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Marsilius
November 20th, 2018, 18:57
A couple of general observations first… In the three years or so since I was last in Prague there seem to have been a couple of significant changes. On what will be a positive note for many of us, a smoking ban was introduced in the Czech Republic in 2017. You will now, therefore, find that bars are smoke-free, with customers (and boys!) exiting frequently to smoke on the pavement outside [a usefully resulting benefit is that, whereas previously many boys might stayed slumped over their mobile phone screens at the bar for hours on end, you now get the chance to catch their eye as they pass by – and that constant to-ing and fro-ing also allows them to spot that there are some potential clients in the place who might be worth approaching]. Incidentally, as a result of the ban, I note that Villa Mansland – which had originally, under its post-Harry ownership, repositioned itself as some sort of smokers’ club now offers merely a designated smoking area.

One more negative change – although it may just be my own back luck – is that crime in Prague seems to have increased. Not only was I was jostled (unsuccessfully) in the street by the very same female pickpocket on two successive nights but my luggage was rifled through in the hotel’s luggage store (the wallet that they took was, thankfully, completely empty).

Better news emerges, though, with regard to Prague’s famous boys. Although I didn’t even bother checking that Escape is closed (everyone online says it is) and I didn’t get out to Ladvi to check out Villa Mansland (when I did that three years ago, the staff were completely indifferent and the boys non-existent), I did visit the old Monty’s and Club Temple every day. Those two are now marketed under the joint name “Up & Down”, with Monty’s up the hill being “Up” and the semi-subterranean old Club Temple now “Down”. I guess that, on the same logic, they might have been rechristened “Top & Bottom” – but maybe that was thought to be a step too far…

Up/Monty’s looks like it has had some money spent on a much-needed refurbishment. As you enter, the first things you notice are that the old floor has been replaced with a bright-coloured parquet design and that the old staircase up to the mezzanine above the bar has been taken out. The bar itself remains in the same position as before. There are new tables and chairs which, because the available space has been slightly increased, are now a bit further apart and so offer slightly more privacy for conversation. The overall effect is to have created a much brighter, bigger-looking and neater area. If it had been up to me, I’d have knocked down the wall between the small bar and the larger lounge area off it, but perhaps it serves a structural purpose and can’t be moved – in any case it is still there and, annoyingly, continues to prevent customers being able to see all the boys in the place at a single glance. Although I didn’t sit in the larger lounge area itself, it looked pretty comfortable and more welcoming that before: a very large TV screen at the far end seems to show soccer around the clock. The toilets are in the same location as before but are in a decidedly cleaner state. Drinks, by the way, are still among the cheapest I found anywhere in Prague: the beer on offer now is Konrad – it doesn’t have the strongly hoppy taste of some of the other Czech beers but is perfectly drinkable.

Opening times at Up are somewhat mystifying. The usual opening time is supposedly 2 pm and closing at 9 pm. A ticker-tape electric sign suggests however, that, in response to customer feedback, on Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays the opening times are 11 am – 6 am (i.e. a 19-hour day). But when, on one of those days, I did arrive there at 10 pm, planning to have a drink before heading to Down, I found the place closed – so maybe those 19 hours are an idealised aspiration rather than a real commitment. Over five days in Prague, I visited Up every afternoon and spent an hour or two there. There were always at least two or three rent boys there, none of them unattractive, while on Saturday and Sunday it was more like half a dozen. On the basis of my few days of survey, I’d say that on weekdays the boys are outnumbered by customers (though not all of the latter gave the impression that they were in buying mode) while at weekends the reverse seemed to be true. One odd thing: on a couple of my visits there were a few girl customers in Up – not something that I’d ever noticed in its old Monty’s incarnation.

Moving on to Down, my usual time to arrive at was somewhere between 10 pm and 11 pm. The main bar area hasn’t changed much, I’d say, from Club Temple days – though maybe a bit of the old “Aztec” décor has gone? The big thing that you may notice, though, is that the large TV screens that always used to be showing Bel Ami movies and suchlike have been removed. Personally, I’d miss those if it were a quiet night when there might not be much else in the bar to look at. While I can’t put my foot on any precise change, the “show” area at the far end of the bar seems to have been neatened up a bit and no longer resembles a place to put old bits of junk. The toilet has certainly been cleaned up, with, I think, brighter lighting and new sanitary ware. On the Friday and Saturday nights of my visit, there was “entertainment” in Down. The DJ announced at 11 pm that it would be happening in 10 minutes; at 11.15 that it would be starting in 5 minutes; and at 11.30 that it would begin in 10 minutes. At 11.40 pm (both nights) a stripper appeared and did a 5 minutes routine, stripping from street clothes to complete nudity (not just a quick Full Monty flash but maintained for about a minute under full lighting while he danced around). On both nights it was the same guy (“Antoine”, a well-endowed blond in, I’d say, his early 20s) so maybe recruiting guys is proving harder than it was in the past (it used to be claimed that, in exchange for allowing the boys to ply their trade in the old Club Temple, the management forced them to agree to join the stripping rota – but I cannot confirm that). At the end of his routine, Antoine, still fully naked, passed around the bar collecting tips (and gropes) from patrons – and then, having got dressed, sat with his biggest admirers/donors whom he’d no doubt identified as the night’s best prospects.

As with Up – and as with Club Temple in the past – there are fewer boys in Down during the weekday evenings (maybe 6 or 8 when I was there?) and more at weekends (maybe 12 – 15?). They are a pretty goodlooking bunch (though including, I’m afraid, the usual one or two who appear to be slightly spaced out on drugs) but they don’t seem to approach potential clients proactively as much as in the past. That was such a consistent pattern of (non)behaviour that I’d be tempted to speculate that it derives from instructions from the new management: maybe, as with the removal of the porno TVs, there’s an attempt to downplay the overtly sexual and sex-for-sale elements – but how, in that case, ought we to account for Antoine’s prolonged, rather than flash-in-the-pan, nudity?

By the way, one thing that I did notice in both Up and Down is that the staff are more polite and less standoffish than in the old days. They come more regularly to tables to solicit orders and are much friendlier than before. Down’s payment system (the constantly updated paper tab that you redeem on exiting) is unchanged. The large lesbian taxi driver is no longer a permanent feature, but perhaps she can be summoned on demand.

In conclusion: if you were familiar with Club Temple and Monty’s, you won’t notice too many changes in Up & Down. Some money has clearly been spent on both bars to enhance customers’ comfort and, while there may be slightly fewer boys around you will more than likely find one you like. I suspect that, just as we often observe in Thailand, boys are more and more marketing themselves online and so, sadly, fewer of them appear at the bars for our inspection than in the old days. Even if you’ve had a non-productive time at Up & Down, however, you’ll be pleased to hear that, as you make your way home, you’ll still find a potential new friend (or two or three) on the path and grounds outside the main railway station - though that's another story and is best left to itself ;-)

And finally, as requested (and with apologies to anyone offended by the antedeluvian use of a derogatory synonym for "gay": my only excuse is that it was necessary for the rhyme...)

A Czech boy who was new to the town
Viewed Prague's prices with hardly a frown
For he'd heard that his rent
Would be paid by the bent
Patrons of the boy bars Up & Down

gerefan2
November 21st, 2018, 19:55
Thank you for the comprehensive review. I am aware that Escape has closed.
Villa Mansland is also listed as closed, but is so far away to be of no consequence.
Troubled to hear that Up (or was it down) closed at 9 pm. That seems ridiculous.
Not much left in Prague for me...
Now a confirmed Thailand supporter!

PS. Scotty, this is not a limerick although it might look like one of mine:)

goji
November 22nd, 2018, 04:09
Thank you for the report Marsilius. I can almost picture the bars.

I couldn't care less about Escape closing, but what matters is were there any nice sweet twinks in "Down" ?

Also, of course Thailand is a much better bet, but any one based in Europe can visit Prague for a weekend (as I have done), but such a short trip simply would not work for Thailand.

Nirish guy
December 18th, 2018, 00:44
Well I'm just back from Prague and unfortunately can't update much if at all as as I already knew it wasn't "that' sort of weekend that I'd planned. Prague itself was lovely, my first time there and it was much better than I was expecting. I'd expected hoards of stag and hen parties and seen very few. There WERE hoards of bloody tours groups from I dont know where all marching along the streets two by two like something out of the ark and if you got caught up in one you were almost swept along whether you iiked it or not !

The city for those that dont know was small enough to get around easily but had lots of fantastic buildings and lots of great shopping too so i think I'll definitely head back at some point. I did struggle a bit at first with the Russian type gruff attitude of the locals but once you realised that they weren't intentionally being unfriendly and it just seemed their "way" it was easier to let it go - but a smile and a kind work occasionally maybe wouldn't have killed a few of them perhaps either.

I did head to a few gay bars for research purposes, starting in The Saints which was small and more like a locals friendly gay bar just, went to one other just around the corner which was totally DEAD ( midnight on a saturday night) then went to Termax bar / club which was meh busier. Again the overly aggressive and grumpy door staff do nothing for my enjoyment of a place these days but perhaps that's what they feel is necessary there (but I really doubt that and in my experience they only make the atmosphere of a place worse not better). Anyway, the bar was busy and the two dark rooms even busier again ( I just stuck my head in for a second to find out and didn't stay to sample the wares as looking round me at the whole range of Eastern European type guys and their general demeanour it just reminded me why I usually prefer Asia and Asian guys. But as I was with my BF that also may have been dampening my usual slutiness somewhat and I'm sure when alone I would have altered that view somewhat after a few drinks - I may have to return just to test that theory if nothing else !

We stayed there until about 3.30am and the place was sitting having people arriving and I got the feeling of things just livening up ( more as it was already quite busy and energetic).

Grindr seemed busy enough and again had I been alone I wouldn't have found myself stuck for a shag with messages ranging from money boys to 22 year old "I'm not a money boy ) so OBVIOUSLY they were money boys) messages, though to ordinary guys wanting to hook up. Ha I did have one "massage" guy who got quite irate after I simply didn't respond to his two short messages offering his services for 60 euro - who ended up lambasting me and calling me an idiot for not wanting him and when I explained I simply didn't need or want his services he then called me a number of names, accused me of being a member of the gestapo and then blocked me which I thought was quite funny:).

So all in all Prague, yep, I'd certainly go back but would the guys there have me rushing straight away to rebook a flight right now again, no, most definitely not, but maybe someday again when I have the time and notion to do a little more in-depth bar research next time perhaps.

gerefan2
December 18th, 2018, 02:39
Depends what you go to Prague for. If it’s for a genuine tourist trip it’s fine. There is plenty to see and do, not just in the town centre. Many fascinating museums about World War 2 and of course the castle which is a must.
If you are there for a weekend of sex and fun them I’m afraid you have missed the boat! Falls into the same category as Amsterdam. All finished 10+ years ago!

Nirish guy
December 18th, 2018, 04:13
Thankfully my trip was in the first category for a change so there was plenty to see and do and as Prague was in full Christmas market mode the city looked lovely as there were market stalls and shops adorned with twinkling lights everywhere you looked. To be honest though I'm guessing that if I had been there for a weekend of sex and fun then that too wouldn't have been that difficult to find as Grindr was ok and likewise there were a few guys in the bars that would have done "if stuck" - thankfully I didn't have to bother and was quite content having a nice christmas break instead.

frequent
December 18th, 2018, 04:39
... thankfully I didn't have to bother and was quite content having a nice christmas break instead.No need for Santa to come down your chimney?

Nirish guy
December 18th, 2018, 04:55
No need for Santa to come down your chimney?

None, although there was a man in a big red cloak who tried to entice me to sit on his knee and asked would it be ok if he fondled me a bit and if I was good and didn't tell anyone he'd give me a nice present - but it turns out that was just the local catholic Bishop out for his usual weekly groping session so nothing different from the usual there really......

a447
December 18th, 2018, 06:43
Great report, Nirish.

It confirms what others here have reported - Prague is no longer a gay mecca. Still, it is a beautiful city but I think the secret to enjoying it is to get up early and start sightseeing before all the tour buses arrive around 10am.

The attitude of the locals is understandable, as they have lost control of their own city and have been forced to abandon it to the hordes of tourists. A bit like Venice. Both cities are way too small for the number of visitors they receive and there is no way to escape from them.

However, I have one very fond memory of my last visit a few years ago. It was the first, and only, time I've ever used an app to find a guy. The encounter was fantastic!

But I still prefer to see the guys in person in a bar or club. So I won't be rushing back to Prague soon!

frequent
December 18th, 2018, 09:28
None, although there was a man in a big red cloak who tried to entice me to sit on his knee and asked would it be ok if he fondled me a bit and if I was good and didn't tell anyone he'd give me a nice present - but it turns out that was just the local catholic Bishop out for his usual weekly groping session so nothing different from the usual there really......
8548

Blacktouch
December 19th, 2018, 02:34
Well I'm just back from Prague and unfortunately can't update much if at all as as I already knew it wasn't "that' sort of weekend that I'd planned. Prague itself was lovely, my first time there and it was much better than I was expecting. I

So you did not manage to go to the only rent bar/club in Town?

Blacktouch
December 19th, 2018, 02:42
Depends what you go to Prague for. If it’s for a genuine tourist trip it’s fine. There is plenty to see and do, not just in the town centre. Many fascinating museums about World War 2 and of course the castle which is a must.
If you are there for a weekend of sex and fun them I’m afraid you have missed the boat! Falls into the same category as Amsterdam. All finished 10+ years ago!

Yes, unfortunately beautiful old Prague rent scene is completely finished sorry to say.

My friend was there again last week (Mon to Wed) and said the bar/club was a waste of time. In fact he left to go to a straight bar up the road as it had more atmosphere in there.

I really can't speak or comment about weekends, as he is not around during those times.

Yes Apps work well out there, just like in any other Country.

Nirish guy
December 19th, 2018, 02:45
So you did not manage to go to the only rent bar/club in Town?

If you mean up / down bar - nope, I didn't manage it / bother. I was there with both my 81 year old mother to show her the Christmas markets and after dropping her off at our apartment then on out with my not 81 year old BF. So, I figured having him sitting around up / down bar whilst I discussed the going rate with the locals didn't seem the best use of my time nor might it have been the smartest move and also mainly I just couldn't be bothered. I only slipped out for a few hours on the Saturday night with him so time was quite tight and when I noticed how quiet the place was I decided not to drive half way across the town checking anymore places out. This time I was there for a ( non sexy ) fun weekend so wasn't really that interested in what the rent scene was like there now - but hey if it's a mirror of the guys I seen in the gay bars and the dark rooms where I did go then you're welcome to them as they weren't my cup of tea in the slightest unfortunately and the gay "club" was like going back to some bad version of the 70's or something both fashion, dancing and gay behaviour wise .

Blacktouch
December 19th, 2018, 02:52
The other rent bar (Escape) which is closed, was meant to be reopening, but that has fallen through apparently. They say meant to open next year now. I hold my breath?