How you arrange visa for boy to come to Europe

[AsDaRa]

I wonder how those of you who have had a boy over in their Western European country arranged the visa. I tried to get a moneyboy once to the Netherlands but it could only be done if I would by financially guarentee for him. That is too much a risk for me. If he for example runs away, all costs made to find him and deport him would be billed to me. (Of course the chances for that are low, but still if it is only 1 in a 100 boys who would do such a thing, to become an illegal immigrant here, then I have a 1% risk to become financially broke, too high for me).

So I so wonder how all these Farang arrange the visa. Thais normally only get it if they can proof they have a job and a constant income stream (this is not the case for most boys we meet I am sure) or if they can proof they are in a university.

I have given up getting a boy to the Netherlands. So I take them to countries where they do not need a visa: Singapore, Japan, Russia, Cambodia.

So how you got them a European visa without too much financial risk for yourself?

[goji]

How many of them are going to be dumb enough to run away ?
They are not going to get a "proper" job without the appropriate paperwork & if they start renting themselves out on the phone apps, I think you could track them down fast enough.

Even most of the lads in Thailand from Laos & Cambodia keep it legal by doing border runs and getting their passports stamped.


I knew someone who had a Thai lad over in the UK to study English & he somehow swung this without going to any expensive University. And I thought the Shengen zone was an easier touch.

[cdnmatt]

Can't speak for Western Europe, but I would imagine it's close to Canada. Two big hurdles:

1.) He needs to prove financial means to support himself. Not sure about Europe, but for Canada, this means money in his bank account. Having a sponsor who promises to take care of you helps, but isn't enough. The government needs to know even if things don't go as planned, he can still financially support himself if he ends up alone. Thankfully this isn't a problem for me as I'd have no problem entrusting Leo with $15k in his bank account, but for others it may be an issue.

2.) You need to make the government believe he's going to return to his home country, so he has to show he has a life to return to. Sucking foreigners dicks in the upstairs short-time room of a go-go bar for $50 isn't really much of a reason to return, so you might be screwed there. This is also the main difficulty in getting Leo a visitor VISA. He has no home, car, kids, nothing. He's got about $2000 in his account, and some 40 baht/hour job. Not much of a reason to return.

Sounds like you're just looking to bring them over for a quick vacation, right? So I'm guessing a stufy VISA is out, but that's a good way to get them in, at least in Canada. Probably of no use to you, but might be to others, s:

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Practice entrance exams that mainly test English and math skills, and sound as though they're used by many colleges throughout North America. Leo and myself are looking into that, maybe move to Canmore and he can study at Bow Valley, which would be perfect for us. Beautiful small town in the mountains, and Bow Valley is basically an immigrant college -- teaches advanced English, and the necessary high school courses to get him a Canadian high school diploma, so he can go on to college / university in Canada.

I think you're going to have a rough time getting someone in under a tourist VISA though, but good luck!

[paborn]

Honestly, I don't know the rules for the SCHENGEN area. But, I believe they are more liberal then most. Frankly, I see no reason to assume that European immigration law is , in any way, similar to Canada. There is, simply, no basis for that so don't be mislead.

[frequent]

Honestly, I don't know the rules for the SCHENGEN area. But, I believe they are more liberal then most. Frankly, I see no reason to assume that European immigration law is , in any way, similar to Canada. There is, simply, no basis for that so don't be mislead.Sadly cdnmatt is like most people and assumes that his own country is the norm and everyone else follows suit. There's a post of mine some months back responding to him and pointing out that the gay partnership immigration law of Australia and New Zealand not only predates the Canadian law by years, but also abandons altogether the notion that any partnered immigrant must be married - they must prove the quality of the relationship, not wave a piece of paper around (like Neville Chamberlain)

As for Schengen immigration - I can only remind myself that around 20 years ago almost every other bar boy (so it seemed) had a German "boyfriend", many of whom arranged tourist visas, apparently without much difficulty. Sadly (again anecdotally) many of them returned HIV+. I'd have thought a more useful source of information would be that otherwise home to the whingeing ex-pat - ThaiVisa

[colmx]

As Paborn has posted above the rules for a SCHENGEN visa are as liberal as they come
I see Thai/Laos/Viet/Khmer friends travelling all over Mainland Europe these days and most if them barely know they sponsors belong the original 5-10 day fling... a SCHENGEN is as easy as a farang entering Thailand!
If only they had something similar to SCHENGEN in Ireland, UK or US.... Then you Europeans would know how good you have it!

[paborn]

I was going to mention this but now that Frequent and Colmx have said it I'll add that over many years every German or Dutchman I met in Thailand was bringing home his boy. I have noi idea how but it is not unusual - anecdotal but often seen.

[AsDaRa]

I think you're going to have a rough time getting someone in under a tourist VISA though, but good luck!

Thank you. I think so too it is not easy. I intended it indeed for a short vacation. But I see sometimes farang with their boy in Europe and I always wonder how they arranged the visa.

So they fake that he is going to study and get a study visa for him, but the boy never really does that study?

[AsDaRa]

As Paborn has posted above the rules for a SCHENGEN visa are as liberal as they come
I see Thai/Laos/Viet/Khmer friends travelling all over Mainland Europe these days and most if them barely know they sponsors belong the original 5-10 day fling... a SCHENGEN is as easy as a farang entering Thailand!
If only they had something similar to SCHENGEN in Ireland, UK or US.... Then you Europeans would know how good you have it!


It is not easy. I looked into it. Read my first post for all the conditions, conditions most moneyboys don't fullfill. These farang must have found a loophole. I wish I knew that hole.

[cdnmatt]

Thank you. I think so too it is not easy. I intended it indeed for a short vacation. But I see sometimes farang with their boy in Europe and I always wonder how they arranged the visa.

So they fake that he is going to study and get a study visa for him, but the boy never really does that study?


No, that's impossible,at least in Canada. There is no faking it. You first have to be accepted via entrance exams, which at least here test for English and Math. If you get accepted, then tuition payment is needed in full. Once accepted and tuition is paid, then you get a latter from the government accredited school that you can use for a VISA.

From the sounds of things though, don't listen to me at all. I'm going off Canada law, and obviously from the responses, EU law is totally different and much more liberal. May want to contact an immigration lawyer in your home country, and get a quick consultation.

I don't know about Europe, but I do know full well in Canada it's nowhere near as easy as saying, "I like him, and he can stay with me", and then he gets a VISA. Just simply not how it works.

[frequent]

No, that's impossible,at least in Canada.Hmmm. I must be reading the information on this site wrong. It says I can go to Canada to learn English https://www.preparationcoursesportal.com/articles/1982/how-to-get-a-short-term-language-learner-visa-for-canada.html

[cdnmatt]

Yes, first you have to be accepted via entrance exam. Then you have to pay tuition up front. At that time, the school will provide you a letter with their DIL that you can use to get you a study VISA for Canada.

Trust me, I've looked into it

[frequent]

Yes, first you have to be accepted via entrance exam. Then you have to pay tuition up front. At that time, the school will provide you a letter with their DIL that you can use to get you a study VISA for Canada.

Trust me, I've looked into itEvidently not well enough. Study up to 6 months requires a Visitor Visa, which does not require an English test - that's exactly the sort of visa the OP is looking at

[goji]

Has Canada become part of Europe ? Didn't think so.

Getting back to Europe. One thing I do notice is there are more male Thai masseurs around in Germany than the UK. Quite a few seem to have split up from boyfriends.

[AsDaRa]

Has Canada become part of Europe ? Didn't think so.

Getting back to Europe. One thing I do notice is there are more male Thai masseurs around in Germany than the UK. Quite a few seem to have split up from boyfriends.

But how their boyfriend got the visa? What loophole is there?

[cdnmatt]

Go search Google, as you'll get better info there.

My guess is they don't just hand out EU VISAs like candy, as some in this thread have implied. I would imagine it will be difficult to get him in, but let us know how it goes.

I can only speak about Canada immigration law, and everyone here simply states "Europe is more liberal, don't compare it to Canada!", but don't bother providing and specifics, or in other words, probably don't know what they're talking about.

Let us know how it goes though.

[paborn]

Ah, excuse me. Everyone has clearly stated that they arenot lawyers, can't advise and only have anecdotal evidence. How clever of you to conclude that we don't know. Tell you one thing I do know, you don't "google" the law you pay for an hour of an immigration attorney's time at home and ask reasoned and probing questions. Then you can make some informed decisions.

[colmx]

My guess is they don't just hand out EU VISAs like candy, as some in this thread have implied. I would imagine it will be difficult to get him in, but let us know how it goes.
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They do!
You rock up to the German, Dutch or Spanish Embassy with your 1 day old passport and 5 day LT Farang sponsor in tow
Fill out the form, hand over 3000B and a few pics, farang co-signs guarantee as "sponsor" and 2 days later you have the visa
On arrival to pick up the visa you must have confirmed and paid flights

Its easier than us Europeans going to Vietnam or America!

Of course the risk is all on the farang sponsor who signs the guarantee, but it seems the OP is a little too risk adverse to taking a chance on having a live in guy for sex on demand for 1-2 months :-)

[goji]

Comlx stepped up to the plate & explained it, so well done.
I suggest anyone in the Shengen zone cracks on & gets it done, before all the hardline religious scum Mrs Merkel insists on letting in result in the mother of all voter backlashes and the end of Shengen.

Incidentally, some of us can now visit Vietnam just by turning up and presenting a passport.

[frequent]

Incidentally, some of us can now visit Vietnam just by turning up and presenting a passport.It's always helped to be a Caucasian; we naturally assume that the world is our oyster and oddly enough the world seems to play ball with that assumption. I always find it amusing to come across the ex-pat in Thailand (and there are many) who are rabid pro-Trump "great big beautiful wall" or anti-Merkel yet forever moan about the restrictive practices Thai Immigration take towards them. They're white men after all. How dare they!

[paborn]

Frequent, keep talking like this and I'm in danger of growing fond of you.

[frequent]

Frequent, keep talking like this and I'm in danger of growing fond of you.Talking dirty you mean?

[justaguy]

As Paborn has posted above the rules for a SCHENGEN visa are as liberal as they come
I see Thai/Laos/Viet/Khmer friends travelling all over Mainland Europe these days and most if them barely know they sponsors belong the original 5-10 day fling... a SCHENGEN is as easy as a farang entering Thailand!
If only they had something similar to SCHENGEN in Ireland, UK or US.... Then you Europeans would know how good you have it!

Of course obtaining a Schengen visa isn't as easy as a foreigner obtaining a free visa exempt stamp in Thailand. Not by a long shot actually. I have obtained schengen visas for two Lao guys (my boyfriend x6, his brother x1) and one Thai lady (4x) and whilst it isn't all that difficult, it is still much more difficult than getting a visa exempt stamp (which basically only requires you to show up at the border with a passport) or obtaining a Thai tourist visa, which is as easy as filling in the form, attaching a passport photo and pay 1000 baht.

Going the sponsor route is most definitely the easiest way to obtain such a visa for a Thai/Lao citizen, as the burden of proof of income does not lie with the applicant but with the sponsor.

If you are afraid to go this route due to concerns about the guy doing a runner, maybe you should not even bother in the first place.

If you decide to go the non sponsorship route, Good luck, he needs to provide proof of funds and each Schengen country can and sometimes does apply their own rules, for the Netherlands, it is currently 34 euro per day, so for a 90 day trip for instance, this means 3060 euro. I see a much bigger risk in sending your guy this kind of money, It is pretty save to say he will probably never make it into any Schengen country, at least not to visit you.


There are a few more things the applicant needs to provide proof for, like letter of employer in case of a job, but the biggest hurdle will be the financial requirements. And making the appearance the applicant is actually going to leave Schengen after the 90 days is up. As such there isn't all that much difference between Schengen and Canada :)

[justaguy]

They do!
You rock up to the German, Dutch or Spanish Embassy with your 1 day old passport and 5 day LT Farang sponsor in tow
Fill out the form, hand over 3000B and a few pics, farang co-signs guarantee as "sponsor" and 2 days later you have the visa
On arrival to pick up the visa you must have confirmed and paid flights

Its easier than us Europeans going to Vietnam or America!

Of course the risk is all on the farang sponsor who signs the guarantee, but it seems the OP is a little too risk adverse to taking a chance on having a live in guy for sex on demand for 1-2 months :-)

Your info is hopelessly outdated. Quite a few Schengen countries now use VFS Global, so no applicant is going to ever set foot in any of those embassies you mentioned. They all need to go to the Trendy building on Sukhumvit soi 13. And that farang in tow isn't even allowed into the area where the applicant needs to apply for the visa.

And at least for the Netherlands, it is not as easy to just sign some form as "sponsor". In fact, such a form has to be obtained IN THE NETHERLANDS, prior to application, legalized by the municipality with the intended applicant name on that form. This form has to be completed and paid for by the sponsor, who of course has to show identification prior to legalization. So getting a boy out of a bar and then applying as sponsor on the very same trip isn't even possible. And this procedure was in place back in 2006 when my boyfriend first applied for a Schengen visa, and was still in place a few months ago when I helped a Thai lady apply for a schengen visa.


Incidentially, no-one is picking up their passports anymore either, for the Netherlands, they are send to the Dutch embassy in KL and mailed back to the applicant to their home address, and this process can take anywhere from one to two weeks, depending on luck.


It is most definitely not easier to get a Schengen visa for a Thai, then it is for me to obtain a visa to Vietnam. It beats me how any sane person can claim that, unless they have no clue about the proces, which shines right through in your post !

[AsDaRa]

They do!
You rock up to the German, Dutch or Spanish Embassy with your 1 day old passport and 5 day LT Farang sponsor in tow
Fill out the form, hand over 3000B and a few pics, farang co-signs guarantee as "sponsor" and 2 days later you have the visa
On arrival to pick up the visa you must have confirmed and paid flights

Its easier than us Europeans going to Vietnam or America!

Of course the risk is all on the farang sponsor who signs the guarantee, but it seems the OP is a little too risk adverse to taking a chance on having a live in guy for sex on demand for 1-2 months :-)


Yes when you are guarentee it is easy. But that means all costs he makes will be billed to you. If he crosses the street, doesn't pay attention and a car crashes you have to pay (your insurance only covers you, not your friend). If he decides to stay in Europe illegally and run away all government effort to find him will be billed to you. And there are so many things that can happen.

So it is quite a risk to be guarentee. Yes with guarentee it is easy indeed.

I think most farang sponsors aren't aware of these risks. One bad thing not under your control, and they could have a big financial debt because of them being guarentee. So is it a fair world where dumb people who don't think about the risk get the boy back home, and people who think and decide - knowing about the risks - to not do it, do not end up with a boy at home? Is this fair that dumb people have a happier life this way? They don't realize the risk and enjoy their boy back home and of course in 90% of cases all goes fine. But 10% is not a low risk, so the smarter person ends up without a boy. Life is unfair.

[justaguy]

Oh my !


One would have thought if the boy gets involved in a car crash as a pedestrian, the mandatory travel insurance would cover it no questions asked. The risks you state are so remote (especially if one actually knows the applicant, and I would surely hope that to be the case... ) that they aren't even worth mentioning.


It is also good to know that cost incurred that might not be covered by the insurance is up to 10.000 euro per year maximum, The person that ends up without a boy because he thinks the risks you mention are too big, isn't really a smart person, and in more than one ways apparently...

[AsDaRa]

Tell me more of that 10.000 EUR max. If something happens then I need to pay max 10.000 EUR? Or I need to pay max 10.000 EUR each year thereafter?

[justaguy]

per calendar year for a maximum of 5 years. most people just leave in 90 days like they are supposed too !