex crazed maniac is worth a little more in pay than the dud". What his addled brain seems to be attempting to articulate is that it may be tough to determine what a sex worker is worth to the customer, not what their wage is

[frequent]

Some of the gay escort places in Japan have websites that list most fetishes along with the cost and which boys do what. However. Inspector Arsenal's gimlet eye has noticed that the boys photos are never updated.I've always regarded the Japanese as total animals at sex (thank god) - the average encounter with a Japanese guy is way, way better than, say, with a Thai guy

[gerefan2]

I've always regarded the Japanese as total animals at sex (thank god) - the average encounter with a Japanese guy is way, way better than, say, with a Thai guy

So what keeps you in Thailand then? Ah the intangibles...to quote yourself!

[Nathan B]

Someone's wage is independent of the quality of their work

That's some strange parallel universe you inhabit. In my world, your pay, promotions, prospects and opportunities are directly related to the quality of your work.

[frequent]

That's some strange parallel universe you inhabit. In my world, your pay, promotions, prospects and opportunities are directly related to the quality of your work.Last Friday was a typical day:

After breakfast I had a word with condo management. My condo building is managed by the same extended Chinese-Thai family. Mother rules the roost. Her daughter manages the lettings. Daughter's husband manages repairs and maintenance. Husband's sister works in the office doing something or other. The family son and heir slopes around the place in some paid capacity. Various family retainers who have been there many years fulfill cleaning roles. The only non-permanent staff are the security detail, supplied by PCS or similar. They rotate regularly - annoyingly often just after I've managed to get them to show me how they polish their truncheon. It is not a meritocratic work environment
I go to the same coffee shop; the staff don't change that often. Some are friendly, some are indifferent. All can make coffee the way I like it. I don't know but I doubt there's much difference between them as far as "pay, promotions, prospects and opportunities" go
A friend invited me to lunch, but insisted it would be at S&P. My experience of various S&P outlets over the years is that they have elevated incompetence to heights not often seen even in Thailand. I made the mistake of ordering a new (to me) dish on the menu - a pasta. It was edible but as pasta it was execrable. It was also more expensive than, say, The Common Room (https://appetti.com/bangkok/common-room/restaurant/siam/9017) at Chamchuri Square which actually knows how to cook pasta. Given their entrenched incompetence in the kitchen either they have a very poor record in selecting cooks or their turnover of cooks is significant. I suspect the former and therefore that's a fail in assuming "pay, promotions, prospects and opportunities are directly related to the quality of {the} work"
After lunch I needed a haircut so went to my usual barbers. There's a guy there I've noticed doesn't seem to do very much even though he's dolled out in the name badge etc. I asked my usual guy what the boy does. In summary he's the manager's "favourite". It's a role I've encountered the world over - one or more barely competent employees protected by a senior manager. It's closely related to that other widespread phenomenon - sucking up to the boss. No meritocracy needed. My brother was recently laid off (not in Thailand) and in his place a young woman was promoted. She was fucking a senior manager. Meritocracy anyone?
Thence to Tops Supermarket. Various flunkeys were lurking about as usual. I have no idea what their role is supposed to be; it seems largely to be chatting to one another. Other employees were stacking the shelves. Call me old-fashioned but I suspect stacking supermarket shelves is not one of your actual highly-skilled jobs where "pay, promotions, prospects and opportunities are directly related to the quality of {the} work". Then there's the checkout. I suppose it might be possible to rise to the giddy heights of Checkout Chick Grade 4, but my impression is they keep their job for as long as they can keep their fingers out of the till, and their pay is pretty similar one with another
The highlight of my day was one of my regular guys bringing over a new guy for a road test. First impressions were good - a handsome, dark-chocolate Cambodian. However his repertoire was strictly limited and while he was showering afterwards my regular and I agreed he would not be added to the Black Book. I believe in full transparency in these matters - each boy was given the same tip as the other, in full view of the other. In this case I guess "prospects and opportunities" were related to performance, pay not so much
So to dinner. I surveyed the serried ranks of Telephone and Balcony waiters. I've had enough post-coital conversations with many of them to know that the pay scale is on the flat rather than the differential side
That's the strange parallel universe I inhabit. I'd call it Thailand but I suspect it's really just ordinary life, that thing inhabited by most of us

[gerefan2]

Did you crib the first paragraph from someone living in Yensabai Condo?

[Smiles]

" ... Thence to Tops Supermarket. Various flunkeys were lurking about as usual. . . . Then there's the checkout. I suppose it might be possible to rise to the giddy heights of Checkout Chick Grade 4, but my impression is they keep their job for as long as they can keep their fingers out of the till ..."

Skip to the other day in the queue at TOPS (Hua Hin version):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pw8m_NTJ_0&list=PLDVj7pvDirz80-LPpYmHM_GNYJpKAbpEo