W and I

[arsenal]

I first met W a few years ago. He was working outside a massage place and I was immediately captivated by his slightly Roman good looks, floppy hair and smile as he said "hello sir, do you want a massage. He was on his first day, new to the scene and completely unprepared. Ignoring my own 'perfect off' advice I offed him immediately and whisked him back to my hotel. From there things went somewhat downhill. He didn't do anything except massage but was still expecting a full 1000 baht tip. When I told him that he was being unrealistic and that 500 was a fair price for massage only he started complaining about his 5 brothers and sisters that he had to support, got dressed and left. I'd totally fucked it up with him while still believing his expectations were out of kilter with the going rate. We passed each other frequently, never acknowledging, but he was still the cutest boy in town. Some time later he moved to a go go bar and it was torture to see his slight frame in tiny white briefs on the stage knowing he was out of my reach. As soon as he saw me he would turn to the boy next to him and tell him what a complete shitbag I was. However I'd offed quite a few boys from that bar and they'd always been great offs so I suspect the slagging off from W fell largely on deaf ears. One side point is that I never saw him offed or even sit with a customer. The reality is that few customers will off a boy who doesn't do anything at all and I think he found his time there difficult. Eventually he gave up and went back to the massage place. He was still the cutest boy in the soi and I was still transfixed by him, even more so due to his reticence to actually perform anything sexual. Time passed and it had been a couple of years since I first saw him.
I regretted the way things turned out, I didnt handle it very well and wished I could right it and anyway, he was still so fucking cute. Half the boys in the soi call out and flirt and say hello every time I pass but from W all I got was a cold stare. Anyway it was too late now, there was bad karma between us and no way to ever be friends again. Then one night I sat in a few bars over the course of the evening and watched W. He was thin, pale and gaunt and clearly had not a single.baht because he was asking every boy who bought food if he could have some. He was at rock bottom and i felt for him. I waited until he was sat in the right place and then I made my move. I walked up to him, and said.
"W, you look like shit, total shit. Eat some food. You look like shit."
And with that I gave him a 1000 baht note which he politely thanked me for and then I walked off. The next night as I passed, his colleagues told him to come to me and offer a massage but actually we both knew that this was not the right time. The bad karma had only just moved out and the new one needed some time to get unpacked so we just nodded nicely and left it at that. I was visiting Pattaya 5/6 times a year so I could afford to be patient. It was on the next trip that I finally got to enjoy W. He came up to me and asked me if I want a massage. I said I do but he has to kiss otherwise I won't. He thought briefly and said 'nik noi kissing. " No, I replied, not nik noi, lots." He agreed and so off we went. His massage was sexual beyond my hopes with his own unique twist that no one else does and he kissed with the passion that only straight boys have and it was worth waiting for. At last and a few years too late but I had had W. Now I have at least one massage from him every time I'm in Pattaya and if I don't see him then I miss it but look forward to the next time. Sometimes he doesn't feel like it and so he goes to work to avoid the fine but doesn't actually seek or accept clients. On those few ocassions I just say 'thats a pity' and leave it at that. I'll have one tomorrow. He tells me I'm the only customer he kisses and I choose to believe him because I like to believe it. I've had many massages with him and every one has been wonderful and I hope to enjoy many more with the cutest floppy haired slightly Roman looking boy Cambodia ever produced.

[Oliver2]

I love a Happy Ending. Full marks for perseverance and for reminding us- not that most have forgotten- that these guys are human beings and respond to kindness.

I had a similar experience with a Pattaya masseur many years ago. After a successful session in my hotel room, I foolishly told him that there'd be a replay before I went home. Unfortunately for him, I had just met P and was.... well, enamoured. In other words, there was no place in my diary. He reminded me of my promise the next time I passed him. On a subsequent visit, I couldn't go to Family Mart without receiving an accusing stare . Eventually, just before I went home, I came out of that shop and handed him a few hundred baht. I was still embarrassed and so I didn't wait to see his reaction.
Whether it melted his heart or not, I don't know because he wasn't there when I next went to Pattaya. Nor ever again. My last view of him was as an active participant in a threesome on a porn video. I forgot to mention that he was cute. And he certainly was on the screen.

[paborn]

I know my way of looking at this is not popular. However, if you had paid the 500 ( $15) and explained the issue to him you might have collapsed the time frame of this. I mean, remove the period of hate and mistrust and you get to the end of the game a lot quicker

[arsenal]

My regrets over the issue are clearly there and don't require further tut tutting thank you very much. I prefer to look at it that the cutest boy masseur in Pattaya only kisses me. So I'm informed.

[Smiles]

TOTALLY off message, but Arsenal surely you could make your long story much more easy to read if you employed sentences which are not never ending, and a few paragraphs placed in proper spots so folks can take rest. It's kind of like "white noise".

Kerouac had an excuse ... he was a heroin addict and he was called "eccentric anti-reader". But that's not you. I liked your story a lot. I liked my headache much less.

[arsenal]

Haha. I wrote it on a smart phone lying in bed while drinking coffee, looking at the news, smoking cigarettes and thinking about W whose acquaintance I shall be rekindling shortly so ya get wot ya get.

[a447]

A good read.

I'm particularly interested in "his own unique twist that no one else does...."

I thought I'd seen it all, but perhaps not!

Care to share?

[scottish-guy]

I heard he tucks his ankles behind his ears and plays the theme tune from Bonanza on a harmonica while you fuck him and call him a dirty cheap whore.

And I don't mean the boy.

:drink:

[arsenal]

A gentleman never tells a447. I believe Scottish Guy is describing a recent meeting betwen himself and Argosy.

[latintopxxx]

haha..arsenal is jewish...very clearly jewish

[paborn]

What on Earth can you mean by that?

[arsenal]

I think Latin is referring to my refusal to pay over the going rate. Even today if all the masseur does is massage then he's only getting 500 baht. Not that I would actually bother going with him.

[paborn]

Arsenal, I hope that is not what he meant. But, I fear you're right. Casual anti-semitism always appalls me.

[arsenal]

Paborn. Latin is many things but anti-Semitic he most definitely is not. He's frequently gone in to bat on behalf of Israel and its liberal attitude to gays compared to the neighbours.

[paborn]

Then, there is an even greater reason not to fall prey to the old insult hurled at Jews with regards to money. I bow to your better knowledge of Latin. In fact, I rather like him, hence my surprise in my original response.

[latintopxxx]

arsenal is very much on the ball...one thing Im most definitely noy is anti semetic..,or anti jewish....they could nuke a bus load of pregnant nuns and i would most certainly find a reason to blame the nuns...
What i was inferring to was the guilt trip....the one that jewish mothers use to keep their sons and occasionally daughters (although they are of a lesser value) in line...jewish mums can guilt trip their sons into doing anything...bit like these gogo bitch whore boys...acting all hurt and offended until the silly farang almost trips over himself trying to make amends...
No chance that will succeed with me..Id be the one offended and complaining loudly for days to all and sundry about shitty service ...

[scottish-guy]

.....Id be the one offended ...

You'd have to be some kind of professional offendee to join the ranks of certain SGT members whose daily mission appears to be to find something, anything to be offended about - whether it's anti-semitic remarks which aren't, "attacks" which never happened, or even when their spelling, grammar and punctuation errors are pointed our.

[arsenal]

I always try and have a few massages during a Pattaya visit. Always particularly fantastic after a long motorbike ride when Ws speciality comes into its own. Bliss.

[bkkguy]

even when their spelling, grammar and punctuation errors are pointed our.

you're typo their is amusing

bkkguy

[paborn]

Are you sure it's a "typo" I now know that, at least, I'm incapable of understanding the deep metaphor and wisdom of the chosen few who exist on a plane so high the Buddha would be in awe?

Actually, while I know it will bring joy to two of the utter ass holes who post here; But, I'm strongly considering leaving this board, at least for a time, and posting only on the more congenial one. If I don't it will be because I don't want to add another pitiful victory to their vile lives.

As God is my witness I no longer even peek ( lord, what I endured for that one ) at their diatribes; however, I'm deeply sure that the one is still farting about his noble obligation to educate the rest of us and the other? Well, there is little doubt he is still wanking off to the tune of constant repetitions of the evils of minor spelling errors.

[paborn]

arsenal is very much on the ball...one thing Im most definitely noy is anti semetic..,or anti jewish....they could nuke a bus load of pregnant nuns and i would most certainly find a reason to blame the nuns...
What i was inferring to was the guilt trip....the one that jewish mothers use to keep their sons and occasionally daughters (although they are of a lesser value) in line...jewish mums can guilt trip their sons into doing anything...bit like these gogo bitch whore boys...acting all hurt and offended until the silly farang almost trips over himself trying to make amends...
No chance that will succeed with me..Id be the one offended and complaining loudly for days to all and sundry about shitty service ...

Got it, my sincerest apologies.

[scottish-guy]

We don't call him The Rabbi for nothing

[latintopxxx]

..reference to shitty service was for u..scotty

[frequent]

You'd have to be some kind of professional offendee to join the ranks of certain SGT members whose daily mission appears to be to find something, anything to be offended about - whether it's anti-semitic remarks which aren't, "attacks" which never happened, or even when their spelling, grammar and punctuation errors are pointed our.I think you may have forgotten, scotty, that Americans generally have no sense of irony and self-deprecation is totally lost on them

[scottish-guy]

..reference to shitty service was for u..scotty

Oi Vey ist mir

[arsenal]

MFAS wrote about Scottish Guy.
"he never has anything to say but like a dog needs to piss on every tree just to let others know that he was here."

[paborn]

Thank you. I was, previously, unaware of MFAS's observational skills. Bravo!

[francois]

Don't leave paborn, this Forum needs a voice of reason and saneness.

[arsenal]

Sadly I think it might be best for you to move on Paborn. The cancer eating its way through the board here isn't going away. During and after your Thailand trip you'll probably want to post about your experiences, to enjoy it again through chat. You won't be able to do that here without the venom that accompanies most of the posts of everyone knows who. Sadly.

[Manforallseasons]

Oi Vey ist mir

Vietnamese?

[neddy3]

MFAS wrote about Scottish Guy.
"he never has anything to say but like a dog needs to piss on every tree just to let others know that he was here."

Yes, one of MFAS' most lucid observations.

[francois]

Vietnamese?



oy vey ist mir is a Yiddish phrase expressing dismay or exasperation.

[scottish-guy]

Yes, one of MFAS' most lucid observations.

And here was I thinking that Neddy's intervention into this thread might be to apologise for his comments in the thread about Christian's blog, where he got it spectacularly wrong and was put squarely in his place by the person concerned.

Alas, it seems all he has to offer is more backbiting and whining from off-stage, ably assisted by the usual suspects.

As Trump would say "How sad"

:drink:

[arsenal]

MFAS wrote about Scottish Guy.
"he never has anything to say but like a dog needs to piss on every tree just to let others know that he was here."

[scottish-guy]

Isn't this exactly the kind of trolling (following people from thread to thread, post to post - attempting to goad them into an argument) that got Arsenal suspended?

It was nice and peaceful whilst he was gone - until "Argosy" appeared with (curiously enough) exactly the same toxic personality and sense of entitlement.

[francois]

Alas, it seems all he has to offer is more backbiting and whining from off-stage, ably assisted by the usual suspects.


“He that is without sin among you, let him cast the first stone at her.” John 8:7 :devilsh:

[scottish-guy]

I rest my case

[paborn]

Sadly I think it might be best for you to move on Paborn. The cancer eating its way through the board here isn't going away. During and after your Thailand trip you'll probably want to post about your experiences, to enjoy it again through chat. You won't be able to do that here without the venom that accompanies most of the posts of everyone knows who. Sadly.

Even if I stay. I have utterly no intention of posting my thoughts here. That is certain.

[arsenal]

Regarding Argosy and with my regards to Scottish Guy.

https://sawatdeenetwork.com/v4/showthread.php?20320-Argosy&p=250048#post250048

[neddy3]

And here was I thinking that Neddy's intervention into this thread might be to apologise for his comments in the thread about Christian's blog, where he got it spectacularly wrong and was put squarely in his place by the person concerned.

Alas, it seems all he has to offer is more backbiting and whining from off-stage, ably assisted by the usual suspects.

As Trump would say "How sad"

:drink:

Well, I just checked, and that post got 8 likes.
So I don't feel alone.

Anyhow, what about the knife story. Did you get that right?

End of correspondence.
I am not playing your game of squabbling with whoever.
There is enough of that crap on this board already.

[Smiles]

Even if I stay. I have utterly no intention of posting my thoughts here. That is certain.Paborn, you have an unbelievably thin skin and overly patrician-like demeanour for you to join and participate on any message board and be happy doing so: someone will inevitably scratch your needy-ness for goody two-shoes-only thank you very much.

It's always rather sad when members decide to leave simply because they cannot come to grips with other members who act in ways foreign to yourself ... sometimes even appalling to yourself.
Actually it seems to me that "yourself" is your main go-to: i.e. hiding away behind the 'Ignore' button is about "yourself" and your thin skin not allowing you to take part in the give and take of crazy funny outrageous places like this.
I for one hope you don't run away. But . . . .

[scottish-guy]

... I'm strongly considering leaving this board, at least for a time, and posting only on the more congenial one...

8094

[arsenal]

Someone's furious. Leaping from forum to forum and screaming at all and sundry. How unbecoming.

[paborn]

Paborn, you have an unbelievably thin skin and overly patrician-like demeanour for you to join and participate on any message board and be happy doing so: someone will inevitably scratch your needy-ness for goody two-shoes-only thank you very much.

It's always rather sad when members decide to leave simply because they cannot come to grips with other members who act in ways foreign to yourself ... sometimes even appalling to yourself.
Actually it seems to me that "yourself" is your main go-to: i.e. hiding away behind the 'Ignore' button is about "yourself" and your thin skin not allowing you to take part in the give and take of crazy funny outrageous places like this.
I for one hope you don't run away. But . . . .

Well, I'm sorry you think that way as I would rather have the board safe for thinned skinned people than keep it the hunting ground of bullies.

By the way, don't confuse thinking about with a final determination. Also, I post a great deal on the Gay Thailand board with utterly no problems. That is the board I would post my trip reports on.

Of course, you have a right to your opinions of me. Frankly, I don't give a damn. But, contending that I display an "overly patrician-like demeanor" on a board that contains the Freak is so absurd as to qualify for the white coats. You must be joking.

I did, in fact, give some thought to not using the Ignore button ( Actually it seems to me that "yourself" is your main go-to: i.e. hiding away behind the 'Ignore' button is about "yourself" and your thin skin not allowing you to take part in the give and take of crazy funny outrageous places like this.) but I decided to use it to avoid being drawn into stupidities. I began posting on the board to exchange information, discuss Thailand and it's culture with adults. Not to abide in an adult day care.

In short be as outrageous as you like I have never posted in disagreement. I have reached my current state based purely on childish, trolling attacks

[francois]

paborn, don't give into the a-holes who rule this forum for their own amusement.

[Brad the Impala]

paborn, don't give into the a-holes who rule this forum for their own amusement.

You mean some posters "enjoy" this forum?! That's shocking and there should surely be a rule against it.

[Brad the Impala]

The cancer eating its way through the board here isn't going away. During and after your Thailand trip you'll probably want to post about your experiences, to enjoy it again through chat. You won't be able to do that here without the venom that accompanies most of the posts of everyone knows who. Sadly.

Your actions as Moderator were carcinogenic in nature and inflammatory in effect. Having fanned the flames you still keep putting fuel on the fire, and blame others when it gets too hot.

[arsenal]

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